funding to cover the diets of the clerk that includes lafco. >> thank you chair and going forward we as the individual that will assign the allocation of hours of the clerk will not just assign a halftime clerk going forward any longer weighing we'll assign the hours that the lafco is using and the ancillary hours will be used checking e-mails. >> i think i'm hearing two different things i want to make sure i'm clear i guess what is accident amount of money that is remaining that's in reserve for the general fund that was given back previously by lafco where are we - i know we started with a 4 point something million

dollars surplus in giving that back to the general fund for lafco by reserving the right where are we. >> on slide 4 in your packet the loovg carried forward balance currently it is. >> that it is 1 hundred and 16 thousand and they're going to need to use all of that this coming fiscal year and additional money they don't have necessarily access to. >> yes. that's correct. >> yes. >> so, now and i want to make that clear because we have to i'm not clear as to where this money is going to come from any cannot speak for you know the budget a created by the mayor and voted on by the board of

supervisors and other members of the board of supervisors say yes weerng we're going attorney general fund this or no. we're not i want to make sure we understand how to get the remaining money to support lafco for next fiscal year and let me interject it is not educates the money it is not we make an allocation and the money is available we do it in certain years we have to break what the practice has been over the last several years relying on the reserve is not possible it come down to we make that allocation now that's it there's a lot of work with the departments like the clerk of board does with the mayor's office to request the budget that meet their needs we're one of the departments that hadn't seen substantial growth this was done by board

action i know that is possible that the board given our authority and we have lafco that we request the mayor put in his budget that we have fund that accurate for staffing of our function of the board that also include the staffing in support of lafco this should be where it comes from the general fund and the mayor putsdz that in the budget but if he didn't we should decide as a board operate from lafco we consider or allocate fund from the general fund as we make the budget for lafco i don't understand what he will it will be in terms of of you know educating fund that's an allocation a general fund to ours there's a certain size to allocation and allocate it for

8. plus billion dollars. >> i understand this can be allocated in that way but still has to go though the process find approval there are no goes this will be approved there the board we can say yes we support this budget yes we'd like this amount of money allocated for this purchase because we as lafco allocate it is not set in stone. >> it's not lafco allocating it is the board of supervisors and the mayor allocating the fund. >> well, i want to make sure i'm clear because i think that i feel like you might be hearing devil supervisor avalos we at logical will make a decision as it relates to a budget and that will be referred to i guess the mayor's office and the board of

supervisors and those funds this is what we're to request and if it is inserted into the budget and approved then it move forward if it is not it didn't move forward that's all i'm saying i'm just saying it differently. >> i agree with that commissioner crews or. >> through the chair you're both right your executive officer has submitted his budget to you on slide 8 we've indicated what that is that you feel shortfall it madam president $148,000 plus and once the board determines that appropriation and weed we've not made the question request. >> actually the executive officer smumentd an amount we

included in our budget we know it will be presented in june but for the mayors approval. >> we haven't reviewed that in previous years. >> it will be before the department of finance in just that. >> commissioner crews i'm sorry you've been waiting. >> thank you for your presentation i have one quick question you just referred to as slide 8 i don't have a slide 8. >> we handed them out individually. >> i didn't hand it out to anyone else and you may answer this further along in the presentation as we get through the slide are you suggesting we go to by the hour?

like a billing system that i'm familiar with in my world in business world of vendors and billing by the hour or something he have a minimum or maximize of hours we'll utilize >> unless lafco provides direction the lafco clerk ms. miller will aggregate her hours and we'll present them on her time sheet she'll fill out the hours open lafco matter pea for the clerk of the board which is the way your executive officer does it now delineating lafco hours on his time sheet. >> but it is the oneus on us to make sure there is american people enough in the fund to cover the hours based on

historically. >> it is important to watch and know your budget would we'll bring it to the executive officers evolving. >> supervisor campos. >> i want to make a point about the budget before i do that i think it is more complicated as described i want to ask our council because there are legal requirement that state law places on the board and mayor to lafco i'm wondering exactly where we are relate to the legal allocation to the city in terms of lafco. >> nancy miller or miller through the chair it is to be funded as it was before unless you make a determination and lafco or make a determination that approves a budget that is smaller that gives rise to why

we we the once you approve the doubt budget the mayor has the room object this is a statutory requirement. >> what happens if there's a situation we approve the budget and the mayor and board don't provide allocation. >> i'm assuming someone about the legal requirement will we'll demand if you wanted to we demand that the budget be what was approved by the logical board. >> the reason i ask i want to make two points one is clearly there's a budget process we follow here and there is approval that has to happen by the mayor and the board of

supervisors that said it is different for lafco we're not a state agency if you have the situation that the mayor and board explicit allocate the budget we believe is appropriate we can take the city to court, if you will, i hope that doesn't happen by the point and this is the most important thing the second point i make is this i would hope that the mayor and the board of supervisors through the budget process approve what is we decide collectively is the right budget because i think there has to be context provided here we as lafco have also have the opportunity to have a larger

reserve to keep for a money and when time were pretty bad for the city's budget we made a conscious decision to work with the city to work with the mayor with the board of supervisors and to really you know utilize our reserves knowing that even though we have ever legal right to keep the money we wanted to be part of the solution as the city was cutting services left and right. i hope the same spirit that lafco worked with the city that the city through the board and mayor will work with the board to as we've will decompleted our resources to gusts the resources that are needed and you know i would hope the city does that because it's the

right thing to do but i personally building that lafco has been very conservative in terms of how much money it puts in pittsburgh its budget over the years and i think that that very conservative possible approach should be rewarded by the city and mayor that gimmick lafco what is needed and if the mayor and the board of supervisors decide that they don't want to fund lafco as we're asking you think this is a mistake and i certainly will not personally approve the budget as a member of the board of supervisors not speaking as a commissioner that doesn't provide lafco the reserves i'm one of 11 that's all i can speak to but my hope is that we won't

have to go down the path but if that's the cats that the money is not provided we have every right to go to court and request so hopefully, we won't have to. >> supervisor breed and thank you supervisor campos for asking our attorney to explain because that is very helpful i have one other question about the money that we spend for the clerk because i think i was concerned about the fact we pay for halftime for the clerk for a lafco from my prospective i'm not seeing is it demonstrated that lafco should be responsible to pay for half of the clerks time especially, if there are other committees and other things that don't necessarily

more than halftime in terms of the time but not necessarily paying for their sufficient piece of by based on the fact we meet a few times, yes i know there is preparation but overall i just don't understand how lafco would be responsible for that half of the clerks time that seems a bit much so. >> i think before you came into the conversation madam president, we received the history how the clerk became the standard going forward we're going to change the properties. >> into the point you'll do the billing per hour this is somewhat take advantage of. >> no madam president, it is an agreement between lafco and my office and the board and lafco

and does that make sense to make that kind of a agreements. >> at the time it was i guess an important addition to the budget crisis we were not asking for more staff to do the work that lafco thought was coming because of the lack of a cpa so lafco thought it was going to kip kick up the schedule and rather than asking for more staff we absorbed those duties so we moved the 45u6789 excuse me. the lafco carried forward understanding that there is a description that you point out we'll had had billable hours scenario. >> it is with the ed and the attorney and the clerk as well i mean the reality is yes we need to continue with lafco but

things are definitely changed considering and the expectation of implementing cca we've been pushing a real possibility but as that comes down to life the need for lafco becomes less of a need so i'm just trying to understand i do not like to waste money i want to make sure we're using our current dollars efficiently where it is almost as if we would not be in this situation to ask for additional fund if we billed by hours in the ways your proposing not only with the clerk but everything that we're required to pay for i just wanted to make sure we're keeping in mind and moving forward in the future i'm presented to move this budget

along and to submit this budget as is but moving forward in the future there may be a need to make adjustments especially again on a path of pushing cca through i want to make that point. >> you're okay to move the budget to as proposed. >> yes. >> and just to add cca perhaps is winding down but another thing that lafco can decide to do that means the budget is based on those assignment that lafco is working on the projects could you know be the higher budget or the same level of funding maybe needed to depending on the direction our commission gifdz lafco gives itself. >> through the chair if i can

make one point clear we'll include billable hours with the clerk it's the expectation that the choofa will remain full-time and he will indicate which hours he's spending cca and i understand where you're coming from. >> well, i think i get that i know we'll continue down that path i'm expressing in the future based upon the amount of workload for this position things may change thank you, thank you commissioner crews i had a followup question supervisor breed's as a full-time executive director through this budget process i see sort of going forward this

is something i'll put on the radar i make sure we have assignments and interests i know that the supervisors that are certainly interested in studies going forward i want to be cognizant when we are thinking about future of lafco and utilizing mr. frooedz time we currently give him the workload and staff and i'll say i appreciate your work you do for lafco and hope to keep our plate plentiful. >> thank you, commissioner if i can add the way i did the budget for next year when i was creating that budget it was after december we had half of years spending done this year i took the half year i've spent

thirty percent of my time open the administrative non-cc organization work and other other on billable hours i determined for the second half of the year the underground and open source election a little bit more of my time and knowing the puc was moving forward with the cca but spend more time about 35 percent come next year when we launch it if everything stays on schedule 45 percent cca and 55 non-cc a we'll have to have a discussion when the 55 percent looked like if i'm going to remain for a moment staff that is my full one hundred percent will be determined by lafco itself so we'll need to

have that discussion coming second half of next january or february and what lafco and the puc role plaids together those are discussions that needs happen. >> commissionerlipid. >> if i may ask the council it seems like that is a discussion around the idea of a sunset for lafco i'm curious what legal refresh my recollection or requirements is that needed to for that to happen i personally feel like there are projects that the members of the public that feel are important to the city will come to us i'm curious what legal perimeters are there regarding that. >> there is statutory lafco in

the county san francisco is a unique county because of the city and county so lafco is driven by projects and so if you have no projects in lafco than typically not a dedicated staff that's in a sense some small county they don't have dedicated staff only a small part of the cca duty and in other county it is an individual staff it is a determination of the lafco commission in each county and each county rotundas their lafco very, very differently. >> thank you. >> okay other comments from the commission madam clerk thank you for your presentation and we'll go to

public comment and have questions probability e probably afterward. >> good afternoon, commissioners eric brooks san francisco green party and grassroots in the city i serve with other but including san franciscans and clean energy advocate i want to definitely speak to continuing lafco as a fully flushed out budgeted entity with no detraction from its continuing work, yes we're about the launch the community on the ground gas station we've got the mayor's office it looks like this is going to happen but it is absolutely clufshl to understand the reason lafco was created was because it was recognized that programs like clean power sf will need a quasi

state body that is not totally tied into san francisco politics that has public members that have decision making power on this commission payroll to make sure that citywide services and other citywide needs like good elect royal and trash collection and recycling all those are things we balanced need lafco to continue so it it come in from the outdoor when the city is laughing on something like clean power sf and most recently will come before you is the public broadband is a really good example exactly the same situation if you look at what 9 department of technology it looks like it will seriously lag unless we have a strong entity

like lafco to stick up for a great citywide broadband program that covers the digital divide and you'll that good stuff so keep lafco fully. >> thank you are there any members of the public that want to comment seeing none and colleagues i'd like to have a motion to approve the lafco unless there are other comments coming forward supervisor campos i make the motion to approve the budget. >> very good and seconded by commissioner crews. >> i want to second the budget and say we will be voting on it again and this is the first, as i understand the first step in moving forward.

>> correct this is the first step we'll come back at the may meeting i'll make within motion we have a reverse reserve our right to the 2 hundred and 9 eight hundred 342 we're going to be asking the city and county for only a certain amount so we can ask for an entire amount it will come a point in time my full salary will be under the general fund of the no money we'll be using the full amount i want to make sure we reserve that right to the lumbar or the next year the city and county has a right to refuse us to the whole amount so only accept the

lower amount we'll take from next year and did it make sense we ask for the full amount now. >> what we've didn't e when we did a proposed budget except we are only going to accept an x amount this year a specific amount. >> so my motion to ask for the proposed amount here with the pd that we reserve the right to ask for what we're statutorily allowed i don't know we should ask for more than we need to it is really important we've been really good at it but reserving the right make sense ultimate we'll have the power to decide that anyway. >> great, thank you and yes. >> motion from supervisor

campos and seconded by commissioner crews we'll take that without objection. okay. the motion passes. >> our next item. >> item 4 community agreeing gas station activities report status on the clean sf program and b the california puc update. >> okay jason fried a lot has happened we have seen the fairness board accept the not to exceed rate urge to see a timeline just yesterday supervisor breed at the board of

supervisors along the mayor and supervisor avalos as well introduced the language that was need to change how our procurement contract work we're excited to see that move forward we need to get that ball rolling in the critical section of timeline it moving f and the main

program objective is to have the program be affordable we're leading that affordability and