consistent and not as effective as other means. >> thank you director nolan. >> after 40 things start to fall apart i appreciated the diligence to doing every thing we can i can't imagine how challenging i know how for those facilities are to you to everyone not just people in wheelchairs but everyone when those things go down it wrecks havoc on some little busier stations i'm wondering speaking to our particular comments this morning about making sure that people know who is operating and who is

in favor of what is there a way for riders to identify who is responsible for which escalators and if not there a way for us to do so i'd like for people to know that is bart's problem not ours and when it is theirs and make sure that people have an understanding who is operating what. >> well, i guess what i hope i hope in my remarks i did not give the expression e impression i was hoping we'll let ourselves on the hook by bringing bart we'll very much try to work together we share the same facilities and passengers in terms of ridership information the region mta and others recognize when you have this

variety of transit systems and services infrastructures so but to answer our question i think there is clearly not easy to explain to someone because you know, i tried to summarize from the highlights and is here's the 4 stations the elevators belong to bart we have a subset of escalators it is mostly from the configuration of the station that's how it was laid out we've covered from the platform to the messing new and the bart tends to have it to the street although not in all 4 stations powell has a couple of exceptions and similar that's one of the most public areas in part over by the pay less shoe that is out a while several months that's a major, major problem so we could i guess we

could identify and maintain bart like muni. >> i think that is just really important because of the fact that so many including ourselves and bart you know what an escalators or elevators especially isn't working i can't imagine for someone that depends on that i've seen people struggle to get up and down the stairs is hard to see just to watch people suffer their literally suffering i can't imagine it is externally frustrate and when stairs have not an option you might i don't know what that means to someone's commuter you've got to go to a different station to get out it seems incredibly for more affordability here with who is

particularly responsible for that particular facilities i completely appreciate we're trying to do a joint effort but i'll sxep speed up we're responsible for this one and bart is responsible for just that one or have you i think that is behove us not only because it is so incredibly frustrating for people when those things are out it hampers the opinion of an agency and bottom of the hill more and more critical race we going on to the public to ask for funding for the system so i think that would be make sense for us to feel to respond more quickly but to make sure that you know we're ronald in a way that is appropriate the right party is being pursued with the right this is problematic i'm envisioning this

escalator is maintained by bart or this is maintained by the mta i don't know if i mean, i hate to say this it is so regular the escalators and elevators their broken down and have so much protons if it differentiation to have a communication board where people can have an idea how old and why this thing is broken down for so long i think that the more information that the public has the better off everyone will be and finally i'll say that even when the elevators are working the smell of them is so off-putting that i think i know because a few times when my bike is heavy with gear whatever i'm

driving around the city i have to take the elevators is it so almost it is inner tolerable frankly, if i have a choice i'm going to take the elevators i one day if you thought about it anything the smell and people urinating in there. >> i guess a couple of comments its part of our strategy going forward this is an area that lends itself to better public education on the things you say in terms of lowfat people understand why the escalators are down and how to better put themselves in the position to get information to us if we don't have it and get it repaired faster i think also there are van ness

is near the doughnut shop we've had a lot of issues related to water and that's a huge problem area there is consistently people conjugate there and it is if they're unable to find restrooms then you know they'll use what's convenient that becomes an enforcement issue for us we can i think and there's other places where we can much better focus our resources to preventive that the issues related to this and you can public health and perhaps criminal issues were well documented and their issues and struggles dealing with elevator

and escalators i think frankly, we're a micro came over of that if we're dealing with the same environment those are all certainly good suggestions we necessarily and part of public education caption- campaign looking at those reports online and escalators in particular are stopped and you know watching you if you watch is van ness you'll see people with wholes the size of new jersey it has an impact on the unite and the united are, you know, safety sensitive and shoutd shut down those kinds of things are part of effort that helps to keep them in service. >> so still two things john one

is if a person coming to use the elevator realizes it is down is there anything that tells the person who to call whether bart or muni. >> not particular what the protocol practice perhaps most people go to the station agent and the station agents are should be well-informed as to what is the open and closed but there is that's why when i said the concern we're sometimes over willing u relying on information for example, if one of our is van ness escalators or elevators is out we set up immediately a report to 311 report it to the maintenance people and set up a phone tree from west portal so

every agent can be alerted this information is passed on to bart but. >> you don't have a sign or something about the elevator. >> it becomes critical the customer service prospective if you're at van ness and told the elevator didn't work and you need the elevator okay church no can't make it civic and you go to civic and shifts are challenged of that changed so the information is not passed from bart something takes the time and effort to get a civic and they're out of luck their frustration is doubled. >> maybe a sign. >> clearly the same thing. >> with all the developed in that area hundred van ness behind the goodwill is there a

pocket or anything in the development agreement to assume some of the rocket financially for the project director rubke was talking about i guess is japan some of the escalators make go wide enough to have a who ever and suitcases and all that stuff i that this is a reasonable thing to look at i don't know where those public buildings are do you know. >> yes. we have been talking with the planning department will be the four corners are essential open for development so it is favorable early in the process in terms of of them securing their entitlements we've had discussions about the access and he shared funding station assess so it is a bit

early to say we're absolutely seeing opportunities all 3 of those corners i've said are adjacent to the envelope of our station. >> either one of the goodwill building hundreds of people come in there and using these and the normal wear and tear it is a reasonable request. >> i guess the one elevators when the building is under construction will be out of service. >> we've had discussions with them about the fact that a long time availability of that elevator will be extremely prospect and other secludes those buildings are all within the market octavia planned area and therefore do pay the transit impact development fee in that ear the housing units are

involved a general contribution the baseline triks could include the vertical circulation a lot more people in the area needs the station. >> the points they make so positively about it. >> absolutely. >> those buildings is the availability of transit. >> i would be interested in a progress report when it is appropriate but it seemed to be a reasonable way to get support for those major projects we need okay. >> members of the public. >> one person randell block. >> good afternoon. >> good morning board i'm actually speaking for someone i'm going to read rolland's he serves on a committee with the committee as do i

there's times when he travels to church and the civic elevators r are out he has to travel to another station to montgomery they say you can call paratransit he supports the power point the escalators and elevators have out lived their life he said sees the doors and the wheelchairs my comments escalators one thing on escalators i like the new ones the running lights along the side are good for people that are blind escalators canopy on 19th street on bart is helping quite a bit escalators for myself are a big deal i have metal in my leg i

have hidden disabilities i have to - it is a chronology to crawl upstairs muni can do a better job on the system bart does how can we communication helps i go to a lot of meetings or travel someplace we getting get out of that meeting it is 5 o'clock rush hour we're coming from oakland i'm with a person in a cheer it is not convenient when did elevators smelly know that bart is addressing that issue vandalism is an issue you see all the whole hours above ground glass structures a damaged that's an issue. >> ms. boomer next.

>> david pill powell as an individual first of all, i have concerns about compliance where the sunshine ordinance with escalators and the item as described only says regarding station escalators you've exceeded the beyond the scope and violated the ordinance i wonder about the elevators for the phones when the area code change happened i'm not in the older elevators they may not be able to be reprogrammed i'll be concerned someone is stuck in an emergency elevator and third the reference to the elevators went into service the elevators open market street were in the 1930s and n judah started in 1980 and

west portal that was day service and 7 day service was in 1982 their might have passenger usage and concerned about the projects in the subway whatever c-3 including haven when the variety is unavailable how do the construction folks get into the station with their equipment that brings up a lot of issues about the station minimum with the platform lights i regularly notice at powell and montgomery especially powell that the lights on the platform are out and dim and it is dark and not a great environment for passengers waiting going either direction and other locations within the system where lights fail and not

repaired on a timely basis. >> ms. boomer. >> that's the last item on the regular calendar. >> motion. >> motion for closed session and is there a second. > all in favor, say i. > i. > opposed. >> thank you mr. chair. >> you want to talk about the closed session. >> i have a comment on item 14 several well, all of the items are for supreme court and don't say san francisco supreme court their supposed to say the court for the reevaluation of the team loop i understand it is city of chicago but should be made clear on item b it would be helpful and nice it you could explain that the nature i'll reading this is as a result tenant half a million dollars that is a

significant sum no idea on what it is regarding if you're proposing to settle this over $10 million and the reelevation i'll ask you to settle that case and abandon the loop and the terminal for whatever line that was going to use it i think you could avoid another litigation. >> seeing none no one 2013 the i's have it thank you very much session. >> okay. the mta board of directors is out of closed session. >> okay. so item 14

announcement of closed session the mta discuss the carlson for the t line with the city attorney the board of directors took no action on is t line case with litigation no action taken and the directors for the motion to disclose or not disclose. >> > all in favor, say i. > i. > i's have it we're adjourned thank you

>> san francisco's buses and trains serve mwho are blind or how low vision. muni is their lives line to get around. simple act of courtesy can help them access muni services safely. it is not just courtesy. it is the law. >> i used to take the 21 airlock. >> lot of times, when i would be waiting at the bus stop the door would open and the driver would announce the bus line. >> 71. >> it is easier and preferable when a driver sees someone who

is obviously visually impaired if they stop in front of me and say "this is the 71," "this is the seven." >> our buses are setup to announce the lines when we pull up. when i see a customer with a guide dog or cane, make sure i let them know what line i am. >> every time i get on the bus i tell the driver where i need to get off even if i think there digital voice system is going to announce that. just so they know in the event that it is not working. i would say a good amount of the time, i do get acknowledgment actually. >> good morning. >> morning. is your announcements system working? >> i'm sorry, it is not. >> could you let me know when we get to van ness and sacramento? >> i sure will. >> i have had a number of drivers be really helpful in terms of getting passengers to

move down a few seats so i can sit in the front. >> can somebody give this lady a seat? >> the bus driver was say "please wait a moment. i want to make sure you have a seat." and i hear him or her announced that he needs a seat for a person with a disability. >> as soon as the person gets on the bus i ask the passengers if we can have a seat for this person. >> anybody help us? thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> sides federal law requires that the customers give their seats to the elderly and disabled if they should need it. >> buses should stop in zones that can accommodate multiple lines will stop behind one another. i cannot see what bus is behind -- i'm not even sure if there is a bus behind. the second bus does not come up to the front.

oftentimes, it has caused me to be passed up by bosses, by trains, and again, it makes me late for appointments. it makes me late for my job. >> i'm often anxious that i'm going to miss the bus that i need, simply because i'm not fast enough to scamper down and find out which bus is lined up behind the bus that is currently in front of me. what i'm going to work and i take the van ness street buses to work sometimes, one of them will pull up right next to the other one. not in a bus stop, but parallel to it. and i do not know it is there. i also do not feel comfortable walking out into the street. >> is that my boss over there? i think that is my boss -- bus. i'm going to miss it. i don't know how many times i

have missed buses because of this. >> i do not double park. it is not safe for our customers, and especially the visually impaired. anything could happen, and it is muni's policy not to double park. normally what i do, if i can safely go in behind, i pull in the zone offload my customers load the customers that are waiting for me. when the bus in front of the leaves, i will pull to the front for the customers that did not see me. >> sometimes, the bus pulls up, and there is stuff in my way because the boys -- bus has not pulled up right in front of me. i have to figure out how to get around or through. i have to navigate through all of that in order to get onto the bus. >> when i pick up a visually impaired customers, i like to pull up right in front of them make sure nothing is in the way

so they can walk right on the coach. >> okay, take one big step forward. >> when i drop off a visually impaired customers, make sure you do not pull up at the shelter. you want to give them a straight shot so they can go to the left or the right. you want to pull in front or behind the shelter. never around any trees or pose. i usually let them know that they have about 10 feet before you. a straight shot, and wallace 10 feet away, and they can make the decision what they want to do from that point. every now and then, and visually impaired customer wants to be dropped off right at the shelter. so they can go to the left or the right from there. >> ok you want to take one big step when you step off. the shelter is straight ahead. >> if i get on the bus and asked a bus driver to please tell me when to get off at seven

straight, the bus driver very often will tell me to just look at the sign, and i will say that i cannot see the sign because and visually impaired. sometimes, the bus driver gets it. some of the time, the bus driver does not get it at all. it is really difficult when you do not see well to understand where things are. it is one of those issues where people do not see it from the outside. so when they see me having problems stepping off of curbs or stairs or running into the side of a building or things like that, it would appear to them as though maybe i had been drinking, but the problem is that there is no contrast between a great building and a sidewalk. >> it is difficult for some drivers i think to understand that i am blind. although i may look like i'm getting along very well, and it did happen to me on several occasions with drivers

questioning my ability to see. they would say "well, you really are not that blind." not only is that infuriating but it is just something that cuts to my core. >> there are times that visually impaired customers get on the bus, and they are moving so well that makes me wonder how blind they are, but that is not for me to decide. i'm just here to take them some point a to point b safely. >> i moved all the way across the country specifically to live in san francisco because i knew they had great public transportation. i had the greatest interactions with muni drivers because i was thrilled to be on a bus and be able to get some more independently. i think the drivers can really feel proud that they are making people's lives possible in a way that it is not possible in other parts even of this country. >> the americans with disabilities act of 1990 is a

wide-ranging federal civil- rights law that prohibits discrimination against persons with disabilities. title two of the ada addresses access to public services, including public transportation for persons with disabilities. tips for respectful communication for people with disabilities brochures are available. call sfmta accessible services at 415-701-4485 for copies.

test. >> welcome to the may meeting of city and county of san francisco commissioner president keane commissioner hur commissioner renne all are present and accounted for and again, i apologize f