questions that have been excuse me. the comments and issued by both sides and most of the speakers you know i don't disagree with any of them the ability to have a larger family to have an affordable house and have a protected garden and light i don't disagree with any of them the question whether the variance is appropriate whether it xhofrmdz to the 5 criteria and the finding that were necessary for that. >> i was almost situated by the fact there was a variance issue before i don't think people need to have to go through this

process twice understand whites written into the decision letters and what a been standard practice by the department, however i'm not quite in agreement my response it's a new variants and therefore i don't find it satisfies the first two criteria and i'm not supportive of the variance. >> i have some real issues along those lines and i kind of think that the net result of the variance with an an impossession on the neighbors so i guess i'm torn.

>> feel like there should something that could be done within the framework and allow them to do what they want to do without consequences. >> i agree with commissioner president fong that a lot of people have expressed a lot of good views and i agree we give up certain things or things when we live in san francisco and see a moderate improvement of 5 hundred square feet is not a

huge for about for me not blocking any of the open space but i believe that the requirement for a variance are very strict i feel that living in a one bedroom home 90 in san francisco is extremely tough with a child and i'm torn myself to be honest, i really am but given the amount of votes that will require to go this i don't know. i don't know at this point i mean both stories are extremely extremely compelling there's been xhifblt with the plan as well i don't know having an extension to clear some of that up will help us

probably going to be on you commissioner wilson. >> commissioner fung give me a little bit more on the thoughts about not meeting number one and two of the requirement for variance. >> before i go through directly let's strip off some of the things people brought forth i don't care to hear people making claimed about other people and what kind of income they make that kind of argument does nothing for me i don't care for you know the attempt to

provide positions that are not necessarily characterized by realty how have that's a separate issue the perhaps i'm maybe too old for this officer but the fact the variance criteria was meant to be also very strict at least for quite a long time in the history of our city the questions of whether one can afford to do the intensive redevelopment of american people existing building shell that involves not only seismic but absolutely other things does

really play into the criteria of variance the question of whether we want in our city to have a difference demographics of both families and non-families is not reflected in the criteria the criteria in my opinion reflects things that go beyond that and therefore leads into quite unusual or perhaps special cases and not standard like cases we've been hearing in recent years and so therefore when i look at the first two criteria yes. the other 3 i accept that but on the

first two criteria i don't see the points maybe you can explain the first two criteria commissioner wilson. >> you want me to read the criteria. >> i have one or two things pointed out it's in here look at right here the preliminary statement the copy of variance is in there. >> all yours. >> sorry. >> just want to get it right.

>> still clear as mud. >> just want to see

excuse me. for a second.

>> i would say again, i fully appreciate the intent of the project is and that our decisions are not about ultimately who gets to stay and would gets to go it's ultimately the ordinances and all are properly applied to cases and that's where it gets difficult and while one would like to see this project in some way sharp

or form that allows another bedroom the way it is being proposed is how it is consequences that possibly could be evaluated. >> i guess we should talk about but finding one says there's extraordinarily circumstances to the use of the proposed that didn't apply to the property, etc., etc. does that exclude insisted that whole iran dill street and the way it configured isn't that an extraordinary circumstances or is that finding will talking about something else.

>> so if that's the case wouldn't it be met? >> in my opinion it is the extremely the fact their smaller not rectangle linear lots if you, we had another case fairly recently it was very similar in the sense that the lot was smaller than the standard san francisco lot but not you know i mean, i live on a key lot that is smaller you know and the issue foosz there should - was that xoerl being a fact it was smaller i said no i was, of

course nobody agreed with me (laughter) i'm sorry but you know, i - have i voted for vapors before, yes i have you know but perhaps a question of how one applies the definition to only a couple of words within that i know that's what is in that. >> and we don't have to say yay or nay but compromise for

negotiations. >> okay. >> on that basis i don't need any further discussion. >> okay. so i'll make a motion. >> clarity in some of the words. >> it's not real clear i mean, i know the zoning administrator and every zoning administrator has struggled with that and it is also been a difficult question we just been lucky all our c a don't succumb to pressure they vote their conscious i find that fine but the question whether or not other people agree. >> we look at it i get that part. >> motion commissioners. >> i lost 3 to one last time.

>> i will start with a motion then i'm going to move that the appeal be granted and the variants be denied because of lack of meeting the criteria one and 2 and the subsequent co-rent finding for those two. >> there's a alternative permit on appeal so is your motion to deny that permit as well? >> yes. >> basis for denying the

second one it's not the same and the second one is predicted on the extension into the rear yard if they chose to change that they're no longer regulated by the one that year rule because the design change so the permit is being denied again in part it requires a variance. >> it requires the variance. >> of course this is been a difficult one. >> will there be an appetite for continuing this with the

expectation it might be - >> i think the question shall be asked of the two parties i have no problem with that. >> counselor. >> brad glad stone for the family we don't have a problem with a continuance i just ask that it not be a week or two give us a little bit more. >> won't be for another three weeks. >> okay. good. >> and the other side. >> we welcome the chance to come to an agreement that works for all parties. >> i will withdraw my motion and move to continue this and i

don't want to say to both sides i know it is difficult issue but i would hope they negotiate in goth and something else substantive is accomplished. >> i will second that and compromise doesn't mean you get everything you want. >> madam director about a 3 week timeframe. >> i guess the 18th of march is the betterment. >> does that work for both sides the 18th of march? >> yes. >> okay. >> let us know.

>> may i approach. >> march 18 of the is fine thank you. >> that's a motion then continue to march 18th arrest there's a motion on the floor. >> one moment mr. sanchez will you be willing to have departmental assistance try to mediate and see if the board as a direction in particular the answer to other process the ground floor was not as much as an issue and the concerns are really related to the second-story edition had it focus on the relationship of the

second-story edition to the adjacent property or also exclude reduction in size of the ground floor which i the appellant can address that. >> why not focus on circumstances and side where it goes. >> thank you. >> that helped. >> on that motion to continue both motivators to march 18 for further negotiations. >> commissioner president lazarus commissioner honda commissioner wilson thank you vote is 4 to zero both maternities are continued. >> commissioner president lazarus moibdz. >> adjourned