250, by the calculation the amendment proposed by the budget analyst. to tell the department clerk every time. there say benefit to that too. it's a choice the board can make. >> okay and the last question to director nuru, you said emergencies happen 5-10 times a year, how many emergencies happen under the threshold annually? >> several. >> there's a lot. >> lots of elevators, lots of stuff at the hall of justice we have lots of emergencies every day people never see. >> okay, so i'm not certain i want to go that route. i'm going to withdraw [laughter]. but i will add under section 6.0 i

will add that the immediate notice to the board of supervisors so not just the president, i would prefer that under section 6.60 b that notice to the board of supervisors striking the president of the board. then i would be fine with that. >> i think we're in agreement with that. >> supervisor? >> i think that satisfies my question. >> okay. thank you. i will save my comments for later, any public comments at this point? come on up.

>> thank you supervisor my name is miguel galarzo, the chair of the lcbe sub committee, i want to thank everyone in this room, i have worked with over the last few months, i want to bring this up not only to the contractor community. we have had numerous meetings, here, in the conference room but the lbe, community they have taken the time for the lbe, change, that it will not effect small businesses, increasing opportunities for lbe's and micro lbe's, i want to thank them for their work, and approval of their ordinance. and the sex hundred thousand dollar threshold that say key for growing a small scale business to allow them to grow into useful tools for the city to use

in the future. >> thank you any other public comments? no other comments it is now closed. >> i want to make the comment, now that we have gotten out of the weeds, i'm excited about this having dealt with city contracting, and it's implication, thank you you all for this, it's going to make our lives betters i'm excited about the mlu's the furniture equipment in base contracts, i know libraries digital bid notices what a concept why didn't somebody think of that sooner? so i'm thinking that will help our outreach we hold our breath hoping we get an adequate number of bidders on a process. gentlemens, the timely

notice of emergency is a good idea even the threshold which initially gave me pause, i realize the cost of construction these days is going to make things a lot easier. a couple of things i wanted to notice here in the hopes they're still on somebody's mind i didn't see contractor performance evaluation registerses as part of that i think it's great we're encouraging more and better bidders i have had experiences with serial poor performers caused costly delays ate up department staff time, weeding out those folks, would be another good thing a cost saving measure. is that on the scope any where? >> yes, supervisor. contracting eval indication

eval weighsuation eval eval evaluation is the next phase. >> it won't be 2030, right? >> no. we're looking at other cities los angeles, philadelphia -- what penalties we will be able to use. who should be allowed to continue work or if somebody doesn't do the work, there is quite a bit of work but we will start it, and bring you recommendations, as we take this to the next level. >> i thought even a merit system responding to rfp's. >> that is part of it when they're on-site and completion of a job, and how things are awarded. >> we do have best practices, i think in other cities for that.

>> they are, but they have to work for san francisco. >> the other thing is it seems, for example with the pneumatic tube situation in general the difficulties are caused at the point which rfp is crafted, is there any way to put oversight or guidelines, in the establishment of contractor with rfp criteria with system incompatibilities for examples? >> we are also working with the client department and new techologies things that will make more more efficient with whatever the project is. so we have to evaluate that. and sometimes, when we invest in some of these new techologies we have to start changing for new projects but we do look at what the trends are, and what is

best for the city in those cases. >> it's more administrate i you used the for example of a sprinkler head to the facility, the rfp, would say, must be compatible with the system. are there ways to tighten up our criteria for contracts or for rfp's, so we sort of do a double check for those kinds of issues? so we make sure we're asking the right question or specifying the right project? >> can i take a crack at this? i thought what i heard with the sole sourcing piece we will get to your issue. >> only if it's in the contract in the first place. >> that's right. >> yeah. so this may be a rhetorical question in the end, but it seemses like what is it

einstein's quote the first step in the solution of the problem, is the definition of the question. so asking for the right things, when we continue tract seems like a good way to get what we want right? >> those rfp's, are thoroughly vetted. >> so it's an anomaly. >> and the staff work hard to make sure before the contract goes out. >> we're in safe hands thank you you. >> there is several policy decisions and each one of them i would have questions about. and concerned but i'm willing to move it forward. however, one of the things i would like to see is the performance evaluation piece i guess have been working on it a while and hopefully, will be ready soon. i would like if it's possible to put

language in there we will have an evaluation process set up within a year of passing this legislation here. is that something that you you can live with? >> that is great news for us. it's something i think the city is in dire need of. lit -- it will be a process with the contractor dialogue, they will have to be involved, in support of whatever system is being proposed having language in it is very much appreciated. >> deputy city attorney? is it possible to add that language in there to say that they will be a performance evaluation implemented for these contractors. >> we're actually already in

the process, there say legislative request to draft the new program. our office is working with the group with the department group to come up with how the department's may actually implement the new program. but it is already requested, we just don't have any drafted legislation yet. >> it's requested. but is it time? certain? >> no, it's not. >> that's what i'm asking for, is time certain. >> supervisor i recommend we report to you at intervals, how we're moving forward with that process of creating an evaluation system. >> that doesn't do much for me, in terms of reporting this for three years. >> no you you can do six monthses you can ask for every

six months we would like an update on where we are. >> yeah, i'm not asking for -- i guess the question i have we have been working on it, it seems like you are pretty set to complete it and i'm saying within a year, is that reasonable or not, you said yes, so i'm just saying make it time certain at this point. the hearings, and so forth i don't want to hear it, i just want to hear that it's completed. >> give us a year. >> okay can we build language in there? >> deputy city attorney john giber. i don't think ordinance would require them to submit another ordinance by a certain day. i think you you could, probably add some uncot fied

language saying the board anticipates based on the departments, that this additional legislation will be introduced at the board by april or may 2016 whatever the date is. >> i will do that then. the other thing would be as you maybe alluded to. because of these policy changes my concerns would be what impact does it really have? i would like to have a hearing one year after the passage of the legislation to look at these issues of what does it mean? what happens with a threshold in terms of who is getting what. is it having the impact that we wanted? what is sole sourcing what is the impact of that? even

in emergency, we can look at what has happened to see if there is the system that we have is the best we could have in terms of dealing with emergencies. so if the departments are open to that, i would like to suggest we have a hearing within a year of passing this legislation. >> that is acceptable to us to report back. >> thank you. supervisor christensen. >> for clarifications can we handle both of those things administratively in other words, a hearing after the fact, we don't have to put that in the legislation we can request that for the department legislate ily? and perhaps we wanted to deal with the contractor evaluation in the same way perhaps this committee wants to call on that separately, check the progress, and set the deadlines.

>> i think that was the suggestion there is commitment to actually do this. for the evaluation piece, we can actually create a piece of legislation to say, in one year's time it will be completed. >> i guess what i was wondering is i'm a real fan of succinct ledgelation, i hate weeding out stuff that is planted and forgotten, i wanted to keep this legislation focused on the contractor issues and contractors evaluation which is dear to my heart, we can handle that through a hearing process, and then effectively establish ted lines i don't know if that solves it -- >> i think at this point, i'm not including those elements into this piece of this policy

we're doing separately. okay? okay. nothing else? who would like to make a motion for the amendments? >> so i would like to -- oh, public comment. >> i did that already. >> you did? oops did i mess that? [laughter]. >> it was brief with you gentlemen came up. >> okay i would like to make a motion that we accept all recommendations of the budget and legislative analyst and make the appropriate changes i would also like to make the motion that we strike "president of the", to ensure that the notification to the board. >> we take them together? >> second. >> the amendments are incorporated is there a positive recommendation.

>> yes, as amended i would like to propose we move this item forward with positive recommendation to the full board. >> with no objection, the motion passes thank you very much. so we still have a meeting here. could we leave the room quietly, we still have a meeting here. ma'am clerk, can you call items 3- items association of bay area governments and abag financing authority for nonprofit corporations - . >> is there any member of the public that wishes to speak on i team 3-5, seeing none the item is closed. okay so closed

session. colleagues is there a motion to convene in closed session >> so moved. >> okay. >> we're now back in open session. >> deputy city attorney john gibn re. the committee voted unanimously for items 3-5 with a positive recommendation. >> kol lean can i have a potion to not disclose what happened in closed session. >> so moved. >> the motion passes, anything else on the agenda. >> there is no further business. >> with that the meeting is adjourned. (meeting ends at 12:26

>> hi. welcome to san francisco. stay safe and exploring how you can stay in your home safely after an earthquake. let's look at common earthquake myths. >> we are here at the urban center on mission street in san francisco. we have 3 guest today. we have david

constructional engineer and bill harvey. i want to talk about urban myths. what do you think about earthquakes, can you tell if they are coming in advance? >> he's sleeping during those earthquakes? >> have you noticed him take any special? >> no. he sleeps right through them. there is no truth that i'm aware of with harvey that dogs are aware of an impending earthquake. >> you hear the myth all the time. suppose the dog helps you get up, is it going to help you do something >> i hear they are aware of small vibrations. but yes, i read extensively that dogs cannot realize earthquakes. >> today is a spectacular day in san francisco and sometimes

people would say this is earthquake weather. is this earthquake weather? >> no. not that i have heard of. no such thing. >> there is no such thing. >> we are talking about the weather in a daily or weekly cycle. there is no relationship. i have heard it's hot or cold weather or rain. i'm not sure which is the myth. >> how about time of day? >> yes. it happens when it's least convenient. when it happens people say we were lucky and when they don't. it's terrible timing. it's never a good time for an earthquake. >> but we are going to have one. >> how about the ground swallowing people into the

ground? >> like the earth that collapsed? it's not like the tv shows. >> the earth does move and it bumps up and you get a ground fracture but it's not something that opens up and sucks you up into haddes. >> it's not going anywhere. we are going to have a lot of damage, but this myth that california is going to the ocean is not real. >> southern california is moving north. it's coming up from the south to the north. >> you would have to invest the million year cycle, not weeks

or years. maybe millions of years from now, part of los angeles will be in the bay area. >> for better or worse. >> yes. >> this is a tough question. >> those other ones weren't tough. >> this is a really easy challenge. are the smaller ones less stress? >> yes. the amount released in small earthquakes is that they are so small in you need many of those. >> i think would you probably have to have maybe hundreds of magnitude earthquakes of 4.7. >> so small earthquakes are not making our lives better in the future? >> not anyway that you can count on.

>> i have heard that buildings in san francisco are on rollers and isolated? >> it's not true. it's a conventional foundation like almost all the circumstances buildings in san francisco. >> the trans-america was built way before. it's a pretty conventional foundation design. >> i have heard about this thing called the triangle of life and up you are supposed to go to the edge of your bed to save yourself. is there anything of value to that ? >> yes, if you are in your room. you should drop, cover and hold onto something. if you are in school, same thing, kitchen same thing. if you happen to be in your bed, and you rollover your bed, it's not

a bad place to be. >> the reality is when we have a major earthquake the ground shaking so pronounced that you are not going to be able to get up and go anywhere. you are pretty much staying where you are when that earthquake hits. you are not going to be able to stand up and run with gravity. >> you want to get under the door frame but you are not moving to great distances. >> where can i buy a richter scale? >> mr. richter is selling it. we are going to put a plug in for cold hardware. they are not available. it's a rather complex. >> in fact we don't even use the richter scale anymore. we use a moment magnitude. the richter scale was early technology. >> probably a myth that i hear most often is my building is

just fine in the loma prieta earthquake so everything is fine. is that true ? >> loma prieta was different. the ground acceleration here was quite moderate and the duration was moderate. so anyone that believes they survived a big earthquake and their building has been tested is sadly mistaken. >> we are planning for the bigger earthquake closer to san francisco and a fault totally independent. >> much stronger than the loma prieta earthquake. >> so people who were here in '89 they should say 3 times as strong and twice as long and that will give them more of an

occasion of the earthquake we would have. 10 percent isn't really the threshold of damage. when you triple it you cross that line. it's much more damage in earthquake. >> i want to thank you, harvey, thanks pat for .

>> good afternoon, everyone. ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon we are going to begin thank you for your patience