>> that's the dark green their coming out with it is equivalent. >> it goes up in increments. >> my understanding okay they're going to offer one hundred percent renewable and we're calculating because we kind of know how the claugsdz that's one hundred percent but you can say i'd like to have one hundred percent rushld for 50 percent of my usage so; is that correct. >> is that how it goes. >> it's different how green is you want your total bill to be is one hundred percent of renewable what's the portion of your usage you know do you want it 50 percent of your usage you want to use green we really need to figure out you know how they're marketing so we can put our greener in a executive

position. >> so is their lowest. >> i don't know what narrowing lowest usage. >> the lowest is because service the standard rp s target of 25 percent today and then the green terrace jim kelly was describing would give the consumers the ability to start at 50 percent and go up to one hundred percent. >> and we don't know if the dark greener option is going to how that's going to price out at the green fair; right? and question don't but we were active in the gp c where pg&e requested approval and pummeling provided a lessor rates their rates are based on costs we have a prugd

idea where to start as time marched on they've got new projects with new costs we have a general idea and those prices were pushed over the next several months we'll have a clear idea what they're to be charging they'll be foiling their letter in early may. >> we don't know if we are going to be able to beat those prices. >> yeah. >> and set a limit not to exceed. >> exactly. >> we can set a not to exceed rate it will be adjusted coming in below that and talk about what we're doing with the revenues from that program; right? to give us flexibility and the other thing when you looked at your schedule we don't

know the rates until we actually go out with the rfps; right? we're going in the market and kind of see what the numbers but until we go out with the rfp and determine the proposals we get we can't even though you know the price. >> yeah. if i can add it is a cost restraint we're going to the mantling and find out if we'll receive bids from the contractors bidders. >> point of clarification not to exceed rate we're talking about include the dark green? >> we're proposing it would. >> two rates. >> the logic we can move quickly on the not to exceed rate was that basically not to

exceed pg&e rates i just don't know if we know enough to include the not to exceed rates for the dark green and first of all, we feel that with again, if we offer our light green it matches pg&e's basic service ours will be greener those people will automatically be enrolled in our program so we feel the impact for the rate payers by the consumers would be negotiable. >> so not to exceed for that service is pretty clear that's why they should move quickly. >> that's correct, however it would be novice to have both options on the table as you go out with the required outreach you can then offer this other greener priority at the same time so people can opt in so we

can do it all at one time that's why we're trying to push to find out what pg&e's number is to set the not to exceed price bans our calculations so we can probably do that you know in the time we're talking about but the details is you know working and getting the prices so we're necessarily know what's in that number. >> so how can we do that without going out with an rfp. >> the theme we've talked about not to exceed price until we actually went on the market like for example, we may want to explain with when we had shell; right? you want to - >> with shelf we were dealing with indicative prices even under the shell there of the

uncertainty to the final rates of pricing we'll have to strict a quick integral to sfichl up the rates the intent of during that period of time not to exceed rate. >> so we've always had a not to exceed rate and when we went to shell they would give us pricing if it was lower than the not to exceed we could move forward but if it went over this we'll tell shelf to go back that's the purpose of the not to exceed rate. >> so what is purpose of it now. >> it is the same thing we have to go on the market to do the rfps to get what the rate would be it's the same things we don't have shell to do it we have 80 do it ourselves.

>> okay. >> sorry about that. >> (laughter). no problem at all it is great to go last everything has been said i'm jed i'm the the board of 350 san francisco i would like to talk about the great things said before i think that it is great we're going to the rate fairness board earlier and hope those could be on the april 28th meeting we're expecting the letter from penguin on may 10th according to our timeline so i think the medium landscaper is for the most part in his mind great to match pg&e's power rate with the program as quickly as possible i hope that state will not be the same prices as pg&e that's innovate sexy it is sexier to

say cheaper than pg&e but so cheaper and cleaner is what i want to say to folks they both start with c. (laughter) the other thing i agree we have an advantage by having everyone in the program as the municipality but the reason it was built that way is because on the one side of the scale is a very well combefrnd and wealthy entry with a lot of ties to the regularity down the street the moment the amount of money that will be levy i didn't do to try to take people away from us is inclaubl they can call people on the phone and say to opt out just call that number push two they can really, really go for it we shouldn't be blind about

the fact we're going to have all those folks and you know they're going to definitely stick with light green we need to do everything we can the sexiest plan i hate to say that at a public meeting and last point on the timeline from the meeting in which you approved that it was stated you might be able to move the process up a month earlier so absorb a month i hope those things can be done thank you very much existed to be here >> i hope you haven't put us on the "x" rated commission. >> do i have any other comments from the public seeing none the

next item, please. >> item 9 a sewer system program quarterly update. >> good afternoon, commissioners commissioner president caen karen king from the wastewater project can you bring up the slides i'm here to give the quarterly update we'll talk about program wide and some of the projects in project design and follow-up with the construction update and our stakeholder update status at this point everything is in planning and design and moving forward well consistency we have 62 projects that are moving as you can see the list in planning and preplanning we're van that every month right now 5 projects in construction the expenditures

from the $2.7 million it is .1, 2, 3 billion dollars that's been extended to 44 that the 6 as we get into construction with more and more projects that will pick up greatly. >> commissioner moran i'll get into our question so on a program wise basis we're working on the south west plant in 2018 we're going to voluntary 8 different construction projects on the 040 acre site it is very impactful we're currently analyzing the electrical demand for the future our future projects and actually also talking to pg&e as well as our power enterprise about the power we have initiate a site management committee and that's the group that alongside all the

staging areas and what is a shut down going to occur that includes the maintenance and engineering as well as the program staff. we're identifying the adjacent property to get arrangements for the parcels during the construction for people to have their trailers that impact minimally the neighborhood and for oceanside the purpose of up front planning to make sure they go as well as possible we plan carefully so our construction can go well, we begin to look at the small business jobs analysis looked like purpose to determine what jobs and what trades will be needed in the future we held a violationing working group out of my comfort zone but a lot of

planners and architects came together to look out out to integrate the southeast plan and we'll bring this to you and talking with the working group on how the plans came forward >> the preconstruction those jars are a good example i'm sure you're aware of we're working on the heads work that's where they convert into the plant our alternative analysis we're in the conceptual phrase and we'll begin our environmental review we hoped for rain we're looking at two pilot studies side by side for the bay area improvement projects that are our tunnel we're looking at the connection between the great infrastructure and continuing on

the novels and taking a recommendation to the executive management to get started and the bio sold it moving atm crews were here and walked through did analysis outcome that is moving along on schedule their many conceptual engineering and have begun the project descriptions to kickoff our ceqa pubically. >> pardon me. >> before you leave this slide so conceptual engineering will be completed by september. >> so that middle bullet is the tunnel that's itself bay area system it is a tunnel a comprehensive water shed evaluation of the hillside so many things have changed such a hard gray area a lot of times we quoted the approximate but the

reason we started f that project was seismic to replace a channel that starts the channel station to 280 looking at the end of admission creek and takes side loads through the plant so discount flows the presidio and marina 80 percent of the flow to the southeast that's what trails them in and that asset is sitting there vulnerable. >> right you said that was going to go to senior martin luthern king, jr. and conceptual engineering i'm hoping there is steps in between i want to understand what our option are you know your analyzing them. >> just to clarify what the commission approved was feats one phase one was a

preconstruction we'll have to come to the commission because this is above the $2.7 million to approve so i think what we're trying to do is get our arms around we we feel is the best alternative to present to the commission and welcome to invite any of the commissioners that want to participate to get a better understanding because we will make a presentation to the commission more of a high-level so just wanted to clarify the construction of this alternative or whatever we select has not been funded. >> okay. i know this is a major ticket prissy really want to understand pretty well we'll do it off-line the option and, of course, i know the greenest option understanding the seismic concerns and it is immediate

needs that needs to be addressed i'm concerned. >> thank you, commissioner i know we did a briefing on the water shed as well as the tunnel to look at the green and i think that we'll be shortly at a time to sit down and if i may sit down and go through the information. >> great thanks. >> back to the slides. >> preconstruction currently, we have 7 green projects in planning and design and we're a week away from completing the first, the wiggle face one applied for loan money for the green infrastructure project which is exciting and have this on the last agenda it is for the funding the state will be here on thursday and have a tour and

weigh talk with them our water shed is continuing we did a 2k4ri7b9 effort and coming up came up with the report we've competing the west side and the sides of the city will be into a prioritized plan that involves the executive gray assets and things like the extra improvement project and basement to the channel town hall construction wise we have one under construction and 8 digestsers operating we have started work at the staugs and i mentioned the wiggle we have more and more projects going out to bid and going into the fold on the stakeholder side we had a big month we talked about the water shed and large-scale

community event to talk about sf i p and all the projects we're working on and had all the project manager it was a banner year in terms of getting people out to the ssi p we have over 15 and 1.8 million people looking at the website we have a lot of increase in the tours that's people slowing down and smelling and connecting waterways to all the work we do and we're never one to be stuck in a box we have had our students our ssi p interims develop a music video a route about wastewater the worldwide launch will be tomorrow at 430 we're expecting

it to be a full house with live talent there as well and i'm hoping you guys can make it i think we invited most of you. >> i skipped our answer 80 so i want to get back to the commissioner moran about the program risks we've gone through the risk assessment and identified the mitigation strategies and risk owners and do a workshop for instance, one major go risk a lot of work of works being planned and a lot of capital plans we're looking at water capital and the wastewater capital and transportation capital we're concerned to get big bids and contractors available the concern you addressed about they're being enough engineering firms and engineering talent there's other

risks to keep the plants operational but that strategy could be in a correspond dense. >> we could do that or make another presentation to talk about how to deal with that this is a good experience how to identify the risks and what we do to mitigate the risks and find values for risks to determine the severity of the risks. >> on a product basis we'll do the risk assessment when we get dot engineering and have an idea what the project alternative is. >> part of my interests first of all, everything is an important experience its been helpful to me and the commission to be able to put stuff into the context so a request for the

contingency allocation it relates to the profile and as the projects continue we'll see the doctors i think it helps to makes sense out a lot of stuff if you see only one pious it is hard to conceptual lists so a presentation will be helpful in working that into the regular structure as well would be very helpful. >> we're meeting are the regulators with about our future and like the water system we don't have spare assets we'll be running at working facilities that's pretty challenging. >> i want to thank mr. cruz for his teamwork he's brought folks from the outside and we'll miss him terribly we'll be in denial

until the last moment i'll be on my experience bike and wherever he goes he'll be a rock star. >> over denial comes anger. >> i have a pocket sized pad for the schedules and commissioner moran will e-mail yourselves. >> thank you one other thing while 0 we will we're on the subject i want us to look at we have an item on the consent calendar it is basically to do the tenth amendment to a contract and part of the reason for that is working in the environment you've talked about everything is up and running at the same time, you run into circumstances you didn't anticipate with that said that number of contract amendments a

problematic you bid on one scope of work and it's hard to insure we're getting the right price for the products being built i'd like to have a third party i don't know if this is part of our program or whether it is a separate effort to have a third party look at the processes that we use for scoping promotions and doing conceptual engineering and also transitioning into how we bid and manage projects to make sure the people are following the best practices and you may need to spend more time and i'm holy that it is before you write the final design spec so i'd like to almost all of this program is dealing with

those kinds of difficult situations i'd hate to get into a situation we have perpetual contract so i want to make sure our practices are good. >> we definitely can do that it is i think for the prevention the program a large portion of the work is although being done in a plant that is going to be operating 2w07 they're the constructed and the challenges when you do the tie-in and all that stuff i'll say that one of the things we wanted to do work with the staff is talking about our contractors chapter 6 all the tools we have available because one of the things that we really value is flexibility

of bringing a contractor open to poke at things and fix things as and a they poke and something happens that's why we have the contractors as soon as you poke at something we'll have to stop and select the bid and it is so inefficient that's why we are trying to get the flexibility so maybe when we have the audit we'll talk about where why we have those tools we're able to develop in chapter 6 so one of the things we not to talk about is joking about the change orders but i also agree we should have a third party audit to look at could we do obtain our side given the tools and what's the best way to manage how we do maybe change some of the procedures we have in place.

>> when we say audit maybe the project manager can look at the contract to see what's glong them to say they're working side by side and familiar with to get that done. >> i don't know what we call them the reason i was thinking of an 0id we have one contract that may not be something to look at could it have been done better so it's a case in the. >> we could definitely do that. >> i like chair and poke. (laughter). >> thank you very much. >> thank you that's good commissioners, any questions? any public comment? on this >> next item, please. >> item 10 is bosco update.

>> good afternoon, commissioners commissioner president caen chief financial officer for bosco again, thank you very much for having me come before you today as i start i definitely want to it extend my appreciation to commissioner president caen your prospectives as. >> shared about the changing stwloim customers and puc i think it is good for our future together i look forward to that. >> thank you. >> so i want to take my time and speak about a critical issue of the tunnel i've spoken to you several times about this this is really an opportune time emts last january 2014 this body and bosco was notified about the the

cat tropic collapse all the water from hetch hetchy prior to the bay area customers unfortunately at this point, a competitive plan has not been provided to bosco or the public i am asking that such a plan a schedule of action be provided by mayor first 2015 like all your other risks in our with his isotopes being fixed through the program the mountain tunnel is an important threat and originally mountain tomb was a paramount tunnel that was included in 2005 was removed over our objections and placed in a less time urgent repair

plummet program i agree that was the best time we talked about that a lot and now that plaza heavy workload on our staff but as we work closely and insure your relationship is helpful i want to make sure we have that same relationship moving forward with the tunnel that's a high priority i see this relationship is really bend all the constituents in making sure the product is come out with all we want so in the mountain tunnel and on our 10 year vip and the prudent maintenance of all the facilities we want to work with you and although presumably mountain tunnel is smaller must costinger than