excuse me. the comments and issued by both sides and most of the speakers you know i don't disagree with any of them the ability to have a larger family to have an affordable house and have a protected garden and light i don't disagree with any of them the question whether the variance is appropriate whether it xhofrmdz to the 5 criteria and the finding that were necessary for that. >> i was almost situated by the fact there was a variance issue before i don't think people need to have to go through this process twice understand whites

written into the decision letters and what a been standard practice by the department, however i'm not quite in agreement my response it's a new variants and therefore i don't find it satisfies the first two criteria and i'm not supportive of the variance. >> i have some real issues along those lines and i kind of think that the net result of the variance with an an impossession on the neighbors so i guess i'm torn.

>> feel like there should something that could be done within the framework and allow them to do what they want to do without consequences. >> i agree with commissioner president fong that a lot of people have expressed a lot of good views and i agree we give up certain things or things when we live in san francisco and see a moderate improvement of 5 hundred square feet is not a huge for about for me not blocking any of the open space

but i believe that the requirement for a variance are very strict i feel that living in a one bedroom home 90 in san francisco is extremely tough with a child and i'm torn myself to be honest, i really am but given the amount of votes that will require to go this i don't know. i don't know at this point i mean both stories are extremely extremely compelling there's been xhifblt with the plan as well i don't know having an extension to clear some of that up will help us probably going to be on you

commissioner wilson. >> commissioner fung give me a little bit more on the thoughts about not meeting number one and two of the requirement for variance. >> before i go through directly let's strip off some of the things people brought forth i don't care to hear people making claimed about other people and what kind of income they make that kind of argument does nothing for me i don't care for you know the attempt to provide positions that are not

necessarily characterized by realty how have that's a separate issue the perhaps i'm maybe too old for this officer but the fact the variance criteria was meant to be also very strict at least for quite a long time in the history of our city the questions of whether one can afford to do the intensive redevelopment of american people existing building shell that involves not only seismic but absolutely other things does really play into the criteria

of variance the question of whether we want in our city to have a difference demographics of both families and non-families is not reflected in the criteria the criteria in my opinion reflects things that go beyond that and therefore leads into quite unusual or perhaps special cases and not standard like cases we've been hearing in recent years and so therefore when i look at the first two criteria yes. the other 3 i accept that but on the first two criteria i don't see the points

maybe you can explain the first two criteria commissioner wilson. >> you want me to read the criteria. >> i have one or two things pointed out it's in here look at right here the preliminary statement the copy of variance is in there. >> all yours. >> sorry. >> just want to get it right.

>> still clear as mud. >> just want to see

excuse me. for a second.

>> i would say again, i fully appreciate the intent of the project is and that our decisions are not about ultimately who gets to stay and would gets to go it's ultimately the ordinances and all are properly applied to cases and that's where it gets difficult and while one would like to see this project in some way sharp or form that allows another bedroom the way it is being

proposed is how it is consequences that possibly could be evaluated. >> i guess we should talk about but finding one says there's extraordinarily circumstances to the use of the proposed that didn't apply to the property, etc., etc. does that exclude insisted that whole iran dill street and the way it configured isn't that an extraordinary circumstances or is that finding will talking about something else. >> so if that's the case wouldn't it be met?

>> in my opinion it is the extremely the fact their smaller not rectangle linear lots if you, we had another case fairly recently it was very similar in the sense that the lot was smaller than the standard san francisco lot but not you know i mean, i live on a key lot that is smaller you know and the issue foosz there should - was that xoerl being a fact it was smaller i said no i was, of course nobody agreed with me

(laughter) i'm sorry but you know, i - have i voted for vapors before, yes i have you know but perhaps a question of how one applies the definition to only a couple of words within that i know that's what is in that. >> and we don't have to say yay or nay but compromise for negotiations. >> okay.

>> on that basis i don't need any further discussion. >> okay. so i'll make a motion. >> clarity in some of the words. >> it's not real clear i mean, i know the zoning administrator and every zoning administrator has struggled with that and it is also been a difficult question we just been lucky all our c a don't succumb to pressure they vote their conscious i find that fine but the question whether or not other people agree. >> we look at it i get that part. >> motion commissioners. >> i lost 3 to one last time.

>> i will start with a motion then i'm going to move that the appeal be granted and the variants be denied because of lack of meeting the criteria one and 2 and the subsequent co-rent finding for those two. >> there's a alternative permit on appeal so is your motion to deny that permit as well? >> yes. >> basis for denying the

second one it's not the same and the second one is predicted on the extension into the rear yard if they chose to change that they're no longer regulated by the one that year rule because the design change so the permit is being denied again in part it requires a variance. >> it requires the variance. >> of course this is been a difficult one. >> will there be an appetite for continuing this with the expectation it might be - >> i think the question shall

be asked of the two parties i have no problem with that. >> counselor. >> brad glad stone for the family we don't have a problem with a continuance i just ask that it not be a week or two give us a little bit more. >> won't be for another three weeks. >> okay. good. >> and the other side. >> we welcome the chance to come to an agreement that works for all parties. >> i will withdraw my motion and move to continue this and i don't want to say to both sides

i know it is difficult issue but i would hope they negotiate in goth and something else substantive is accomplished. >> i will second that and compromise doesn't mean you get everything you want. >> madam director about a 3 week timeframe. >> i guess the 18th of march is the betterment. >> does that work for both sides the 18th of march? >> yes. >> okay. >> let us know.

>> may i approach. >> march 18 of the is fine thank you. >> that's a motion then continue to march 18th arrest there's a motion on the floor. >> one moment mr. sanchez will you be willing to have departmental assistance try to mediate and see if the board as a direction in particular the answer to other process the ground floor was not as much as an issue and the concerns are really related to the second-story edition had it focus on the relationship of the second-story edition to the adjacent property or also

exclude reduction in size of the ground floor which i the appellant can address that. >> why not focus on circumstances and side where it goes. >> thank you. >> that helped. >> on that motion to continue both motivators to march 18 for further negotiations. >> commissioner president lazarus commissioner honda commissioner wilson thank you vote is 4 to zero both maternities are continued. >> commissioner president lazarus moibdz. >> adjourned

>> what if you could make a memorial that is more about information and you are never fixed and it can go wherever it wants to go? everyone who has donated to it could use it host it share it. >> for quite a great deal of team she was hired in 2005 she struggled with finding the correct and appropriate visual expression. >> it was a bench at one point. it was a darkened room at another point. but the theme always was a theme of how do we call people's attention to the issue of

species species extinction. >> many exhibits do make long detailed explanations about species decline and biology of birds and that is very useful for lots of purposes. but i think it is also important to try to pull at the strings inside people. >> missing is not just about specific extinct or endangered species. it is about absence and a more fundamental level of not knowing what we are losing and we need to link species loss to habitat loss and really focuses much on the habitat. >> of course the overall mission of the academy has to do with two really fundamental and important questions. one of which is the nature of life. how did we get here? the second is the challenge of

sustainability. if we are here how are we going to find a way to stay? these questions resonated very strongly with maya. >> on average a species disappears every 20 minutes. this is the only media work that i have done. i might never do another one because i'm not a media artist per se but i have used the medium because it seemed to be the one that could allow me to convey the sounds and images here. memorials to me are different from artworks. they are artistic, but memorials have a function. >> it is a beautiful scupltural objective made with bronze and lined with red wood from water tanks in clear lake. that is the scupltural form that

gives expression to maya's project. if you think about a cone or a bull horn, they are used to get the attention of the crowd often to communicate an important message. this project has a very important message and it is about our earth and what we are losing and what we are missing and what we don't even know is gone. >> so what is missing is starting with an idea of loss, but in a funny way the shape of this cone is whether you want to call it like the r.c.a. victor dog, it is listen to the earth and what if we could create a portal that could look at the past, the present and the future? >> you can change what is then missing by changing the software, by changing what is projected and missing. so missing isn't a static installation. it is an installation that is going to grow and change over time. and she has worked to bring all of this information together from laboratory after laboratory

including, fortunately, our great fwroup of researchers ers-- group of researchers at the california academy. >> this couldn't have been more site specific to this place and we think just visually in terms of its scupltural form it really holds its own against the architectural largest and grandeur of the building. it is an unusual compelling object. we think it will draw people out on the terrace they will see the big cone and say what is that. then as they approach the cone tell hear these very unusual sounds that were obtained from the cornell orinthology lab. >> we have the largest recording of birds, mammals frogs and insects and a huge library of videos. so this is an absolutely perfect opportunity for us to team up with a world renown, very creative inspirational artist and put the sounds and sights of the animals that we study into a

brand-new context a context that really allows people to appreciate an esthetic way of the idea that we might live in the world without these sounds or sites. >> in the scientific realm it is shifting baselines. we get used to less and less, diminished expectations of what it was. >> when i came along lobsters six feet long and oysters 12 inches within they days all the oyster beds in new york, manhattan, the harbor would clean the water. so, just getting people to wake up to what was just literally there 200 years ago 150 years ago. you see the object and say what is that. you come out and hear these intriguing sounds, sounds like i have never heard in my life. and then you step closer and you almost have a very intimate

experience. >> we could link to different institutions around the globe maybe one per continent maybe two or three in this country then once they are all networked, they begin to communicate with one another and share information. in 2010 the website will launch, but it will be what you would call an informational website and then we are going to try to by 2011, invite people to add a memory. so in a funny way the member rely grows and there is something organic about how this memorial begins to have legs so to speak. so we don't know quite where it will go but i promise to keep on it 10 years. my goal is to raise awareness and then either protect forests from being cut down or reforest in ways that promote biodiversity. >> biodiverse city often argued to be important for the world's human populations because all of

the medicineal plants and uses that we can put to it and fiber that it gives us and food that it gives us. while these are vital and important and worth literally hundreds of billions of dollars, the part that we also have to be able to communicate is the more spiritual sense of how important it is that we get to live side by side with all of these forms that have three billion years of history behind them and how tragic it would be not commercially and not in a utilitarian way but an emotional emotional, psychological spiritual way if we watch them one by one disappear. >> this is sort of a merger between art and science and advocacy in a funny way getting people to wake unand realize what is going on -- wake up and realize what is going on. so it is a memberorial trying to get us to interpret history and look to the past.

they have always been about lacking at the past so we proceed forward and maybe don't commit the same mistakes.

. >> that i'd like to remind the members of the audience that the commission does not tolerate disruptions of any kind. to please 0 silence any devicess and when speaking before the commission, if you care to, do state your name for the record. i'd like to take roll. >> commissioner president fong we do expect commissioner wu commissioner antonini commissioner hillis commissioner johnson commissioner moore commissioner richards oh,