until march 10th for community input. you can tell from that earlier slide that it went from an ocean of maps to a near ocean of maps to getting to a point where we wanted to get to a map that was data driven with explanation because i think the final input and i was stress this very much to the public that this map is in pencil. now we have a map that everybody that pretty much works these districts and with all the information put in, there can be an explanation. i think the folks in the district and some commentary in the crowd approval that having both sides of larkin street belong to 1st district is what most communities would like to see. there is one other district and we have to get as close

to a consensus that we can. >> another thing to add is there was a group of sf p.d. personnel that work in the district. so concerns weren't going unnoticed and it was reflected upon during their meetings. it was the access part of the community. that p.d. had to get to their public comments. >> i appreciate that and there is a process and this process allows for that community voice and i also have to allow the community voice which has been ringing on my phone asking why didn't we ask sooner. the answer to that question, the answer is certainly their voice is important and we want to solicit that input now. this is the process, but going forth perhaps we should

consider is there an early on stage which we might have some type of meeting just to hear from folks before hand. maybe that's not your responsibility, maybe that's our responsibility, maybe it's something we have to look at but because of phone calls i have received, i would like to raise it. thank you. commissioner dejesus? >> that was my concern. this process is new to us. and that is we have gone to many community meetings and we have heard exactly that, which is that i belong in one district and nighttime -- i'm in no man's land. we have heard that and it was brought to the table.

i'm glad it's in pencil. >> i want to ensure the community that the process was prescribed by the ordinance, right. so we are now at the piece where to go to the public with a draft to get to a finish point and three months is a long time and we'll have some input. >> that's for getting the stages that are across and we are not familiar with it and the community not familiar and so you go to meetings to get information. >> commissioner hwang? >> i have a couple questions. moving forward what is the next method for hearing, is there e-mail address for

information. how is that going to be packaged and given back to you. >> we are not contracted to do the community engagement piece. we are contracted to help change the maps that the p.d. gets the input on. there is a packet going out to the p.d. to use at the community level. >> right, certainly at the risk of my staff killing me, anybody could send an e-mail to chief greg suhr at sppd.org. i think people need to understand that the questions or comments are important. you won't necessarily get a response back from these e-mails but there will be a packet for these to be heard at community meetings and

considered. everybody's input will be considered. >> my question in conjunction with the commission if we are holding these input sessions are we collecting these ones to give. >> we are taking any and all commentary to try and figure out what works best. i mean absent, we are trying to have common sensical redistricting. the primary driver of this whole thing is to get the police station in the district it belongs in and when the tenderloin station, when tenderloin task force was created, it wasn't a station. then it was formalized as a station and then every other station in san francisco has a minimum of five sectors and tenderloin station only has three. by giving them this

additional run up and down market street will give them more and formalize and make it permanent. now it really does make tenderloin station the tenth formal police station in san francisco. >> if the data is primarily driven off the kad and cable was there something in place to account for the english proficiency communities. where people don't feel comfortable calling the police in these communities. >> we did look at a variety of demographic databases from the transbase to map and look at so they can see where the current lines and proposed lines would fall within special populations, and they were very vat for lower than

average income, youth and senior population, things of that nature were mapped and shown and discussed. either multiple variables along that line around demographics that were included. >> thank you, my final question for the chief and perhaps you already answered in in your last answer. if we do end up with these districts that have some kind of variation that has a call for service would be adjusting for the police personnel by station to account for this? >> right, tenderloin is the great example for that. right now the market belongs to the station and they are at 24 and full staff at 36. so, that personnel would then be assigned to tenderloin. because of union rules and --

seniority, you can't just move them around. the other piece is that each sector car, it takes 12 officers inform staff a sector car seven days a week 24 hours a day. that would be 7 additional officers that aren't any place right now. that would be a bump of 24 officers to tenderloin station. tenderloin station will bump somewhere around 60 officers counting the market foot beat from the market which is very significant for tenderloin. i think what ms. craven would tell you with the exception of southern station going down to about 5 percent and they were in the highest volume station calls for service already. it doesn't impact their service for calls already to

serve police. as the 300 officers coming back, tepid lion -- tenderloin station picks up more than they had before. >> commissioner mall era? >> yes, sitting on a task force for years, i want to tell you this process went through the most difficult part. i welcome community input and what the public has to say, but in the end, there is probably going to be whatever are the needs for each district depending on what the department experiences. so i'm looking forward to the input by the public to see some of what their concerns or needs are, but, again, in the end is where we are really going to have to balance that with the needs of the department.

>> commissioner, dejesus? >> what i'm hearing you are not part of the city department. how are we going to do that. i heard people that said they never went and never heard about it. we are starting january 28th in the tenderloin, how are we going to get this to the district to the people who want to come? >> it will be on the e-mails and website. >> it's not in a lot of our websites. >> i'm open to suggestions. >> there are many groups in the neighborhood that aren't on there. >> we would ask of the captains to aggressively solicit all of their community groups especially in the tenderloin areas with many neighborhood associations what have you. it doesn't appear the tenderloin had a tough time getting the word out about tonight. [ laughter ]

but the reason we picked the four stations that we picked to have the meetings is those are the boundaries that change the most. we wanted the station, the districts to -- that change the most to host the meetings. so there is no doubt about it that they have their time. >> going back too commissioner hwang's suggestion how are we going to get the notices out and are we going to get the notices out to the communities with the language to the communities so they are notified of it? >> we'll make sure that whatever flies we do sent out will go out in spanish or chinese. >> all right, any other questions from commissioners? >> captain, do you have anything you want to add? >> there was a lot of work and effort put in by this office.

[inaudible] >> >> so i was actually as commissioner dejesus well knows, i was partners with captain obamaer for a long time. he's been nothing short of heroic for this whole thing. he will be retiring in 2015. so it will be a big loss but i think he's being modest and passionate and he did a lot of work himself. so i appreciate it.

>> all right. commissioners, if there is no more discussion, i want to describe that this is the beginning of the process. we will be meeting in the districts which are most affected boo the redistricting proposals in the tenderloin january 28th at 6:00. the location is not decided but will be publicized. we'll be meeting in the northern station, february 11th, location to be determined. in the southern section, location to be determined and the bayview section march 4th.

the location is not stated yet. it will be posted through our website posting and publishing in different languages so it gets out so the access community and the greater community itself has access to this information and the commission is able to solicit the comments as commissioner melara points out. the public voice is important and we are open to hearing this. we want to hear from the p be on this proposal. before we move on, chief greg suhr? >> to be able to finish the process we are able to get our work done and reach the point where the commission believes where we have the final product then we would work with dem to get the new boundaries established and the new maps and the like.

dem tells us it will be about 4-6 weeks to get that done so in mid-march, it will be no later than mid-may that the boundaries will take effect. >> thank you, chief. to begin our process of public input, do we have any public comment on our line item no. 4, the presentation of the district station boundaries assessment report. public comment. please step to the podium. >> david elliot louis, commenting strictly for myself as a resident of the tenderloin. i technically live in the northern precinct but i suffer the problem of the precinct. i live in the corner of larkin and valero and there is a

honduran rock cocaine that are there. when gang members had a stay away order from the tenderloin they stayed on the larkin street. i don't know if that worked for them. somehow the dealers persisted. this is dealing right across from a community playground. it's a huge public safety issue. i was hoping that by maybe moving the western boundary of tenderloin out to van mess, that could help solve the problem certainly enforcing both sides of the streets of the tenderloin precinct is a huge help but i'm still going to advocate and hope that commissioners move the boundary to van ness. that will be helpful to

giving the tenderloin the precinct power to deal with persistent drug dealing along with the western border. again, speaking as a private citizen is my concern. >> thank you, mr. louis. any other public comment? >> good evening, mary harris. i understand and i'm just doing this for clarification because there were some people interested but they are watching on tv. they didn't want to come down, that side on mission stay the same on the boundaries? >> particularly, there is a pocket on the northern end of mission, no, they stay the same. >> okay, i wanted to clarify that and just say thank you. some people in the omi have said that they would prefer that we were in the ingleside

and i told them that we have a fixed car that is always in our area. they think because the ingleside station is closer. but we actually do get good service and we as a neighborhood organization that as long as we stay whole as a community, both ocean view, merced and ingleside, that wherever you decide is fine with us. thank you very much. >> thank you, ms. harris. yes, sir? >> hi, my name is michael cameron. i also live in the tenderloin and i'm also pretty much in agreement with the line that. but larkin street, the drug dealers would just move further down between larkin

and polk. i would like to see the boundary lines at least of polk street because that would be different people they are serving. from larkin street from the park, it is extremely dangerous and they are also very crafty. i really appreciate that you guys are willing to accept community input on this because i do understand that, you know, every area has only so many police so the gap can't be too big, but just one more block wouldn't be that go of a difference. and it should would be a help for us in the tenderloin. thank you. >> thank you, mr. cameron. any other public comment? >> hearing no other public comment, this item line item is now closed. mr. second. >> city clerk: line item 5, public comment on all matters

puerto rico r pertaining to item 7 below closed session including public comment whether to hold item 7 in closed session. >> any public comment on whether to consider those items. hearing no public comment, that item is now closed. city clerk: item 6. vote on whether to hold item 7 in closed session. action. >> do i have a motion? >> second. >> all in favor say, "aye". >> aye. >> any opposed? . ladies and gentlemen we are now moving into closed session, we will reconvene in open session as soon as we have covered the items.