most important the individual line items may need flexibility and you need latitude to do that. >> i respectfully sdprau we had a timeline to be approved if there's a difference so i come to the meeting expecting a proposal on a certain date maybe some notification or you say you're not going to be in it for those reasons but of a sense all those parts are coming together understanding 38 they might not be met but an exception of a timeline you guys produce and we approve. >> just to give you some prospective on why the program we give you schedules and try to meet the schedules but if something come up you have to readjust the schedule we don't build something because of

schedule but try to build it the right way the major issue we want to launch the program at that date that's my goal is to launch it on this date if we have to take another week to make sure we have the right legislation i'll do that and try to recover on that date for me that's the most important thing i'm committed in delivering programs so you know we may miss a date you know on the bay tunnel we delivered the bay tunnel for me this is something that you know i'm committed in doing i judge have to have the latitude to make the right decisions without getting on each of one of the items because we didn't know we were assuming what it was we didn't know that the mayor had issues we had to look and see when we asked the

authority what did harvey rose say so we figured out not a bad budget analyst report so taking the extra time i think puts us in a better position so - >> further comments. >> the third item i was going to present if i may the sneak peak on what is up in the next couple weeks we're reaching out to stakeholder and accident citizens advisory committee for feedback on the proposed principally program design we'll, bringing that to you once we receive the feedback on april 14th we've advanced on the schedule the late fairness board interaction we'll be meeting with them on april 17th to have them provide us with - to

present to them excuse me. the program design and not to exposed the rates for the program and hope they'll be comfortable acting either then or shortly thereafter we were successful in getting that calendar it was the stakeholders outreach the week of april 6th a productive to the commission of the program design april 14th and not to exceed rates on the 17th so that's just some of the activities we'll be peru have the timeline a lot of other things happening but those restraining order the things we're highlighting for your thank you very much. >> before you leave the podium any other questions or comments i have a question and this just sort of going back in history for me

i'm going to question the value of buying power contracts 10 years and out which if i understood you correctly is what you're saying you're looking for 10 year $10 million contract that is something that i will reserve for comments later and i'll be happy to talk about it. >> just if we are trying to establish a set price for a longer period of time if you enter into a purchase power agreement if you know how much the power costs for a long term you minimize your risk because you're in the to the market or in the realm of power prices so i think that is what you want to

do but not put too much of the power in long-term because if the price comes it is too expensive you have to manage the risk of long-term and short-term power purchase agreements and i quite agree want to add that 10 years a long time i've said when i wanted to say. >> thank you. >> i just on the local 261 so it is going to go to the fair rates board on the 17. >> yes. >> our next commission meeting where harlan won't be here on the 18th of april. >> that's when we are presenting the program design and and a sense of what the rates look like goes to the fairness board. >> correct. >> and by then the legislation will be introduced at the board okay. so that should get us on

the elements of the timeline and one other pious on the telling meeting what the stakeholder to discuss the precipitates. >> that's the week of april 6th we'll be presenting before we present program design and not to exceed rates here and at rate fairness we're proposing to talk with the stakeholders so that will be a step ahead of presenting to you. >> great. >> thanks. >> and but to our point that's not the only time we'll be talking about this. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. >> does that conclude our - >> yes. >> report now i'm going to ask for. mr. brooks hello >> good afternoon, commissioners i was going to tall one water a little bit i need to forego that and talk

about community choices i'll say by the way the stakeholder process that was mentioned didn't include the community advocates only the stakeholders that the mayor come up we need to get the stakeholder meeting to run the program to initiate to work with staff and contractors to make sure the program coming out properly and is robust on timeline issues i have to say i'm not compelled by the general manager kelly said about the perspective that his i've worked on prevention through city hall it can be amended as it moves to the committee and city hall process even the board of supervisors itself there's no reason that legislation can't get off the ground on schedule as it is on

the timeline and concerns raised latter while amended the legislation to fit those concerns claiming should not be an option this is not community crisis is not a community project that has no competition it has competition from pg&e and there are political issues around community choice being b being we need to get the program approved before the election this november so we can't be slipping on the timelines and i would add with the not to exceed rate that we need to make sure at the next meeting on april 14th that you folks as a commission are saying to staff that okay. today we're going to tell you to send those not to exceed rates that match pg&e brown pourn a rates to the

ratepayer i forgot the name of the board. >> the fairness board so there's no delay on that when we're seeing staff asking for details anything that can be accelerated needs to be accelerated that means if we accelerate taking not to exceed rates to the fairness board we needed freed need to do that more quickly if we don't get the rates pushed in the papers before pg&e roles out it's program and talks about it presumably great rate to market the product we'll be behind the eight ball marketing to the public it is really important for us to move the timeline forward and not let timeline sliej happen because of the timeline this program fads.

>> thanks. >> thank you good afternoon. >> good afternoon. i'm the conservation program for about the charter of the sierra club thank you for the general manager hail for presenting this and moving up the timeline not to exceed the fairness board i didn't hear a plan in the sneak peak what that's coming back to the commission on april 28th that would be great also wanted to give you a heads-up i've seen something about a protest being planned at city hall on april 14th i'd like to have the meeting where we look at the practice writing program design that may i think the plan to shut down the building from 2:00 to 4:00 p.m. i want to have that meeting and have this discussion wanted to

give you a heads-up for plans for that thanks. >> what's the protest. >> what's the protest. >> i got invited to an event on facebook to shut down city hall from 2:00 to 4:00 p.m. i can send you more information but that could cause problems for starting the meeting on time but still have the meeting on april 14th. >> jason chief financial officer for lass could first of all, congratulations to the gentleman for the interim position officially i thought he was in the position i bugged him for weeks i want to get to the timelines first of all thank you to the puc for moving up the

meeting in the middle of april that's a good move and smart the one piece i'm nerves but that was the rid critical timeline section the rates board was moving one thing up potential details in the critical line item of the legislative that his as plain clothes officers said it is alleged going through the process one of the things there is a progress that the board of not perfect on die one we don't want to rush but there are ways to getting the process started getting the big picture items out what you're looking like if it's changes here and there you can do that with the general big picture getting started as quickly as possible i want to push not only your staff but the

city attorney's office to make sure we get something that will be introduced at the techniques board meeting it is critical and needed and finally on the meeting with the stakeholder groups that was something that the mayor's office see office requested i've submitted names that includes accident advocates to the puc staff and it should be included not one small sector of groups my understanding correct me if i am wrong it is meant for anyone who is interested should be at the meeting and putting the invitations will be sent out i'll be working with the staff to make sure that people are there it is critical to have 311 in the room and where things should be done in the future that's where we are at thank you. >> thank you. >> comment. >> yeah. i just in thinking

about this stakeholder engagement pious it is so critical i don't know where it is ultimately coming in the land or extraordinarily affairs we're mandatory to do a certain amount of the nature of the program with the outreach the sooner the better we'll engage the community members and all variety of people to understand the nature of that program and what's coming down the pike so i don't see the communication stream plan in this timeline it would be great to get updates regularly on the strategies to engage stakeholders who the people are i don't understand if it's the mayors appointed group or the advocates or who that body see i think you know the quicker we can make the broad

circle of engaged community members the better. >> i totally agree we need to engage the folks and have regular updates so i do agree that the legislation is on the critical path so maybe what we do is every two weeks we'll update you on the schedule to save time we've give you an update on the schedule by the way, the launch date you don't want to e slip and we'll save time one last point i wanted to make when we talk about you know lack of light green the initial offers that everyone has to opt out on we're talking about the

green aversion people have to opt in per diem what they talk about raising the pummeling their competing on the greener one; right? so that's why for me it's important for us to talk about the greener ones should look like that helps determine the price on that and so for me that's what is important doss because we know what the price is the basic one at the pg&e price now it is and our product is going to be green eerie wanted to point out. >> on that note do you think we'll able to approve not to exceed both versions on the timeline and we're going to definitely do that i just wanted to make sure that like you said we need to get a robust you know

communications and outreach so that everyone can comment on it. >> question mr. kelly how do we know what the light green rate is going to be for pg&e we're making an assumption we don't know for sure. >> right now pg&e doesn't have a light green they're having a brown rate which is 25 percent returnable and we're looking at 3233 like marin we can offer that at the same price pg&e is offering their 25 percent so our product will be greener the same price and the beauty is those people will automatically be in our program we talk about their martha they're marketing the

greener product and having people opt into that program we'll have those folks in your program so for me we have an advantage i'd like to move both the products once you have an opportunity to communicate with the rate fairs or the customers we would like to give them opportunity to convince them to sign into the greener product at the same time their automatically coming out our program that's what i want to do is give them a choice you can going come into our promissory note program or opt into a greener program with more build outs so we need to define that that is how i'd like to you know market it because and i think waiting once they're in a

program it is hard for them to move because we've seen that many merry run it is less than 10 percent people opt into a greener plan i'd like to really you know try to go in the double digits to do more build outs with one hundred percent renewable. >> i agree except for the fact i can't in my mind that we know what the new program for pg&e the light green rate will be we don't really. >> they didn't have a light green. >> that's the dark green their coming out with it is equivalent. >> it goes up in increments. >> my understanding okay they're going to offer one

hundred percent renewable and we're calculating because we kind of know how the claugsdz that's one hundred percent but you can say i'd like to have one hundred percent rushld for 50 percent of my usage so; is that correct. >> is that how it goes. >> it's different how green is you want your total bill to be is one hundred percent of renewable what's the portion of your usage you know do you want it 50 percent of your usage you want to use green we really need to figure out you know how they're marketing so we can put our greener in a executive position. >> so is their lowest. >> i don't know what narrowing lowest usage. >> the lowest is because service the standard rp s target of 25 percent today

and then the green terrace jim kelly was describing would give the consumers the ability to start at 50 percent and go up to one hundred percent. >> and we don't know if the dark greener option is going to how that's going to price out at the green fair; right? and question don't but we were active in the gp c where pg&e requested approval and pummeling provided a lessor rates their rates are based on costs we have a prugd idea where to start as time marched on they've got new projects with new costs we have a general idea and those prices were pushed over the next

several months we'll have a clear idea what they're to be charging they'll be foiling their letter in early may. >> we don't know if we are going to be able to beat those prices. >> yeah. >> and set a limit not to exceed. >> exactly. >> we can set a not to exceed rate it will be adjusted coming in below that and talk about what we're doing with the revenues from that program; right? to give us flexibility and the other thing when you looked at your schedule we don't know the rates until we actually go out with the rfps; right? we're going in the market and kind of see what the numbers but until we go out with the rfp and determine the proposals we get

we can't even though you know the price. >> yeah. if i can add it is a cost restraint we're going to the mantling and find out if we'll receive bids from the contractors bidders. >> point of clarification not to exceed rate we're talking about include the dark green? >> we're proposing it would. >> two rates. >> the logic we can move quickly on the not to exceed rate was that basically not to exceed pg&e rates i just don't know if we know enough to include the not to exceed rates for the dark green and first of all, we feel that with again, if we offer our light green it

matches pg&e's basic service ours will be greener those people will automatically be enrolled in our program so we feel the impact for the rate payers by the consumers would be negotiable. >> so not to exceed for that service is pretty clear that's why they should move quickly. >> that's correct, however it would be novice to have both options on the table as you go out with the required outreach you can then offer this other greener priority at the same time so people can opt in so we can do it all at one time that's why we're trying to push to find out what pg&e's number is to set the not to exceed price bans our calculations so we can probably

do that you know in the time we're talking about but the details is you know working and getting the prices so we're necessarily know what's in that number. >> so how can we do that without going out with an rfp. >> the theme we've talked about not to exceed price until we actually went on the market like for example, we may want to explain with when we had shell; right? you want to - >> with shelf we were dealing with indicative prices even under the shell there of the uncertainty to the final rates of pricing we'll have to strict a quick integral to sfichl up the rates the intent of during that period of time not to

exceed rate. >> so we've always had a not to exceed rate and when we went to shell they would give us pricing if it was lower than the not to exceed we could move forward but if it went over this we'll tell shelf to go back that's the purpose of the not to exceed rate. >> so what is purpose of it now. >> it is the same thing we have to go on the market to do the rfps to get what the rate would be it's the same things we don't have shell to do it we have 80 do it ourselves. >> okay. >> sorry about that. >> (laughter). no problem at all it is great to go last everything has been said i'm jed i'm the the board of 350 san francisco i would like to

talk about the great things said before i think that it is great we're going to the rate fairness board earlier and hope those could be on the april 28th meeting we're expecting the letter from penguin on may 10th according to our timeline so i think the medium landscaper is for the most part in his mind great to match pg&e's power rate with the program as quickly as possible i hope that state will not be the same prices as pg&e that's innovate sexy it is sexier to say cheaper than pg&e but so cheaper and cleaner is what i want to say to folks they both start with c. (laughter) the other thing i agree we have an advantage by having everyone

in the program as the municipality but the reason it was built that way is because on the one side of the scale is a very well combefrnd and wealthy entry with a lot of ties to the regularity down the street the moment the amount of money that will be levy i didn't do to try to take people away from us is inclaubl they can call people on the phone and say to opt out just call that number push two they can really, really go for it we shouldn't be blind about the fact we're going to have all those folks and you know they're going to definitely stick with light green we need to do everything we can the sexiest plan i hate to say that at a

public meeting and last point on the timeline from the meeting in which you approved that it was stated you might be able to move the process up a month earlier so absorb a month i hope those things can be done thank you very much existed to be here >> i hope you haven't put us on the "x" rated commission. >> do i have any other comments from the public seeing none the next item, please. >> item 9 a sewer system program quarterly update. >> good afternoon, commissioners commissioner president caen

karen king from the wastewater project can you bring up the slides i'm here to give the quarterly update we'll talk about program wide and some of the projects in project design and follow-up with the construction update and our stakeholder update status at this point everything is in planning and design and moving forward well consistency we have 62 projects that are moving as you can see the list in planning and preplanning we're van that every month right now 5 projects in construction the expenditures from the $2.7 million it is .1, 2, 3 billion dollars that's been extended to 44 that the 6 as we get into construction with more and more projects that will pick up greatly.