developer does stark steakers or i don't know for other obvious; right? >> correct. >> there's no intent to give any more parking garage anything like that. >> not not allow more parking. >> i'm supportive of the motion that commissioner moore put afford if there is going to be an exception about existing conditions under those an underground space. >> commissioner hillis i'm lost still on the parking so what staff is proposing it is it the same number of marshes. >> it depends on how it is designed you could reduce 6

spaces they're not asking for the additional the second option commissioner wu just suggested to provide stackers in the areas you could get the additional parking and transfer the space you'll eliminate the more parking spaces from the stackers into more bicycle parking because this areas exists putting stackers didn't solve the problem you put stackers in and gain the additional parking up to the 50 or whatever it is and put an overflow police vehicle make that storage. >> they could come in and put in stark elders the same amount of space so what's the point to make them do stackers if they

could put in 6 spaces i am not i get it we're not froeg up a useful we're freeing up stournl or storage space. >> the same amount of marshes with whether their requiring a stacker or valet or efficient use of space the reality if we're required to put a stacker in this particular design the stacker requires 11 and a half feet high our garages are lower we'll cut out part of the garage to fit the stacker to go up and down so we actually - >> you may not do that. >> we'll have less parking but that's not beneficial to the building or the community so what would you do in this case, the recommendations passes what will you do you and

actually haven't followed hunters point percent of the final recommendation. >> the financial is the staff's recommendation. >> which would be. >> it requires space efficient means, in fact to eliminate parking or provide stackers. >> i'm not sure quite frankly that was the debate i was having with the planner in the code what's the space efficient means mean it is gray i could have destined the same gastrogarage with the same amount of parking spaces and i didn't spend time figuring out things. >> it is a little bit odd we're kind of agnostic about the spaces we don't mind 50 spaces

getting them to jump through hoops to provide for spaces we don't care about the level of parkinson i'm okay with the way it is proposed a trade off of more extensive because of getting parking this is all underground. >> that turns to be a very extensive storage construction wise. >> commissioner johnson. >> thank you very much i'll be supportive of making the finding this project is didn't need to meet that requirement i believe that you mention they have the valet there are instances we'll push particular with more spaces and below ground parking of this space is used for storage versus maybe xang a retail space this

didn't meet that i mean, i'll be supportive of this project as is. >> commissioner antonini 0. >> i'll vote against this but one that is approved as proposed i mean this is the kind of thing that adds additional costs to a project and in many instances give us a bad reputation acquiring extraordinary means without a good reason it is technically in the code i understand that but if we could stash finding and the finding it is all underground you know they're doing all the things we asked him to do and at the time 11th hour to go further by adding more costs we w0r7 why things cost so many i'm against

the motion. >> commissioner moore. >> i looked at the slightly different than this particular project all the work of typography i'll be interested to hear our exist proposed height and how much space we're working on the typography and scraping more feet is not an issue. >> the height of the building overall. >> not garage height floor to ceiling. >> it is actually on the drawing so the lower garage floor to floor is 8 feet 4 inches or 3 inches and the you were grammar is 9 photo floor to floor.

>> and the upper garage meets the minimum requirement for ada for the van and the lower garage is short we don't have ada parking in the lower level. >> i'd like i can't design the garage i like that particular aspect to the continued and those are the reasons the department as was well subscribed is potential setting a precedent and if indeed our objective are to deal with the use of space and the balance of the need for parking versus transit in a sensitive way then efficient garage lay outs are the major component in that line of thinking that doesn't mean we don't allow the numbers which are loud by code but want more creativity in how that issue is being addressed i have to

support that as a basic idea we're in a tug of war about more cars more cars are we balancing our transit post objective for the rest of the city i basically create a condition this issue be future investigated and to you would your planning department objectives and also not dangerous us everybody's is coming forward my garage is not at all enough i'm sorry, i can't do that. >> commissioner hillis >> thank you commissioner johnson you hit the nail on the head i mean it makes sense in this case it wouldn't make sense your building on grading to try to get space for retail or extra residential so thank you for making that clear but i'll

supportive the project as proposed in the finding that allows it because of the grade and typography and the existing way the building currently is and the requirement to dig further to add stacking is for additional storage is not good enough. >> i have a finding if you want to move forward. >> would you speak into the microphone. >> if we could we already have a there is a motion and a second to approve the project as amended by limit the parish as provided in the section code commissioner moore has present and commissioner richards has seconded to it seems to me to adopt that motion correct the finding in the motion because we

don't have any amended motion or findings that changes the current proposal that is different; right? from what staff is currently proposing to take care of that first. >> if you could restate. >> maintained of the commissioner moore's motion to adopt the modified are amended staff proposal different from the draft professional in front of the if you. >> the motion to investigate further effort for space efficiency and in order to commodity the increased parking. >> it is different from the motion in the packet. >> that's my point. >> no finding no finding is supports that. >> the finding in the current motion is for parking as proposed and it says it complies

with the planning code section and so mined is staff is recommend to the change that; right? >> so the way i read the motion is by councilmember glover sheila's she's recommending to approve the project to limit the parking as provided as it related to this efficiency issue. >> and work with staff to find the an acceptable solution that's correct. >> okay i did not get that part. >> commissioner richards. >> a question for director and the gentleman intent of the code if you were to apply it to an up gratitude or above and beyond it could, putting a retail space across the street any sense of why this

is here is this requirement. >> the intent of the corroding code to allow more parking in the cases for example, in a transit oriented area if you allow the more parking that additional park should be sufficient so if it didn't mention above grade it is about the space sufficient stackers. >> so you think more parking i thought 50 spaces we're entitled to. >> one to one it is more efficient the idea the overall sustainability will the parking be allowed to move in the northern direction of car storage that makes sense. >> commissioner moore. >> an increasing number of buildings in the city that are reassign they're parking for the swatch cars to basically put two

cars into one and many residential buildings that workout with each in order to follow the mandate for more efficient park it is something similar in older garages people are smaller spaces versus larger spaces there's indeed mechanisms to sections the building in a way different types of barking or parking and putting consumer attitudes i'll be looking forward to respond to what you're rightfully asking for . >> commissioner antonini. >> i'll vote against this motion as i said it is an interpretive it lists as means for jif more unit above the .5

parking space by mechanic stackers or valet or other it interprets valet as one of those it looks like we're that going beyond the valet so that's my position. >> call the question, please. >> okay there there is a motion and a second to approve that matter with conditions as limited parking space as it relates to efficiency and work with staff to find american people acceptable solution if i may add and modify the finding to satisfy that condition. >> accept. >> thank you commissioner antonini no arrest commissioner hillis marry no arrest commissioner johnson no. >> commissioner richards commissioner wu commissioner president fong no.

>> that motion fails three to four with commissioners commissioner antonini commissioner johnson commissioner hillis commissioner president fong voting against. >> i'll make a motion and comment to commissioner antonini on your valet is considered a space saving method for the stacks one in front of the the other to have keys to get them out that's why it is space efficient i want to make a motion to strike to approve with a finding of with the finding the off-street parking requirement is met and let's see i think did you have a finding. >> if i may the parking is underground and because of the

space efficiency will not improve the usual desirable and the current design engages the street frontage and pedestrian. >> do you feel like that finding reflects the fact we're only talking about the spaces the additional minimal amount of spaces. >> you're only getting 6 spaces so that is minimum only 6 spaces above that. >> okay. >> without - >> i'll list that finding and let's see if there's a second. >> second. >> i'd like to hear if someone thinks we need to make that finding with the amount of space. >> commissioner wu. >> i have a different suggestion i'd like to include something about the fact the

excavated spaces are existing that is rare you have two floors excavated space already. >> thank you for that. >> from the natural grades. >> i think i'm referring to the fact is dug out laughter. >> commissioner hillis. >> and agree it is important to note to maximize other outdoors we will be make missing the storage or other underground uses i'm supportive also. >> is that a minimal to the maker of the motion? >> okay. so we have thoek to

approve that matter with conditions with an amended findings for off-street parking as read into the record by staff noting that the existing area is already excavated and that the efficiency will be mathematics mississippi's the storage. >> i didn't need that. >> we'll eliminate that noting if the existing space is already commissioner antonini commissioner hillis commissioner johnson o'connor no arrest commissioner richards no arrest commissioner wu and commissioner president fong so moved, commissioners, that motion passes that passes 5 to with commissioner richards and commissioner wu voting against. >> the commission is going to take a short lunch break.

>> good afternoon and welcome back to the planning commission regular hearing for thursday, april 30, 2015, disruptions of any kind. please silence any devices that may sound off during the proceedings. and when speaking before the commission, if you care to, do state your name for the record. commissioners we left off in our

regular calendar item 15 59 california street this is a request for conditional use authorization good afternoon, commissioners sharon with the planning staff the request is a confusion to demolish and revukt on automobile centerpiece in the pacific heights is a financial story convenience story that will include a ten petroleum domination and new one story over story result and a number of curve cuts in parking and code signage and new perimeter signage the proposed of to

2:00 a.m. and not seek an alcohol use for the conditional use authorization on due to the proposed lot morgue an excess of the convenient store and the establishment of a formula retail for the community the didn't want didn't consider is as a auto use follower known section and therefore not subject to the criteria the verifying was conduct and negative debilitation issued in 2015 this document has been enclosed many of the craft motion and staff wants to add a condition of approval for the mitigation in the m m rp exhibit c is necessary to void the effects of the proposed project

and have been agreed on with the condition approve the project sponsor submitted a publication that includes the following 341 of the empowering spaces are occupied by formula retail use and 19 heed and 10 feet of front out of 10 thousand plus by formula retail use that is on exist concentration of 16 percent within the quarter mile facility and 23 percent of frontage is occupied by rail uses and one 61 or 24 percent are occupied by formula retail use in the upper fulsome that are 8 vacancies and 10 within the quarter mile facility and is the packet staff is aware of 7

letters of opposition and the construction and the auto active used to be appropriate and continue to provide gas foul for the city the site is proifrl designed the department understand finds the formula retail use store appropriate and not a high similar uses within the vicinity and the stop sign is more consistent with the city's design standards therefore the did not find this proposal to be 12k50ish8 and recommend approval are conditions lastly the project as presented in the commissioned packet they've provided voluntarily reductions in with the community concerned the department is ready to present

those are changes please note staff has not reviewed those and asks the commission to act on those in front of you and necessary that a condition be added so that the sponsor would be districts to work with the staff that concludes my presentation. and thank you. >> thank you. >> project sponsor please hi, i'm sony commissioner president fong and commissioners, good morning i'm here on behalf of my family my father started in 1978 and based out here in the be sure i also have my brother and also abraham the architect if you have questions so how did it get started this fat facilitated as single wall

tanked the catalytic we purchased in 2010 he community college it had dated systems to that's been the big catalyst it is an expensive effort the idea of leaving the system as is is to the desirable we should proactively take care of because it is out of warrant thank you so we do get innovative with something happens so that's kind of the overall kind of starting point where we started and for the proposition to do that this is very expensive for us we're talking about closed to one million dollars to do work like this so for us to gist we have to think about what to do with the site

being a neighborhood facility add another element the convenience store as you know retailer don't have the gas margins to do this long-term we had to add additional services to keep the gas station so you know i mean, we know about the issues that gas stations face in the city with foul efficient vehicles and car sharing and that's the overall cost of operating not only in this city but everywhere that's why we added this convenience store our family we use the san francisco firm to design our loop concept only for our use not franchised it is only for our fayette's fats that have gas not a stand alone facility of service the concept of the loop to

redefine the experience of convenience so that's not our traditional offer at a 711 we offer more choices for people that are already refueling and need to get fuel and get going so as an interest fact we're actually, the only convenient store company west of the mississippi so we're the only organization that signed up with the initiative i'm sure you're aware of that michelle obama initiative to offer kind of another choice and doing it in a structured manner so that's why people have that function we're proud of the offer and how it kind of localize whatever the community needs and the offer points that they can have

you know your family worked in san francisco for quite some. worked with the commission to get other projects approved allows for the facilities to stay gas stations not for a year or two but the next 15 years we appreciate that effort i think we kind of work together to make this a real success to stay as a gas station in the community so kind of summarize we're looking to upgrade not only the facility and the fuel but looking to add additional services that can allow for the property i want to bring up i know we constantly get calls for developers for this property they want to do a higher and best use offer been recently asked for housing on this

property i had a grant deed that show when we purchased this property from shelf shell oil a 99 percent gee not to put things on the property shell they own it their sell and it is a risk mitigation for them and that they don't want to have properties for people living on that i want to offer that and have some photos for your information just the store this is some example photos of more facility that we have that kind of show you the interior if you haven't been able to go to the 19th and lincoln location wards to the meeting with the

community members how to make that a win-win we have discussed and agreed to were for example, the hours of operation switch from a.m. to midnight a.m. to 10:00 p.m. and removing one pump it will go to 8 fueling positions and we'll make design changes per the neighborhood recommendations and we reduce the size of the store to 021 heed sheet and the store room to 11 heed square feet we had it is below grade just to have a yeah, that's the project if anyone has questions i'm