pictures -- >> you can put them up on the projector. >> [inaudible] >> you can use the other mic too. >> [inaudible] >> okay. the cars were going up and down. i have been going through this for a long time and every time i see my house i go -- every time i go down the basement i get depressed because all that crap is coming up. it's not the water. it's the crap that comes up and i am tired of it, you know, and every time i call the inspectors they do -- i haven't heard from

nobody. nobody has come around and said "mrs. sanchez do something" -- [inaudible] please do something about it because they haven't done anything, and even my yard i can't go in my yard because the crap is there. thank you. >> thank you. [applause] next speaker. >> hi. my name is malcolm davis. i own the building that houses stable cafe at 17th and folsom and i wanted to show a diagram here. so there's a proposal to build a park that they have talked about putting retention feemps underneath and what i understand why can't they lower the entire parking lot and make it a very simple -- even if only needed to be for the 15 years it's going to take to do the big project if they could

make a big depressed area there that's not covered. of course it costs a lot of money to cover it. couldn't we pick a bunch of parking lots and lower the level? i have driven down to the buildings during rainstorms at three in the morning and the parking lot is safe and dry and my building is under water. i am wondering about the calculations of the cost of these things and incredibly high cost for something it becomes undoable and i'm an architect. i am used to solving problems in a way that's going to happen. it doesn't do any good to dream about something. i need a solution. i wonder isn't there a combination of recrowning the streets so they don't shed the water into the buildings? the center of folsom street is dry and the building is flooded. the parking lot is dry and the building is flooded so thank

you for the attention and i hope we see a solution soon. >> thank you very much. [applause] next speaker. >> i am susan and i live on the same block as mrs. sanchez and i'm going to use her picture. >> the other way, yeah. >> [inaudible] four houses away from her house and the water actually went up to here. it did that 10 years ago when we had the other flood and we also had two floods then too, one in -- i think february and another one towards december and this time yes we had two in december and the second one we had san bags and i watched from the top of my stairs the water go over the sand bags and they were like three high and even moved them and the first one went up

higher and the december 3 and the second one was december 11 and went up higher than that one but these pictures i mean these -- the water like i said is over here and hejs and almost to the top of the hedges and the hedges are about chest high and to correct you we don't have a 17th and kyuka street. there are no numbers to those streets. it's kyuga block and uniblock and all the way back to 500 block. i live on the end of that street which is the unit block and that's where the freeway connects down. it goes down. there is nothing there. it's a dead end so i don't know how high the water went on folsom street. do you know how high? how many feet it went? >> [inaudible] >> okay. thank you very much for having this and again i am

sorry our supervisor isn't here. i am sorry he didn't coordinate with you to get this all together. it's the same problem. thank you. >> thank you very much. next speaker. >> two minutes i will try. i am david hooper and the president of the new mission terrace improvement situation. i am familiar with the problem in the mission and raised there and volunteer at the friends of friends of the library. i get it. they deserve any help they can get but it's not the only place in the city or district 9 that has flooding and the problem is they have huge sewers underneath kyuga and alemany and they come underneath 280 and large chamber there until you get down to the 400 block of alemany boulevard at folsom and that's where it's half as large so this problem shown in the photo is because a location of a higher elevation

-- we're not talking about folsom and 17th which is the lowest point of town. you couldn't have road a boat from there all the way to oakland. >> >> this location needs a bond measure problem. that's a solution. and it means that you have to increase the capacity of the sewers from 400 alemany down to the southeast sewage treatment plant and mr. cruz touched on this in part. it's going to cost money but if we don't spend the money and buy people's homes and displace them where are they going to live in san francisco? and this public -- and this problem involved. >> >> there aren't fatalities involved in this but it's devastating just as the fires on

22nd and mission and on mission and 22nd and third and 24th street and all of the other fires happening over the last 10 years on valencia street so how are we going to get the puc to raise their hand and yes we will participate with you and address the issue without displacement? that's what people are asking for. thank you. >> thank you very much sir. [applause] is there any other member of the public who has not spoken who would like to speak on this item? if so please come on up. i think that concludes it. public comment is -- ma'am, are you speaking? public comment is closed. >> thank you. mr. chair if i may follow up with mr. cruz and first of all with respect to 17th and kyu gu.gua we will

inform the supervisor that people are here and give mr. cruz an opportunity to respond to that and it looks like something along the lines of this hearing that we're having on 17th and folsom probably should happen for this particular part of the neighborhood so before i follow up on 17th and folsom do you want to say anything about that mr. cruz? >> i was going to respond to a couple things that were brought up. >> sure. >> first of all i want to say the puc has been responsive and we are trying to meet with the community and really trying to do everything we can in balancing the overall needs of the system and the specific needs of this community. i can personally empathize because even though i don't live in san francisco my house flooded in december and i put in a new floor and had to rip it out because of the size of the storm in december. we agree with a lot of the things that the

residents said. we agree with the expansion of the grant program. that was the first time the city ever did something like this and went through one year and wide open to changing it so we agree with expansion of the program. we will work with the city attorney's office on how to expand that. one of the gentleman said for 15 years it was fine and now it's gotten bad. that really is not a change in our system as i said earlier. that's a change in the rain patterns and we again agree with that and trying to deal with that but have to stress that whatever we do and even if we were to spend billions of dollars when a 25 year storm hits we will flood. we cannot as a city ever invest enough money to deal with that storm. it's just not an effective use of public funds. i understand the frustration when you look at the parking lot and it's not flooding and everything else is but the parking lot is 18

inches higher than the street and that's part of the reason why it doesn't flood, so we do recognize this. i heard someone say expand sewer capacity. we did do hydraulic analysis and basically that's what we're thinking about a connector tunnel to do effectively what the gentleman was suggesting. widening the street doesn't do that for us and we need a minimum capacity to make an impact. there is no way to widen tweet sufficiently to store 150 million-gallons and widen it to move it doesn't work because it moves it to another back up point so we've done numerous analysis. we believe we understand the technical problem. we put costs to the technical problem disps problems and

need to figure do that and i love the idea about a committee. and we will do that. i clearly believe that dialogue is important. i thank you for setting up this hearing because it gives us a chance to give the bigger picture and the technical information. it gives the neighborhood a chance to give us specifically the things that they experience and we can share ideas. together we do want to solve this problem. we do have some real challenges here and i don't think they're insurmountable but somebody said you just can't take a piece of the city and say you can't live there i'm not there yet. i think from a policy perspective if we decide to acquire property and convert it into park or collection system or as the gentleman said low points that maybe the best thing for the city from an overall cost perspective. i will leave that to the policy makers. we'll generate the data and information and work with the

community. we do sympathize. i was out there in december and walking through 2 feet of water in some of the residences so i know what they went through, and so i am sorry that we're here but we're are working on it. >> before we go on to 17th and folsom can you say something to the other residents? >> yes, just as stephanie is leading 17th and folsom another staff member saeed is working on that situation. they're complicated by the freeway work there. the woman that spoke her property is at ground zero and experienced the greatest flooding. technically it should be easier to address than 17th and folsom and have a white

paper within the two weeks of the completion of 17th and folsom and somebody referenced the sewer system failure. i take issue to that. it performed to design. the storms are beyond what we designed the system to and that's what we need to address. >> [inaudible] >> thank you very much. >> [inaudible] >> you want to come up? >> [inaudible] >> in you're going to say something i do want you to -- >> why are places like 18th -- castro for example higher than both of these areas i think. why are the main lines feet in diameter and come to 18th and folsom and what did we decide today? they're 18 inches in diameterral folsom so how does

that mean the infrastructure -- it's been replaced back to the original size. i'm not a plumber and maybe i am ignorant in math but that's pathetic. you have that size pipe all the way down 18th street until the corner and in a transfer box that shoots water 16 feet out of the man hole cover and floods the street because of the pipe 18 inches in diameter. that's ridiculous. maybe not your fault either. >> mr. cruz anything to add to that? >> only i welcome the notion of a committee so we can look at the analysis. >> if i may to the folks that came out on the kyuga issue we're certainly happy to advocate for a response and we will pass it on to your supervisor as well. i think that i appreciate that you came here to raise that issue and i

am sure that you will get something not only from the puc but hopefully from your supervisor. on the 17th and folsom piece let me say that i truly feel for the residents and the reason that we wanted and the business owners -- the reason we wanted to have this hearing is this is something i have been dealing with on an yearly basis, and we're happy to work with the community, to work with the puc. as the storm happens but i feel that we need to figure out a short term, midterm and long-term solution here. and i welcome the idea of a working group .

and those that don't know mr. cruz as i know. i have worked with him for years and he's a capable individual you can get and we're lucky he's involved and he really cares. with that said i do think that we need to have a complete outline of what steps the city is going to take. if there is a long-term objective of 2020 that's fine if that is something that eventually will be a permanent solution but we just can't say we will wait until 2020 and that's when something will be done. we have to have a plan that call it is for specific short term and midterm action. i think having a working group makes a great deal of sense, and i am committing myself and my office carolyn who does an amazing job of putting

this together and following up. we're committed to working with the puc and the community to facilitate such a working group, and i think something has basic as throwing out ideas and having a technical response to those idea it is because part of it i think people may not know what's been done or what's been considered and i am certainly not an expert in pipes but i can tell you that i share the frustration. i i've had issues with my sewer system in the last two months and as horrible a situation as can you have as a homeowner. when you're dealing with that is -- i can't explain how fully how horrible it is so i could only imagine what you've gone through. what i would like to do is to maybe create this

working group, and then maybe begin a meeting working meeting with this group and maybe within a month or so, and i look forward to hearing from the community in terms how large you want it to be. we want it to be inclusive of everyone but at the same time we want to make sure that it is a working group that looks at all of the concrete options, and maybe what we can do is hold this meeting -- have this meeting be continued so that maybe in two, three months we can come back to see where we are with this because i don't want it to be we have this hearing and then we forget about it. i would like to come back to this in maybe three months and see where we are so that there is a concrete set up

steps. what i envision to the extent, and again that's the problem with people who think they know what they're talking about, not knowing is dangerous, but i personally feel some of the things that need to be explored besides this long-term solution of the tunnel that you talked about i do think there are properties that probably the city may need to consider taking over and even if having some sort of storage tank is not the solution that you want it to be, seems to me that what i am hearing something could actually help. it's better than what we have right now. i also want to explore the possibility of how this grant program can be more focused on the specific needs of each property and if there are things that we can do with each property maybe in the end that is -- that's a solution. i do have to say as a lawyer that it

is challenging when you're talking about taxpayer money invested in individual property and i think we should do it but it's legally you have to kind of be careful how you do that, but i think we have a lot of smart people here that can figure it out. and then i also think that if there are other things that that can be done that perhaps we're not thinking about -- i mean i think we should think outside the box. i appreciate the sand bags but i agree with folks when the problem is internal to the house and it's coming out of the sewer system i don't care how many sand bags you have it's not going to fix it. although i do appreciate that you have made them more available, so i think that if anyone can figure this out san francisco can figure it out. if any part of san francisco can figure it out certainly the

good folks at 17th and folsom working with the puc can figure it out so i look forward to working with folks but now we're going away and i don't want to keep supervisor mar because we're going to lose quorum and i am happy to chat after the hearing so if we can continue this to the call of the chair, mr. chairman. >> and seems like three months after the community process and do that without objection and continue to the call of the chair. mr. evans anymore items? no more items. >> thank you very much. >> thank you mr. cruz and your staff. [gavel].

>> all right. good morning, everyone. welcome to the san francisco transportation authority plans & programs committee want to wish everyone a happy st. patrick's day we have supervisor breed and supervisor farrell today and i

guess we don't have supervisor yee with that mr. clerk any announcements. >> no one roll call. >> supervisor breed supervisor christensen supervisor farrell supervisor tang supervisor yee absent we have quorum. >> thank you very much and now item 2. >> item 2 citizens advisory committee report an informational item. >> all right. chris the cac chair for presentation. >> good morning commissioner two items 5 and 6 we dealt with this past month the allocation of $51 million for the prop k this was passed the cac unanimously and the dedication classes on tenderloin four not part of this moss month i said

you ask that to be continued to next month most of the discussion is around the specific obtain projects a grateful was on the project not quite responded out not possible for mr. g to give specification and the freeway quarterly study was passed with one abstinence one concern was at travel danced and the strategies like major increases in caltrain capacity and bus transcript might chief those goals and in the abc 78 the hyatt was four types strategies not meeting the goals will happy in phase two we'll have turnover at the cac in the past years and at the request of

district 6 member we've scheduled a working group to go over the brown act we want to make sure the concerns are addressed and make sure the commissioners have the cac representatives to reach out to community groups and attend the organized meetings for us to exact with the community and the cac that's all. >> thank you very much any questions from commissioners no i noticed you did mention the great how project our office is involved we're happy to connect with you the folks so we'll gather our feedback and answer any questions with that public comment on this item number 2 all right. seeing none, public comment is closed and we're joined by supervisor yee and let's move to item 3. item 3 the approval of the

meeting of the february 10th meeting this is an action item >> all right. any public comment? seeing none public comment is closed and commissioners can we get a motion to approve the minutes all right. moved and supervisor london breed and seconded by supervisor christensen. >> roll call vote. >> on item 3 supervisor breed supervisor christensen supervisor farrell supervisor tang supervisor yee minutes pass. >> very much and now if we can move to item 545 recommended restraining order recommendation for two candidates. >> mike picking for the record. >> the transportation authority citizens advisory committee has 11 members each serving a two year term and the board appoint

individuals to the citizens advisory committee vacates neither the staff nor the cac makes recommendations to qualify for the appointments they must be san franciscans and appear before the committee the current applicants is attached and the materials foreclosure for each applicant is in the scombloer the first is the cac members one vacancy is the result of time constraint with the candidates time and the regulatory scheduled meeting is automatic interpretation under the cac and she's seeking reappointment we understand if supervisor avalos wants to continue the appointment to allow time for additional outreach at this

point there are 12 applicants for the vacancies with that we'll take questions and commissioners if not perhaps to the lady for her presentation. >> good morning, commissioners and citizens i'm seeking reappointment for my position to serve district 5 on the cac and just a little bit about myself i'm a 16 year resident of san francisco a 10 year homeowner with an address in the france square crotch that was built for the longshoremen and workers unions so the neighbors are elderly and disabled i'm involved in their concerns and there are strong voter as my revocation i'm a caltrain associated environmental planner

working for caltrain for to years been familiar with the state local and federal legislation around the vial and transportation planning and i've served 16 months on the cac and two of my absence of my four absence were due to the fact i had out of town caltrain training and hope you'll understand my attendance was making me a more skilled cac member i'm seeking reappointment thank you. >> thank you very much any questions or comments from the commissioners? supervisor london breed >> yes. can you explain the other two absence as well. >> one was i had the flu really bad mru and the other i was stuck in consultant traffic from oakland at this point, i thought that would be rude to show up wlatd i 230ud later from mr.

davis to show up that would have been fine unfortunately. >> do you think this will change to retrigger the reappointment felt position do you think this will happy in the future. >> i certainly hope not will keep in mind my caltrain schedule and may conflict that the cac meetings and take into consideration thank you. >> all right. thank you very much for being here any other questions or comments. >> okay. seeing none we'll we're going to open up for public comment thank you. >> any public comment on item 4 all right. seeing none, public comment is closed so colleagues can we get a motion to appoint ms. affordable housing l