, we have more data as the three more sophisticated. we anticipate will continue to do so. so, we want to through changing some responsibilities with the lobbyist ordinance the campaign consultant ordinance responsibility summit enforcement staff to the campaign finance staff, were going to increase the level of as i said responsibility and with existing staff will see about getting some training and education to help them move up. when we hire new staff were going to alter the real comments of those positions so the more sophisticated to meet some of the needs that we expect in the future as we try to do more. additionally, we request would fund the bacon investigator position and we are hoping to get to new auditors. we do a certain amount of random audits every year and we [inaudible] public

inuit -- audits are one of the best terms in terms of fighting corruption getting transparency. in an ideal world we'd audit every campaign i don't think we'll ever get there but julie moore would certainly enhance enhance our capabilities. the were we to get funding for all three those positions would also effectively use up all of our workspace. there will be places for anyone else. so, if we achieve that goal in the future, if we want to again [inaudible] grow the staff would have probably have to work with the city to find a new residence for the commission. we went through that once before. it's a project that runs like three years. but certainly something that might be helped in our future. then, finally, were looking to get the money to pay for the migration of form 700s

that are filed with it about. basically, collected officials by minutes of members of boards and commissions all file with us and starting dispatcher was all electronic good once they file those forms are immediately available to the public. there's about 3000, maybe a little more city employees should also file these but they file them on paper with their departments. so, what we ultimately want to do over the next 200 years is transition those people to walk filing of trenton weight with us as well. it's going to be a big undertaking. because all of those all right data will be stored within the file -- is an additional charge for those people in that information. at some point the f ppc is going to standardize electronic filing format for form 700s but have not done so although they plan to do so in the near future. once they do that, that file will then use that format to develop a more searchable format for form 700.

eventually, you can write helpful, by looking for specific people. there'll be other information in their that the search commitment to the process not want to happen right away. so, that's basically where proposal is. staffing has always been our primary concern. so that's the recommendation i make for the commission to cement. >> questions or comments from the commissioners? >> i'm happy that you're pushing for filling of the vacancies. [inaudible] bacon too long.[inaudible] chose to

be put into place different languages that all the other departments put information in spanish, cantonese, chose chinese and suffered of it that been done? to jeff suppan completed it done yet. we're working with the city to do basically major meet the requirements of the 12 hold our hands and walk us through the process. i believe it will be done before the end of the world >> is there any expenditures that you expect that might be >> we don't know because they are trying to make it easier for us. i did anticipate there would be but without knowing what it is, probably at the point we know will ask for an additional amount of money from the board and the mayor. separate from the big budget process to ship would you know that before you put in your submission? if you do need these additional amounts what i'm suggesting is perhaps you might want to make some sort of

estimate and put that in there so this isn't held up >> also get some kind of number out of them but i don't know what it is. based on our conversations, i do think there's owing to be an expense. i hope sounds much as i had originally feared but i don't know that yet. >> you originally told us you thought you would have it in the apartment. you would have it and you would bring [inaudible] that was the last thing that you said after you >> but i don't know the estimate i had for it then was anyone to be near accurate >> which was a zero then. he said we'd have it in the [inaudible]. do you think us changed, >> i think that i had calculated a figure that i thought it would cost. at the time. but, again >> i'm wrong about zero but -- you sure sort of reassurance

you have the money but not things you may not? >> if i can make it work i will bid if not with that to get a supplemental appropriation. i don't think they'll delay it's good i'm hopeful, maybe even positive that the city realizes what we needed that for they would see it helping us to do it. >> they would. all right. i would encourage you to really make that a priority. >> were going to make it happen. >> thank you. >> so, i'm assuming from commissioner kings comment some funds on beasley could be fungible. if i recall i think of there was a past budget that may have had a vacant position salary dedicated that ultimately wasn't being filled but there were funds that were of there will -- not enough to hide a person that may possibly [inaudible]. you want to spend

your funds. i think appropriate ways in which you can do that. so there'll always be a case >> yes. they are fungible. it's not automatic. we can just do it and -- permission from of mayor's budget office and usually from it's like personnel from dhr. and there's a process in place. it hasn't worked for us 100% of the time but most of the time it does. >> two quick things i want to find out. are there any ought occupancy requirements for you as the commission is and the ethics, do you have to be in the city owned the building building? >> i don't think the city would give us the rent to move to a private property when the city space available. >> got it. then i was just thinking probably for own edification, just to see it's a bit of a strategic plan that would come to us in the form of an organizational chart. i think it would be great to see what it would look like, your

proposed work shot chart as it relates to the increase, the requested a little over $300,000 just to see where you're headed in terms of staffing and where you're putting your resources >> okay. i just want point out we i saw the city property we still pay rent. >> oh yes. i figured you guys want to know if you're comparing >> even asked for public comment. >> we did get this e-mail from disturbed bush in which he raises some questions. i just wonder did you look at that and give any consideration for example going through the grand jury report where we might have agreed with their recommendation, but said there were no funds, whether not we ought to include a request for

an may get rejected, the lease which shows were making an attempt >> i've not seen that e-mail. >> you haven't seen the e-mail, >> no. >> i one question about the [inaudible] week did you shop that at all, do we know there were so getting a good deal from that file based on what else is out there in the market? >> there's really only two vendors in the state that do this and the other one wouldn't be able to meet the demands of our capabilities right now. we're are in the first year of a three-year contract renewed contact. the language in the contract will allow renegotiation for this particular function that we want to do. but, as per my perspective right now they're really only the people that can meet our needs. we have to go through a very rigorous process

when we let a new contract to have a sole source contract for us. because the only contact we have and seven different agencies have to sign off on it before we can do it >> i just want us to be cognizant we sent up with that far that we are in anchor tenant. we got a good deal and if we feel where we become beholden to them it could never move, can't you worry about whether our ability to keep this as a reasonable cost [inaudible] potentially, is that i have some concerns about to beholden to any one vendor frankly. >> public comments? thank you. i'm larry bush >> i'm larry bush the unsettled budget issue. i was delighted to hear mr. st. croix thinks form 700 will be searchable because that will make a big difference in terms of being able to see where the conflicts might exist. the

grand jury also i recommended creating electronic database on contracts for the same reason. i would like to recommend that you ask for a budget whether you submit it now or now at least know what it would cost. currently, as i understand the process, if you receive the conduct notification by e-mail and then they are essentially put on the pdf so they're not searchable to go through in the same way you also be true on [inaudible] travel money. it's worth noting, it was an opinion from i believe it was the rimshot law firm that stated that no one may gift an official of more than $440. and right now there's an aggregate

for the entire year. travel money is not excluded from that. yet, we know that we are seeing people who are giving five dollars are more for travel. how much more and for how militants in one of the gifts they give, we don't know. so, it would allow for a better enforcement of those kinds of things. just a straightforward thing. so, gets contracts being searchable. it's making [inaudible] payments and travel money electronic and the f pvc which is really the [inaudible] say they have no problem with us doing that locally. and adding additional stuff. then also we recommended that there be a commissions secretary position created in addition to the executive director. there wasn't money for that. the recommendation was that you could do a part-time commission

secretary to at least follow up. i'll give you an example of the kind of follow up that appears to be missing judging from what happened with mr. grossman and that is, whenever someone files a complaint with the ethics, they are supposed to receive under the charter notification back that the command had been received. then it gets turned over to the pa or city attorney, they are to be notified if it's been returned and it is been returned is the commissioner going to take up and what are the reasons. our investigation showed those notifications are not taking place. i think they're important part of not only transparency but also public confidence in the work of the commission. >> thank you thank you. >> the next item on the agenda -- oh, sorry. is there a motion

to approve the budget request? all in favor say aye. opposed? the motion passes. next item on the agenda is a discussion on possible action regarding a complaint received or initiated by the ethics commission. cost possible close assessment of the comments on item number six is there a -- on-site >> can you identify whether the complaint involves campaign funding or lobbying or conflict of interest this is in general terms what category does the complaint come under?

whistleblowing? >> mr. minardi >> we identified in the agenda so there two complaints and we do identify the code sections that are applicable with respect to those complaints >> if only i knew the code as well as you do. >> campaign governmental conduct code 3.216 receiving a printed gift from a [inaudible] source andand the second one is to >> thank you. >> is a motion to go into closed session?

>> so moved >> second >> on favor say aye. opposed? hearing on the motion passes. will move into closed session. to deal with item number one related to san francisco kaunda codes 3.216. >> resist a quick >> resist [recess] >>