they work with are happy to see me and i just would like to continue this work and live with my children in an affordable city. that's what the 5% we're asking for will do. thank you. >> thank you. [applause] >> good evening. my name is kenny barber and my only problem is i am 57 years old and low income housing for us we can't get. you don't want to give it to us and you give it to the younger folks and not the older folks that worked their whole life and i don't know why you don't sit everyone down as a group and go through this and there's a lot of things you're doing is not right and just you want to put the housing -- more police. you don't need more

police. you have enough as it is now. you need to fix income for people to get low income housing to make it better. you know what i am saying? you all spend a lot of money on nothing. it's bull crap but you can do better if you put your minds to it. thank you and have a blessed day. >> thank you. if there is anyone else to speak please come forward we're going to close public comment. >> thank you debbie leman and thank you for holding this hearing today. the cost of business is the number one issue in the sector for over a decade now and increases are sporadic and less than inflation and less than comparable city employees receive although it's from the same source of funding. i want to look at the issue in the context of the income inequality in the city and the primary team of the mayor's address this year. we're in the midst of an

economic boom but seeing record of san francisco poverty and 13.8% driven by rising unaffordability in the city. the cost of doing business is a key piece of this debate. it is reflected in many ways in our sector. you have heard from our workers. they can't afford to live here and the increases are less than inflation and they're falling behind. you shouldn't have to be poor to serve the poor. they deserve middle class jobs. we can't recruit or retain good employees and the wages are increasing because of increases and things done in in room and our rents are going up also and our clients need opportunities for mobility and many are hired within the sector. they deserve high quality services helped by

better wages and the city as a whole we need to ask what kind of city we have including economic diversity and good jobs. it's the ideal time to resolve this issue. we're again asking for a 5% increase in the next two years to make up for some of the under funding in the past and a working group to develop the policies and mech thism r nism tha will -- mechanism that will have a long-term fix. thank you. >> thank you. >> i'm a non-profit worker and seiu member and the reality in the shelter system people working out numbered 100 to one on the floor making less than $15 an hour for the non-profit agencies and the head of the human services agency makes well over a quarter of a million including the benefits so i think it's a dichotomy that shouldn't be represented between the administration and the city

government and the front line workers dealing with people everyday on the streets and in the shelters basically on call all the time so i just think that needs to be heard here and that needs to be appreciated that there is a huge dichotomy and gap between admin and the city and the people who are front line staff. thank you. >> thank you. [applause] and mr. chairman i think that's the extent of the public comment. >> okay. seeing none. public comment is now closed. [gavel] . >> colleagues i just wanted to thank all of the speakers from the community, workers to the various union members and leaders to the non-profit directors and managers who are here. i wanted to say the suggestions to convene a working group to deal with the complexity of a permanent structural fix i am committed to

convene that type of group with non-profits and labor and city departments as well and really looking at creating permanent fix that assures funding and stability to create a safety net that we can be proud of, a healthy and thriving safety net that has human beings and our community at the center of it. i also wanted to say too the shorter term issue that many brought up as we go through the budget process that we're starting with our major hearings today i am also really in agreement with many that we need for the next two years an increase, strong and reasonable increase within our budget and my hope is that the increase isn't contingent of a creation of a longer term solution with this working group but that we need the increase now over the next two years and i think it's really clear that the problem is complex, but i don't want to see continuation year after year of

the at times humiliating and disempowering efforts that go on. i want to see an empowered safety net with human beings paid a living wage and valued as professionals in the community so that's what i would like to see short and long-term but colleagues i want to thank you for bearing with me and all of the folks from the community who testified today. thank you. [applause] >> supervisor tang. >> thank you. thank you supervisor mar for be conducting this hearing. of course thank you to everyone who came out. i think that again as you mentioned many of us committed when the cola was up before the board this year we wanted to see a long-term solution so i do like the idea of some sort of a task force where we can move forward starting from now really to figure out how it is we can address these issues so that yes we don't have to be here at midnight or 3:00 a.m. to figure out how much funding we can give you through the add back

process which we agree is dysfunctional. number one thing i am hearing from folks is stability, predictability and i think now that we're are fully in a two year budget cycle that all of the departments are on that track that we should figure out ways where we don't have to come back in the middle of the cycle at the beginning of the two year cycle we figure out what the funding needs are and address them. i would say that i have never seen non-profits as a stepping stone or super liveious to what the city does and it's a partner and i want to assure the community of that and you see the five committee members and put us in a room and we have same goals and different goals and how we want to achieve them. i think collectively the board of supervisors wants to see the

non-profits succeed but every non-profit in each sector has different needs and we want to address them all in the most comprehensive way possible so i amit committed to doing that and through a task force and hopefully now or soon to move forward with this and i want to thank you for coming out. sharing your thoughts. ee refreshing to see you here today versus in june so thank you very much. >> supervisor yee. >> i want to thank supervisor mar and avalos for bringing this hearing to us. i want to thank the public for coming out. i didn't mention it, but maybe just in my questioning you might have guessed i'm been in the non-profit realm for 40 years in different capacities so i understand much of what you said today, and i would be supportive of a task force to look at some

solutions. i don't believe that we could ever have a permanent solution. i think what we should be looking for is a better solution because every few years we will have different challenges and to say this is permanent is silly. i have been in the area too long and see different issues that come up that you get challenged with, and you don't want to get trapped into where we're saying this is a . >> >> permanent fix and why are you coming back and look at it as a better fix and the city needs to be more supportive of the non-profits than it has been in the past. it's always a challenge and now that i am on this side of the fence to look at budget issues where you balance everything off but it shouldn't be balancing the

budget off of the bax of non-profit workers. >> thank you supervisor yee. and if no other comments i want to thank everyone for coming out and supervisor mar for having this hearing. i think as been talked about earlier the current system that we've had and i will speak as chairing the budget committee for the third year the system we have is broken and we need to find a long-term solution here. i think we need to have a wholesome conversation with everybody about the issues on the table but i do it doesn't take a genius to figure out the pressures that the non-profits are facing in our city right now and we need a solution to that if we expect the same level of service going forward so thank you for that. i look forward to that conversation. supervisor mar. >> i move that we continue this to the call of a chair. >> perfect. we have a motion by supervisor mar and second by supervisor tang and we can take that without objection. [gavel]

okay. madam clerk could you pleas two. >> >> item number two on state of city's public safety and requesting the police department and fire department and department of emergency management to report. >> thank you madam clerk and as people file out from the previous hearing and colleagues i asked for this hearing and in the budget process and we have been in the practice of -- hold on one second here. okay. we've had the practice of having our larger departments come before budget committee to give a preview and i'm not so sure of the utility in that over the last years so i wanted a different process this year so we're having a few hearings over the next weeks and today is public safety and i. to thank chief suhr and the other chief

and joyce hicks is here and an kronenburg and have a discussion from the public safety departments. from my perspective and i know i share this with all of the chiefs public safety is a huge concern across the city. i hear it from residents in district two and others all the time and we need to pay particular attention it to it in the budget season and i hope we do so and i look forward to this conversation and being a supporter of public safety or increasing staffing levels for public safety doesn't mean that's the only issue people are going to advocate for in the budget process and as we all know and we have to do that for everything and have a policy decision about the different areas we will fund in the budget process this year but from my perspective public safety is critical and shared by most of us on the board if not all and certain the mayor's office so i look forward to hearing more

about it and chief suhr thank you for being here and look forward to hearing from you. >> thank you. before i start after the last budget item we work with the non-profits in the city effectively and we couldn't be so effective and that you're hoping to give them the long-term solution from some of the problems they prescribed the police are fully supportive of the non-profits in the city, so with that the fiscal year '15-16 budget, the first slide that we have speaks to all funds revenue. you can cue it up. out of the general fund we get about four 12.5 million dollars of the aggregate budget and stave revenues $50 million. >> >> and federal revenue shy of $2 million and the airport pays for all of the services they get

and that is $53 million. police services for other departments which are specified on a subsequent slide is about 7.3 million and we generate from fees and fines and charges about $8 million. as far as our expenditures the lion's share and 90% of the budget is salaries and fringe benefits about 108 million so as you can see salary and fringe takes up about -- again 90% of our budget. professional services, about 13.3 million. materials and supplies just shy of 5 million and capital out lay about 3.5 million and services by other departments is almost $40 million. as far as work order services again the

airport bureau by a long way is the main work order, $53 million. the airport has funded 15 recruits and the smartphones that the officers at the airport have for 1.8 million. mta is about 3 million. port about half a million. puc300000. the library 313,000 and hsa is 175. moscone 85. ti96. and dpw for graffiti abatement about 60,000. >> in terms of the airport academy they're coming through our academy and -- >> right. >> and straight to the airport. >> director martin in an effort they got up to full staffing more quickly they offered to pay for the positions and we believe they're at or

near that point so subsequent recruits will be all in san francisco. >> got it. >> i need to make a point and there were more comments about more police and increasing staffing. i think that's a misnomer. the charter mandate is listed and we have been 300 officers or 15% behind the charter, so the officers that we're talking about adding are not in addition to or increasing the department. it's trying to get to the voter mandated minimum of 1971 which we haven't been at since 2009. as far as positions go again the charter mandate is full duty officers so we have about 2262. some of those officers are officers in the academy, aren't counted against the 1971 because

they're not outside. there are officers in -- on disability or other stages of less than full duty so they don't count against the 1971. you will notice in the airport staffing the all other increases a bit as far as the civilian f.t.e.s and that's because they have decided to add 43 public service aids over the next three years so that increase is for public service aids which are not sworn police officers, but those officers are -- they're looking to improve curb side traffic management, staff and coverage for the lost and found, air field security checkpoints and it's a reduction in overtime. the next slide speaks to our hiring plan which has been mentioned. you will notice the hiring plan that was unanimously approved by this

board in 2012 prior to that time there was one general academy class hired again since 2009 and that was in june of 2012, so ostensibly it was billed against the 12-13 budget. because of the crisis we're in within the city trying to get by. we did add a fourth academy class -- i should say we are adding a fourth class this year because retirements out paced the hiring of three classes and working with the mayor's office we were able to identify salary savings thanks to director gannon and other staff and acknowledge they did a great job on the budget and able to get us back on track to meet the projected hiring and back to full staffing in

june 2018. >> chief, as it relates to that and i know supervisor wiener is doing work on this topic in particular in terms of the academy classes what's the max you couldn't put anymore officers through the academy every year? how many classes would that entail just from a logistics perspective? >> working with ms. how to find out that number. >> >> howard and what that number would be and the mayor's office. are hoping when we come back i can answer that. we have three going and we in the process of adding four so we're determining what the capacity is. >> yeah. that's what it is and is it what is possible and the academy four classes maxed out? we will talk to you next time. >> it's not lost on the mayor's office as all. it's one of the top priorities.

>> got it. how do you feel about lateral hiring versus academy clazs? >> we hire laterals and there is interest in the bay area to be members of the san francisco police department. we try to be judicious who we hire from other departments because we don't want to take officers that might not be a good fit in san francisco and over the last -- i guess since 2012 we had a lateral academy class. about a year it's 10 to 15 officers per class and maybe 10 to 15% attrition of those classes but we're making sure that we get real good officers again and benefited in 2012 because others were forced to layoff and the officers that were free agents if you will. they didn't come upon being available at their

own doing. it was a matter of seniority. they let the most junior officers go and they few have been stand outs for us in san francisco. >> even if you bring laterals in they go through the academy? >> they go through a brief academy because they have certain powers but we want up to speed on our policies and procedures and they go through a field officer straining and they're good to go. >> got it. sorry. supervisor yee. >> sir, looking at your graph of sworn hiring plan. and i see the number there is so the projection on the graph is based -- .

on the academy classes and it's three or four. >> we're adding a fourth class in june. >> so the projection -- >> this is the plan approved by the board of supervisors but because the drop retirement exodus and other unanticipated retirements did not keep pace with actually 150 officers a year so we added a fourth class to get to that. >> so even to speed up the ramping up in terms of getting to 1971 -- >> it doesn't get us there any faster for this. >> unless you have the fifth. >> that was a makeup class because the classes we had didn't net the officers we hoped. >> but if you add a fifth you would get there quicker. >> if we add additional classes in subsequent years we

get there faster. >> all right. and the lateral hiring that supervisor farrell was talking about. do you have different types of academies for those candidates? >> it's the same -- it's at the same police academy. it's just an abbreviated training -- >> right. >> -- because much of the training and the penal code is a state wide code and the vehicle code is state wide so none of those change for these officers from where they came before but our policies and procedures are unique to us. we have specific classes. we have now orders, things like the way we deal with children of rawfted -- arrested parents and crisis training and things we want the officers to pick up before they go outside. >> for the academies themselves we do recruitment and are you finding that our

recruitment is reflective of the city's population? >> yes. so we make sure -- we want our police department to look like san francisco. right now the classes that we have in that academy if i can find the slide, so san francisco's about 40-point 5% white, 6% black, 15% hispanic, 33% asian pill peeno and the last couple of classes are less than 50% white. the 243rd was about 7.and a half percent african-american. the current class is about 10% african-american. hispanics it's about 15%. asian filipino is about 15%, so we try to make sure that the academy classes

reflect or exceed the diversity in san francisco. the point being that the 300 officers that left were hired under a court mandated federal consent decree so we lost a lot of diversity because that's my generation. i was hired during that time and we want city residents and although we recruit nationally is in the schools in san francisco. we just started a cadet program. we have a pla program. we're hiring more psas. we want a real robust job and farm system from young people from the schools into the police department like it was back in the early 80's and before. >> i don't know if you actually know but what the percentage of cadets that go through the program that come from the city? >> well, we just started but

when they had the program before heather fong was a cadet and chief ruse and lawson was a cadet and many went from the program into the police department and we are hopeful it repeats itself. >> okay thanks. >> supervisor wiener. >> thank you very much mr. chairman and thank you for calling this hearing. i think it's important as we talk about this issue to talk not just about the numbers but about the actual real life impacts, and just like in the last item with our non-profits it's not just about the numbers or percentages. it's about the real life impacts that our non-profits partners have positively in the community and the impacts that we see when they're under funded and similarly here when the police department is under funded and i think -- or under staffed i

should say in particular and under staffed it is an under estimate. when you look at what the impacts are to the point if there's a major event whether a protest or other major event in the city which happened and is part of what san francisco is there's time when is it's hard even to get police service in other parts of the city. we have -- this city has been growing by leaps and bounds. we're at a historic high in population and jobs and economic growth. we just see it on our buses and streets, everywhere. there is more people, more neighborhoods that didn't exist and yet our police department today is smaller than it was 10 years ago, and that is -- it results in not enough traffic enforcement whether it's unsafe driving or people blocking the

box or double parking. it means not enough officers walking beats in our neighborhood. i mean i am so sick of going -- talking toure captains who are all wonderful and they're excited they were finally able to put two beat cops out on a small part of the district and exciting revolutionary thing and it should be the norm in every part of the city. we hear over and over again from captains "i don't have any officers to do this. we don't have the officers sufficient to staff x, y, or z critical needs" and because of decisions made in this building over a period of years and not having police academy classes by the mayor -- not the current mayor or the board of supervisors, not the current board of supervisors and no academy classes and the department just hemorrhaged staffing and we're clawing our

way back and when you look at the numbers and we were at altstaffing number of 1971 -- i don't want to comment on that and under 2009 and take us a decade to get back to that. to me i don't think we're doing that quickly enough, and i am very much in favor of add additional police academy classes, not just this year but year after year because our constituents when they talk about the fact that i don't see police officers. the police aren't responding enough. we're not getting enough service. we tell them don't worry we're doing the three academy classes a year and by 2018 we will be back up to the number that was set in the early 1980's and defined as full staffing they laugh because and it's hard to even defend that, so i want to

encourage you and the mayor's office to really push in terms of adding as many academy classes as the academy is able to handle. i also just want to say that that 1971 number that's in the charter my understanding is that number was a number that came up when senator fine stei -- fine stein was mayor in san francisco and was in the charter and i don't know why it's in the charter and it lets us easy and hopefully when we get to that number and hopefully sooner than 2018 and i think there is a temptation let's celebrate and get out the champagne and we got back to 1971 and the city is so much bigger for all of the reasons i described. 1971 is not full staffing