recall theiry're mostly on the east side that's correct before me we have a thoroughfare hiding street and mission hill and towards coit tower and individual owners throughout the city more than on the earner half of the city a number in the gentle hayes valley neighborhood last question there's there was a i guess a couple of limb failures on oak street were they ficus. >> oak street has a number of large ficus failures we've been looking at ficus trees along

katrero we've identified 5 to 10 trees along oak and bell streets and really trying to target the largest fikdz trees and want to reiterate that our criteria is not a death sentence for ficus trees we're going to identify them individually and if they've been pruned to create better structure those removal applications may be denied it's a case by case example. >> so my question since those have the potential limb failures being in the city i understand that ficus get north of 50 or 60 feet their jefferson one-sided those trees don't appear to be one-sided but if there's limb

failure are you suggesting any of the trees are up for removal and the majority of the ficus trees on oak street is the responsibility of the property owner we recommend the property owners be responsible for the ficus have the trees be evaluated with the arborist and it does understandly raise mrmthsz if you look at large fikdz trees our department has a sense many are candidates for removal we're looking for the general public to do the same with the fikdz trees their maintaining the last question is that those

trees can't be saved. >> our opinion is that the approval the permit to approve the trees is reasonable i'm not here to say if their hazardous but i think that as part of the retention on a construction site that there are a lot of uphill battles to face with the best of tree protection we'd hate to see a lot of effort put into protecting those trees and having limb failure within a few years that's frustrating i think for everyone. >> as you noted in picture tree one and 3 there were attachment with rock removing the attachments be healthy for the tree. >> tree number one has 3 stems

it will be difficult to give that stem a clean bill of health one approach to reduce the trees through 39 dbi is doing on, on one street we're putting e pruning them heavy will i preponderance of evidence there are structure dwshts. >> the department denied the permit. >> that's correct at the staff level decision the first progress when we receive an application we have several arborist evaluate the trees we approve the trees removal that have structural problems or dead or dying or some deficiency and trees that are healthy we deny so at the staff level the inspectors issued the denial and

the appellant appealed that when we pochtd the removal notices the public saw it was going to a hearing i was actually putting together the slide show and as and was reviewing the images i found that the ficus trees had several co-dominant items our inspector was aware of the tree criteria but not at the level that carli short and i where we were literally working directly go with our director of public works to finalize the criteria to in light of that several months when the trees were evaluated it was not as pressing an issue i think with the number of failures that have occurred has we presented those slides and the presentation we felt that was a reasonable denial

that approval was actually reasonable. >> are you satisfied that the 36 inch replacement. >> i am code requires 15 gallon replacement tree when something is going to a hearing a public offers for public works recommend a 24 inch box if the tree is dead or dye with construction we bump that up so in this case the hearing officer recommended the 3 trees be 36 inch i'm satisfied with the box size i think that placing 38 inch box size on sidewalks is problematic in terms of existing utility and smaller sized trees the faster

is will grow so sometimes those larger box replacements you don't actually you know 5 years later they've caught up so 36 is a reasonable replacement size. >> thank you. >> thank you are we're going to take public comment i want to remind somebody someone from the hayes valley officer your time is the same time as at appellant other than those people are there public comment let me see a show of hands let me have the first person step forward and if you can fill a speaker card it will help us in the preparation of the minutes. >> hello, i am here to speak in favor of upholding the approval

so in favor of the removal permit had he that's because i want to talk about what was on the sort of like what maybe is at stake which is the 29 unit they will eventually be built anyway, i guess the thing is in making decisions about those kinds of things we're in a housing crisis and difficult for like a general matter of renter; right? to find apartment at all so the trees are about how far and wonderful and also san francisco is looths several years coming up of very you know dramatic building and part that have is having to let go of some of the things that are novice in

the short-term to for instance, the hayes valley person kaubd u talked about the tree wouldn't coming come back for a decade it's good to think about the long term and after a decade like at least 50 people will be living until that building probably because more like a turnover and hundreds of people this makes the process more - and you know take longer which is counter productive for our overall goal of having abundant housing my name is sonya part of the general public. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> hi i'm gail i'm a board member of

the hayes valley association we work closely that the developer on this project and we support it there are a couple of things i want you to take into consideration number one we believe that the championship of the street will be come down by having especially the replacement trees they're proposing will not be at the same height of the existing trees not talking about ficus trees but other types of tree and in addition the mta is proposing a bulb out in front of the new property that expands the length of the sidewalk to the entrance of the prospective that's going to make it a different environment for the walkable space for that area i want you to consider that in terms of taking out the tree now, when it is based on what you see on the landscape on the

hayes street side may be different when mta is done where the bulb out. >> excuse me. was there a suggestion how to handle the design on the landscape. >> that came up. >> the boublt is a new thing that is happened in november so you know i advise the developer team this is a different consideration that none of us were aware of as mta is trying to speed up the buses and having the bulb outs it will speed up the buses compound hayes street. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> thank you hi, i'm jim

i'm also a member of the haildz association and you know, i look at this and you know, i welcome this development i certainly was part of the process of them having the approval of the neighborhood association to do the development so we look forward to it however, removing the trees is not something that any of us are looking forward to for me the compelling thing when we pruned the one at 568 it was a successful pruning and karaoke frankly they looked to me not an ooshl for a structurally balanced trained arborist did a very good job and so, now we have a stand for two year and the two that are pruned this is

just to any the compelling thing when you mature trees have those been neglected they have is it correctable it is certainly it is there a long term benefit for 4 or 5 or seven years before the other mature yes that's part of it you know, i certainly want the housing to come on one element that we've been made aware of the wholly project came to a halt i'll hope for a process whereby the trees are protected and if the deal goes forward without the project slowing down for 90 days if you could look at try to save

those trees they're an asset thank you. >> hi my name is a patricia miller a neighbor in hayes valley and member of the association this is a really fascinating evening yet i'm still amazed monopoly harassed mentioned the length of that street are ficus trees an entire row of 8 of them and others are presumably better cared for and trimmed back from the builds and not disruptive the busy that is happening banter and have thought spirit of the whole street i appreciate that commissioner vice president honda's said it is one sides it's not true i'm not an arborist so listening for a

compromise it seems to me if they're properly cared for they could be kept alive this is probably a mechanism to make a clear entrance way to put the this up we've lost a lot of trees in the neighborhood very, very, very many trees and having them replaced by small trees that take longer to grow is not an acceptable solution so i people re find something that is larger trees or maintain the ones that are already there for the skid mark of the flow and the policy narrator that live in the neighborhood. >> thank you. is there any additional public comment seeing none mr. rawlins beggar you have 3 minutes of rebuttal if

you have anything further. >> thank you, again. and thank you, everyone for participating tonight. >> i have some feedback i got from the community centuries we've filed our appeal i want to get other peoples thoughts of a number of the members of the community their relevant to what i presented and if i may read those of you quotes from community members mulch trees have a multi decade investment with an increasing investment as temperature rise ricky said leave the trees and leave the building didn't that match the architecture jonas pointed out in articles

about those trees failures that were highlighted during its response a number of those involvement with the swaurths sidewalk root were cut they were disadvantaged explicitly and on replacement that was inspired that in new york city an excellent replacement tree formulas they put a ribbon they call it the dpw dynamic and any trees a lot of the loft in the project they must be be replaced and, of course, that's going to be much more expensive i imagine and i want to offer from a community member mature trees are valuable the reasonable think to do is plant smaller trees between the mulch trees

lae have a chance of survival so when the mulch trees hit their end of their survival there is no need to cut those down let's others get established that's all i have to say i'll answer your questions if otherwise. >> permit holder has 3 minutes of rebuttal mr. fry. >> hi thank you for your time and i want to stress that what we're doing is not for financial arraigns or bifurcation it is simply a reaction to with what's occurred with the ficus trees and the associated liability and when you hire professionals who tell you that those trees are fraught with problems that the

trees have survived and flushed because there was not building in front of them but also we're going to be believable a 5 story building you're seeing a 2 sided ficus will be a one-sided fikdz so more trimming i'm to stress we that profldz look at this that's why we're keeping the magnolia trees their healthy and we're able to build around them and add additional trees by removing those two ficus trees it is costing us more money to put in new trees where new wells, etc. that is just an unfortunate incident here but those trees unfortunately, to keep them is simply a band-aid and i have one question sorry

when were you aware of the will boublt or building out for the sidewalk. >> i was not the first time i heard if it the bulb out is going to be towards the western half of the property that isn't even the front of those two trees. >> so not on hayes. >> it's on hayes but more on the east side and those trees are more in the middle towards eastern side of hayes, if you will. >> mr. buck any rebuttal. >> chris buck with urban forestry not just to clarify a lot of the species failures in san francisco with ficus trees was related to stem loss not stem failures there's one see dramatic failure two months ago on the block that was recommended to sidewalk root pruning but it was due to a lot

of the decay in the because of the truck those trunk those those are not related to the sidewalk failures. >> a gentleman referred to the pruning could the trees be pursuant in that manner and survive? thrive >> sure the trees could be pruned in that way you're not adding structural problems are with the trees you'd still have to repair the sidewalk and put in are a curb and species that's going to damage the sidewalk again the speeds we've not been planting in the city since the late 90s due to the stem flurdz at&t's and the dame to the sidewalk we are not seeking the permit with your just trying to be consistent how we handle all cases so the trees would pruned

but a certain amount of risk with the species you'll set auditors up for a lot of pruning there's other concerned but that's you know my feedback on the matter. >> a question mr. buck is if there's a significant reduction of canopy does that reduce the potential stem failure. >> yes reducing the overall size and weight of the canopy reduce the likelihood of failure why not just prune them that's one option to address the

potential stem failures you're not changing anything else structurally with the trees that's the challenge added public works we saesdz a lot of fikdz trees and felt they were pretty good we've walked away and had them fail there's a potential of liability especially, if increase an injury or accident and the person harmed property wise or personal injury will hire an arborist to evaluate the if i could and see if those trees had a potential for problems that's some of the legal liability out there and pruning the trees yes prune the trees back we've orientated - issued siegdz it will have to be pruning over 5

years to try to reduce overall the canopy size. >> are you finished commissioners same question are you aware of the boublt occupy the city. >> my sense of bulb outs towards intersections and my sense of the site the the building where the two trees are located in the parking lot it is still not going to address the structural concerns the trees you you know the night to repair the sidewalk will certainly create a larger sidewalk space so for the trees i'm unaware of any of that. >> a good question go ahead. >> a members of the public sunshine said a loss of larger trees. >> i don't understand that comment but loss of a lot of trees in hayes valley

yeah. i'm not you know there's certainly been development and case by case there's but i'm aware of any larger amount of tree roermdz or ficus tree removals so nothing on my radar. >> a lot of eclipse were removed because of the freeway. >> there were the hayes valley farm experienced obviously that forearm was temporary to begin with but ultimately in the end the trees that was a big impact to the immediate area just to relate to commissioner vice president honda's on the bulb out it's not likely that anything else will druk obstruct the sites or traffic sites allowed in the bulb out anyway. >> the bulb outs can be challenging muni didn't like

trees planted adjacent so bus zoned trees are part of the riders experience for shade they have liabilities and spacing requirement for planting trees in busy zones but boublt there will be likely room to pull them back from that curb there will be room for the trees to be planted so, yeah the boublt is the last second item i know nothing about specifically. >> i mean sorry my concern is that is a lovely block of trees i go there on a regular basis my concern is the growth of the new trees we're experiencing potentially a leaguer sidewalk then i also thought if you put a 48 box it's a better situations

but after hearing tonight you're not recommending. >> it's recommended too when the public the level of public protest and opposition it is a measure to try to show the public we're trying to go restore the tree but canopy wise the smaller plant size you plant it is established to its location i'm not attended to 48 inch boxes it's a 2 year jump on a 36 inch but i've seen them they're trying to get used to they're new locates they're just sitting there getting used to the space they are not putting

out a lot of new growth. >> my ultimate concern resale it is good we have housing but the developers will be gone in two or three years once the project is sold so maybe having that it is substantial to get the canopy back to its spates is a good idea. >> one idea 48 inches as large as possible to beef up want cap that i and the planning code requires the planning department of trees on the other frontage as well. >> one more question i'm struggling with its not urban forestry policy that the trees that the cause issues in the future and in the past they have

there's a presumption they should be removed ramp the extents of keeping them. >> the concern is the microscopes expense 2/3rd's of the property owner maintain the trees adjacent to their property and through a lot of replanning department a lot of the property owner called urban forestry and ask them this tree i don't want to remove is daniel my sidewalk that said they tolerate a lot of root pruning you can root prune fikdz and the trees don't fall over from the root pruning so the existing trees we're not looking to remove them because of sidewalk but the stem structure the wider points of attachment center stronger

unions so there's going to be a number of ficus trees we don't initiate them we feel we can will go with liability widest the cost to the property owners and to the department and knowing it is going to damage the sidewalk 5 or seven years later those are some of the issues. >> and you would something before about we wouldn't want to see is the tree failing 6 months after construction; right? >> right >> what would be required to protect the trees during construction. >> what is the cost. >> to protect the trees during construction i don't know the spefkdz on the engineering and the equipment needed to be placed in the right-of-way generally speaking if the engineers