folks are the most problematic are the folks that did know what they're doing and haven't planned or are planning within the 40 day period there's the most problem they'll be the ones at least likely to plan ahead i think you should need something ahead. >> any other thoughts i think we'll hear from the lieutenant from the police department again our authority is with the commissions ability to permit not the police department. >> campaign and others i'm dave from the san francisco police department i want to say this is beyond the scope of what we were working on today what the purpose let me back up

first of all, the police department is coming up a lot we have not spoken yet this is not driven by the police department it is coming from our commission and legislation section 1060 plus states you have this vehicle available if you want to act on that jocelyn was trying to be prudent i thought about identifying the day's not the process i totally get everyone saw 40 days we don't like that number i completely get that you think we've learned about the business every application stands on we can knock out in a week or a day i thought wisp hear to discuss the first displease of this the eight or nine days we identified

as the types of dates we could meet the criteria the next step will be the process that's where clearly we struck a nervous with everyone but just to reiterate jocelyn said we don't get the 40 days i don't recall where that came from it was thrown out there as a possible date i think we all know in the at the end e he said if this is an event this commission and city wants we're going to try i mean one thing about chief suhr i've never known him to hit a threshold it's something the city wants he'll do the best of his ability to get it done i don't want people to think this was a way to stretch things out from my

prospective from the police department you thought today was primarily about are those the dates and is that the dial and why not thanksgiving or commission or whatever kind of discussion but as far as the policies and procedures down the road that's another dialog. >> we're not trying to step on the toes of the police department i think for mow me i saw the dates but the meat we're talking about is the procedure so i think to call the question we could approve the dates and know kind of have our staff come back with a suggestion on procedures i don't think people want to comment or make a motion beyond approving the dates.

>> would that be sufficient to the staff? >> sure again. >> and we don't have to act think it tonight. >> as far as the staff is concerned we'll continue without a problem but i would like some conclude to this some point and if it's for us to outline like a more meaty procedure that you can for the purpose along and is i like this i don't will that fine. >> lieutenant. >> so you're saying 9 or 10 days if you had 20 applications going forward there should be no problems to you know review them and you know yay or nay or this might be a problem a short

period of time. >> i'm referring to primarily commissioner frost's comments been the reoccurring events those we're familiar with. >> the new ones diagonally i like to think those people are engage us like implicating the neighbors or so forth so it is so tricky because of the sis and scope of the event we saw how simple the whole foods thing went it was a some other thing but i think that example as a public event similarly could occur i think maybe this wasn't intended to be a tactic to not approve i don't want to be cynical there's no doubt in my

mind 0 people use this as a tactic to get what they president in the city from that prospective i think that's where the procedure long term could be helpful. >> i'm concerned sometimes nonprofits decide oh, we need to raise a little bit of money like 45 days before halloween and they is well, we better go get a permit they have plenty of time there's going to be a call for that. >> i can tell you commissioner lee that happens all the time we live in this world and anytime a nonprofit wants to do a defined or fund riser or raiser but the revenue stream is the alcohol so they're coming to us for the one day liquor so we certainly don't

want to encourage last minute applications we understand that things happen sometimes with the best of intentions and we have to streamline the process and make it light loaded and avoid a separate i guess that's it. >> that's the spirit we were trying to - >> i don't think anyone is saying you're trying to do that. >> even when i saw the 40 days that is going to land negatively on people and anytime someone sees that state raises concern. >> the questions are one the dates are they right and it also there's a line under the second sentence under the current procedure we're unable to charge more for extra services i think

those are actually, the questions for us to consider do we like the dates can we - our staff charge more for the rated services and can we disapprove a permit being late or lacking the service i think those are the questions we need to figure out as a commission i don't know if there's public comment but if the commissioners wanted to think about a motion to be continued or ask our staff to come back with more information or pick those 3 things apart and approve or disapprove commissioner frost. >> i have a question to the staff what the president said we're unable to charge more for expedited services you said

earlier the only way to charge for permits is cost recovery. >> that's mined i do know that the agencies do have ways to charge more as the date get closer i have to figure out how they have the ability i've asked in the past years about charging more late whatever maybe i called it the wrongs thing we know if this charges more like visibility and requirements for the rec and park permits for outdoor or 60 days in advance so we know there are precedence out there how can i get there so if we have a system like that obviously that motivates we can

approve that the approval on time you're going to go up with or not that's a question i will speak on behalf of allowing us to disapprove of the being late the question of how late is in our hands. >> all right. is that clear to everyone on the commission let's open it up for public comment i don't know if there is any all right. in public comment public comment is closed. >> it commissioner tan you don't have to make a motion it was a discussion. >> we don't. >> only on the agenda not an action agenda no action is required direction is helpful not in the form of a motion. >> thank you for clarifying that. >> commissioner frost. >> couple of things like i said, i like this the 40 days

out i trust your judgment on the anti fees i'll have a problem with adding a fee just because it's a cost recovery we have to send someone out on overtime but i see that that's where my thoughts are. >> i'm also in support of giving you that authority i think predict is upheaval i'm opposed to people it makes people turn things in quicker but as an incentive it helps it would be nice to know maybe if you can look at new year's but when the last application not denied the week before that

will help to determine kind of a minimum control. >> we've never denied an application bans like that it's late i did not think it was something we were allowed to do for lack of a better word i never wanted to do that typically if it's two lastly in our estimation to move the paper we've advise if you submit it there may not be enough time to turn it around so then you can submit or not submit it and so i think you can see where that goes. >> right. >> i think if we set a time you know instead of it's money like a one night permit and suddenly there's no time to do it we've

lost revenue you tell them up days to get it in or whatever date we decide like i said if there's a get for expediting it's only fair they had plenty of time to think about it. >> all right. 0 any other thoughts so we don't have to act on it now if you want us to act on it maybe in the next meeting if you came back with a more specific procedure around it. >> i think the communication so everyone knows there is going to be new recollections or deadlines so maybe this year is two soon to implement that maybe we workout and maybe next year start charging fees i'm not sure 4 or 57 or 67 months is enough

maybe we can think about how this communication to get the message out to those organizations. >> and there may be more information to accommodate kind of research this is a good example of increasing kind of steps the closer you get maybe we'll ask their office how they've managed to do that maybe a percentage it goes up 10 percent every thirty days maybe a formula so spend the next two weeks to get information how to mirror that and way to get more money and dissensitive is vices. >> hopefully with that is enough to work with item 7

commissioner questions or comments general ones. >> i did notice i don't know if it's on the agenda dizzying we lost a commissioner who happened to be the vice president who we need to - >> we do. >> we need to agenda device an election or how does that work. >> we have to find a new advise chair and. >> we could and show agenda device an election we'll hopefully see a new commissioners anywhere from early february to april i mean we i don't know the rules committee decided to agenda device in a few meetings it didn't hurt given the attention

who is absent and not absent have a second person of it's temporary i imagine you have a vote otherwise we'll have an issue if the president is absent. >> let's have it on the agenda for the next meeting and the commissioners who are here you can think about that as as interim other questions or comments. >> commissioner perez. >> question to the staff do you guys thought about when our next retreat takes place i'm going to plan my schedule. >> as far as the retreat that's for new commissioners, i was hopefully to wait middle we get the last new commissioners some of you are new enough to have a

retreat i don't know summertime i mean at the lastly june or july i don't know when a new commissioner will be appointed but sometime after that. >> okay. thank you okay any other comments. >> i actually had a great meeting with the staff to discuss some issues around public health and what we can do from a commission prospective one of the things we discussed trying to work and reach out to the department of public health seeing if they have data their collecting currently to over lap with treatment to permit holders who had been you know the site of picks up for emergency transport and figuring out if there's that data that exists or a way to over lap our permit

holders with that data and then possible see how that data compares relatively to other cities to see how we're doing because we may have you know a problem a bigger problem than with regards to alcohol and other drugs or no problems at all i'd like to see if we can reach out to dpw and collect that data if possible and see what could come out of that some need for a preventive campaign on drugs collaboratively with the dpw in terms of harm are reduction and getting the word out on alcohol and other drugs effectively our places of entertainment we had a good chat if you can find out who we can get the data and report backs

what's available thanks. >> great. >> i don't see any more comments public comment on our comments nope seeing none, public is closed last item is new business requests and future agenda items we all right. have one for the election of vice chair the vice president anything in in addition, we do it outside the meeting two so any public comment on that i don't see any public comment is closed. and this meeting is adjourned have a good night