the enforcement. >> a combination so last question to ms. rogers before i i'm going to turn it over to my colleagues you talk about the hosting policies that they could help where the enforcement process and the remedying process you talked about the listing the real estate numbers on the website if you will, and supervisor christensen was instrumental in getting a field put in to the website so really beyond that though i am there is a real discussion point within the hosting platform it is a platform versus a participants ♪ helping the city enforce i want to quickly run through some of the things from a policy prospective we're to have to discuss some of the things that

are helpful if not one hundred percent effective with the resources let's seem loaded to enforce the law if we don't provide if we z don't have the appropriate things to expect the planning department to enforce the law and expected our resident to comply with the law wonder in you could lay those out >> indeed to go over the things we've discussed penalties for platforms that list unallowed for certificates but there are thousands of listing on some of the websites today that have no numbers associated with them so making sure that they don't list as inregistered unit one of the

data to require the platforms to require data ideally on bookings that have occurred and data by the hosting pa mroomdz and you've seen the chronicle it looked the hosting sites and got the data that was done to software that the data can be gotten off the website securing the software or service if our department would be helpful unites we can get the actual bookings i'll get more information on the listing and again, the limits the finite limits would be helpful currently a limit if you're not in your unit and hosting it but no limit for if you just tells us you're in your unit during the rental then you can have

that rental available 365 days a year it is hard to serve someone there and allowed to rent it 365 a year or not present and the last won node good data another limit to limit the number of certificates we could issue something that the board feels is marketable. >> thank you and from my prospective again, we expect people and san franciscans to comply with the law and planning code to enforce the law but as a budget committee to give you the adequate resources to enforce the law and give you the tools to have a chance at enforcement and until we get to that point i don't know we're downey done where this thank you for your comments and presentation and

supervisor campos. >> thank you mr. chairman i want to thank you and supervisor christensen for this hearing i think this is a very important conversation because whatever differences we have but with what the law should look like there is a total agreement whatever last is passed by the board of supervisors should be properly and fully implement i want to make a couple of brief comments and have questions for planning i've said clearly at the outset before this law was passed that this was a brushed process and i think when those kinds of laws that are complashthd happen within a campaign there are deadlines in this case motivated the passage and i think what is happening we're realizing that a lot of the things a lot of the questions that were asked we don't even know the answer to

the questions are today so we are as the city left with a mess we're trying to clean up i want to begin i don't think we fully know the extent to which short-term rentals are impacting the housing market i support short-term rentals they have a place in san francisco but we have yet to fully understand the thousands of unit that are in the short-term rental market that could be available to san franciscans that are looking for housing i have requested that the budget and budget analyst consultation a full review of the impact of the short-term rentals on the housing market and ask and hope that the hosting platforms coordinate with the city to provide the budget analyst the data needed to fully mind what is happening out there and in terms of enforcement i

know there is an important role for the hosting platforms to play we've heard from the planning department about the kinds of things they can do and hopefully, they'll volunteer and volunteering work with the city to the extent they fail to do that we have a responsibility to make sure they're doing what they are supposed to do to enforce the law i looked forward to working with planning on any amendment that insure proper enforcement including the issues around the pleasance e penalties for platforms and the need for data and the vifblg limits for the units the second point i want to thank our planning department and staff i think that you have been placed in a difficult position you have been asked to implement a law and let's be honest you

have not been given the resources you need to properly do that. >> and i think that we owe it to this department to this staff to insure that they have the resources i'm glad to hear from our chair that the budget committee will be looking at this issue i don't know it is fair to expect full and proper enforcement self-we're not giving the planning department the resources they need to do this likewise i have a request to the home sharers as noted by the planning department we saw hundreds if not thousands of them in the process at city hall coming to advocate passage of this law now that the law is passed we hope those hundreds and thousands of people p will take the step in following the law they advocated

for and you know the interesting thing about this issue when you have a hearing about short-term rentals i get a large presence from a lot of people engaging in the short-term rentals but what you don't see in the hearings is the thousands of people that are actually obey impacted by what's happening they're not here another city hall we have a responsibility to make sure that tenants understand how they're being gathered by what's happening we have a responsibility to make sure that the property owners in those neighborhoods understand how this industry is changing the character of their neighborhoods it is not just that we should you know in business and government the squeaky whole gets the grease a lot of squeaky

when we would say a lot of people that don't know they can be a squeaky whole it's for to make sure their prospective is taking into account so with that i want to ask our planning department and again, thank you for the amazing work you've done in terms of the issue of principle residence how do you insure that someone is, in fact registering a principle residence how does that work. >> thank you scott sanchez planning department so the legislation caudal calls out methods or materials that can be provided to establish that like the driver's license or the utility bills and in cases owner occupied tax exemption certificates relying on the documents as provided by the

applicant certainly moving forward and again, we're going to learn implementation of this as woos we move forward we see unit that are listed potentially an entire unit it is difficult to find out this information but evidence maybe further down the line that the unit are not owner occupied for the application process relying on the materials. >> in terms of just for me at least on the surface it seems like insuring the principle residence of being registered that appears in better than or person by the individual could be important talk about that. >> i know there's about complaint about the process here the brisk nature of the gaps i'll note that prior to this ordinance alike short-term rental use will prohibit it or

require the conditional use process you know posting on the low thousands of dollars we're asking for going from the tax collectors office and on the rental and making an appointment to the planning department not waiting in line and providing provide that information be in person touch the face to face contact is helpful peep can ask questions and look at the materials that are provided it's been successful in the month we've been implementing that you know staff have been implementing it and the face to face manner and largely people have been supportive it is not a burden to get the materials and come down to the planning department and meet with the staff it is an effective process. >> semiin terms of allowing short-term rentals but also puc the housing stock this is a good

balance to strike in terms of the sort of enforcement process at this point it is still complaint driven how does that work do you have the ability proactively to go over bad actors. >> we're still complaint driven and in terms of the enforcement we have received complaints since the adaptation of the ordinance we have generally focusing our resources now on accepting the placements applications and progressing the applications we've move on to enforcing the placement and still complaint based it's changing to go on the website to look at a listing and then generate a complaint not enough information to determine even what the address of the unit it and go out to the unit. >> that's where i think the coordination of the platform is important

are in terms of staffing do you have a sense of what it takes in terms of staffing to get you to a place where enforcement is not only complaint driven by pro-active followed through an bad actresses, if you will. >> part of the answer is not just the resources of we have resources a hundred people working on this we'll be on the website with not enough information to provide the information we'll need it to work on the complaints that's a technical issue for enforcement. >> have you asked the hosting platforms to provide that information. >> during the promoting of the ordinance we discussed it and the answer was no assuming it

was appropriated through a subpoena the comments we've received and that's how we'll have to move going forward i assume. >> i can understand it they'll not volunteering that information. >> that's my recollection of the conversations. >> i don't know if there is no someone from a hosting approach i want to hear do we have to go as far as issuing a subpoena to get the information that the planning department needs i don't know if there's anyone here from the hosting approach no that's a question we worked or should ask other question any sense of whether or not they're going to only has any residence of only listing you know registered

units. >> no not that i'm aware of any hosting platforms. >> finally my colleagues have questions in general how would you rate the level of coordination between hosting platforms and the city at this point. >> the silence may sum it up it could be better (laughter). >> and again, the city has asked we haven't had a lot of response thank you. >> supervisor christensen. >> thank you mr. sanchez i have 4 questions with are trailing philosophy at this point how are home sharers being informed of the regulation and enforced to

comply if i'm part of the new committee a young person living in the mission reading the chronicle looking at the goes on how am i aware of this. >> that's an excellent question in addition to the materials on the website and the press has been generated during this legislation it's mapped the hosting platforms the largest one did innovative all of their san francisco hosts of the ordinance and of the requirement that's our understanding. >> i want to point out yeah. i spoke with and received the cooperation of one of the sharing platforms in using their position as the listing source to better inform their participants in this case we're relying on the approach to get

the word out it's all well and good by that's a pole and not a push i'm wondering any thoughts on how we as the city government can help people comply by making them more aware of their responsibility and we're certainly on to any and all ideas on that subject i know it's our goal for enforcement for everything in the planning code to insure compliance we want 0 people to comply and we're on to any ideas to improve the outreach we noted last year a significant amount of public interest of the knowledge of the ordinance was quite broad people may not know the details and getting this fresh in everyone's mind a the goal >> it pertains to the platforms

in the case of a building permit if you can't get our building signed off nor occupancy that's a motivateer if you have the appropriate documents i think the advocacy groups their various advocacy groups like home sharing and homeownerships and organizations we'll work closely with them to make sure we're using them as a conduit to their members second question timeline so is there has there been - this law come nefthd at the beginning of this month any sort of drive for compliance for example, a neighborhood association i belong to you have to buy our title by march first is there any you know i don't

know any benefit is there any motivation for people any amnesty anything that could be used to encourage people to sign up by a certain date. >> i think under the current ordinance i mean, there's nothing that particularly compels compliances in a timely fashion beginning on february or people - there's nothing that says if you don't register by june 1st, you'll have triple the amount of the registration no monetary methods built into the code. >> we could, however, say you could registration with no penalty for past renting as long as you register before june pictures. >> that's our mantra you come in and apply there's no penalty

so certainly right now people coming through the door today or tomorrow they're given penalties unless a past violation there are past enforcement cases we've been working on for months and years and have not seen those people come in the door. >> i just say from a martyr prospective to i think many of us procrastinate i need to get down there but if the get a bill or have to file by a certain date it gives me an end date and the next timeline question is prarpdz more difficult what do you suppose the staff timeline for sixth compliance how long has planning given itself to have a significant number of

participants signed up ♪ program is that an open end date or you can't could a we say within 6 months of effective ordinance or 9 months when does planning have significant compliance >> we don't have a specific date we hope to see a percentage of a vast majority of those registered and part of that t is testing out the enforcement process one of the options again for we know that there are 60 issued right now and over the coming months for certificates issued one of the options for enforcement has been relatively a blueprint tool to approach the housing platforms and ask them

to turnover records related to those not rirnld with the city those again are very blunt tool we'll hope that people voluntarily apply. >> it might be good for all of us to have a goal and know whatever is required to chief 2550 are percentage compliance or 75 percent compliance good to have a timeline to all work towards as difficult as that might be otherwise some of the home sharers will keep on not moving forward third question budget so two parts to that how can we work with the department to develop a budget for those are things that are needed in order to make this work and how can we prioritize that budget for

example, i think fourth on the list was an online booking software that fascinates compliance maybe that and staffing needs to be top priority so what kind of numbers can the department put to those requirement so that budget & finance committee can see where the funding is coming from. >> part of this and part of the enforcement challenge all along 345s has been we didn't know the final form of legislation until late so trying to define the enforcement resources rile depends on what's in the legislation so you know currently, we think that it is going to be challenging to enforce it there's coming legislation that is going to be be heard by the planning commission next month

and the commission is considering other changes to the ordinance that makes it easier to endorse that will help with our resources part of the technical do some software solutions to gather information or information from the housing platforms you know at this time it is a software solution scheduling software which it would be helpful you know our concern is that will dip technology from the tracking system which would be online in a few months that allows us to do that that's an idea and option there's going to be a time to get up to speed on a temporary solution part of that looking at ways to get the system online quicker when working with dbi maybe that would be a priority rather than

investing in an existing resources to fill that void and the short term solutions there will be other changes to the legislation that will determine if we want to see a followup to the solution that's part of the prioritizing. >> that sounds like progress online booking is going to be with us regardless; right? i appreciate there is uncertainly about some of the details and whatever information but if online booking is a function of the situation regardless i do understand about the dbi system oh, dear if we get caught up in that we have to have a plan in order for this to be effective in order for us to do that we have to have the

steps and the clear about the timelines the better we can serve our constituents both the home sharers and the people that 345ib9 harmed i'm almost wrapping up so how can we work more effectively with the platforms it seemed like the platforms are the key i don't know they cause the situation they certainly took advantage of it but various home sharing has been going on since beth ham what can we do a city to work better with those that guide the industry what sort of a 2350ur78 perhaps from my colleagues and sever as a department of you don't have a conduit to people that are

holding the cards in this case. >> we've tried to have the initial kefdz and i go debiting night the conversations will be a good strategy with our department will be happy to be part of the meetings and the larger public through forums and discussing what's champed in february now we know a little bit more about the program than last fall. >> i'll wrap up thank you for your patience with my lengthy questions i think those of us who have concerns about the home sharing there is a lot of pope hope an attempt by the city to enforce the guidelines will be successful and so i think anything we can do to make this

process actually work you can needs to be prioritized so timelines budget goals conversations those all seem to be worthy next stems in making this work i appreciated mr. sanchez comments the people that are involved are happy but a self selecting group so our goal needs to be to bring in the uninformed the stagger letters the folks and try to get them to comply. >> thank you, supervisor supervisor mar and let me do my best to be brief so we can hear public comment $50 fee needs to be increased it could be done administratively and i

appreciate that mr. sanchez and ms. rogers framed this in order to have a regulatory enforcement we have to keep in mind the goals are affording our housing stock i appreciate the bigger picture to supervisor campos point of the recognized from that m many rogers just to get airbnb platforms to coordinate is a struggle i want to put it out there for a $13 billion company to be dhaim claiming to be part certificate sharing to make that mechanism work is hypocritical i'm hoping we look at suggestions you've given about the data minding software and other efforts to solve that

problem if only the platforms will participate we'll have a success that's the elephant in the room and finding the bad actors to make that work there's a lot of good website sources from the anti eviction mapping program that highlighted 2016 that we know the multiple listsers if airbnb wants to be sharing the economy and work in coordination that's the least they could do to coordinate but to force a subpoena is outrageous i appreciate many rogers lacing out the changes in the law i want to note the cap i believe in seattle and other places as one suggestion how to coop the potential number