exude kirkland at the time sfmta request b pittsburgh up until it in the 50 feet of the subway station an undermine business yard below surface and 5 stories of affordable and middle-income housing the computation of that generated didn't makes sense and the sidney are a great example to combine the two the triangle loop is redundant and it's studied to go to fort mason and it will be a block from the kirkland yard station one other thing i understand that stations are expensive but rather than do a triangle last year loop if there's another station to let people out at bay street it will

interface better with the existing bus system i think if the subway is going to go through i'm the middle child between julie and paul this would be the adaptation of the survey and the duplex e adaptation of that survey and the respect for the historic resources that exist in the area will go a long way towards revolving some of the issues that all of the lower buildings that came in after the earthquake will go away the neighborhood will be up to 65 feet or more and the quality we love about that part of the city that draw people from all over the world will be lost we can do both. >> we can do both the less we

spend open digging the subway the more we'll have for the other muni lines thank you very much. >> thank you. is there any additional public comment okay seeing none, public comment is closed i want to thank all the staff for their presentation i also agree that the project sponsor between 3 organizations is important it remind me of commissioner johnson request for a joint hearing that's something i also wanting to be more involved in transit issues when we consider the transit opportunity we have to think about the land use that is exactly what we did i want to align myself with the job comments it is important, important people to have access to come to fisherman's wharf and go to their jobs but also people living in the northeast to

access other jobs and to bart it is interesting eave heard this on the warriors the northwest connection with chinatown and fisherman's wharf this could be a tourist line for the city so i want to hear what the other commissions have to say. >> commissioner antonini. >> thank you for a excellent presentation 1942 unfortunate that type of study explicit occur along the ago the logical length of this subway should have gone to north beach and reasonable to fisherman's wharf for the reasons people have stated already which i run into people downtown tourist the first one they want to go to say north beach and the second the wafer most hotels are located close to the central subway where it is going to be

located so allow people to assess those areas quickly and is an important thing yes. the up line is a great thing i want to fully it support it's extension but a currently last year type of lines people have to go to the circle and get to fisherman's wharf and the mason this is not competing with the f line that will allow people coming from the ferry building or the financial district but people in the middle of the city will be more likely to use the subway so i don't think it is competition he think the best way to do that is to you know be underground all the way again your competing with everywhere else if you can leave the

streets open for pedestrians and bicyclists and cars for all their uses and less buses in the middle of the street you're better off obviously you'll have to voluntary both but the more you go below grade the better. >> what was brought up in the report and nobody discussed it today waltz the phase 4 this is way in the future what are we're going to do to reach the western part of the city there are phase 4 some sort of subway coming out north beach and going underneath beacon hill and educating the machinery and union street this is important as we make decisions on the station at north beach we don't preclude that option and make it flexible enough to so that it could be

added on in the future that's an area it is greatly underserved my business is there i enjoy the walk to get to north beach but adversities not the easiest thing to do the busses take longer than so i think that that's something we have to consider too i want to really study this go to the sites to find a way to hold onto the project the project sponsor can build it but a way to have the land available to the future station that goes underneath columbus that's a big benefit other sites the triangle block in front of the washington square bar and grill and powell

street and that site is a possibility for future entry of boring machines or entry into the station itself or the asian pacific islander green site when our looking at washington square not a lot of possibility as far as raising money the kicking land yard presents an opportunity we have to analyze the buses extort at kirkland are they use in all part of the city we happen to have a bus yard there if the latter than probably the generated could be duplicate someplace in the city and make it available for sale purposes you could realize a lot of revenue to pay for this whole thing by being able to sell that property development and saving

part of it for the station and the things you need i also think that the suggestion of keeping if the buses have to stay there putting them below grade and also something that could be worked with the owner and have something that is maturing beneficial this is sort of the 09 end of central selma we're talking about a study we're going to be analyzing the approval for the central selma in the next few months this is the other side of the coin this area to the north nobody is a talking about changing north beach or chinatown but i think the area around fisherman's wharf is under utilized lots of low rise buildings you could upgrade that and up zone it

dense, if any, is and get the revenue to complete that thing it would increase the values you should be all in favor we want they know to be worth more not less i like the reports about the there of rifrpd this will provide and the transit times you can look at the finance community as part of it but get some of our revenue from public-private sources urging the land that surround fisherman's wharf area and you are high priority for federal funding a that's on par thing between the serious you can find the money by it's important this be done as expeditiously as possible you have a subway that end in the middle of chinatown

that's as far as you get to get to north beach it's an area that is dormant at night which the subway stations end this is 90 in no way subtracting from the downtown extension yeah, that's a top priority we need the funding roadway to make that a reality but if it explicit mean we can't be exploring it so it's important i've visited a lot of cities in america and throughout the world in the eastern part of the united states and even the western cities are developing subway systems and transit systems that move people quickly to the parts of city we're one of the density one it is interesting we should have had had one hundred years ago. >> thank you commissioner fong. >> this item is one sort of for

me, the fun part of sitting over on the commission to think about the future but to preserve the charm and history of san francisco i think an underground network solves both of those issues in my opinion if san francisco wants to move away from a kerosene restrict city this is important the cities paris and new york and hong kong what separates us as commissioner antonini mentioned this is an underground network i know it's expensive us thinking about 2050 but for san francisco survival that's what we need are that i want to pick up on the fisherman's wharf benefit district by the way, who was voted the best in san francisco

number of employees that work at fisherman's wharf and the all the hotels and restaurants we enjoy a large percentage live in san francisco this is the optimum job creation live and work in the city situation that we created but he speaking the truth about folks not being able to get to the wafer and companies that are willing to provide insurance and retain the employees it is a very serious problem this will help address that i'm in support of this. >> commissioner johnson. >> thank you very much thank you to the staff for all you are work and as a commission moves just because i'm going to ask for a joint hearing with sfmta i really think we need to

marry policy together not to sound nice but it allows us to plan our policies i'll say specifically in a joint hearing font effort what i want to know in the sfmta what will help from the planning department to help move this along we're looking at joint opportunity around the city and looking at different land use and zoning controls that might help a little bit i would love to hear about it hear about what specifically the planning department and the planning commission can do to help and the other thing i'll say the commissioner mentions it is funny we have this over after the warriors item i think it would have been a triple threat if we had it object the same day as well, we could bring the

sfmta and have the meeting i've asked for (laughter) but specifically look at the kirkland yard it's a potential revenue thing to pay for it in general the public sites is looking at affordable housing development and it's a perfect toint opportunity to do that lets look at it i have a question for staff first of all, thank you first my prop and letters get mixed up prop m the ballot measure that passed not to build below embarcadero b i'm sorry did i say m b does that apply to my of the things that go down to kirkland yard and the proposition on the that passes

only applies to port controlled. >> some of them are and some are not it's a mix. >> i'll add the analysis we do didn't include the port properties in here. >> excellent that was my question. >> i also think all underground is the best option for one thing it will help to especially maintain the character of north beach it will be a little bit of an inconvenience i lived in new york city so i think longing long run undergrounding this extension b will help maintain the character of north beach and want to echo a comment to commissioner antonini we should escape our minds open this is not restricted to this area how the subway could 30sh8 be out to

other neighborhood that is a generational question not necessarily for today but keep that option on how we can have you ever had your deposition taken get this to extend itself across our great city thank you. >> can i follow-up commissioner johnson were you looking for a draft response i also have a question what is the continuing reilly role of the planning department either in the 3 processes the ta and the mta process a and the other one or something like that invest accident neighborhood another forum for the agents to get involved knowing we're doing working upcoming. >> in general the answer is we'll be involved not knowing the scope of the coming phases i think i mean it is fair to say

and i want to thank everyone on the teams because it is fair to say we're much more engaged with the transportation issues in understanding the relationship between transportation in the city this was what the transit center plan was on a bigger scale i don't know if anyone has a specific response but i'm happy to - >> josh with the planning staff the planning will be deeply involved in the long term transportation led by the ta and the sf or transportation plan or the regional capacity study and the magnifying real capacity study we've been involved and will continue to have you're working relationship with the agencies and the budget in the upcoming months you'll see that

reflected in both our promoted work program and possibly our budget apps. >> commissioner richards. >> i think looking at this moving forward is a great idea i have questions though north beach is one of the immensity neighbors and chinatown it is one of the harder places to get to fisherman's wharf the f line start in my neighborhood it is a rough you ride i guess one of the questions i have is if we extend this for phase 3 how much of this will be go towards mitigating existing conditions so if we go ahead and do this i expect the north beach area and fisherman's wharf will take in addition growth and not just have this as a mitigation

measure i'm looking at the arcade plan there were issues and if you want to get support in the north beach area adapt the plan i i understand what explicit need to be perceived and good zoning but north beach will 3r0e7b8 need to take the 2 hundred thousand resident in the next 15 reinforces if we did this ms. robertson hit the nail on the head when she showed the data we need to look at some type of survey staff mentioned something in the upcoming budget ms. christensen what do you imagine that to look like we have budget discussions in less than 4 weeks. >> because north beach and fisherman's wharf were sort of baked especially north beach this kind of change is going to

have impact i'm concerned about migrating the gangs we want to have as less of damage as possible but the addition of those hubs are a benefit to the community we've seen building work with the market and van ness site and other projects the new wave urban planning you don't ask community you act open it you don't go through the motions but incorporate that thinking so that major upheaval has a benefit component involved a lot of the planning department involvement has been more about answering funding issues where can we address density no right in order to find the funding i'm interested in the duck tailing and things that surround the

public helm we have plaza not sites for drug dealing and trash but rather a place for community to come together it is an asset rather than a negative i don't want my neighborhood to be destroyed mr. larkin is doing that kind of work in fisherman's wharf planning around conrad square and james weldon johnson street to improve fisherman's wharf from a pedestrian and action point of view i say keep going i want santa clause to bring me this and have it for access and stanley and know it's there to aggregate all the stuff that goes that the station. >> thank you lastly i'd like to acknowledge mr. wong all of this needed to be looked at and the inconvenience and displacement what times to people with the

affordability if the land crisis raising i'm all for that but the construction after work i think ms. christensen about the neighborhood character was addressed i'm for moving forward with some type of study if the money is available. >> commissioner hillis. >> thank you for this i agree that commissioner antonini and the other commissioners the central subway is half done there's something wrong about where it has and not continuing on to connecting it to the density it part of san francisco it is newer growing sdenlser areas of san francisco i agree if we're going to take ourselves seriously and get people out of cars it's the way to do it i

don't know if i've heard people in paris or washington, d.c. or other cities it was a blunder to spend that kind of money but those are home sharers they need to get people around regardless of the getting people around in fisherman's wharf that has to be better connected can i ask specifically about the theatre site you mentioned you know there's kind of funding restrictions where mta could diagonally get that site. >> first of all, i'm going to comment i think i'm smart enough not to touch an electric rod from an engineering prospective having a piece of property

adjacent to where you're going to build a station it's a huge benefit i don't know if chuck is still in the audience they've piloted that most of my background is in trait planning i've leader a lot but whether it's that site or another stuart site yeah. it is great to have it if you don't have it it is more difficult to construct if i could use this opportunity to address commissioner antonini raised regarding kirkland mta has no plans to leave kirkland it's a site we're stressed for space if we did something with the property o project and envision keeping the bus there i agree if we can make it work

underground this is our goal and it provides emergency benefits i can talk to people off-line the buses operate all over the city and have a preference for the northern part of the city but operate all over the city. >> thank you commissioner moore. >> this is an interesting discussion the extension of the t line and the third phase is a kickoff to broaden our transportation system in san francisco i'm happy to sit in on the comments i am supportive of the tuitions of the discussion i want to start with the comprehensive that's it is 2, 3, 4 berlin or any of the cities

like new york that successfully operates older yet also expand lower grade systems i'm looking for a prioritization of areas of where we're also expecting as to whether or not in the end this is the beginning point of an capacity system i'm not here to say that i'm asking for more comprehensive evaluation than just using today's thoughts and just so to speak about one small piece of the citywide system that piece will be high appropriate i want to see a boarder discussion i'm not prepared to the going get into another yearlong fight of what doesn't work i think you'll get support if a large sector of the

population that is what we need given the costs given the fight for funding including the support we need in washington, d.c. i think we need to come up with formulating a big idea but thank you anyway, i think this is a wonderful beginning. >> director ram. >> sorry go ahead. >> thank you. i want to acknowledge those xhiments comments 9 transportation authority is in agreement with you won of the things that come out of this this is highly ranked project will there are a lot of projects in san francisco that's why the next step for this project are to go into that mix of priorities so san francisco update that will be taking place and the mta's efforts will be going on and do what you're asking and

hopefully, we'll have update next year as it progresses. >> i appreciate that we sit here often and looking at plans and completely underserved areas we have very large plans in front of us there are huge transportation needs in underserved areas. >> that's a great segue follow-up on our question earlier what is before us in the next year is an important planning effort with the city's own transportation efforts as well as the regional plan and the city's plan and i think what i find encouraging about the discussions we've been having with the sister agencies there is strong acknowledgement this is not the mta or the sfmta it's ta and public works and the

regional partners all talking about that and prioritizing those projects and in particular looking at the growth areas south of market is a concern and the transportation needs south of market which is a substantially growing area so we are having those discussions and engaged if those i think we should be hearing about those projects as they precede. >> that's great we'll have the joint hearing first hearing the 3 efforts going forward this is a lot of back and forth here thank you to the staff for the presentation and the public. >> commissioners that places you on item 10 arcadia in the european market street transit district. >> good afternoon determining sanchez prior to my presentation

i want to present from supervisor wiener the chance to present. >> good afternoon power from supervisor wiener office this legislation before you is similar to what was before you a few months ago authorized by supervisor breed today is legislation permits arcades in the upper market and ct we're all in agreement the arresting cads are fun and great active he addition to our corridor i'll let diego talk about this and thank you for hearing this special legislation and also the commissioner is in support of this legislation thank you thank you. >>