counter and estimated outside. >> i'm sorry to truth of the matter you but my question simply was did the refuse to show the officer your permit. >> my answer is i did not say no. >> i didn't say no, but did you say yes and show him our permit. >> i was going to walk him he didn't want to walk. >> he thought asked to be seated and when i came back he was gone. >> he's talking about last year. >> i'm talking about recently. >> he's trying to get us over here. >> i have one more question and let you go you have security at our door and you have another security inside. >> one at the door and one is

watching the lines so it didn't people don't break the barricades. >> so they're both outside you have no one inside i have a report from the police. >> the line is inside the restaurant we're watching the line outside but inside the restaurant. >> i'm sorry, i stand corrected so we have cad reports there were saultsdz inside the restaurant do you center any internal incident reports about those assaults inside our restaurant with the police involved. >> i hadn't come across one that the police discussed with me, i'm aware 6. >> any other commissioners i have a question. >> yes. >> so 2010 2011 i paid the

taxes and 2012 you didn't and 2013 what happened. >> i called the business in his place. >> who what. >> we're when business slowed down in 2012, we get the bills now what happened the person signed the contract we get slow and therefore i was not able to pay that. >> so you were not able to my it. >> i cough this year and i did. >> that's all we want to know you can say hey, i'm in the red or - thank you. >> commissioner perez. >> hello regarding our neighborhood outreach can you talk about what you did in reaching out to our neighbors with this permit. >> i have not done quite anything actually but i have

just recalling started to deal with the schools we're trying to get into every single school if we can indicator like today right and the customer and peers coupling come to spend their money swell have 25 percent debt. >> well community outreach didn't mean you give schools free food. >> it's something that i'm trying to prompt as a whole because i see there's a lot of we can do as a person and responsibility. >> can i ask you just this line of questioning is around people that are effected by your rudolph and operating until 5 in the morning do we know that people are going to be coming in and out of your doors not about being a good citizen. >> can i -

>> can i say something. >> if you can come up to the microphone and say your name as well. >> i'm the manager of the business good evening to you alleyway you'll a couple of points i want to make i would like to start with the things he said about the noise and assaults and the refusals paying the fee by the way i joined the business 3 months ago there were pending charges we made by the way i made those payments myself i came to see cammy and i was obviously advised her i should be going to you know people who are consumed with that like the station in

the tenderloin went there and dropped off the copies of the payment and at the in front desk a requested i see officer flores a off that day i dropped the copies and said can you please a pass this message wife paid the fee and everything and here is the proof of the receipts having said that, i came back and because the business is on quite late i'm not there all the time sometime i work in the daytime and some days and night but every weekend on saturday and friday i try to have someone there we're food providers not a club we are sort of you know facility when you are hunger in late

nights and don't see many admin places to go and get food we provide that facility there were in business 2 this is san francisco sometimes on the, you know there might be incident we have tried to start that issue when we applied for the extended hour permit the reason why you know we want to extend that permit until 5 o'clock the number one thing the permit allows us to 2:30 on the weekend some days we have found ours quite stretched you as a customer come to our food and you i'm sorry you're in the middle of your food and now 3:30 there are two things we don't want to break the law we're only

allowed until 3:30 and should we ask our customers to go off the premises and leave their dishes we we were in a situation we were we didn't know what to do i mean i came to cammy and asked to extend it we don't want to you know losing business so this is the main thing why we want a one hour extension with our customers like it comes like 3 o'clock they have their food. >> on a typical friday or saturday how many people are in our establishment at 3:30. >> you median the customers. >> yes. >> one hundred to one hundred and 50 sometimes one hundred and 75. >> so you're at capacity anothers 3:30 in the morning.

>> not one moment i'm not saying that the particular moment but. >> oh, oh the question i'm asking you 3:30 would you have to kick out 2 or 20 or how many. >> 20 to thirty people. >> that's the information what's the demand between 3:30 a.m. and 5:00 a.m. that helps me know how many people really is. >> our business for the night time kicks at 3:30 and people come at will by the time at troukts it's a busy time for as you us on the weekend by troukts we have 40 or 50 people i remember there was an incident i

had to request customers that you know i'm sorry but we are closing down soon i remember i sent almost 15 customers back we didn't take their orders we want obviously we're in the business you know finance and the situations of the business is not as if it was 5 or 7 years ago there are so many expenses and so many things to pay the wages everything is going up the menus maybe the whole day we've worked and those ten or 15 customers are the profit we're taking home so we want a window where we can you know accommodate that you know because of a bunch of customers

and serve them now going towards the second thing which you've been told we refuse to show the permits our permits is on the wall last i mean, i was started from the day i paid and came to see cam new and dropped the copies to the front clerk and requested her can you please something like that this. >> the night before. >> to do that. >> can i ask you a question. >> did you ever look at the permits on the wall don't they have an expiration date. >> no. >> so the tax from the tax collector you're telling me didn't have an expiration date from february to february of a

new year. >> you're talking about the permit. >> the tax permit on the wall does it have an expiration. >> does it have an expiration date and it says the issue data one time permit and allows you to work as long as the fees are paid. >> you get a tax permit from the tax department to the best of your knowledge does it have an expiration date and i on, on january the 13 when i made the payment i was given a receipt and told you'll get that in our mail i've not received as of yet but i have for the initial permits which you might have in

front of you. >> i understand that so when you got our expended hours permit in 2012 they never paid the tax collector and got a tax card; is that correct. >> ; is that correct to the best of your understanding. >> to the best of my understanding it looked like they paid that wince actually, when i think happened now that i'm looking at looking at it again, i don't think they got it on their bill the permits the tax license that shows you when it expires they might not have received one from the tax collector. >> what about your business licenses do you get one every year from the tax collector no? you get you get - a health

permit >> it has to be renewed as a an expiration date. >> i was trying to say yes here according to my understanding i mean the entertainment commission auto can i say something basically, we're trying to establish is your responsibility yes. >> okay. those permits had a date okay they're supposed to be postoperative the wall when an inspector comedian the law enforcement or entertainment commission wants to see your permit it's right there. >> right >> they have an expiration date whether or not entertainment or not they have an expiration date from 2012 because you didn't pay there's something up there that has an expiration date i know it's expired. >> look i think my focus not to go there anywhere what we've done we have provided the fees

and everything we already have explained ms. cammy explained why it happened we all human we have to look at each other everyday errors happy if our end and the department i'm looking forward and told what i've told you're welcome to do what you want to do and i'm not - we've done a good job you've listened well, thank you very much i don't want to play the blame game i think i've spoken it make sense and you guys have spoke up and it makes sense i'm sorry from my end and trying to correct it i have corrected it moving forward i'm trying to do this because i want to build a relationship moving

forward what i've left behind i'm not concerned when i left behind. >> but i'm so sorry for everything. >> so you're saying from this point forward based on our past track record we're going to get you that credit ability to not extend your tax next year you want that burden upon us to make that choice upon what we're heard tonight; is that correct. >> you don't have to answer that, we still have to hear from the police and the public utilities p public comment so i think we have comments as well. >> i actually have one question and it goes into the security issue in reading a little bit here on our application i want to classify your security is basically your manages and counter staff.

>> no. >> that. >> reading it back to you it says and it's old. >> since this application there's a security service not the special patrol police but your oppose. >> we get the security from the gentleman from around the corner and send a professional one by the city. >> all right. thank you. >> commissioner perez. >> i just have one question about the operation obviously right now your crossed other 3:30 on the weekend do you allow people him or her what time do i cut off people to come knowing you have to close at 3:30 to allow people to sit down and eat at 310. >> what time is your last order. >> i'm thinking if you extend to 5 sea allow people to sit

down at 445 to have an operation to make sure that people can sit down. >> i'm not going to lie to you it will maintains to you give the circumstances i was in i was abusing my right but when i was doing trying to keep up with everything else that dpopz when you have a line you want to do a wonderful job it stays under i had a line okay i have a very good line i've spoken for the customers that have been coming in it was something lacking in my part i was doing something wrong i was giving them music and it drove it down for all of us i've taken

that responsibility to answer our question i was trying to max out any business such a as i could i didn't buy a risk when our about to ludicrous. >> what time is it. >> it will cut back him or her. >> 325. >> when i was closed and somebody's is knocking at my door for an order to be picked up i'm going to have to definitely on up the door and give me a number what time. >> at friday we dine at 3 o'clock so saturday innocent a little bit longer than so like the gentleman said 3:30 we had to get people out of there for the past 3 months we've been

very generous they've been generous but i'd like that i made it this far with every single one and i have no more to say. >> what time. >> done by 3:30 that's our focus the whole time. >> i did abuse that we're going to move on to commissioner frost and then i'll try to wrap up the comments from the commission. >> staying on the timeframe on the permit it asked our last meal to be served at 5 but your partner asked i be allowed to keep people in there until 5 what is it you want to serve your last meal at 5:00 a.m. part of the issue was 3:30 were up asking people to leave do you want to serve the last meal at 5 or close the door?

in respect to that we have 5 o'clock permit because at some point they start cleaning up the past we have a labor the same cus crew has to leave by 5 we want to be there that they 5 if someone comes by that 4:30 we want to utilize that space wisely i know it was loss going to serve a person >> do you want me to amend the request you stay on until 5 and serve the last food at 4:15. >> foukdz is awesome thank you very much. >> so this commission is completely supportive when we have good birs before mentioned of late night food we know that people are hunger we say support

all kinds of people and the diners and that kind of thing so it's not a matter of do we have support it or not we want to see responsible before mentioned that pay their tax and work with the police and the inspectors when we ask for permits and not give round about answers that's hard to feel like you're going to run a business responsibly and not questioning the questions we have the power to revoke our permit what reason do we believe you'll comply with the rules stated here just know i feel for you. >> a brrn and want to make a bigger profit and you supply to our customers. >> but have to work with a city

commission and department and work with the police and have to be clear and direct and responsive and i haven't been getting that here this is not to say we're not going to productive that i present our manager much more than you who's been clear about answering the question you don't have to respond i'm going to call on the police and have more time to think about this thank you so far. >> please have a seat. >> thank you hello officer torres. >> i'm officer torres representing the police station let me give you a little bit of clafrtd how this whole thing can about age as a result insides

the nan curry restaurant sometime in november officers made a complaint to me and said the operators at the restaurant refused to show their permits and they were completely uncooperative i connected the tax collectors office and did an investigation as to their permits calls for service and report and so on what i find out was that, in fact they didn't pay their tax licenses for the 3 reinforces and i have the receipt right here this is dated december the 26 and shows tests outstanding for the 3 years and clearly the code reads that he can't operate his extended hours provided without paying his tax licenses

i substantially went out to nan and curry in a few days and spoke to the operator at the restaurant no permits displaced and not able to produce any permits at all and then let's see i called to try to get ahold of the applicant 3 times and he never received any kaldz back from him you have copies of the calls for service at the restaurant just for information there are other restaurant that stay twenty-four hours less than 6050 or cafe mason that's there twenty-four hours and laurie's diner and jackson just a second in the box no place to eat kind of issue there there's none

we shouldn't allow this bits 0 operate until 5:00 a.m. he's not paid his taxes, of course he paid his taxes he knew his taxes were outstanding when he got a temporary certificate to operate new years eve he was well aware at this point he didn't pay the 1700s dollars he's owed september 26th to get that temporary license not until january the 12 did he pay the full amount he came by the station and dropped off a copy of the paid bill so we ask that you disapprove that and that this business if they want to stay on until 5:00 a.m. they

have to show when the police come out for the permits they need to show their business tax license and health license and they have no permits on display just for information this business lost their liquor license for non-payment to the state of california and this happened probability two years ago for non-payment and this is just you know irresponsible operating on their part so - >> any questions. >> thank you commissioners any questions for officer torres? >> sorry you said the initial when the burglary or the assault happened and the report it said the sergeant asked to see the permits and then later a couple of days later and.

>> i went out to the site in the daytime there was nothing displayed i called his cell phone and never a call back from the applicant. >> thank you sure. >> any other questions. >> thank you very much i'm going to open this up to public comment anyone who wants to speak? >> thank you. >> hi i'm michael nolte the executive director for the lions of district 6 they know all the facts until a committee member has to show up for the facts you commissioners get all the facts or at least you see in our report

alliance wanted to request the continuance we felt they haven't done outreach and sure they haven't done outreach 15i789 if you're not going to grant a continuance we're going to then ask you grant to grant the denial because their seems like two many hurdles that are to convince people they're operating in a manner that works. >> and i really you know it's a shame because you know people do put a lot of people into restaurants and restaurant are needed in san francisco and they're right across the street from the hilton a lot of tourist i wanted to say on television i eat there that woke everybody up so i mean i appreciate them being in business and i love

them having a dinner it's important i come with my guests they have to follow the rules it's up to you weighing everything you have to weigh to make a decision if you can grant a continuance that might help them to do outreach the community needs to know and be aware of them with an extension of the permit thank you. >> thank you any other public comment? all right. public comment is closed. >> commissioners this is an interesting one. >> so i think ignorance of the laws or ignorance of the laws and ordinances are no excuse my

father taught me that there's no excuse you run your business you need to know what you need to do to run a business not only ordering food when i had any club the most important thing was the permits including my as an absent permits that's how i had money to operate on the permits and also the lack of outreach to the community any part of the community is is a negative for me as well and the fact that the applicant felt that he did not have to answer any more of our questions and stuff we're a regulatory agency and very friendly to business and the questions we've asked were not out rankle so if