hat's the square footage difference from the first of the original to the final? the square footage >> i believe it is less than 2 thousand square feet. >> of inhabitable spates. >> by you have to consider a lot of the space that was underneath the house we consider that it wasn't yeah. it was part of how did part of the building envelope and essentially what we did was gutted the house and added a series of steel beams and wooden frames and beams the purpose to give the interior of the house to open it up not so much boxy like a environmental impact

torn. >> but they added additional space. >> more than that they legalized the attic and legalized the rooms down with all 35 hundred square feet 7 thousand plus. >> i think you said 33 hundred so with 18 hundred we're looking at 13 hundred square feet increase. >> over 7 thousand square feet i believe. >> so 33 hundred my math a rusty i've of i 0 they've 2k0ub8d their size. >> most of it was within. >> a garage is a garage not considered. >> most of it didn't come from the garage it was coming from the rooms next to the garage they called it and they switch it from storage to you know

mudroom bedrooms office. >> legislature double the size of residential. >> yes. >> thank you any further. good afternoon members of the commission i'm steven williams here to discuss this case i came to a different conclusion it was more than double on the square footage when i was here in december i testified i was contacted by the neighbors and the neighbors thought they'd been deconfessed about the scope of the project as i investigated they were deceived and planning was deceived so let me see if i can quickly go through this i

have an analysis the permits that is helpful for the commission i'd like to submit those the first permit as discussed by mr. sweeney was a over the counter permit we mold the kitchen 6 bathrooms were not remold and the kitchen was gutted under another permit to start the process the next over the counter permit issued in march to concrete anothers habitable space underneath the building and that included all the things you've heard the media room and the half bathblast before that no habitable space there was a garage on the first floor and 2 floor street level had bedrooms and third level and attic inoccupied the third permit that starts the problems and

deception the third permit application was submitted mere weeks after the department issued it's first over the counter predicament and all the unconditioned space on the ground floor from that point forward listed as bltd build out and existing all at planned you have in the department for the issuance of those permits shows the space as fully billed out and existing so the department issues what mr. sweeney referred to as a rooms down permit over the counter and two weeks later those same rooms down are 0 shown as completely constructed space in every set of plans so the plans shown to the neighbors that the 311 and a that he preoperative meeting were false all plans are false none of the space is existing the 311

notification was false here's the section of the plans this is the ground floor here's the garage over here's that was doubled in space to the east each one is dated employed 4 each room is shown as existing built out space this is not the existing built out says that the department issued a permit to blt build this out and deteriorate this space every set of plans is false all the information given to the public is false and the mailings the publications were all false that's how the deception occurred in this case and that's how went from a 33 square feet building to 4 floors of occupancy and 8 thousand square feet it is more than doubled >> wrap up our comments please.

those are my comments it took me look to get the information from the department and the plans that were built and draw up to deceive. >> sir you're going to have to wrap up. >> hundreds and hundreds of pages of plans. >> just trying to - >> commissioner walker please. thank you, mr. williams. >> so i'm not going to harp on this particular project except it utilities multiple prirpz purposes they've intentionally started other out a a project and all of a sudden doubles the spates most people have to go through the procedure of letting the public know what is proposed

when this kind of thing is happening and this process where we allow things to expand significantly from what was oriental applied for and permitted is problematic and at some point i guess what is helpful it will go back and there will be a restart to allow for the public to see what is the scope of the projects that are coming down i think that's the issue here it may well be we did all we need to do to evaluate the work done, etc. but it goes around novelist the people around what was happening here so i do feel like we need to work on the serial permitting issue i'm not sure what it is but some

point it should circle back. >> commissioner mar. >> yeah. i agree with commissioner walker's concern the other concern i have and this has been leveled at the department in the past that this preferential treatment with certain buildings owns and their representatives whether that be expediteers or architects, etc. and to me this is a very large project doubling the size of the residential space. >> the cost itself to meet is mind blowing because that is an indication without the plans in front of us but you know doubling the space and one $.8 million should have been a submittal in my opinion

to planning whole thing should have been a submittal nothing should have gone over the counter so that's how and that's been part of the problem is that when we take in osborn of doing things over the counter we have to make sure we treat everybody that walks in the same and that's one of my overriding concerns what's the technical threshold we have with the scope of work with the covet or whether it's square footage mr. whether within the building envelope this project seems to violate oath a lot of those things and the scoping of work and the building envelope and costs how do we justify that and someone else who's trying to do something boom we tell them to go submit to planning that's my

concerns here. >> deputy go ahead, please. >> commissioner mar anybody that comes before us and stays within the building envelope that's over the counter probably the where it gets technical is the allegations how big an edition and some people want to take them out and try a fifth floor it depends on the quality of the plan and the scope and massing it's not about price. >> well, this is the scope on this is quite long it's outside the envelope you know. >> what's outside the envelope

a little bit less than 2 thousand square feet i believe the fourth floor the attic was habitable they had a bathroom up there we didn't think the businessman was legal and the rooms down no digging out of the soil they did a modest foundation upgrade and based on that there was something down there was it habitable space when they built those are homes in the 19 hundreds and up to the 50s they'd build a large footprint and only half of it was habitable when the families grew back in the day there were larger families you'd have bombards and bedrooms to accommodate the families i believe many houses my mother grew up in fair oaks and my father landline in bartlett so

my family lived in that part of the city those were large homelands for large families it explicit get taken out and a as they did in 1910 or 20 when the permits were prior to 06 we don't know that. >> okay. thank you mr. sweeney i'll weigh in there's not other commissioners here i respectfully disagree with commissioner mar and commissioner walker with no permitting kind of case i've also told you at the commission and behind the skeendz whatever we we came down across this i went to the permits this is a design built and obviously a client changed their mind every 10 minutes and the system allows for the design buildings and this is one of them

and if i was the contractor i would have a lot of concerns is up and down with the permits and trying to get the clients focused on what needs to be done unfortunately, that's not what we do we're not in the policing business to mr. sweeney point of view and someone that's seen this type of thing there's storage and you know basements that can be converted into habitable space and with the extensions you know you can double the space in the homelands really easily not had been able to very habitable and the comment here demonstrated whatever they went outside the envelope they went through the normal channels available to them to the planning to be approved this home is taken a long time

to build the emotions are high and the pacific height are 5 years in the building and their pulling a lot of permits and changing and revamping and redoing things all the time we have to allow the system in place and used correctly i believe the inspectors who were on guard p there was no violation so i wish we had a better example of serial permitting i know this is not front of the of us it is not there for me it's been cross-checked i fundamentally disagree that is is where the system allows the homeowner if they want to rebuild as many times as we want this is what's happening here and if the

contractor so from where i'm sitting that's a bad example to bring in front of us as something wrong done. >> commissioner walker. >> i appreciate over the course of the changing your mind is put the public at the big disadvantage one week you're going and doing the proper thing of saying planning can we use this you go but one way here and it is accumulating a major change of density and utilities if you have you know whatever it was in the beginning up to 7 thousand square feet multiple bedrooms and which would

illustrate may the record show more people you don't have a proper evaluation of the effect on parking and you know i don't you don't have those over all evaluations when someone hands a project to be evaluated in its total i think whether or not this is a perfect examples it's an example of problems that occurs as a result of it and it is the effect of extended disruption in the neighborhood but also what will be a disruption of a higher impact on the community that wasn't evaluated in its entirety so i feel like we have to be aware of this kind thing we have problems when monster homes get introduced into neighborhoods and there's understandable

concerned from people living there that's what this was how we've tried to mitigate that is to have proper processes for novelist the public of the scope of the projects so this is kind of subverting that kind of going around it and giving it a little bit information here and there are and in that sense is a serial situations whether it's a perfect example and everybody agrees this is a pretty extensive increase of that 0 property by dollars amount and square footage and changes to the property and it wasn't done as a complete package so i feel

like this goes around our whole purpose of having a planning department and i think it that will create more and more problems if we don't do something internally to do something different than what happened then here i don't know what it is but there are problems if we do this kind of process addressing on and addressing on and addressing on and addressing on . >> thank you interesting dialog thank you, mr. williams for bringing this to us. >> next item. >> commissioner mar. >> i wanted to ask where it is project at mr. sweeney today director sweeney. >> yeah. i drove by it's almost done their finishing off the

exterior and doing a lot of landscaping i didn't go in. >> i honestly wanted to change something and that's the process. >> you know i just if it's done that i this book and it needs to be done by the book. >> one of the permits is air conditioning in san francisco i thought. >> okay. maybe not. >> thank you deputy sweeney for that going through all those permits. >> thank you >> item 12 discussion on the selma permit and tracking system. >> okay deborah you're on. >> hi, i'm henry the parks manager for the permit tracking system for the department of

building inspection giving you an update on the status of project the slide i've prepared is focused on the u a t that is the process that we're trying to get through to a system that works for the department instead to review the things on the left and right side of the screen ross are configuration through the at&t i wanted to show the presentation of the results in terms of the project team and the preparedness of the system november 2014 we start another round of u a t the prior rounds proven with the number of items that come out of them over 6 hundred u a t we needed to show the system as fit for dbi so as you can see when that when we bled out that round of u a t in

november we started fixing items additional had at the peak over 70 thousand items in scombran that needed to be fixed they've by and large been fixed through january to today to have this permit retested and today, we're down to 23 items to be rectified and retested we're near the end of the fundamental side of the system on the u a t wave our data immigration about the complexities of anything congratulating the data the set of items was one hundred and 16 by the time he got to january those items have been worked on and going through retesting

first gun the it department and then we're letting and inviting the users to test them the data that's the process that began after we did our full migration report on a significant round that ran on february 2nd it is completing it testing today and that's the number that is reflected on the february date which is 52 items that came out of that so again the progression is we've got less items and in terms of overall scope within the items that are here there are items at this point are endespairing the data we want to achieve that's significant items that's the

reason that i'm not presenting a date or timeline between the slide there are items that need to be the bulk of them are well in hand as far as the technical fixes and development there are a few we don't have complete from the vendors that need to be addressed and commissioner walker please. can you tell us what those are. >> so the went from the biggest iowa's one is i'm probably using the wrong technology i call is 2k3wr5r8g9 the fees i've learned the building code puts in place if you follow the permit in 2005 but then you don't get it issued you coming come back later and as long as the permit is not

expired you can use the same fee table that's what i refer to say a grandfathering of fees i don't know if it's mandatory when there's a new fee schedule we found in order to handle the total there's 13 thousand permits that are in the state they got filed at some point or still 2, 3, 4 place and subject to older fee schedules and in order to support that and competently sell those they needed to be implemented into the system the way it was proceeding they implemented the current enforced fee schedules the 7 percent reductions happened back in august that's in place and mia any fee schedules in the future it will handle the effective date and

implemented anything that was filed according to the old fee schedule so the gap is things before august of 2014 that had acquired a fee schedule or years prior will not be handed as far as gettingors permits issued this is the case where if they came back years later and no changes to the job value particularly after that many years and your value of your job comes up if in job values changed migrated we'll handle that but if there's a change which i am told the normal change of inks the clerks will have a difficulty commuting the fees against the old fee

schedules. >> commissioner walker. >> so do you know how many of those are like haven't been acted on older than a year isn't that the expiration if someone has a permit and it didn't get acted on doesn't that automatically exterior expire. >> we can't cancel some of the permits and i want to add not only our fee but pending changed their fees every year that's why it is more complicated not shg9 fee we're taking the money for city planning also. >> so the dates flows when it is applied for not when it's issued. >> no. >> the day. >> the day of the submittal they submit the permit and they

can't be cancelled that's why you have 14 thousand. >> another item is bills with inspection records that's interesting in the audience to hear how the inspection records get pulled into the proceedings but the inspector go out for a partial framing inspection and mark their result in the system that includes the status pass failed or partial and also their comments today and we're still looking for a solution from the vendor not a way to lock the vendor to prevent future changed it's critical for the department for the district it logs who did and

and what they did about say as far as locking down the records and that's what their finding hard to meet. >> commiserates. >> so i know there's a lot of issues that came up at the last meeting but do we feel that we've given the vendor aiming all the outstanding issues now that all the benchmarks they have to meet before we go live one of the complaint from the solar team and vendor was that we would give them things benchmarks that changed or that they didn't get before and i wanted to make sure that they have everything before them they know what they have to do not

only the fee changes and we talked about that more including the things buyout inspections being able to track the inspections not only the outcomes they have all those issues in front of them. >> yeah. we've going up and down glutton the opportunity for all the departments and in my pretending presents expressed here's the things we've asked for and need. >> and i know that the fee schedule one of the things we were trying to get a handle on this is particularly true of older permits that are hanging out there they don't come in often we might get one-a-day someone from 2005 but in that case we were trying to sees how hard it would be for our staff

to manually input that so we get an idea of we don't want to have to, you know do this forever manually input it but if this manual input only happens one permit a day for a couple of months we might be willing to do it we need an understanding of the lag time to go live when we you know could straighten this stuff out. >> we have meetings going on this week to get a level of effort what it takes to get the fees into the schedule to be used by the clerk. >> how often does someone walk in with a 2005 permit and say i'm ready to