some of the enforcements issues mentioned so what we have here are 4 options for the board to consider one an acting legislation providing the address information, and, secondly, requiring the listing platforms to only list those registered with the city those are recommendation for the citywide not directed towards airbnb to focus on their data and third compacting the legislation for a year we don't recommend a number there's value and certainly that's in place for unhosted the board could consider the hosted and fourth amending the planning code for the platforms for this host so

there's no mechanism now fire endorsing it or teeth in the current approach that is a summary again, i think this what we have clicked is on the conservative side a number of units that are thousand that we identified from the - had 90 no rectifies since we used rectifies we clarified those units in the casual group because we didn't want to overstate it and in addition the point i made was that the data from one company and the industry is larger than that so there's more out there than recorded in that report i'll be happy to answer any questions. >> thank you very much i have one quick question and i've got colleagues that have questions i was wording if you could summarize the methodology you

used to prepare our report and the sources you've consulted your the methodology we've created a model and have a database from airbnb polled from the companies website an 2013 and compared it to other websites and see the numbers are compatible we used that data that provided us with the number of reviews for this we had a formula then based on airbnb statements 70.2 percent of all guests leave a review we were able to derive the number of bookings and the reviews we've derived and that gave us listing that sorry bookings we can allocate those 80 two years

based on the business and determine the bookings per listing per year. >> i'm trying to said a little bit better the methodology seeing you use our own internet search. >> no done by other parties we'll call them technology professionals they are different individuals that polled the data off i know looking at the airbnb website and can't see it but different coding skills for example, addresses are not listed on the website but the web folks can do the listing we had a database to work with the on screen that is information that becomes is available in the public atmosphere of analysis of the industry have used this

information as well. >> so in preparation of that report did you talk to any housing specialists or housing provides? >> do you mean hosts or. >> not necessarily hosts i mean specialists that understand the heirs trends as it relates to costs or a correlation any experts in that field. >> yes, we spoke with housing experts the industry and their airbnb. >> you did and where were they nonprofit housing providers. >> they are were not providers they committed the new york state attorney general's office and staff that had analyzed the situation based on the data from airbnb and analyzed it so we definitely used them as a source the group from la it did the

analysis from the industry there a source we used our own planning department here and so not hosts necessarily. >> did you- did you review data from other platforms? >> unfortunately, no we were not able to on the data from others companies we are used the web screen from airbnb. >> so the web scraping the collection of that data is only reflective from airbnb none of the other houfts out there as well. >> that's correct. >> why did you limit that. >> that was all that was available we certainly wanted more but we used it as a representation of the industry it's a large player in the city we know that and it's not the only approach. >> okay. thank you we've got a few more questions

supervisor campos. >> thank you, mr. ross 0 and the ironic thing the friends at the airbnb have been chris's the analysis but refuse to provide the data for more accuracy so one question i have is that based on our review you have heard the comments from the planning department staff in terms of enforceability of the law without the booking data and in your opinion is this law be enforceable without the booking data. >> i guess the question if there's going to be a hard cap there's a hard cap on now this seems like critical information to have how many bookings took place to know what with host exceeds it's 90 day coop i'll

that is important. >> someone else that's been proposed the creation of a new government bureaucracy the office of short-term rental rented in your opinion based on what our seen do you think that office could enforce the law that included a hard cap out the booking data. >> i don't know the dials supervisor campos i know one of the legislation dui but don't know what it entails i'll go back to the point booking data is important for some measure to know when the 0 hosts are stooefd the cap and chastises in our opinion about the comments this law has only been in place for hundred days. >> right that is absolutely true

it's not been in place a a long time my impression from the numbers many hosts don't appear yet at the planning department the numbers are 13450u8 even when you include the number of pending applications i understand there was problems with getting through to the planning department there maybe more hosts that attempted to register and have not gotten through and frustrated the fact the number is low relate to the 5 hundred that's given up not been able to be in contact there's a long way to 0 go to again even though to the five or six thousand hosts when you go back to a daerp and you bring the car home it didn't take long to know if you've bought a lemon i don't know that

mr. chow left us with a lemon i don't know if we need more time to meet but one final question about the issue of finding platforms that listed unregulated units can you talk about that why it is important. >> yes. supervisor campos we included that because the platform not just around but other mrafrmgz as well don't bear responsibility at this point if a host is violating the law since it's hard to track down the activities of host or know where the hosts are in some cases a approach is a source of information about those activities that was why we lead to that recommendation with the idea that this is a resource of

information that it is easier to obtain than the information from what we choose. >> thank you. >> thank you, supervisor wiener. >> thank you very much madam chair mr. ross 0 a couple of questions on page 6 of your report of presentation i guess in terms of the number of casual short-term rentals, commercial short-term rentals in total so for the commercial short-term rentals it is the low impact is 15 hundred and high 19 hundred and the higher impact is 3 thousand. >> correct. >> it's includes both units that are used inclusive with a short-term rental noting no residents it is illegal and

continues to be illegal and should be as well as hosted rentals you have someone living there and they rent out a room or part of a room for 88 days a year. >> that's correct primarily commercial yes private room also you a so clearly if i for example they've been living in a two-bedroom unit i'm living in one and for hundred days a year i rent it out as a short-term rental the other room and the rest whatever the case maybe testified as commercial. >> that's correct over 88. >> you can understand why one of the big issues you might understand why one has a issue are the dlaens and your

transparent of the definition out of included but i don't know. i don't want to dispute whether or not it's commercial but. >> i can respond supervisor wiener that the concept of the what was is substituting for or an opportunity for a roommate a sub lease or a long term tenant so 88 days might not be the best but a cut off where can be occupied by itself tenant. >> no, i understand there is a lot of discussion whether or not this is taking away from roommate situations this is important for housing in the city but if someone a revent out their room hundred and 90 or 88 days a year it could be the case

that person didn't want someone in their own unit they're living it in for 365 nights a year some people want that and are fine and don't have to turnover the room every two days for a new person to be there and somewhat easier to have a sub tenant. >> absolutely i'll say that supervisor wiener i've talked with people in this project have told us they don't want roommates it's easier to have short-term rental arrangement that's fine but does it take away from the housing stock yes in other words, to people's personal response i have had bad roommates. >> yeah. but maybe family members or friends come and can't do that there are many,

many reasons why someone in their echo unit will have a spare room not wanting to have a permanent roommate it is not the case every spare bedroom in san francisco has been used for the short-term rental i'm not arguing i'm not but in terms of the number of commercial you say as commercial short-term rentals whether 192 two or three thousand units do you have a sense of the breakdown in terms of of how many of that number of that number how many are permanent truly hotel listed units no residents it is an asbestos at the owner only using for short-term rentals versus someone renting there and rent out part of a spare bedroom. >> the only measure some are

booktd 365 nights a year i assume no one is living there i don't have that number on the fingertips i have certainly some that wish 2 hundred or over didn't mean someone can't come in on night 2 hundred and 75 but a hotel for example is 80 percent occupied so you know we can breakdown that way another way we can look at we know that 5 hundred of the hosts are studying the minimum 365 days that's a help that sounds like an ongoing business and lemon be clear in my question of the naubz that thought number of commercial unites that you have identified of that number do you know or have a sense of

what percentage have actual residents living there or versus what percentage have nots toil residents living there. >> right no, we don't have that information. >> okay. so we don't - so when we talk about the number of short-term rentals you express it as the percentage of the total number of vacant units in the city and have internal debates we have x number of vacancies according to our report somewhere between 26 and 29 perished of the vacant units are commercial short-term rentals. >> right so i think in terms of your question there could be a taint or might not be a tenant

when the earnings steady what the medium rent for the in a minute the tenant may not need a roommate any longer or may be able to occupy more than one units it starts the impact the short-term rental. >> i totally understand that when we talk about the vacant this got a lot of media attention somewhere between one quarter and a half of vacant units in san francisco for short-term rental unit that got the headlines and a lot of media play my understanding when we talk to talk about vacant units in san francisco i live in a 2 bedroom if you were to live in a 2 bedroom unite and have other units entry that is not

typically defined as a vacant unit in san francisco when we talk about the vacant units no one is living there off the market for whatever reason so this commercial short-term rental number includes the units where there is no residential only used for short-term rentals but is it also includes units you might have a person living there 365 a year or 2 hundred plus but they're frequently more 88 days a year rent out that spare bedroom are portion of a room it is misleading to say that between a quarter and a half of the vacant big iebts are short-term rentals when that number includes units with

permanent residents in them and your unable to say what the breakdown it between the commercial short-term rentals with the residents and have a permanent residents they rent out the barroom a lot i think this is a misleading statement. >> i can address that supervisor wiener what our concept was that unit to be used by the hours market not to say how many people live in the unite so it is curling occupied by one taernl but maybe a two unit rental and could be on the market for that configuration f even if it is the same person moving in with the resident we didn't count the number of people.

>> it is totally it's a fair argument but if you're going to do that then in terms of felt beginning what is is a vacant unit you can't look at the number of completely vacant units but every unit in san francisco where you have a bedroom in that condo or apartment didn't have a permanent residents that's a much larger universe we'll not be talking about a quarter in terms of nurmentd a and the detriment your icing apples and oranges and this percentage is not comparing apples to apples i don't agree i think that is a fair measure i understand your point there is a lot of rooms that are probably unused but measure that has basis statistic

certainly the sworn bureau is a great way to start i'm sure people have rooms in their units could be redistributing and not. >> i'll stop i have to say i think it is truly comparing apples and oranges i think that so is we are going to use the denominator with the vacated units but the numerator is plus ones that contain a permanent unit that is not how you compare them it is the same things for both it flatsz the percentage and leads to a lot of misunderstanding by the public i'll stop there and supervisor farrell. >> thank you, madam chair

so first of all thanks for the report for all your offices continued hardy have a few questions as well i think that supervisor wiener covered at least i have questions in the category versus commercial yours i appreciate the lack of data and in order to do a study the modeling experience was a challenge i think that a little bit to supervisor wiener was saying some of the statistics were played as transits as opposed to estimates and means and so forth that is challenging as policymakers how to look at the data taking a little bit of a different take i can in terms of vacant units the discussion that supervisor wiener and you have as opposed to the numerator and denominator i want to look at the short-term

rentals holistically across the city of san francisco i want to have a comprehensive approach because i do believe 53 we should support the existence by protecting the neighborhood we need to look at the entire industry if we are going to be effective at the board of supervisors. >> when you talk about the number of commercial units that are lists in a neighborhood as the percentage of the vacant units to me that's the wrong thing to look at we should look at the airbnb short-term rentals the overly units in the neighborhood to begin with what's the total impact on the total neighborhood when you have commercial unites and the longer report there was not the wish short one you had hate ashbury and western edition and the airbnb are 39 percent the vacant units but also they're less than one percent of the overall units

in that neighborhood the reality we don't know why certain units are vacant when the rental unit are higher than they could be some don't want to put their units on the market so to say it is misleading as policymakers we need to look at this issue you look at the other wundz in the mission you have 29 percent added vacant actually 1.3 percent in the overall vacancies and it is around one percent your tables earlier, you said .4 and .800 of the hours market it is a comment from my prospective i think we showcasing should be looking at that as opposed to the other numbers theires batting the question and driving

a highlight i know but it is the wrong thing to be looking at it is challenging to just whether it's a numerator or denominator and looking at want numbers of unions phone number on the market it is completely impossible to judge so that correlation we should by looking at the overall impact of the city and the neighborhood i want to ask about though one of your policy recommendations that i think the one i probably had the biggest challenge one of the pieces legislation f before us to provide basically the data back to the city and county of san francisco when youtube the booking information on a quarterly basis again from my prospective the only way to gather the data was airbnb i think what i suggest having

looked at the other businesses and websites that's the only place whether it does not begins with you use the analysis if analogy if you list the one open craigslist for salsa your ford truck craigslist didn't know when iuoe you sold or where. >> for vacation rentals they don't know what was transacted so as the looked at the units you i did my own scrape from the tape websites if airbnb has between 5 and 6 thousand units it is whatever they only had 11 listing and flip key 44 and

vacation.org hundred plus and craigslist 14 hundred and 6 of any public comment? rental o and on and on if we're talking about a major policy recommendations to require the data reporting back my challenge is that that is scapegoating would be company but if we are looking at the regulating this industry as a whole how does it impact the neighborhoods and how can he regulate that we need that holistic approach that didn't take the expedite to target one company but all the listing and airbnb is a moisture in san francisco what i've heard the trends continue to make that more that way so as the city to only targeting one company is half the problem if he consider

the short-term rentals so from my prospective i'd like so say we can't collect data and from the majority of listing in san francisco from my prospective is a much better approach to streamline the process to people that point better short-term rentals we, the jury at city of san francisco i ago that the statistics are poor we need more and more people to register but from my prospective may i see it, sir? that's how we regulate it most effectively if we look at the entire industry and encourage those strildz i individuals to list they're the ones that are hooting all the data themselves they're required to keep track of how many nights so those are more comments than anything i appreciate the denims but those point to a lot of wide

data 15 hundred versus 3u thousand that's double is a huge range and ultimately a different approach we i'd like to take this opportunity be democrat emphasizing one company they're a big point but a minority of the total listing as a board of supervisors and the mayors we need to look at the issue across the entire city that make a long term effect again appreciate our hard work >> next and final presentation from ed egging gone the mayor's office of housing and community development. >> that's actual the controller's office of

development; is that right. >> yes. that's right. >> good afternoon, everyone. supervisor cowen and supervisors ted from the office of confirmation analysis we've issued an economic impact i'll be happy to answer any questions i'll start on page of much of the background of the other presenters have shared with you but on page 6 we list what i think is the best data available on the extent of the san francisco housing stock this is a question that the consensus bureau asked annually in 2006.