million for the thirty megawatt size as we look at the split between uptake between the default and premium product at the top the split between you know if we have zero participation at the extreme left zero participation in the premium product all the revenue is associated with that sale of that default product around $23 million if as we slide to the right on the top chart greater participation in the premium product that means greater participation at the higher price as you can see the overall grow revenues climb up a bit when you take those gross revenues and look at it what

they are on net this is what you're seeing on the bottom slide you're seeing at zero participation in the premium product full participation only in our standard product about $200,000 a year of net revenues we'll be able to invest in local construction or in rate stabilization efforts or other you know policy objectives but as the participation in the green product the darker green product grows the net revenues grow that is close to the one million dollars a with thirty megawatts of sales we expect the program to grow so that thirty megawatts to grow over to serving all available san francisco residential and commercial load so what do you mean right now

pg&e serves 8 hundred megawatts in san francisco and we serve thirty with our municipal program so you imagine that thirty megawatts growing it could be quite a large opportunity to implement the policy goals and objectives that have been articulated imply the city for the last ten years in trying to launch this program starting small allows us to get our house in order and make sure we have the program any of or administrative program and begin to add load could we add load more quickly than an, an annual basis potentially but i want to make sure that the program stable lids at each incorporation of new load before

we add more so the thirty megawatts will be given to communicate the opt out opportunities to the thirty meg wallets of load at the end of this calendaring year into the spring of 2016 they will still have opportunity to opt out of the program we want that thirty megawatts to hit a steady stage before we add nor load to the program it could be a 8 hundred megawatt program i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> thank you i know that a lot of hard work has gone into this i have a couple of questions first on the numbers. >> yes. >> so that the 50 percent i guess the third observation from the 50 percent number it seem

like there a availability in the renewable in the priority if we are that going out today to purchase is it might be more expensive than in 6 months that's an opportunity at some point to make a decision whether or not it leads to reduced rates increased customers or we then take the savings, if you will that center money into local bills; right? i mean, that's the design today. >> so today's design assumes any load this is contributed they'll will be margin to contribute to the rates but on the default product prides are really low and the supply costs effective we could go 50 percent renewal for that product or even higher in the commission

deserves to do that but your pointing out we could stay at 50 have additional contributions to march because of the supplies are lower and take that margin and invest it in local build or rate stabilization or other policy objectives of the program. >> and it is on the reverse we talked about the rosy picture what if supply costs radio larger that's example wear asking for the authority to build it at 32 or 50 percent if the prices are hire and the program is costing more we want to slide down the scale to meet the affordability target. >> that includes the pg&e fee

absorption would be in there as well. >> that's all the numbers i'm showing you factor that in and they assume we're packing the hetch hetchy back for the cost that we have incurred to establish the program. >> the operations; right? >> right. >> and on the ongoing operations. >> right >> one more question on the department of the investment efficiency work how does that get paid for . >> the initial program launched with the energy bay program those are funded with the pg&e recite parades make the contribution the california puc decides who gets that pg&e or local governments and the bay energy watch programs are fund. >> fund by the public goods.

>> right but paying a pg&e bill. >> that's how there's no conceptual legal itself for the scc a. >> tha there are you have to be a cca customer and under the cca program penguin continues to provide the distribution services and the meeting services all those services that pg&e is providing to their base customers today will continue to be provided by pencil and paid for by those recite payers the one that his they'll not be paying for and per diem is not providing is the supply that's the piece we're proposing to provide. >> if we move towards the build out is there a possibility we'll

ever dwell on the distribution i mean there will be complaktsdz. >> there's always a possibility if we're doing our own distributions it no longer a cca program. >> that's an i o u throughout the state. >> yes. the state of california they adopted the law for the program said to the utilities you must at that particular time this program and must provide the distribution meeting and billing serviced and work with the local jurisdiction to bill the consumers and allow them to provide the supply that's the foundational contract. >> and that public good feeds is not going to sunset any time. >> it comes up for renewal occasionally not terminate yet

for the electrical customers. >> okay. thank you. >> you're welcome. >> a couple of questions thank you slide 8 you make reference to the energy meeting and terrace does that require a law change. >> that didn't require a law change, in fact, the programs the net energy metering and the feed and transfer programs are required for all the serving entities we'll be bringing the net energy and metering tariff program for the offensive as well not just four cca but for the program oefdz. >> did pg&e have to provide that. >> yes. yes you'll of the serving combritsz in california whether privately owned or cca. >> and in our slide 11 you talk

about setting the premium rate based on the green tariff premium. >> uh-huh. >> there's just an observation that the ground floor tariff program has some deficiencies and not as green as some would like so, i say offer it that if there's an opportunity to do something that is markedly better. >> uh-huh. >> and couldn't limit our horizon to 3 tariff there is, of course there's a market issue i want to make sure this is not cast in stone my last question on your last chart you showed the net revenues not going up what drives this it happens to be at the same time our

increasing our dark green offering is that what drives the net or - >> no what's driving the net is the participation in the program choice to be in the opt up in the premium program you'll be looking at on the extreme left on the net revenue slide no one is participating zero participating in the premium product and at the extreme right thirty percent of the consumers are participating that's why the net is higher. >> i'll suggest so for the basically programs your net is zero and for the premium program there are a net revenue on the directorer green. >> yes. at zero is $200,000 right. >> thank you so that also points out there are a narrow margin for the basic product offering for the

default offering. >> i have 3 questions. >> we can start with the slide 13 we're on it right now. the whole concept of the dark green is that based on lower costs that people would opt into it >> for the dark green product it would be comparably priced to pg&e product. >> have we've seen evidence in the other program that people are increasing their dark green. >> so there are - there is participation in sonoma and other cca in their dark green offering in the participation is at thirty percent levels no and their community it is not

yet. >> so their showing no-growth they're switching. >> i did not mean to say that in marin situations they have 10 percent of their customers are in the darker green product so their overall the customers want to be in the more expensive greener program. >> people having not been switching into darker green. >> i don't know if i can answer adequately that question marin has had so much growth in their program they're offering services to the city of inconvenient irrational so there's quite a bit movement and opportunity for customers to continue to select into the darker green program. >> the reason i'm asking the question it was mined we're

offering both programs at the beginning because if people choose to go to the dark green they'll probably stay there if you don't offer that people go into you call the light green and never switch into the carbon green i'm why i'm asking more people president obama for the dark green. >> i'm showing mathematically what the share of right side at various levels of participation in the dark green from zero to thirty percent i'm not saying we'll got to thirty percent but the rate of range from the different scenarios. >> not years. >> no not years percentages of participation. >> i'm sorry if i wasn't clear on that.

>> and one of the things we've discussed i don't know if it is changed there would be phased in marketing and enrollment. >> i've. >> based on i don't know if that is surveyed data but certain 0 pockets in san francisco that are more inclined to sign up for don't work green one hundred percent ru7b8 products straeven what categories to go after you know customer bans was there be more apt to enroll in don't work green have we had this confusion. >> we've begun to have those communications again now we're offering both the standard you know light green product as well as the dark green product we might want to rethink who we

introduce the light green product to first and who we market the dark green product to we motive want to choose to take those mathematics out again and say this was a neighborhood that was authentic and maybe market 9 dark green premium and see how many want to opt out into the premium. >> do you think it would be helpful for a can comparison and the uptick over the years into whether they started at one percent now, it's a 10 percent and how along that intoxicate and people are - is there a way to encourage them to opt up into the better product how do that go. >> soulgd good.

>> my next question on slide 11 you talk about projected green tariff now it was my understanding that that is going to be in increments so there is not one number. >> there's one number for the sense per kilowatt hour but the customer my understanding pg&e is proposing to allow a customer to say they want 50 percent of the product at their house or 75 or a hundred but the cost the cents per killing w59 hour it set mined their allowing the customer to includes the scale ability of the renewal content they're taking from pg&e. >> i think beyond that. >> okay. let me try again.

>> the same cost no matter what percentage they includes. >> that's right whether purchase 5 was the of one hundred percent renewal or the cents per kilowatt hour is the same the rate that is applied that will be the same. >> what we're proposing to offer for a consumer that opts into the premium product is a set rate for one hundred percent of the power they consume. >> how do we determine that the projected rate is? >> so impede filed at the cpu c they anticipated the rate that's how we roichd at the premium

they'll have to summit compliance documents to the california puc i believe it is in may and that will be the actual rate they'll offer that's where we're going to hear for sure their rate. >> my last question have we run any test studies about can we really have greener on less money. >> what we're doing at this point, we're looking at what the prides are in the market and seeing the renewal costs have come down substantially since we last developed the cc a program concept you know solar prides are way down it is just more cost effective to offer a rum content product so what we're looking at it data that is available in the electrical market to build a portfolio and

cost that shows those numbers you're looking at today. >> one last comment sort of comprehension i'm a chicago curb to curb planning fan that is the year. >> this is the year (laughter). >> so i offer this as a comment if there are things you require our support on to ask us to make sure this is the year so ask us. >> thank you it goupdz. >> thanks very much. >> good now i'm going to - i have speaker cards here mr. brooks. >> good afternoon again commissioner i have been brooks the local part from new york

city and other entities that i'll mention those 23 two and spent a lot of time living no illinois and wait every year for the cubs to win so, anyway so, yeah i'll agree with the commissioner we should make sure we do meet this for the rest of the year the presentation we got that on the eight this looks at predator i want to commend staff and the city family for finally getting but us to this point our advocates are getting what we were aim for in this program pretty outstanding colonel stuff one thing that we raised some of us raised at the stakeholder meeting last week, i think is still missing we need the local

build out plan and especially the behind the motor like solar on roof tapes it should be substantial it was not spelled out not enough data analysis to deliver that part of it so what i'm getting at with this we need to make sure that the planning the finalizing of the plan begins right away and the stakeholders are involved in the process like we were every month we talked about the build out plan that's the one pedestrians that is missing we want it so we we launch this program at the beginning of next year we have a plan where and how we think we're going to build and all the

resources are identified like the big solar and the hydro etc. that planning process and the stakeholder process is not in a timeline we need that to come in so we're ready to do morning use the pg&e energy efficiency fund we need to make it so the revenues from the 33 to 50 percent green folks and one hundred percent green folks can't be used to build energy solar and other meter facilities that is part of an integrated plan but what the department of the investment should because of their expertise be able to flush out really well behind the motor side we need a plan all integrated together to start that planning process right now

so thank you >> thank you jed hypothesis man. >> sorry for the delay thank you. i'm jed on the board of 350 bay area as a nonprofit i want to commend staff for this report as we did the other day it is great to see this stuff we've not seen this since 2013 that is pretty much better in every way i said to point out that the dark green not to exceed rate we're seeing today 3r07b8d around 10.7 is well, what we were seeing that is unbundled

certificates we've seen the discussion at that commission this go around this dark green is coming in lower than the not to exceed rate so it program rate can come in cheaper i want to agree with eric i i you know in order to get the installation efficiency we need more the city climate goals we need way for robust energy efficiency than by the pg&e having seen presentations about energy watch it was unclear whether the programs are going to get us where we need to go i hope the pg&e and the department worked together to develop new novel programs that push through those rates let's see i would like to

accelerate the generation as quickly as possible so we see in here it is looking like those things will come online in years two or three that's a good timeline but we need to have a plan ready to implement in years two to three so if we wait to start looking at the holistic eights we'll be waiting too long i don't know if the power schedule will have the power plant coordination but to have the resources to have a stable power mix which is one of the main problems with the new energy it is less stable that combustion the last thing i want to point out the customer roll out

timeline it is unclear whether the customer mix will be high margin medium to high marginal low customers that division and how quickly it is ramped up to find the program in a major way thank you. >> thank you lisa help me with it i'm trying to remember my french. >> i'm lisa a 17 year-old high school student that the sierra club every year of my life i've went through hotter than life experience i've never experiences normal temperatures because global is a reality it is not going to happen in the future i'll have to deal with it for the rest of my life we're the first jartsz that are aware

this is a problem and one of the last that is able to mitigate those climate changes that is example i want to ask you to implement the clean power sf program with the generation as policy and as quickly as possible we need green house gas recreation everyday by the time i'm in your position i'll be able to work against the effects of globally and not handling the backlash. >> thank you that was very meaningful. >> ruth. >> hi commissioners thank you for putting it this throw i'm a citizen and ratepayer i've been waiting and waiting and waiting for this

program to go through i'm thrilled it is so thank you very much. >> thank you. next speaker ann marie. >> yeah. i'm ann marie i'm with 350 sf you can see me as a volunteer marketer for clean sf we you know i've been following the program as it develops and am existed with everyone else in coming we really want to get out there and make people aware of the program as much as possible so i have one clarifying yes for the assistant general manager hale i'll concerned with how

we're enrolling the people so you know how are we're going to choose the people and how is it relating to the president obama out issue if you're looking for people to join it sound like an opt in and opt out again, just that sign up process so i'm talking to people about the program sometimes, people want to know how to sign up and others do i have to do it so thank you very much. >> thank you for your comments. >> jess hackman. >> good afternoon. i'm jess ackerman the conservation primaries for the sierra club just a couple of comments one