way it allows you to not have to go back to the voters as long as their consistent with the spirit of the original ordinances it allows to you e rattle to adjust 2:00 o'clock and make slight fixed by something that was voted by the voter you try to extract a perfect ordnance about it is difficult having that option is a good thing. >> i agree so if alternatively we propose to did board and they infect it how is the amendment process differ. >> if you go through the normal legislative process that provision is not as i guess necessary because any board and acted

orientals can simply be amended so the board 3 votes also known as to the super majority or 4, fifths of commission you could certainly well- it yeah. it wouldn't be necessary any board to include that progression provision it is intended for the board manufacture. >> so the difference in terms of effecting changes a super majority is needed consistent with the purposes of the legislation if we go to the ballot if it goes to the board it's majority and any changes can be made. >> exactly you don't need that clause from the normal perspective process. >> it looks like the gentleman

wants to say something. >> if i may side board of supervisors anticipated it last year is it not come to the ethics commission in in any way, shape, or form i think perhaps comments by the commission. >> when i talk about is consistent with state law for pure political practices act that was approved by the voters from the sections of city ordinances that were approved by the voters if you make this change in the lobbyist law big sections will be approved by the voters at this point and you know the sort of process will allow the voters will approve that process to allow the engagements amendments in the super majority.

>> thank you, mr.tion. >> the only other thing i'll say i have no opposition to commissioner stephenson proposal other than the fact there will be a time i won't be here this will be the probation of my vote but i understand. >> call the >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> > opposed? >> no carried four to one. >> by way of clarification can i ask what ultimate will expected of staff for this project for planning purposes. >> i understand. >> a memo. >> commissioner president keane will be working with the staff and with the city attorney's office to draft a final version

that will ask the commission at june meeting to say yes let's go forward or not go forward or hold it off whatever it is and then that's my understanding. >> so no memo basically. >> that's right. >> just exclusively feedback. >> i'm sorry. >> exclusively feedback. >> as opposed to preparing a memo and drafting the language. >> those are fine. >> well, it is by way of clarification for the work plan. >> as i understand what comes back is not a memo but a drafted proposed piece of legislation. >> that's correct. >> right? >> that commissioner president keane was asked us to

yay or nay. >> right i guess what i was wanted clarification in terms of our workload and commissioner hur said often a memo there's something a copy for planning purpose want to understand is it the commission has feedback from staff on this it is an unusual process i'm trying to figure out what at planning process is. >> mr. chair at the time, we have the working document at this point whoever wants to weigh in on anything relating to the working document we should everyone should have it the city attorney should have at it and we'll make a decision yeah, that's okay. >> yes to a memo or? >> who is taking the lead on

this. >> i am. >> on drafting the motion. >> so you're taking the lead it sounds like commissioner hur sounded like did staff took the lead in the past i was wondering if i of the hearing between the lines does it help for the staff and the situation like this to continue to take the lead so it there in spite of appearance ever imagine about the process we can get to the same outcome. >> mr. chair if i may. >> commissioner president keane. >> this is something the commissioner commission or at least the commission has initiated the chair appointed an ad hoc committee me to go ahead and report on those things to make recommendations i've done

that and now i'm asking that the process go forward in regard to the work of that ad hoc committee me with the staff and will have some sort of outcome as a result of that i'm not sure what you're saying when you say should the staff just take over i don't know where our coming from. >> commissioner recount. >> my understanding is that if typically the staff does the drafting and write a memo why we're doing this the particular changes the pitfalls and then we'll make a vote on this is an unusual process again, i appreciate you know commissioner president keane's been able to desolate so much times but the staff needs to take a role a

memo from them and having involvement is more to my view i know that the staff has other things going potentially that's a problem but i'd like not wanted to go forward with the staff not fully vetted. >> if i could say. >> through the chair commission asked the staff to draft this in july of 2013 two years ago they've had two years to draft it and not turned it back the fact it is unusual the staff didn't perform what we were assigned to do by the commission. >> well. >>. let me say that as i envision what should happen between now

and june is that the draft and weather revisions they want to make based on the comments from the minority and others it should be submitted to the city attorney's office to draft a final document to say and presented to the commission saying this is the final draft that the city attorney's office is prepared to sign off on to go on the ballot and that's - in that regard, i particularly urge the city attorney's office to focus on enforcement prerogatives in that statute and if there are problems to you

would assume to the city attorney will present those problems to us and we'll have to decide what provisions to make if any based on those but what i would envision and i think what commissioner president keane has in mind where we have before us is the document that we're prepared to vote and a on and the four of us vote yes should go on the ballot >> and lemon to be clear i have no preference one way or the on the as commissioner hur alluded to we have another thing on the work plan i'm trying to anticipate to the extent to the amount of work and to the extent we'll have to be push other things back this is simply why

i'm asking. >> with the plan we approved two or three months ago for the year. >> all right. item number 6 discussion and possible action regarding complaints that are initiative by the nichgs for one government section and san francisco campaign and governmental conduct code a failure to maintain the committee records california government code section making cash expenditures and san francisco campaign code section exposing contribution limits and two san francisco

conduct codes failure to disclose lobbying contacts possible closed session and first public matters on all matters pertaining to the agenda items 6 including whether to meet many closed session >> any public comment hearing none do i hear a motion as to whether to assert the attorney-client under the section brown act section 549569 a sunshine ordnance 67.10 for the discussion the anticipated litigation as explained.

>> so moved. >> second. >> public comment? or the call the question >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> > opposed? carried unanimously 5 we'll go into closed session. >> mr. chair let me state for the record there are two matters and the second matter i'll be recusing myself not to participate

participate. >> all right. we're now in open session and the question is whether or not the ethics commission was to will move to disclose it's closed session deliberations and do i call another vote. >> well somebody needs to make the motion and second it. >> i move not to disclose. >> any public comment?

hearing none call the question >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? hearing none 5 vote item no. 7 discussion and possible action on the which i guess april 27, 2015 draft meeting minutes. >> commissioner have any comments on the minutes any public comment. >> david pill pal on page 6 of the minutes motion 15 the motion po to recuse commissioner president keane i believe a member of a body votes on the motion to be recused and voting open the merits commissioner president keane is properly

listed as being recused people are thinking about this. >> that's on page 6. >> and also on page 10 a mirror thing under item 10 i asked from the next meanwhile meeting will be moved to the next dates because of the memorial day it was moved tonight to wednesday and the meeting will not be held on the regular day it is not that important thank you. >> is there a motion to adapt the minutes. >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> > opposed? hearing none minutes are approved 50.

>> next item. >> discussion of the executive director report. >> just a couple of highlights as of yesterday this month since the last meeting we've had 5 interested meeting including about the executive director research about the expansion of the electronic filings of form 7 hundred the financial disclosure forms and the ninth or fifth one about the candidate control measure committees action we're considering i want to point out that the 21 records request we've gotten since the start ever april some are extensive it is a busy time for the staff in the last couple of months those are taking up time and it is just make you

aware there's a lot going on and the staff is work and one last one i'll defer to the deputy director. >> thank you. i wanted to point out we have included the claerld at the end of the d d report which shows the project calendar and you'll notice that the form 7 hundred electronic form regulation was scheduled for this month we the chair decided to put it over one month because the length of the united when we do that so we each year hearing that in june we'll have our special meeting on june 5 regarding the candidate committees i anticipate further with the committee meeting depends upon the staff

resources. >> any public comment. >> david pill pal two items under items 7 the second photograph of have filed their ordinance declaration that is troubling i hope the staff will improve that in the next month i'm not sure i understand the 25 percent have filed their certificate of others train that is a state law requirement over a two month period if i'm not sure if it is report period is there one has two years from the last time