buy one of these units and i'm not just talking about bmr's, maybe these folks, if you help them do well they can get a market rate unit. i think it's a win win. i would love for us to be able to take a look at some of these when the rfp's go out and give us a brief file of how long they have been in business in san francisco. maybe their generation as city san franciscans. i think that would be important for us. >> thank you, madam president. >> i saw that you have one parking for each unit. what do you mean off street parking in addition to the one garage? >> the off street parking is referring to parking that the unit has

like your garage. on street parking is street parking. >> off street parking? >> off street is within your garage. >> okay. that's the garage. >> yes. >> also on the bonus on the density, is it more dense than the other places of san francisco before we are living where? >> i would say it's probably one of the, i would call it median density if you have nothing but single family homes the density type of approach dense bay. mission bay is medium to low density. this is medium. this is very similar to what's basically done on the hill top. that is being replicated here as opposed to a bunch of town homes to low density. it's

medium. >> sbe, wbe, they are in compliance with all the requirements. >> i have mr. lee to come up and address that question. >> good afternoon commissioners, raymond lee. lanar is in compliance with the sbe program as stipulated with their participation at the roughly 62 percent with sbe credits given. >> so they are this complains with our requirements? >> correct, yes. >> okay. thank you. >> commissioner mondejar? yes. the catch up units, do we know what type of units this would be? >> that's a question we have been in discussion a lot with the developer. we don't quite know. they have provided a very rough sense. your son

-- conceptual design has information about the building with the square footage. those catch up units as stated will be on average 700 square feet per unit whether it's one or two bedrooms that remains to be determined. i would like them to come up and talk about their design process and what some of their early thinking is on the catch up units. >> brian lanar, urban. what we are, we didn't want to go ahead and start planning out the rest of the site. it's pretty important to the rest of the site to know that we are going to have the height and open space development modification before we start moving forward. we felt comfortable with the first phase moving but it's almost right

after this, we'll start moving forward with the design on that and hopefully be here in the next few months. until then it's such a tricky site, it's hard to come up with detailed info that we've been asking for. as soon as we get it, we'll make it available. >> i have a follow up question. your marketing plan. we've been asking for a marketing plan of what demographic you are targeting and do we have that yet? what is the update on that? >> thank you, commissioner mondejar, i will let mr. zu brak address you and what are we seeing people coming. we are preparing a report for you for april 21st. mr. zu brak will have that information but i wanted to

let you know there is more information coming to the project and ship yard. >> with regard to block 48 we have worked with the topography and master plan and there is something that might be with flats and some kind of a mix in between. as we move forward with the design and marketing team we should have more concrete info. >> not until april is what you are saying? >> i think the plan is. >> what do you have right now, who is buying, do you have an idea of who is buying, who are you attracting, how many from the certificate of reference. i have an interest of how many families are buying with children. give us an idea of what you have, especially with the catch up units. it's 700 square feet average.

that's probably about a small family. >> not even. >> yes. 700, maybe with one child. i don't know. but it's, you know we are all concerned about housing in san francisco and not pushing away families to somewhere else so they stay in the city. >> absolutely, commissioner mondejar and that is one of our no. 1 priorities. we don't have that information, we are preparing for affordable housing folks at our office and along with the housing community development is working on that report and that will come april 21st. he doesn't have that information and we don't have that information today. i apologize but we will bring that to you in april before the approval of the schematic designs. >> i'm concerned because they are asking for approval and there are going to be units but we still don't have an idea of who is going to be living there and at least if

we are going to give you something, if we are going to approve something we at least need to know how that would address the families in san francisco, the housing situation and it's just, i feel like we need to know what's going on and what's happening. >> we'll have to -- yeah. >> yeah, we'll have to wait until april to get an idea but you have sales already, right? you know who is coming, who is asking for tours. >> i'm randy, the director of development, not part of the development team. i can't answer your question. i will work with the department team to get the answers for you. >> we have asked for this and we haven't gotten this unless i

have missed: >> we are working to get you the information. i'm sorry, i wasn't prepared to bring it to you today. >> yeah. >> i have some questions as well, why don't we go off topic on this one thor, perhaps you can explain to me, in realtime, what is the community builder doing on this project. no. >> they are doing the fee developer model. >> i would like to get an idea of what that is. >> environmental construct. what we do

is basically we work with brian and lanar and the design concepts they have we come up and we find out what the community wants and we go and help them make sure these changes are being made on the design and make sure that the community is comfortable with those design changes. so that's where they are doing now in the design phase working with brian and lanar in getting those changes made. that's our function. >> the liaison with experience, right? the community can say we want x, i mean how do you know. >> you can't get everything you want, exactly. >> you would be the expert that allows the feedback to the community that those are being implemented? >> right. >> that makes sense. >> as we've been moving along this is the period where we meet with the

community. we had various community meetings and working with the design and as we get to design development and construction document and construction is very involved. we are at the early stages. >> i know we talked about it and there are not that many community builders that have come up and i'm like what is it exactly. okay, i had a couple questions on the affordable housing. i guess one big question and i don't know that we have an answer, i'm echoing what my fellow commissioners have about the affordable units at the end of the day how are we going to assure and staff assure us hopefully that certificate of preference holders have a clean clear open opportunity to to be to get

basically one of these units because there is not that many units. i don't have faith in the lottery system. i know the mayor's office of housing, i think we've asked this question before if there is some other method because i think it's a system that sets people up for disappointment over and over. is there anything you can tell us about when it come to i call direct marketing kind of thing. who are the certificate of preference holders who could qualify. do we know them? can we find them to make sure they are front in line for these opportunities? >> so, for the record, thank you, president rosales for that question. i think this very detailed and hopefully it will answer all of your questions or at least spur the conversation forward in a positive way in april. the marketing update. i know the mayor's office of housing and

development has data online system that is pretty robust and i was learning more about the capabilities are and has all the information about the applicants and sorted by zip code and the lottery and incomes are and the family composition is. if they were applying for a two bedroom unit, whether it's for sale or rental. all the data in the past 12 months for the report and we are going to feed that in along with lanar with the marketing team to get the result of their market rate development and who those folks are where those units and how fast they are sechlg -- selling and they have all that data they are bringing forward in april. we wanted to bring it earlier but that information wasn't available techlt --

at the time. these are very good questions. please keep asking for the information but that's the opportunity when we'll provide it. >> you know, i remember when i was on redevelopment commission we asked a lot about this and asked for reports and asked for briefings to be able to talk about this and learn more and how, i mean, i guess that if we need the mayor's office of economic and workforce and development and housing to come before us to give us a report, then we need to do that because i almost feel like i actually don't want to approve anything until we start getting reports about this stuff. asking for certificates of preference holders to get these units is not for me a pipe dream, it's an obligation that we have as a city especially to the people in the western addition that we have failed. i know

there is a lot of money on the line with these projects, but there are a lot of lives that were disrupted through redevelopment which is now our agency. and it's, i mean, to me this is serious and i don't want us to stop the projects, but i almost feel like i would vote no because i want to know where is the stuff going, who is getting it and like you, madam chair, the lottery system is, you get people who just moved here getting a unit when there are people who were pushed out 40 years ago who are still waiting. so i know maybe for some people it's not politically correct for me to say that, but i don't care. it's the right thing to do. i'm not just pointing at you thor, you know me

and you know what i'm about, but we have to do the right thing for people. we are asking for reports and we've also asked to meet in the western addition and there are a lot of things that we have piled on the list that we would love to look at and get stuff on. so i would concur with you madam chair about getting something that says this is who is getting it. >> right. yeah, because we want to know if we are on track if we are not on track correct for the course. is there a possibility to ask the mayor's office of housing to attend our next meeting to give us a verbal report on kind of an interim give us the high points because i agree, we've been, i have been on this commission for over two years and we've been asking about a certificate on the preference programs and marking

strategies and web portals possibilities. >> yes, we can certainly ask the mayor's office on housing. we have them partner with others to do the marketing and manage the cop program and ask them for a report before the full blown report in april if that's the madam's direction. >> maybe we can include something like this as a standing item on our agenda. >> yeah, i think it's a great idea. >> so it's on there and every meeting we get a report and we get a sense of where we are on this. >> i was going to move on to the sbe policy. >> it's with affordable housing. i want to go back to the marketing plan which is covered with the certificates of preference. the largest population in district 10 is api

community. so part of the marketing plan are some of your marketing materials translated to several languages outreach to the api community and who is buying, the 88 units sold out, who are these people. are they certificates of preference, some of them? i don't know. what's the am i this year, do you know. sit like 50 percent, 80 percent, what's the number? the average ami this year, every year it puts out. i think it's higher than 60. because i noticed it 50 percent of ami, 80 percent, 100 percent. >> i think it's over 100. >> they put it out every february, right? >> this is for a family of 4.

53000 for a family of foufrment are the families of four a target market, are they able to take advantage of that. individuals, there are some 80 percent of the ami. i would love to see that. like commissioner or president rosales and i have been here for a couple of years and i don't think we've seen anything and we've given money to the mayor's of housing so their software is going to be updated. >> correct. we appreciate your comments. we are waiting for information from lanar. we have been working with them for the past 3 months for information. mayor of housing will be part of the presentation, lanar will be part of the presentation but we can't complete it without the information

from the results of all of those sales. we are working to get to you this information april 21st, lanar will be present. the right folks, she's not in the marketing session and wasn't really prepared to answer the questions, they are marketing folks and need to be here to represent that. so, they will be present. the folks in the mayor house on housing and community development will be present and i will be part of that along with jeff white from our housing division, oci housing division. >> do we have the list for the bmr units we are going to be giving? >> if i may, commissioner you are saying the selection for phase 1a are part of your table and what

page is the bmr selection on? it's in your schematic design. i don't recall the page. it's in there. would you like to look at it right this second. >> i just want to know that you have it. >> page 18 is where it is. >> i want to know the people who are going the get this bmr. >> i understand. of course the plan is to have as many certificate holders as possible, as many bayview residents as possible. >> we'll hear about this in the next commission meeting. there are other approvals. if we prove this

item today, there are other approvals on this project. >> yes, the message is very clear from this commission, you are very hesitant to approve future phases on this block and future phases without knowing this information because you are very concerned about who is getting units and the affordability being kept. we understand and we are preparing what we think will be a very robust complete information on the marketing you have asked about. >> the question i have on the sbe program, the attachment is understandably on professional services. at what point would we see the construction side? >> raymond lee. you will see the construction on reports as they are presented when they go into construction we work with the developer in terms of

identifying i would imagine in this case working with the jrl general contractors in reaching that 50 percent goal. the numbers themselves don't go back before the commission in any types of approval of course, but it will be presented as part of the quarterly reports to you. >> okay, just to make sure that i understand this, the project is hopefully will break ground in august of this year? that's my recollection. >> yes. >> how much before the august ground breaking essentially, do you work 3 months ahead of time, 6 months ahead of time. i'm trying to get an understanding on that as well. >> sure. to the extent where the construction documents are

prepared and they are ready to go out for bid, we engage with the developer or the general contractor. we are in talks with i believe one of the gc's that's been identified for the early phase of phase 1 block 48. in terms of i believe it was mechanical electrical plumbing design build. and that rfp is due to be coming out in the next i can't venture to say but certainly within the next month. we have been talking. there is not a particular timeframe in terms of 3 months before we meet. a lot of it depends on whether construction documents have appeared and ready to go out to bid and in anticipation of that. but certainly in terms of outreach demand terms of engaging the

community to submit bids we do have a requirement that bids be advertised at least 30 days with the submittal meetings at least 2 weeks before the bids are due. that's not to say that we are not going to push it earlier to allow time for folks to submit their bids. we have a requirement of a minimum of 30 days. >> okay. thank you. okay i have no other questions. any other questions, comments? >> yeah, i think i like the projects and this thing could be ironed out and we should not delay this. i think we should approve it. >> i agree. i think that the sooner they move forward with the project, the sooner they will be

housing and it's a critical demand, but i also want more information. i would rather have contemporaneous information rather than delayed information because delayed information is looking in hindsight rather than anticipating. that's where the mayor's office of housing comes in. i don't think there is any impediment to continue this reporting on what's going on. in other words we don't have to have a commission meeting to get memos from staff. >> just to add, overall we've all been working very very hard on this project , all of us for years now. i don't think that you there was a lot of hope in this project that went from the creation of housing to the redevelopment of that site to

the creation of jobs and so on. we automobile -- all believe in that and we want to make sure that all the spirit and in tension in doing this project is happening, not in just the construction but all the pieces that go along with this project. the women owned businesses that are getting the opportunity. the local people who work hard to build their own community keeping people here in san francisco. we are not against the project, at least i'm not against the project. i'm for it. lord knows how many, when i was in redevelopment how many hours we spent 13 hours in the board chambers with planning when we had everybody and their mother to talk against it and we pushed for it. but i hope people don't think that we are just

going to rubber stamp this. that i'm prepared to talk and to talk to the mayor and talk to people. i want to be able to say we are doing the right thing. so, you know, if i personally feel like we are not doing the right thing, then maybe we will have to delay and time is money and we don't want to delay. right, i don't think anybody wants to delay. i think again going back to the entire spirit of that project was to lift everybody up. so, you know to our friends of lanar, i mean there is many projects that are going to come before us. i think you have a sense of what we are hoping for and what we would like to see because it's just not miguel sitting up here but it's so many people that deserve this and everything that

comes along with it. so, you know, we are all very passionate about it, but that's because we are obligated to the people of san francisco. we don't get paid to be up here. we get paid to be a voice for the people and for those of us who have been around a long time we have heard a lot of people upset. we just want to make it right and that's the spirit in which i make my comments and there is spirit in which i will vote for this phase. but knowing that there is more to it than this vote. there is a lot of expectation, a lot of obligations that we need to meet and a lot of you know again it's going back to just doing the right thing. that's all i'm asking. let's altogether do the right thing for people that we failed before. that's it. so

i will move this motion. >> i second that. >> can i vote with contingent on receipt of all the reports that have been requested? >> amendment to the motion. >> because that's how i feel i should. i echo what commissioner bustos is saying. my role here is to really make sure that san franciscans don't leave the city and they have the opportunity to take advantage of your beautiful units, but i just need an understanding of where we are going and where we are having and it's been a couple of years now and we are getting a lot of feedback and i really don't know what to say. i live in district 6 and i know what it's like. so if that's if my fellow commissioners are okay with it unless there is another way of maybe

having action items on our, you know like a lot of these things. that's how -- i'm not against the project. i just want to make sure. i mean, god knows we need all the units that you can provide but also i would like to be able to say to the community that i represent of which you know i'm a neighborhood representative that i was appointed here to say yeah, you have an opportunity to take advantage and we are repeating out to you and this is what our developers are doing, reaching out and talking that you at least have a crack at this. so that's how i would like to propose my vote. >> amendment, right? >> yes, if it's okay to amend that. >> i would have to approve the amendment. >> i think brian wants to say something. brian, do you want to