chart shows staff proposal in terms of of the numbers committees to be selected from each level do you have any questions about the proposal? >> questions from the commissioners i have a couple of questions i know that ms. shake you and our staff spend a lot of time can you give us a sense of how many hours on an individual audit. >> we don't track hours but we currently don't. >> can you give me a ball park. >> we estimate each audit about three weeks. >> three weeks at 40 hours a week. >> we over lap so auditors are a not working on one anti at

that time, for example one auditor serves on the other hand, at the the commission office of audits so if an anti takes about three weeks and you're going to do 10 you're talking about thirty weeks. >> in some audits they require longer times depending on the complexity or problems that may arise. >> how come how come we scant do more with staff and thirty weeks. >> we also time to build in time to train the auditors on the campaign they've not done lobbyist audits we want them to be aware the rules to effectively audit the lobbyists

and make sure we're not backlogged so before there we want to be able to complete all the audits in a timely manner and get back to the anti processes to be sure we are auditing in a good way. >> it is important to track how long to get a sense of how many it is required thank you. >> any other questions for ms. shade. >> public comment? >> i'm bob plant hold he wanted to applaud and second trying to keep track of the motivator of

time i want to talk about my own experience i think considering you have a later work plan an individual commissioners augment to find a way to communicate with the supervisors how much work is still undone or needs to be done when you look at the chart he the randomness it is acquit possible some of the categories that have a significant number of committees would be unaudited because of the limited number of audits in the process i'll suggesting a basis for you folks to lay the ground work for next year when the mayor didn't put in money for additional staff that the supervisors knowing their say a need may generate that that's what i engineered when i was chair

i've fought and got one extra staff during willie brown's term and that was a lot of work you need more staff many of us believe and white the mayor issues the process it can increase that's not also easy whether there are competing needs but how few committees are audited and develop a strategic analysis of the clusters of committees my be overlooked in the process that requires many strategical analysis and see groups could be totally ignored that's a reason to say you ought to have more staff along with other reasons for more staff thank you. >> commissioners ray heart

director of san francisco i have a apologize i'm not as presented i ask to be retained ovrp on the interested persons list i've stopped getting the agenda and have to wonder the library does that two be that as it may i have a real question as to small business i feel should be on the list that's the friends of the san francisco public library this group engages in lobbying and provided $30,000 a year for the larger than for public relations and raise money in the name of library and a, in fact, between 2001 and this current year have expended over $70,000 in the name of san francisco and it's public library library and most of the cases had to do with

me trying to get information from the library or the library commission why they continue to approve that group and their activities without information as to where the money goes they can't account for 95 percent of the $70 million friends report to private charity group they spend more than $6,000 a year north yet what we give to the library for $375,000 that's approximately 5 percent of what we raised they spend more on their own precisions then they actually raised on above 0 of the library why aren't they on here? i mean obviously 19 cases i've one most of that p them in any way, shape, or form on the $70 million to they've raised in

the name of our public library with the approval and ac convince of the city larger than and yet those public records show those folks don't know where the money went so if you're going to put a group on the list like the san francisco chamber of commerce that does everything by the group why not the friends of the san francisco public library on here half a identifiable from what i've found not done it we'll add this the f p pc found the library for 3 consequence years accepted over 5 thousand dollars dollars worth of itemser e was required by law to report and filed in penalty of perjury a statement that filed nothing you have a head engaged in a

group i think they should be on here >> hello larry bush i would also second the question about the list whether or not it's complete of people engaged in elections who warrant being audited i guess those are the groups that have foiled they're a political committee i piloted a group friends of lib that's not a committee and the people with the lions that have put money into the parks measure they didn't folly wonder you might want to delay this with a more detailed campaign of details and not by the committees listed thank you.

>> ms. shake can you respond to that are we missing entities. >> the memo does state we exclude entities are raise less than $10,000 and we based think that on prior guidance from the commission on focusing on entities with higher levels of activities. >> okay. but understanding that exclusion of anothers do we have everybody. >> yes. >> is there a motion to select the - >> we don't need a motion. >> only volunteers from the - >> we have in a box the names

of each of the committees for each category so we we need a couple volunteers from the public to read them off and select from the box this luke entities that will be audited. >> mr. plant hold i think so. >> have him roll up his sleeves first. >> i comply. >> (inaudible). >> the group in when entities

raised or spent more than $100,000 so mr. plant hold here's the - if you could read them one by one and as you read them we'll fold them and put them in the box. >> non-stop coalition for an affordable city shall i read them all in definition or is that accurate. >> the members of the public have a list with major support from. >> stop the housing tax no one cheat. >> committee for reliable transportation and better safer street yes on a

let sf kids play yes on i no on h. >> children and family first committee yes on c committee for better wages yes on j yes on c san franciscans for safe and affordable city multiple major funders. >> yes on e choose h sf san franciscans against real estate speculation a committee for proposition g. >> san franciscans for fire

earthquake and disaster preparedness yes on a no wall on the waterfront yes on b no on b 2014 campaign for a fair committee and higher wages yes on j coalition for ava committee for prop k committee for a bright future supporting ac i j and opposing prop g and restore the proposition balance a committee in support of proposition l

reelect malia cohen for supervisor 2014 reelect mark farrell 2014 jane kim for supervisor 2014 reelect supervisor scott wiener 2014 rod resolution santos for community college board 2014 carmen chu for assessor recorded 2014 san francisco alliance for jobs in sustainable growth pack san francisco police officers association issues pack unit here local 2 pack building owners and managers association of san francisco political action committee

independent expenditures and council and lash pack alice lesbian and gay pack mayor ed lee for san francisco committee that's the last slip provided me. >> okay that's it for - >> so those are all the committees and activity level one wore to select 6 committees from this level would someone like to come up and select that for us. >> one at a time. >> would you like to read it

for us. >> mayor ed lee for san francisco committee committee for better wages yes on j no on b 2014 sponsored by san francisco alliance for jobs for sustainable growth no on the waterfront yes on prop b jane kim for supervisor 2014,

yes on e choose health san francisco. >> how many is that. >> 6 i think hold on a a second i think we have 6. >> great, thank you would you like to read the names of the next audit pool. >> a whole new set of slips. >> okay. so this is the second level of activities okay. >> okay coalition to protect golden gate park

hydra mendosa for school board 2014 sam walter for school board 2014 kaing for supervisor 2014 committee to elect steven come back for school board 2014 home share bottle for district 2 supervisor 2014 committee to elect emily murase for school board 2014 committee for jobs government reform fund san francisco labor council labor and neighbor independent

expenditure political pack national union of health care workers for quality patient care and union democracy. >> we need to select two committees from this level. >> okay. so - >> would you like to read it. >> okay. >> hydra mendosa for school board 2014. >> one more. >> ca bottle supervisor 2014. >> thank you. >> and we have one more audit

policy of campaign committees would you be kind to read those? >> this is the third and last policy okay no one else san franciscans against gridlock yes on j and g chinese progressive association committee to pass laura's law 2014 miracle murphy for school board 2014 lee sue four board of education committee to elect the committee college board 2014 reelect public defender jeff 2014 ed donald son supervisor 2014

john railways do for community college board 2014 golden state restaurant association pack san francisco for a worth sponsored by the san francisco chamber of commerce transport workers local 258 percent keep fund and sf moderates san francisco young democrat accuracy fdr democratic club of san francisco political action committee residential buildings association of san francisco pack san francisco personality political action committee, district 11 democratic club i have no more slips.

>> will you select two from this batch. >> tag team back and forth. >> okay. >> i'm bob i was commissioner in the 6 of 2000 district 11 democratic club san francisco young democrat accuracy thank you. >> so that's it for the campaign committees now move on to the lobbyists. >> similarly the lobbyists are divided two 3 levels of activities we've select committees from those 3 levels

two from the highest level and one each from the next level again, we need volunteers. >> san francisco chamber of commerce reuben, junius & rose llp appoint associates glad advisors peterson hayward and associates, sf aa b m w l l and partners inc. and

ss associates. >> okay. so we need a volunteer to select two from this group. >> la point and associates, san francisco chamber of commerce. >> thank you will you read the next level. >> so for this pacific gas and

electric company committee on jobs building owners and management association of san francisco, berg davis public affairs, hanson 3wrig9 llp round floor public affairs louses 92 vin coalition for better housing public advocacy partners. >> okay. please select one from this group.

>> hanson brigitte llp okay. so the last level. >> okay michael yeah. key andrew greg, airbnb barbary coast consulting karen flood bay bio trust company of the west,

edward day t z k broadway, llc fisher man's property llp brooding cast capital, llc and the strategy communications fritz could systems inc. phillip lessor r l braun and matt he will.

>> willie brown. >> james ross long law valero consulting inc. john newman. >> thank you select one. >> just one. >> okay. >> airbnb. >> great thanks that complements our selection process. >> thank you, ms. shay and to

the public for your assistance two former commissioners can't get better than that the next item on the agenda is discussion and possible action for the project calendar for various staff projects you want to talk about that one. >> yes. sxhour and commissioners and thank you deputy director at the last meeting the commission approved four proposals for staff to pursue and investigate in terms of augmenting the city campaign finance ordinance and given sort of you know the choices and sort of the amount of work involved the commission directed united states to prepare a project calendar that estimated sort of how much time and the type of

work into each particular project and then to bring that forward to the commission for comment, approval and certainly suggestions and ultimately direction as your thoughts to that calendar along the way also the commission did excuse to start mostly on one particular proposal that was the proposal regarding mechanic ballet measure and the general purpose committees and applying limits and prohibitions we did the language we reached out to a few folks to get feedback and identified one issue you'll talk about a little bit later but ultimately getting started so in developing this calendar though one thing i thought would be helpful would be there are through a variety of ways