the building is big. >> i realize that and you have already said to me that there will be issues and that sometimes you will have the lawyers saying that, oh, well, whatever. >> and i mean, that i should not have said it, correct. >> it is the guys talking but, of course, i don't know if they are a lawyer or not, and i don't know, and i am an immigrant, and i have it ten years ago and i don't know it, and someone says that they are a lawyer, you know... >> okay, but you are... >> yeah, the point is now that you are bound. >> the other, and the reason why i am getting this permit is so that these guys can do their comedy thing and i really, i mean, i really don't need it. per se. like, they even told me, and i thought that they were going over to the doc (inaudible) and i thought that after, and dock richards was getting renovated and they are still there and i, and that is part came up. >> and you are the owner, of this venue. >> yes. >> and do you have allowed this third party to come in and use

the venue and there is a relationship with them that is positive and beneficial for you. >> not really. >> and if it is not, then you should decide. as a businessman, how you want to handle that and so what you decided today is to use our time, and our energy to give you a permit. and so all that we are saying to all of these questions that we are going to ask, is saying that can you comply with the permit? if you don't believe that you need the permit, you should be here. >> i do, and i and a good neighbor policy, and i thought that this is all part of it. >> it is and i was just trying to reiterate that so that you know that you can apply. and you are here at the beginning of our meeting when the inspectors talked about the businesses that were not in compliance. >> right. >> and so i think that we don't want you to be one of those and don't want to put the fines on you and the police coming out every weekend and so these are just initiatives for you to run a good business. >> i am sorry, i thought that i was confused there because i thought that you were getting this just because of the...

>> right. so. don't worry about that. worry about what is in the policy and making sure that you meet that. >> no problem. >> and i am going to bring the police just to talk about any concerns that they might have and then we will talk about it as a commission. >> thank you. >> >> hello, commissioners, central station is recommending approval, and i believe that the good neighbor policy covers most of the issues that we will have and the big ones have already been talked about in the sidewalk, and you know, the block, as well as in the streets as far as the closing time when the cars come up. and but, i think that the good neighbor policy will, fully take care of that. as far as the proposed conditions, as he has a security system we are asking that he maintain that system. and keep the footage for 30 days, and then, also, i would like to have it and notify the

central station of any special events and if there is a saint patrick's day party or a halloween party to let us know anything out of the ordinary. >> and the big thing for us, and i have had to respond to two complaints that have come in via e-mail and also, that are doing in the nighttime inspection as far as the good neighbor, policy and i just want to show you, at least the layout, and in case, that not everyone has been there. >> this is kells and i think that the main issue and it is not so much the front door and it is the said alley way and so on the side alley way, it took, the window theres and so the noise and it gets hot in there

and i am happy to hear that he is looking into getting the air-conditioning because i think that will make all of the difference and i mean that i understand if it is hot and you want to open up the windows it is just that we have to be aware of this because when he opens up the windows i have another photo of what that noise comes right out and it just bounces out across the walls and i have had the times where i have gone around the block saying what is that? and it is very loud. and it was not loud right in front of kell's and it is weird the way that the sound travels up, and then it goes over to columbus and as we were getting the complaints and so i am happy to hear, that he is looking at doing the air-conditioning, and i think that it will make all of the difference. what i don't want is a permit to be granted and out of the gate get a complaint and i would ra rather be able to problem solve these issue and get the permit and get the air condition in and sound proof this window here with something and something that is going to take and absorb the sound or get the air-conditioning so that we don't need to do it and

those are the really big issues and i think that if we get that, i think that we will not have any problems at all. we are not talking about the sidewalk or having the phone number and i think that if this thing can be taken care of, and before we get to the complaints, and i think that we will be in much more ahead of the game. any questions? >> no. >> let's open this up to public comment, is there any public on the application? i don't see any, and public comment is closed and commissioners, happy to entertain a motion. >> i move to approve. >> okay. >> i second and i would like to

have the staff just to take a reading in that ally, so ha he has a reference point so we don't have the future complaints. >> is that reasonable? >> we can add a sound assist to an llp that is not something that we do usually and i just want to reiterate that this permit is until ten p.m., and much of the issue is the people noise and it is and the noise related to, you know, not what we define as entertainment and so while we are happy to work with the police together, now, because of this permit and bringing someone into compliance, and this is a very, you know, sort of difficult one in some sense, because after ten, it is, in some ways, no longer becomes our issue. and if that makes any sense. >> of course, the sound at

night and the nighttime businesses are our issue and so we will in partnership, with the officer, >> after ten it is on the good honor system, basically and at least, you will have a reference point, if you are not realized what is happening. >> could i clarify with all of the police conditions. >> i don't believe that there are any. >> the police conditions were offered, orally. >> yeah, moments ago. >> and for the footage for the 30 days and the special events, yeah, those are included. >> and they are conditioning something, that.

>> we cannot put on this. >> and the condition that... >> okay. >> good to hear. >> all right. >> so on the motion to approve this permit with the conditions, of the good neighbor policy. >> actually, we have another commissioner comment? >> commissioner frost? >> useful discussion. goes around the permit that we want to issue and the issue that he has had is separate from here with the music that is he playing. so, there is one thing that it says here, that it is the comedy as well as singing and is that just a singing comic or what? >> okay. so yeah, this is kind of going. and so that is just kind of goes back to my, where we are still just dealing with his limited live performance permit. >> right. >> and he is just playing an ipod after that point, and it is not within our jurisdiction.

>> cool thank you. >> is everyone ready for a vote? >> on the motion to approve the permit with a good neighbor policy and the conditions that include, maintain the security system and the footage for 30 days and notify the central station of any out of the ordinary events and to do a sound test in the alley. >> okay, on that motion, commissioner frost? >> aye. >> lee. >> aye. >> moshoyannis. >> aye. >> hyde. >> aye. >> perez. >> aye. >> president tan. >> aye >> that motion passes and we have two more permits with us today. the next one is the avenue, or the ave. >> all right. so this next one, i am very excited about and there is actually two kind of we will do one at a time. the first one is lucia doing business as the ave at 1607 ocean avenue and applying for a limited live performance permit. and this is part of the ocean

avenue, cbd program, and i believe that kneel ballard is here from the ocean avenue and they are trying to activate the avenue and bring in the entertainment and get several different location to do like a weekly or a bi weekly or a monthly event. >> and so, any way, the first one is the ave and this is a bar like i said it is 1607 ocean, and here is lucia? >> hello. >> hi, my name is lucia and my husband, umani and we both run the bar and thes a small neighborhood bar, located in ocean avenue. president tan and please allow for me to speak. >> it has been around for eight years and the street life committee and the ocean avenue, is looking to bring the entertainment to the

neighborhood and the neighborhood has been forgotten and so we are trying to revive it and give it the flavor, and so any questions, and i am open to answer and i think that i would be happy to hear anything else that you have to say. >> great, commissioner hyde, have you something to say? >> i am just really excited and i live in the neighborhood and i have often said that why are they not pulling these kids from the city college right down the street and stay into these businesses, through the limited live. and so i am glad to see something like this happening in the area. >> great, thank you. >> and commissioner perez. >> thanks for come ng and i also live near ocean avenue and we are excited to see that there is this movement to have the entertainment in that area. and i was just wondering what type of music that you plan to do?

>> well, you know, being born and raised in san francisco, that the music that the people produce and can do and it is huge. and so, one of the things that i feel that the ocean avenue association wants to push is jazz and they want to do that and we also got approached for the karaoke which is not music, but it is. but we just want to give the students things to do. and i mean, that it is really important, and it is like i said, it has been forgotten and overlooked for so many years. >> have you done any community out reach? >> sure. and we have to support of the street life community and the engleside life and the ocean avenue and the idea of putting this together and so they speak for, you know, those organizations, and we reached out to the (inaudible) and they are extremely happy and the abc is just granting us the 2 a.m. and the business is doing great and they are striving and trying to keep pushing for ward.

>> thank you, we look forward to checking out your place. >> thank you. >> any other questions? >> commissioner lee? >> in the police cab reports there has been like petty theft, and can you explain the outside lighting of your place, is it dark? >> yeah, but we have a street light right there and we have a motion detector light and then we have a sign that lights up too. san francisco and like i said, we have been open for eight years and we have not had any police complaints and this is a rule that you tell someone to be quiet if they get out of control and you advise them that you are going to call the police and then, the next thing that you do is you call the police it is very simple and clear. >> it is not a lot of activity on that street. but there is a lot of lighting, but, you know, a lot of the businesses are closed, you know, they close at 6, 7 and they are coffee shops and that is it, and you know, we have restaurants that stay open until nine but it is not a lively neighborhood and it is not a lot and it is ocean

street and so there is no sunlight, and i mean that on one side of the street for three hours a day and it is gone and here comes the fall. >> and do you think that a little extra lighting might, you know, keep the people away, you know? or if you have plenty of lighting. >> i think that we have plenty of lighting and i really do, for what is there, i mean that i can't put this, or make them open up. >> not the lights. >> from where i am, and you could definitely see that i just opened up the window and so you can see through it and i think that we are doing great. >> okay. >> the christmas lights. >> okay. >> all right. commissioner hyde? >> yeah, if i could speak to that. and i think that truly the only reason that you would have issues on that street is because there is one person and they are a target and i think that by opening the street up to more business and more foot traffic, that that will only be helpful. and just because i lived there i noticed that if i should have to walk down that street and there is literally like, no one, and it is going to be nice to have the foot traffic and

that will actually help and help the petty issues that are happening there. >> thank you. >> all right. any other comments from commissioners? if not, you can have a seat. >> thank you, thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> is there any police comments on this? >> or concerns? >> i don't see any in it. >> no. >> president tan. >> i apologize. >> vice president hyde and commissioners and lieutenant from the san francisco police department, just quickly because the issue of lighting was brought up and i want to speak because there is an opportunity to kind of share some other avenues of enforcement. and although, bars are not mandated at specifically under the abc act for lighting, the act does speak to all of the license premises have to have the front of their premises, easily discernible. and their activity, and so, if lighting becomes an issue down the road, and i am sure that they can work with the licensee

but as many of you may recall or know already, off sale, premises like the liquor stores they are required to have the exterior lighting but either way we have the issue to fall back on if it is an issue for the committee. >> thank you. >> and is there any public comment on the ave? >> all right, i don't see any. >> no? >> yes? >> anyone? >> going, go, gone. >> no one? >> do you want to? >> neil ballard. >> good evening, commissioners i am neil and i work for the ocean avenue, association and the benefit district of ocean avenue and we can put the second sunday's program and the ave and actually java who is going to come up next, they are one of our top, picks for a place that we could have the entertainment at for second sundays is going to be the second sunday of every month and we are going to have the entertainment from four to nine.

and you know, the ave is one of the only places right now on ocean that has the street lights and it is one of only two bars at night, that is. and so, i completely, and work and you giving them a permit and i would like to see, you know, i am going to get, more hopefully permits for your review, and i am working on the other bar on ocean and if you have any questions of the community out reach aspect of this or as of the lifters coming up, you can let me know, that is it, coming up. thank you. >> any other public comment? >> public comment is closed. >> matter is now with the commission. commissioners? any motion? >> i move to approve. >> all right. >> second. >> second. >> there is a second. >> on that motion, same house same call? >> all right. >> that means that the motion passes, congratulations we are going to move on to the last

permit of the night. fog lifter cafe this is the ocean avenue, second sunday locations and just like the ave, they would like to have a limited live performance permit, and they probably would use theirs a little bit differently as they are a cafe and not a bar, but, here to talk more about that, is jawad, swirky. >> could you speak in the mic. >> hi, i am the owner of thing for lifter cafe and i am applying for a permit just for music, that it would be like acoustic guitar and we will have the lighting on site and we will have the lights and the (inaudible) is low and the cleaning and i just have a park outside and so it just looks nice. and so, we are looking forward

to approve. >> great. any questions for mr. swirky? >> no, this sounds pretty easy. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> any police comments on this? >> you don't have to, okay. >> thank you. >> is there any public comment? >> we have one. >> good evening, commissioners, my name is castolano and i am working on two projects on the 1900 block and his cafe is a nice meeting place and it is like the cheers of the neighborhood and we are hoping to fill seven vacancis on that block and i think that they have got the great vision to add a stimulus, you know, they have two, limited lives going and maybe two more going, and you are going to have a little connectivity over there and hopefully, you know, they fill those vacancies and all of those businesses get to know each other and you got a vibe and you has not had a vibe in a

long time and the other businesses that were there and like the aquarium and the hobby shop and those things closed and so there is an opportunity, now to create something, special there. and so, i applaud these guys and i applaud the cbd for trying to get everybody together and create something, special. >> thank you. is there any other public comment? >> seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioners, i move to approve this one. >> all right. >> is there a motion. >> is there a second. >> second. >> and a second. >> all right, on the motion to approve with the good neighbor policy, same house same call? >> yes. >> yes. ma'am. >> all right. congratulations and that means that that passes. item number 6 on the agenda is commissioner comments and questions. >> commissioners anything that would you like to say before we head out? >> why don't we do,

moshoyannis, and then hyde. >> just for the staff, is there any update on the report from the office of economic anan sis on the outdoor events. >> i don't know, i think that they are on the way for supervisor campos went out of town, and maybe in his... >> are we waiting for some kind of information from his office. >> no, i think that the draft, on the controller's desk and it was, in part done as a request of his office. and so i think that protocol is... >> okay >> just sure. >> and just away for a fit. >> okay, great. >> thank you. >> commissioner hyde? >> and then commissioner perez. >> yeah, i just wanted to say that a wonderful transactvist leslie fine berg passed away this week and i want to remember her and she was instrumental in influencing me to open my mouth.

so i just wanted to remember her tonight. >> great. >> commissioner perez e >> i was not here at the last meeting and so i just want to officially welcome commissioner dimitri and i look forward to working with you and so i am glad to have you here and i have a question for the staff, what is the eta on our annual report? >> we are still waiting for a few documents from you, and then we will be getting started on it. >> all right, great. >> all right, commissioner frost? >> just want to commend the staff and especially josyln, for yesterday's training and i attended and, i learned some things, and it was pretty good and i just wish that it was better attended or the individuals, but i think that it is a good thing that you guys had it taped and so now the people can click on it and then i do want to wish, her a happy birthday. >> happy birthday.

>> yeah. >> again. >> every year. >> all right. >> any other commissioner comments? >> is there any public comment on our commissioner comments? >> all right, we will move on to item 7. new business request for future agendas. and we can do this after the meeting as well. all right, i don't see any. and i think that ends our meeting. >> so, thank you very much and have a good night. the commission meeting is now over.

>> good morning. welcome to the board of supervisors land use commission percentage i'm scott wiener the chairman of the committee to my right is supervisor kim and supervisor cowen will not be joining us today and supervisor kim can i have a motion to excuse without objection supervisor cohen is included our clerk is andrea ashbury and i want to thank sfgovtv for broadcasting today is hearing jessie larson and jonha