issue of timing the timing of this this is they went and covered where those monitors are placed at okay this is off la nefarious roster not something a grumpy old black man or grumpy old dr. is making up just for the fact those monitor you see on this document are not there were they say they are they're not i'll reiterate that they're not those monitors are in kajdz i'll show you a picture in a moment they can't move and walk on their own i'm not sorry the inspector needs to go and see for himself that's why we took them out there it's not age imaginary situation we're not saying that lamar is totally

responsible we took them through the neighborhood i did the study in bayview and pete did the studies for the nasa we were co-volunteers and as i said earlier my speaker has stated the awe ma rates for the school we did in the 8 six 5 percent of the kids were as mask i went to school with a colleague and 85 students are and i mask and when i attended the lamar meeting i asked the promise what's the total percentage of the kids at red had a right elementary school the total are 11 percent and the first grader didn't have a number where the

babies come from how long and where they live that's a better reflections. >> i'm going to ask the doctor i have to wrap up if we had a lot of time i'd let you go over. >> please allow me a presentation i asked the concert. >> usually a presentation is 7 minutes. >> we really are face nodded but one more minute woourl you'll wrap up. >> here oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light is this is where they say it's at but actively it's the monitor are next to the park all they have is an boibdz monitor not a parcel monitor dust is a trigger

for asthma when i spoke to the lamar people arrogantly i'll take this to the commission and ask for changes you're not the ultimate say also let me quickly get to a main point will the latest letter we submitted this is a presentation from lamar not something i'm making up okay this would be a proper set up did black box is a pump you see to the left and that is a filter it is a

black object this is a flexibility and dr. please wrap up. >> what happened at the alice griffith park go to the computer please. sir. >> maybe - >> dr. sorry no, i have to thank you your time is up. >> can i please put that one picture there's no filter on the monitor the monitor placed behind a building so we have an foirnl reduced airflow and no black filter so data we have none. >> i have to stop you dr. >> it's a false presentation to you i'll submit the information yourself review we're asking you

pull the permit thank you. >> period. >> they have to comply with the law. >> thank you dr. commissioners any more public comment. >> i'll be happy to entertain questions. >> no further speakers we'll close public comment. >> no further public comment. >> commissioner walker please and commissioner mar arrest deputy director larry maybe you can answer this question so the request has been made for 7 sets of monitors in different locations that there be a map provide to u.s.s. meaning the public and dbi i guess as a compliance kind of thing so 7 sets of monitor and 7 different locations that there be a map and there be signed reports done as per the request

is that different from the requirements established for the safe demolitions permit i want to see if - >> what the requirements are i supposition that we. >> i'll have to check with the 4u79 they're involved with this i'll check with the health department and responded back to you. >> i feel that's a fair request from the public of the monitoring the public knows y where they are and has assess to the report. >> commissioner walker. >> generally for the pest controls and all the mental monitor or how to measure it we rely on the health department because we're not an expert on it our inspector the only thing we

regionally ask they water done did you observe the dust and comply to our request. >> it makes up but it seems like we could make sure those are reports are available i i mean that we know where the monitor are and we report that's something of we're not the experts whatever is established as the testing we should be able to make sure that is happening. >> from our inspector we look at the monitor right there but is the monitor work we don't know we know we're not the expert to make sure the reading. >> commissioner mar and commissioner melgar. >> the question is along the same line that commissioner walker raised but a little bit more direct

i know that there are some things the health department is supposed probation officer to be responsible for but we have a lot more inspectors and not doing a lot of time not only open projects like this but restaurants and other places the health department hass has primary jurisdictions i'm going to be direct can we send our inspector out there not visibly go looking at the dust levels as a previous speaker said but look for the 7 monitor. >> there are - to see where the monitors are to have the contractors open up the boxes if their locked or behind a fence or whatever so we can visibly inspect there are technically working monitor in

place as a followup it should come about it behoves us to interface with the other agencies that should be collecting that report this is a straightforward. >> we'll have to interface with the health department and other management we're not - we don't have control over the monitors as monitor and jurisdiction we'll will have to check with their jurisdiction and check back with i. >> sorry commissioners i have to go to commissioner mar through the chair please. i've lost control. >> norman on a demolition when the building inspector we look at the demolition to make sure they're following the sequence they're not beyond the scope of the general safety of the area some of the reports you said their trained all the demolition

construction workers for the protocol of watering down and the mitigation plan that lamar did train their workers to follow the dust control plan this is something we visually do we looked at the dust if it's you know to be monitored like quality management that's not what we perform we perform the contractors the consequence of operation it's a safe environment and following the procedure. >> commissioner melgar. >> thank you. i guess my worry is look at of psa the buck with the health department because you know, i hear what you're saying about you're being there to insure the skurnz of the

project i'm wondering another what point do we stop or suspend a permit if things are not done properly not enough health department inspectors i can't speak for them we know know where they stand but hallowing in the health department has not signed you know the reports or done things adequately at what point do we move forward or take action on the permits we've issued because this is a health and safety issue that effects the southeast portion of the city at what point do we do that. >> at what point. >> at what point if we're relying on another departments information and not going properly i'm wondering what's

our process for that. >> first of all, the permit is we get it by the health department and make sure that all the things should be compiled to they send an inspector out for example the report i don't know they send it to us or except that's a problem we request us to look at the permit a that's like the planning department they found out there's problems they send us a request for suspension not us to you know we're not the health monitor review on all the reports you know they supposed to review it because review the permit and issue it with us, however, we're the final one to issue the permit but they review

spoerld to monitor it. >> we're the teeth here. >> we're the teeth in process of the enforcement but we're relying on the expertise of another department that you know smells e seems like they haven't dot all the i's and cross the t's. >> i director do you want to weigh in on this i'm looking at this but to commissioner melgars point obviously the health department are kind of missing in action on the scenarios we are trying to figure out what do we have to make them do their job do we have any jurisdictions i know that we're doing as much

physically inspection question are a demo as part of our jurisdiction. >> we can you know reach out to health department again to make sure they know follow those guidelines wherever they approve that it is hard to suspend 24 permit we're relying on the expertise and ask did they follow that and from the department of health to department hard for me to say stop the permit i don't have any ground to stop it. >> we will have to rely on the expertise of the health department and the aquatic management they're involved good. >> what we're hearing we can't rely on them they're not reporting. >> yes.

>> and corresponding to this we have the enforcement of the permit responsibility and if they're not reporting we can't rely on them we're back to what commissioner melgar said kowa do we do when our folks are dying of asbestos. >> commissioner. >> the health department is not doing we're hearing at least we ought to know are they doing it or not from your level so we then know what we ousted to do with our responsibility we can't say it's their responsibility they're not doing it. >> we should have someone from the health department. >> i'm with you deputy i know you've had your hands tied at many levels and trying to do

your work to make sure it is met with the criteria but commissioner walker thank you. >> i also want to thank deputy director we're in a hard place we issue a permit for demolition assuming other things are available and happening so when those things are not happening we have the authority to call the permit until such information is available and that's kind of what it feels like we need to do in order to be taken seriously to say until such time as we get the reports from those locations with appropriate and maybe we bring in some independent person to establish how many monitor and what their monitoring we have a demo permit a that's assuming

things not in evidence we don't have reports or proper anybody signing the reports it could be they print them out and attach them so i feel like we know the history of the southeast sector and that's the issue we as a commission and department we've focused a lot on trying to make sure the demolitions don't exacerbate problematic air quality issues so i want to empower you and the director to get the information we need to make sure this don't guess is happening in a healthy way. >> the health department just walked in. >> thank you so if i'm kind of dmranz i know absence about this i've been

involved in the demolitions business for years at the end of the day it's the contractor who needs to make sure that all the reports are done in a timely manner it's concerning when you have a detailed report when the dust control plan all the boxes are checked off and the dates and there's no signature at the end of it that to me is first of all, did transparency is automatically shot there and those are important reports but 4 monitors good enough 5 are monitors good enough obviously the monitor are needed that's required there but to have those kind of you know making the community feel good that everything is done those reports are everything and right off the baldwin bat

one report that is incomplete it sets the tune it something is amiss whether silver regard or the demolition from lamar or a third or fourth or fourth party the people should have the phone number there's a demolition a timeframe happens and which it's done it's done so you know as a contractor this is a very this points out exactly with the guidelines and the guided principles to prerequisite it's not make up as we go along and the contractor is responsible so if we have a demolition going on and it is not meeting the criteria as called out for that

probably falls into - i understand the health department has a big role but if they're not responding and coming and responding to the reports not being signed that's a problem. >> okay. commissioner let me have the health department here maybe they'll answer some of the questions. >> thank you where did you come from. >> someone tipped me off. >> laura appreciate you're coming it means a lot we just want to - i didn't think we were going to get into this much details but unfortunately, the department is involved were trying to get to the bottom. >> i'm katrero park from the environmental health i was not watching our testimony but heard it was 2, 3, 4 progress and i

talking to the manager and she bangs the community concerns and met with community members as we go along and the health department's roll in those types of dust control plans is for the approval of plans for a larger than one acre site that's the roll for candle stick and we're involved at the time of the discussion as to whether or not the demolition will occur by implosion so we were there to tell people what to watch far and ms. occurring allowed her staff to look at the special circumstances inspection of what he was the going on so mapped of how code is written the complaints that the responsible parts are not doing

what the plan says gets investigated by the department of building inspection so i've advised to people in previous years and shown them the code areas your departments work together for drafting the codes i believe section 22 in the building code but i'll happy to look at an enter agency approach and planning our way forward i'll be the carry of that information in fact your manager asked 80 us to come together. >> commissioner walker has something. >> right. >> what we sort of come to there is issues about how many monitoring stations and what type of monitoring a request. >> a request for 7 sets a map

if there's be an independent verification the system is working and reports signed that get through you. >> those reports are sent to the department. >> but not signed. >> signed by the people that issue the reports. >> it's an affordability thing. >> okay. >> if we could move along those lines. >> that's the immediate thing to follow up on. >> commissioner melgar and commissioner mar and then commissioner mccray. >> thank you for coming so the community has come today to request the believable put a stop to the permit you know because this is going on so you know we as a protocol rely on the expertise of the planning department before we take action are we hearing from you, you're

going to leave this interagency task force to make sure that every dot all the i's and cross the t's in going forward. >> are they related to practices that are observed. >> both. >> i mean. >> i think that is what the community has come to say we're not getting into the nitty-gritty of what - that's why we rely on the health department for your expertise. >> commissioner mar and over to - >> i'll give you an answer. >> this is where the nitty-gritty comes in so we don't pass the buck so to speak to the community between different departments because the reports are either incomplete they're not signed or properly inadequate they're not coming in as often as 33 they show there's a question of the

monitor whether in their there or whether they are functioning that a monitor which again so the question is again, if the community wants us to stop the demolition permit so we have to - and if the contractor wants to continue working we assume they want to do and the project manager it behoves both of our departments to get those things approved we have to go out there and we could - we've sent our inspectors but we need the health department inspectors to go out and look at the 7 monitor to make sure their functioning that they're testing for asbestos and parcels both and that then the report should reflect the functionality of the monitor i assume which the

community is not getting so that's - and that's a lot of fast work. >> could a i talk about the monitoring. >> i know that last week, i think ms. curbing was at an extended training but certainly i'll want her and myself to know specifically to watch our agenda i apologize we were not there and follow-up today so make sure we monitor the air reports and give comments but very specific contact within this agency to convene an interagency group to monitored this it is best to have that type of inner agency i know that ms. curbing reached

out to this department. >> commissioners. >> no well, i wanted to make sure that today's agenda is a decision motivator i hope we'll have it on the agenda again next month with action so your work about come to us where this all say. >> certainly it won't be me personally i'll be out of town but something generated for our advance rectify. >> and like i'll be in partners company that is the one that did the independent check list they're the ones that are not signed so that type of thing that is - >> have you been presented in the documentation. >> we've got a whole package

you can obviously go through that. >> i'd like to see that specifically and commissioner walker. >> i think outside the box it would be good to have stephanie have a conversation with the community to identify specific things that would be great. >> i believe she was and continues to do so she's had several meetings. >> commissioner mar. >> so i definitely - i'm fine with putting 2 back on the agenda with more possible action at the same time because demolition is a fine - as the chair said it is a finest thing period of time that is happening and you need a response now. >> so i really want to push both of our departments to get out there - and again, we're not telling the contractors if they're doing everything right

then their paperwork is terrible to that in and of itself we should tell the contractor look at our permit is in jeopardy for sloppy paperwork assuming you're doing everything else right that in and of itself should get somebody's attention when is the primary person responsible. >> it's a privilege to be able to develop an area and comes with responsibility and affordability. >> so obviously i know we'll have it back in our next meeting but something needs to happen today. >> i'll work on it today and i'll figure out who to rely on. >> and the necessary people lamar or whoever. >> well, you can work with my deputy director and with the

true inspector arrest warrant deny. >> and if so at least the admire can give me an update to the commissioners will know about the actions and let's presume there's no issue the contractor is doing their job but it's suspicious and this signage of the demolition and construction and general construction dust it is definitely a need for improvement as to the posting of phones and not getting message things it's a genetic message. >> we've got the debate that person on site anybody can call that person regarding the permit thing. >> it should be. >> it is required already. >> in the plan whether you see it in actuality. >>