ned if we see escalations . >> it's really unknown we know for the package we have three pairs at this point when we had the 3 or 4 on this project we were within the u.s. estimate for the rooftop package we have four prequalified bidders we have two bidders that are engaged webcor obayashi to third as well. i need to mention for the rooftop package we started with four bidders then the three bidders of the four expressed disinterest because they have other work to do. the remaining with one potential bidder we extended the visual plain from

prl to the 30th and the stipend to the second or third bidder that brought in the second bidder and could potentially bring in the third bidder if we get three bids and the second and third bidder bid within 30% they will receive a stipend for bidding so we make sure we have the three bidders . >> that is interesting. >> that was cleared by the fd a. the idea of the stipends. >> okay we don't need a vote on that. >> no it's a presentation. but i wanted members of the public on that item. call your next item? >> yes please. >> update from the peninsula corridors joint powers board and the california high speed rail

authority onned level boarding heights and widths. >> i believe brian is going to introduce the item. >> this update is representing [inaudible] between cal state and high speed rail to deal with levelling which is [inaudible] so this say chance for them to update you the people in the presentation will be doing the background update then [inaudible] and operator who is in fact doing the negotiations and work with the manufacturers that's where the real price comes a general manager before

the high speed rail for the california area they have been helpful in moving this forward i welcome this chance you have a good presentation earlier this week with the bac you are going to hear it now. >> thank you brian . >> my name is katy thompson i'm with the cal trans[inaudible] i will be sharing this presentation with data couch. the last time we gave an update to the board on this issue director lee thought it was appropriate to come back with the technical work and give you an update on what is going on today -- what the trains look like for the rider tell us and an alternative plan to accommodate shared high speed

rail -- operating in 2020 when we have an electrified service and later when high speed rails finish their planning and environmental clearance a blended system that includes high speed and cal transwith boarding this presentation will provide the peak of the story but there are manies other stories including bathrooms bikes we will have a three hour workshop starting at nine. you are welcome to come to that presentation we want to give time for the board member as they have to make time for board decisions. i will go through the original thinking right now. one of the major elements of the kol tran program -- is a goal of maximizing capacity on the system not only do we need to

pay attention to capacity because the cal train will have adopted supporting that position and the documents such as the 2014 strategic plan it's important to our writers since 2010 ridership has increased by 100% to 142%. these numbers are out of date we got an update on the 2015 ridership. right now it's 135% that is the low season in the high season it's 156%. the demand for capacity is so grade we have purchased new diesel vehicle and train cards to add them to current system to relief transit we put them out in service so quickly to alleviate that demand this leads

to [inaudible] how we help maximize and plan for the future in that future we have high speed rail in the corridor with our thoughts with them how the high speed rail will look. this is one of the reasons the trains is so popular cal transs his or her been getting to and from work -- the company makes up -- revenue so the trains are crowded and the businesses are to do more. last year there was a cal transcommuter ship that was formed. and the major

businesses including google facebook and stanford they're asking to do more quickly, for these reasons we need to be thoughtful with the trains and the future of our system. that will outline what our original was on the program. based on a request to look at other options. this is technical we tried to use this slide to help provide terminology. the three levels of our training. it's the low level where you board at 25 inches above top a rail. that is the floor where many people will enter into a vehicle. there say middle level which is 50 inches above the top of the rail those are over the wheels then there is an upper level with this rain there are steps that allow you to use different levels there is two different types of doors we will talk about in this presentation a double door where there is two doors next to each

other and a single door then making it a little bit simpler we're going to refer to the low floor at 25 inches and a high floor in the middle at 50 incheses in reality it could be at range. again to our original thinking on this i will try and go through these slides we asked our operations team to look at these cards which is what we got solutions from our card builders onto be able to meet requests from stakeholder if i was a passenger i would go to the flat form which is eight inches today all of can trans platforms all of them are eight inches you get onto the train by taking a couple of steps up to the train then are you at a 25 inch level floor if you have a bike on board that bring bikes onto the

trains you do the same thing you take a couple steps up and have the bike on the lower level and you wouldn't need to go up to any other level you would remain there if you are ada passenger we do not have floor boarding right now today we have wayside liftses -- what we operate on the system today this is our cards we have two different. this is similar to what is the will look like pr the outside and added function operationally there are two doors you can enter on per car there may be another step. there are many highs on the bottom left then the wayside lift we would be able to use those in the future. so we didn't just make this up we did ask cord builders when we have maximizing capacity we have

a vehicle they previously made so it's a service proven options it can meet u.s. regulations as has what is a threshold they came back with the items on the left this is what the most common vooek looks like it need to be bi-level we can make it we can meet the different requirements and this board level would be 22-25 inches and there would be good feedback they would be lots of competition then we put our hat on for the visual future with high speed rail there on the corridor the original plan we got there would be 2-3 high speed rail stations that is represented in the last business plan on the stations the cal resistance and high speed would be level boarding high speed rail would have 50 inches

passengers can board on their trains and cal trans we have 25 inches we also have level boarding 25 inches at all 27 of our stations in this scenario we're thinking about for cal trans of increasing capacity we have longer trains and longer platforms this is in the future this say pass we felt we could meet one day. this is a graph to help envision into the future. today we have eight inch platforms and we could raise them to 25 inches. high speed rail we have 50 inch platforms. they would be dead

tate dedicated and separate. -- we would have 50 inches at high speed rails looking into the future so what can be done to no procollude that future? some of the reasons we're given that would be helpful there would be more operational flexibility when there is an accident a cal tran could be at the same train and passengers can get off if we're changing what we're going through our original thinking to newer vehicles and is that even possible. so what we have done as i have mentioned it's -- which we were scheduled to do last year to take a deep dive on this and look at the options that are out there with high speed rail we went back and

talked to car builders and said what are the solutions you can propose on this? there were many technical meetings saying okay is this possible does that make sense? and finally once we had a couple of ideas and solutions from car builders we ask the cal train in the future what does that mean for our riders so the bulk of this presentation is what the rider would experience on it also know we have a future with high speed rail how does this work together so we're trying to be mindful of both of those things we keep in the back of our mind the cal train we want to be electrified by 2020 we want to meet the deadlines especially with rfp by next year to be lick tri fied by 2020. if we continue the delay the rfp

for the electric vehicle it could jeopardize right now now it's being driven by the construction efforts it could be driven by the decision to what is procured. so the next couple of monthses we're talking to policy makers there are many different parts of this as i said in the beginning this is a crucial one do we design the cars to not procollude the high speed rails and we will go to stakeholders and encourage people to go to our board as well to get to the issue with you need to wrap this up and make a decision in order to meet those milestones. >> we talked to car builders yes it's possible. we have solutions that would not procollude you using higher platforms they came

up with two options one adding more doors onto the train we have pictures so you can visualize what that is that meanses you have doors at the low level which is what we show is the original thinking then doors at the higher level which is where you can board high speed rail they did tell us there is a capacity loss on the seat side of that if you have a door there you can't put seats right there. the other option they describe to us this is actually what we heard from card builders is something called traps i will show pictures what that is. that would be single doors at a higher level you have to walk up steps to get to it. this is not a full redesign of cars it was a modification to the service of the vehicles out there we have builders that are interested that there be good competition and they can meet

the 2020 time frame if we get going on this if chair willing to look at it and build it for us. with that i will turn it over to dave for operational hat and provide more information. >> thank you casy. directors good morning thank you for this opportunity to go ahead and walk you through the piece we got from bolders and the technical portion portions we have heard the first piece we heard which would turn into plan a is the fact that we would add more doors that would give us the ability to build up at the lower level starting with the eight inch platform you have the 25 inch lower lefl which is the initial service that would be there until a future time the platform heighting are increased on top of the trucks the wheel assemblies is a series of upper

level door could be installed to the point the vehicle was manufactured those doors are operational once the higher level platforms are put in place and stay operational through the duration after everything was operational at that point the lower level doors, would be there to facilitate the utilization of the existing platform if and when the platforms are brought up to the higher height the lower doors could be sealed and that references back to what casy said a few minutes ago about loss of seats it would be that two different heights the passengers would be able to board on that direction and it will be ada compliant no matter how we do it. the constraints and the equipment laid out it may not be possible with some manufacturers to get double doorses at each end of the

higher level we may only be able to get some of them. that's what it shows in this tutorial. if you look at the door set on the right. on some manufacturers the way they go ahead and provide the vooek they have the double door at one of the vehicle and the opposite end they would be able to get a single one. as we go ahead that is one by one of the things we provide as an option so we don't preclude any vehicle manufacturers. this should be what we wind up with the additional doors the picture on the top left is a high block which is a few inches higher than what we currently have with the future mini blocks this will allow individuals with a disses to go up the ramp to the 50 inch

height of the trucks the mini highs are the ones we currently have in service that is the picture on the bottom left that would give us the boarding height at the 20 pooif inch level both cases with that type of structure on the flat form you would be able to go ahead and get that boarding for the ada picture on the right is aside lift we don't have mini heighs in this case we would continue to use that lift for either levels to get passengers on board. the second alternative we heard from the car manufacturers this is our option b this goes back to when we get in service in 2020 is to go ahead and use something called a trap. you would have at this point over the top of each one of the wheel assemblies have you the high doors at the 50 inch level what you have at the end of the vehicles the term for it

is a trap you can see in the lower right portion the picture shows on the vehicle that gives you the ability to have customers to walk down from the 50 inch level down to the lower platform that would be in place those would be utilized until a point the plan forms were at 50 inch height. if you look at the center picture that shows essence the plate that closes if you have a 50 inch level you would be able to walk to the 50 inch level. the picture on the left is with the trap open it's against the door on the left 150id that's where the stairs come down where you go from the 50 inch level down to the lower level platforms we currently

have. those are the two things that are possible. those are the pieces that can take us through 2020 as we prepare to go ahead with revenue service. plan as i described gives us different configurations of the door it has the opportunity to have two double sets it has the opportunity to have the traps with the single door that would provide a longer time as well because it would take more time for the customers to get off the train as opposed to what it would be if it was a double door one of the other pieces that is there is the passengers and also the bikes go ahead up the set of stairs and turn to the vehicle they need another set of stairs to where the bikes would be it is a difference in a set of

steps taller keeping the bikes at that 25 inch level to be able to get back to the bike location we would have the ability to get to the 50 inch level we have two types of traps one is a mechanical mechanism that is triggered by a controller the other is a manual trap each one is in terms of maintenance and operator on board the train. within that looking at what are the alternatives what can be done with the operations group to see how they are better able to maintain the equipment which is from an operational stand point the better viewpoint for providing the service as casy said a few minutes ago with our growing customer base on the future scenario one this is where there are shared platforms

with 2 or 3 or high speed rail stations and the balance of the 27 being the cal train stations at the cal strain high speed rail stations it would be level boarding at the 50 inch level cal train stations it would remain 25 inch level in other words both sets of doors remain open. that is the way we go ahead and have both levels if there is ultimately two different levels of platforms one of the disadvantages to that you lose the seats on the lower level if you have on the lower platforms you can close thoughs at a lower date it has the the potential to do that. there is annual a potential from one by one manufacturer to do interior to gain one additional seat we heard that from one manufacturer

the other would to to use the traps where they would be termnantly in use. those are the scenarios that are there if you are looking at the 2-3 high speed rail stations at that height and the cal trans stations with the lower height. the second configuration is shared platforms at 20 stations with level boarding to the 50 inch level to cal train would be cars with more doors with the sealed lower doors previously to gain the seats that were lost when we had the upper and lower doors with operations that allows with that configuration to restore the seats as i said a couple of months ago one manufacturer the opportunity to gain states the interior rate would be at the 25 inch level

that is because of the areas where the equipment is from some of the manufacturer would be at the 50 inch level in order to provide ada accessibility there would have to be an internal lift from the 50 inch level down to 25 those are the pieces that are there for the cars with more doors. with the traps the ability is there to go ahead and seal the trap once the platforms are all completed you regain that space and you also have got all four of the single doors that allow at 50 inch level. the bikes again are a you have to come in and go down a set of steps to get to the lower level that would be different than what we have in the initial configuration than being able to enter at the 25 inch level. that

takes us to our next step sir. we will have a board workshop on may the 20th. we will look at the compatibilitying of the height of the platforms we will look at other issues on board the train what is the balance of number of seats the bike spaces what do we do with bathrooms how many of those are on board those are the pieces we will be looking at discussing with the board director on the 20th. beyond that on the 20th of july we loo look at the decisions the rft to the industry that is to the funding plan that has to be between our high speed rail and our other partners that's the next steps that's where we're going to be in the may and july time frame as we move forward to be on the emu contract on the

street i would be glad to take any questions mr. chairman chairman. >> i would love to be in the workshop but i will be outof town is that going to be televised? >> jpb. >> is that workshop going to be on tape? >> we actually are looking into taping the workshops in the future we will plan to record it to have one the presenters giving information so you can watch the presentation and hear the presentation as it goes along we will see if we're able to get it recorded by then i can't promise that yet. >> that would be good i would like to see that. >> up next is mr. ben proposed from the high speed rail. >> thank you david mr. chair members mr. [inaudible] and have

captured all of the elements we have been working together on i want to emphasize this has an an effective meaningful partnership with the director an her efforts having us look at the possibility of a solution on the kor dearcorridor the only thing i would add what we have begun to understand in the last several months is the issue of timing the timing of the cal train commuter service versus the timing of the high speed service in the corridor. i think i have mentioned to you all at previous seatings we are beginning high speed process in the corridor we expect that to be completed by the end of 2017. that is our target but from an operational

standpoint how that will mesh with the beginning of revenue service for cal train electrified commuter service at that time you will have a direct im impact are procured and put into service and have subsequent timing and gap. that we're trying to solve for at the moment what beginning to evolve to we will take up at the board next week is a discussion of taking not a procollude approach to the development of computer vehicles such that we reach out to the manufacturing community when the rfp goes out and receive from the community on the vehicle that doesn't

preclude us from common boarding some time in the future and allows us to accommodate that timing gap in a much more effective way so that for example given the vehicle example i was speaking from a lot of people have two doors at two levels that the higher level doors could be constructed as part of the vehicle. but it could exists at that location until such time we have our platforms and what efforts and configurations of stations whether it's 2 to 3 stations or the entire board at the corridor at that time we can simply open the doors and remove the seats from the higher boarding locations returning the seats to the lower boarding locat