dbi and that's one argument i've heard is that sprirnldz are unnecessary if the city were explorer endorsing the existing code and recollection our sprirnldz are a life-saving to tell. >> supervisor kim we've dedicated the housing code you can only do code enforcement in the code we said the majority of buildings have little fire suppression that is not going to help us get the tiff protection in the older buildings that the newer believes are objecting the other issue the sprinkler ordinances fully sprinkled those in the commercial areas that was 3 hundred and 54 buildings when we looked the orderly apartment buildings of 7 or more unit your

looking at 20 thousand buildings so from that stand out with the regulatory framework we'll have to consider how to approach this in a manageable way for the plan checking of a partial system it is will be a burden on the fire department it is something to consider i want to make sure you're aware of those numbers. >> yes. and what i understand this argument to be if the city is endorsing the code i understand the fire supersonic is not part of code if the city enforced against clustering blocking for exits and fire alarms sprirnldz may not be necessary so the question of in a building it is one hundred code compliance our sprirndz a life-saving tool. >> absolutely the code

enforcement we have right now is principally doing one of 2 things help people 2k3w09 get out of the building so the problem it didn't do anything with respect to sprupz the fierce we learned with the residential sprinkler ordinances some of the fires were created throw things that code enforcement isn't going to address as much as a cigarette being thrown in an effort of a location having a fire within a stud wall because the wiring in those buildings is aging those types of things will not be seen in code enforcement we'll address the issue of existing and with the limits of those older systems with the orderly detection little to do with suppression.

>> thank you very much i think we're going to now transition into public comment at this time opening it up for public comment anyone want to speak on item of you have a two minute the soft bell will ring when your thirty second time raining. >> welcome. >> hi good afternoon. i work for the mission sro collaborative born and raised and live in the tenderloin a few of us left i want to speak in support of having a hearing thank you to supervisor kim for putting this on the agenda the young child was in two foyers one in 89 and one in the 5 both minds no sprinkler system attached inside the building i guarantee right now would have

helped and along with supervisor kim's facts sprinklers save likens perp and professionally as someone that is in and out of sro hotels everyday and who can talk about the historical they've been ♪ many, many fires sprinklers have helped why you have to push to have a heartening as quickly as possible and for the hearing exclude a fire shop within the residential hotels it is one thing to have a sprinkler system that prevents those from happening first place we do the sro hotels and partnerships are the fire department and the tenants themselves can attest to how phonetic those are to the people coming from the fire

department so those are informational and necessary to include in hearing when it up >> thank you very much. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> hi good afternoon i'm also with the mission of the collaborative and resident of strict 10 here in san francisco so we have seen not only through my work but personally i've seen friends and coworkers last year a coworker of ours was adopted three children and a single mom we see the fire was not caused by itself code violation it can happen it can be a hot plate or cigarette i want to suppressing stress it is important to fire preservation and get landlords involved as well not only the tenants we started a working

group together with dbi and the sfr san francisco fire department and the agencies here 90 in san francisco to address even though fires in sro's it good to include out collaboratives that support tenants in other builds as well and accountable also the landlord education and hold them accountable are they doing their pat as well you know oftentimes we see they're very focused on the profit and not as much on the well-being of the tenants thank you thank you very much>> thank you. next speaker, please. >> >> bobby san francisco tenant unions we've haven't heard in the hearing i'm

concerned about tenant safety we're alarmed about the affairs this year spiking and the context in which it happened but we have not heard from the rent board or the affordability issues for the tenants the property owners can expense those improvements but we've seen through capital and other operating expenses the tenants canes bat the problem we're in a affordability crisis at this time it would be go to hear from the rent board and other agrees secondly i've looked at the enforcement provision and for example, specifically section 109 of the for code which needs to be nailed down in terms of of the par active of passing it through a notice of violation as opposed to not a violation there

are things on enforcement that can be tightened up third issue and this is a hot bottom issue i'll be happy to you know discuss it with the mayor and mr. conway of airbnb but the short-term rentals obviously neighbors and tenants are very concerned about people using airbnb and other so-called shire platforms but they find egregious with an opportunity to get out which a ridiculous he is probation of a problem we're trying to address that way. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> hi good afternoon, board of supervisors members i'm jan the director of the san francisco apartment association i wanted to make a couple of comments having sat through and listening to the testimony from the

department i really building we should set up a city task force to look the fire safety and bring in the departments and as one of the sro representatives mentioned the sro's the rental housing owners first two things to differentiate the housing stock is different from long term housing the clientele is differently a transient population in long term residential buildings a way to train do fire safety checks within builds do like for drills in multi unit buildings that help the long term tenants and none of the tenants are not going to be not relocated if there is construction to find

another place to live is emotionally disturbing and there will be passed there is no to the tenants we need to look at this very careful and weigh life safety and comfortable and enjoyment of the tenants against the sprirm that will help thank you very much >> thank you>> thank you. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon, supervisors burk with the coalition of better housing a couple of things obviously our industry the rental property owners want to do everything to protect our tenants including fire safety to help maintain a safe and habitable building we're concerned, however there's been a problem within

buildings where enforcement of current fire issues like batteries being taken out of smoke alarms, and as was suggested earlier people piling up materials and clustering has been a real problem for us to enforce people not to make a circumstance that could create fires so that's one thing we can do better on top of any alternatives that may come up let's do everything to enforce what is necessary right now and we have a lot of incidents like that and an example of the cost i guess it's the biggest concern for property owners who would implement any kind of sprinkler system anecdotal i ask other than about people that do sprinkler work

recently a gentleman that did a 14 unit building and sprishlg into the unit themselves that cost was that hundred and $50,000 14 units $25,000 a unit with the past through to tenants it's a $12,500 to the tenant to pay for they're half it is substantial we'll only ask for a task force we address a number of issues including the costs but that we be cognizant of the major costs - >> thank you very much any other speakers that point to speak on this item. >> steve chief complum inspector i reminder me of something people talked about saving lives and damages my

father owned a business on stockton street there was a fire in a sro above the business there's no sprirnldz that fire jumped from one sro to other sro to another sro all on top the fire station is literally 6 bloekz blocks away from that location they got driver's license and by the time they got there the blaze jumped so many times from a 3 to 5 alarm they turned around and said if the first year of the ceiling didn't holed up the debris on the water that was coming down the whole block what would have collapsed the fire department said if you guys had sprirnldz in the building in the sro alone the whole block would have had businesses opened

in a matter of weeks not months they lost 3 sro's that was a big cost to repay everyone just food for thought. >> thank you very much supervisor kim. >> i want to appreciate everybody being on board and working with our office in preparing for this business thank you ivy there is to legislation being proposed that's why we haven't reached out the rent board we wanted to get the information there's a lot of confusion what was required and not required and what's making a difference and not this hearing was to get the information and for the members of the public to digest this your office will pursue this information we'll work with supervisor cohen as well as the fire department and dbi

i want to recognize as was mentioned we have not 50u79 or updated our code for the vast majority of codes since 1969 this is the time to reexamine the code for upgrades and a and this came up in the 1950s and 60s the fire a fire that we saw in that video would take 15 minutes and today under 3 this topic certainly deserved a conversation it is 86 percent of our housing stock there are a number of complications wee bit we'll did you whether the location and the cost to property owners what we can do to mitigate that costs and versus the how rent buildings

did you ultimately the stories i think about are stories mentioned how for in a single unit can take out a whole block and $20,000 a unit didn't sound that much or, of course, our resident we have a fire in an sro hotel they didn't put in the sprinkler and none of the tenants were able to return to their units it was a rent control unit it was right across the street from a park we relocated them to 6th street to other units that had increased rent and the worse was when you know in treasure island we had a family where a 6-year-old daughter lost her life was the parent were not sober enough to

call the fire department but it is all a balance and will be a continued conversation i know that supervisor campos ask calling for a task force tomorrow with a report book in 6 months and we'll engage the sprinklers and we'll include the stakeholder and the property owners and the experts federal and state this is a wonderful conversation thank you for all the work and thank you to all the colleagues for hearing this as the land use committee. >> at this time public comment is closed is there a particular you want to foil it item co-chair. >> happy to continue this to the call of the chair. >> okay motion by supervisor kim to the call of the chair and seconded by supervisor wiener. >> unanimously

>> madam clerk, any other business before this committee? there's no further business. >> this committee is adjourned thank you, everyone

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>> hi. welcome to san francisco. stay safe and exploring how you can stay in your home safely after an earthquake. let's look at common earthquake myths. >> we are here at the urban center on mission street in san francisco. we have 3 guest today. we have david constructional engineer and bill harvey. i want to talk about urban myths. what do you think about earthquakes, can you tell if they are coming in advance? >> he's sleeping during those earthquakes? >> have you noticed him take

any special? >> no. he sleeps right through them. there is no truth that i'm aware of with harvey that dogs are aware of an impending earthquake. >> you hear the myth all the time. suppose the dog helps you get up, is it going to help you do something >> i hear they are aware of small vibrations. but yes, i read extensively that dogs cannot realize earthquakes. >> today is a spectacular day in san francisco and sometimes people would say this is earthquake weather. is this earthquake weather? >> no. not that i have heard of. no such thing. >> there is no such thing. >> we are talking about the weather in a daily or weekly

cycle. there is no relationship. i have heard it's hot or cold weather or rain. i'm not sure which is the myth. >> how about time of day? >> yes. it happens when it's least convenient. when it happens people say we were lucky and when they don't. it's terrible timing. it's never a good time for an earthquake. >> but we are going to have one. >> how about the ground swallowing people into the ground? >> like the earth that collapsed? it's not like the tv shows. >> the earth does move and it bumps up and you get a ground fracture but it's not something

that opens up and sucks you up into haddes. >> it's not going anywhere. we are going to have a lot of damage, but this myth that california is going to the ocean is not real. >> southern california is moving north. it's coming up from the south to the north. >> you would have to invest the million year cycle, not weeks or years. maybe millions of years from now, part of los angeles will be in the bay area. >> for better or worse. >> yes. >> this is a tough question. >> those other ones weren't tough. >> this is a really easy

challenge. are the smaller ones less stress? >> yes. the amount released in small earthquakes is that they are so small in you need many of those. >> i think would you probably have to have maybe hundreds of magnitude earthquakes of 4.7. >> so small earthquakes are not making our lives better in the future? >> not anyway that you can count on. >> i have heard that buildings in san francisco are on rollers and isolated? >> it's not true. it's a conventional foundation like almost all the circumstances buildings in san francisco.

>> the trans-america was built way before. it's a pretty conventional foundation design. >> i have heard about this thing called the triangle of life and up you are supposed to go to the edge of your bed to save yourself. is there anything of value to that ? >> yes, if you are in your room. you should drop, cover and hold onto something. if you are in school, same thing, kitchen same thing. if you happen to be in your bed, and you rollover your bed, it's not a bad place to be. >> the reality is when we have a major earthquake the ground shaking so pronounced that you are not going to be able to get up and go anywhere. you are pretty much staying where you are when that earthquake hits. you are not going to be able to stand up and run with gravity.

>> you want to get under the door frame but you are not moving to great distances. >> where can i buy a richter scale? >> mr. richter is selling it. we are going to put a plug in for cold hardware. they are not available. it's a rather complex. >> in fact we don't even use the richter scale anymore. we use a moment magnitude. the richter scale was early technology. >> probably a myth that i hear most often is my building is just fine in the loma prieta earthquake so everything is fine. is that true ? >> loma prieta was different. the ground acceleration her