and, in fact, the executive director tries to find a reason to deny me assess and holds hearing while i'm out of state well, mr. heart you're a broken record would any of you going before the 19 hears not be lblth be disturbed that the body that's supposed to do a damn thing to try people think this is a liberal i go to the american legion in florida everyone they say san francisco oh liberals liberals i think they'll be shocked to release the free speech are not

redirect i was interrupted in my public comment once again still you do nothing at all i'm not the only citizen there are a lot of others wondering why to go to the task force when you're going to block whatever they do. >> mr. marty one other suggestion on the calendar we keep k it a running calendar and sort of to the extent we make decisions about things that need to be added so you guys keep it up to date that will be helpful for all of us. >> as we put in the memo the

intention as we check in to - things happy obviously we want to keep people abbreviate. >> the next is the election of officers discussion and possible action for the president and vice chair. >> before we go to that what was the results of the draft language that had been submitted. >> sure well, so there is the draft language its straightforward the commission doesn't have to make a decision right now but certainly we'll explore a variety of the options the one thing we want to highlight is that the discussion to this point is about limiting or prohibiting contributions to ballot measure committees for general purpose committees there are actually, two separate

different types of committees that can be controlled one a committee for election to the central committee the democratic party in san francisco we're prohibited by express state law from putting mia any limits on so we can't do that but the legal defense fund which are essentially fund that are opened by a candidate when that he or she is facing legal action with they're running for office a perform of a duty currently those also there's no limit either so the decision would be whether we would move those expand those prohibitions to

expand those are committees we're only aware of one committee that is a legal defense one that is opened but presumably saying the rational may or may not apply the same rational applies but considerations as to whether the commission thinks that as a policy matter not explores those limits or restrictions what. >> what reaps would there be to not include the legal defense fund. >> that is speaking hypothetically you know one reason perhaps is that running for office is you know you can't set user up you're a public person and people use a lot of means to attack you and litigation if you're limit in

our ability if you don't have money using your limit to raise funds to put up a credible defense that might discourage people from running from office that's things to think about. >> commissioner renne did you want to vote on that. >> i gather that it make sense to be further down the road in our analysis for example, the question that was raised by mr. bush if a committee for a proposition and one of the candidate is very active did that make that candidates controlled committee even though it is set up not under his or

her subscription those should be spelled out a little bit. >> so and i know we're going to have plenty other hearings on this general topic what constitutes a committee the local law state law of the controlled committee so there's a provision of the independence and in addition 9 f pbc has issued letters who what constitutes a controlled committee there is something we'll follow here locally in san francisco we'll certainly talk about that later. >> thank you. >> anything else on agenda item 5 the next is the election of

officers. >> commissioners we traditionally choose a chairman and then once the chair opens the floor any commissioner may nominate another commissioner or a commissioner may no time him or home sharer they don't need a second. >> i want to start by that's why my fellow commissioner for allowing me to have 3 terms thank you to the staff for their hard work and effort and public for indulging that me i look for new leadership now open up for nominations for chair for the coming year. >> commissioner keane. >> yes. mr. chairman in light of the fact you don't want to be nominated for chair i nominate

commissioner renne for chair. >> any other nominations for chair? okay hearing none public comment? >> commissioner ray heart for open government we need someone that will lead and i don't mean financial every time you try to find someone from illegally using money for illegal campaigns they'll find a way i'd like someone that makes an effort to do some of the things and you've neglect under the current lisp so such as enforcing the sunset ordinance people think they have a right

to go to a public hearing and until the shut hits the fan and told they're not allowed to i have a list of 19 or they tried try to get public records and denied those by people that know under the law they have a requirement to provide it yet for 8 years i've been coming to theometers with lip service to our responsibility of enforcing the sunset ordinance like on tonight agenda one case from the sunset task force ion they've gotten to the point they don't see to send e send it to you and purposing to protect other people in positions of authorized here in san francisco those 19 cases that i won were individual that knew their responsibility under the law like the city librarian x he

didn't want to take hundreds of thousands of gifts when he foiled his files it was penalty of perjury he filed saying i got nothing it was thousands of dollars of travel and hotel diversities he took and when i tried to get the public records he held them for two years got the city attorney's office and they couldn't give the records up they were found in violation i want to see someone on the commission that wants to do more than just playing around with campaign finance you have the responsibility to enforce the sunset ordinance i've not heard one member deny that fact to the responsibility of the majority of san franciscans the majority of the citizens will question

why you third year think campaign financing is important when you can't get people to release financial records if citizens don't have a right to know everywhere else goes by the way and this is no lisp from mr. her. >> larry bush two points one many of you are new in terms of last year or two commissioner renne hears what people have to say it was very much appreciated and the second thing the commission has been taking steps forward with the new i know what you call it a dashboard that allows people to act take a closer look at how

money is coming into city hall that speaks well, where you'll be going next and commissioner renne away's raised did issues of the expenditures for lobbyists i was disappointed i couldn't come and talk i was in the civil grand jury and took a 54 of slowdowns i know you want me to do that again, i will not (laughter) >> okay. is there another motion to elect scomplaern as chair. >> all in favor that motion passes 5 to zero congratulations commissioner renne elections for vice chair

commissioner keane. >> yes. i'd like to nominate commissioner andrews. >> are there any other nominations for vice chair public comment. >> commissioners ray heart inform san francisco open heart i'm in favor of commissioner andrews to serve as vice chair i've gone through several times and looked at the video of the hearing that was held on my matter referred by the sunset ordinance task force and the only two people that asked questions were commissioner keane and commissioner andrews i said is there any way of using the audio video equipment without extend $42,000 and the

city librarian lied to him is no other way all they had to do was take the slides i know they got them and included the private individuals like the friends the san francisco public library it tomatoes not commissioner andrews fault that i guess he did what most people do listened to the department heads and assumed he wouldn't lie especially on not television i say that without fear of contradiction it was proven commissioner andrews has shown a on several occasions to ask questions that really need to be asked i would have been controvertible with commissioner keane because he's a great

advocate for from the expression and first amendment rights i've yet to see that take real effect but again commissioner andrews i think will serve as vice chair very effectively and i at least have some hope that he will take into account that the issues of the public i will point out that very often members of the public who get involved in city council like the sunset posse have given up on they don't come here because they know you're not going to respond and you're not required to respond to my public commissioner lee's comment your your stimulated to contempt i'll ietsz telling that i say one thing that make you look bad and

no one says anything in response maybe the vice chair will get something more than commissioner hur gets ridiculous looks at. >> is there a motion to elect commissioner andrews as the vice chair. >> so moved. >> all in favor, say i. i. >> hearing no one that motion passes congratulations. >> the next item a discussion and possible action on the minutes. >> commissioner. we found one last minute tip on and on 0 on page 6 under the top of the page the first paragraph the third to the last line read he stated that chapter two 8 is not

limited it should be linked. >> any other changes public comment that is is there a motion to do you want the minutes. >> second. >> second. >> all in favor, say i. hearing none that motion passes. >> next on the agenda is at the director's report. >> just one on the language assess ordinance we processed the paperwork to translate the

documents translator as soon as the paperwork is forehand or favored they'll send the documents to the translator so we'll have documents in this year. >> can i ask in terms of the percentage of documents that we are talking about what percentage that might be that will get done this year. >> at least half. >> thank you. >> yeah. >> and when i have those exact numbers of the money we have and by next month i'll have the number of documents but we step up to the plate to have one hundred percent done from the calendar year from now if not sooner. >> thank you. >> any questions for mr. sincroy in the director's report. >> thanks under chair mr. sincroy under the

enforcement summaries the stipulation that chris jackson entered into will take care of numbers two and three. >> those are an additional. >> only an additional. >> a she means to of violations 235i or fines for filings. >> and number 2 from 2011. >> i believe that's the one from court agreement on. >> okay. >> i had a comment about this document and i know i can't but i want to make sure when we are doing this work particularly in the timeline on all the documents that could. to the commission particularly open any of the

complaint that are outstanding and pending in any such documents that find themselves at the commission. >> right. >> sorry by away of theirs we're timely handling those. >> that's correct. >> that's written. >> so just under the lobbyist pro-program in your report it says as of march 15, 19th street 26 are registered on the audit not near one hundred and 26. >> that was from last year i'm sorry could you - so in terms of the chu's who we choose to audit we chose by firm as opposed to by individual lobbyists because

the reason that was chosen really our mandate to do one lobbyist we thought 4 would be more appropriate we thought when the lobbyist report if there are other lobbyists sometimes the reporting overlaps one lobbyist may not report any income they can have if there's 3 lobbyists one can report all the firms income so we didn't liquor want to choose somebody and it turns out they have no protect but another person recorded the income to in terms of lobbyists we choose by firm if there are 3 lobbyists we'll actually audit all 3 of the lobbyists and if there's a firm where it is just one person putting out their

tare shingle. >> any other questions for the executive order public comment? >> commissioners ray heart for san francisco open government the report you're talking about is on the screen and down there at the very bottom it says sunset ordinance the interesting thing about the executive report there is nothing there but a number never an explanation what is glen eagle being done or not just nothing so i got up here i thought maybe the general public should know the rocket for enforcing the century ordinance rests with the body i had second thoughts i thought good they do recognize that for a second

years literally years has begun by i'm not the only one with ordered not reinforced and can't get you to do a darn thing about them and by doing so whether you want to admit it you protect the officials that are committing of all the evidence the city librarian was accepting thousands of dollars i brought that to the commission so did other members of the public we had to personally go to sacramento to get them to do anything and yet to get an explanation from the city librarian why we filed a statement under the penalty of perjury and allowed and said he got nothing and why he withheld records to how wide that fact

and to protect the library commission to protect it arrangement $70 million and they don't know where the hell that went and you sit there and look which is what you do you sit and look and don't say anything i my case a whole bunch of statements and at any time one can stand up and show i'm wrong only problem they can't because i'm not and they think hey if i sit quote and say nothing long enough it will go away but it's not i missed being i was in florida and i will be here until you get off our asss whether will anyone

ever you tell me the law didn't say you're supposed to enforce the ordinance no because you can't that's what the law say the question is why aren't you enforcing that. >> next item on the agenda is item for future meetings. >> any proposals from the commissioners? public comment? >> ray heart san francisco open government when ask one of you going to step up to defend the rights of citizens of the san francisco to go to a public meeting await being harassed or beacknowledged or disparaged by the boards we have the right to respond bow not the right to shut people up i went to a

library commission and she said you can't talk about that you can only tube what we put on the agenda in terms of if it's not on the agenda you can't talk about that the task force ruled against the police officer commission tried to tell me i was not loutd allowed to talk about whatnot on the agenda he told me to shut up it's amazing in a city like san francisco think that you have the right to speak until i start to put your fist into someone's rice bowl we called it in hawaii and the city librarian is supposed to be putting down finances on his form one of you say going to say

oh, my god that's terrible that is even worse that the private citizens had to go to sacramento why? because you're here to protect the people that appoint you i have news as far as i am concerned the middle eastern minute you took the oath of office you work with or for the citizens of san francisco and represent their interests and their interests alone and allowing an appointed officials a strident head to accept thousands of dollars from a group and do nothing about it your told point blank by the members of the public it is urban consciously like supervisor farrell when we went with them approving the annual appropriation we raised the same issues i alexander acted like there was nothing wrong with that and used emphasis office to

withhold public records he voted that the the full board of supervisors approve the appropriation without having him or hi staff look at a single document they not limited to that and came forward and said he didn't give mr. heart anything because we didn't have anything they recommended to the full board of supervisors they approve the proimgdz without looking at the appropriation what it was unbelievable but i sit there with blank looks at in our icy wonder about you guys. >> is there a motion to adjourn the meeting. >> second. >> in favor. >> i. >> meeting is adjourned