donated this one she called sugar this one is fat here (laughter) looks at good. >> saturated fat my favorite (laughter). >> so easy to see those comments today it is not going to be bring much to the neighborhood i would encourage you to reject this proposal i applaud the comments that many of you made last time around we're lucky to have an honest mechanic in the neighborhood we've got two honest mechanics in the neighborhood we're lucky and the idea that someone that as hundred and 26 gas stations you know is economicallyndangered i it

explicit pass the something test the fat man wants another meat product i encourage you to deny this project. >> thank you. >> okay is there any additional public comment on this item ? okay. not seeing any 3gd and commissioner antonini >> thank you very complicated issue i understand the various concerned just a few general statements in terms of the convenience stores and you mention there's a place for everything and in terms of what maybe offered at the convenience store oifsh almost all store has bad products it is basically up to you and as a parent to take care of our kids and you'll make our choices there are bad things

you can buy anywhere there's a time for convenience stores and time for markets many times when picking up one item i like molly stones i live fairly close but i'll run into a convenience stores it is quickly to pick up one thing i don't want to deal with the lines and things like that and in terms of the possible disruption and crime you i'm not sure you can conduct there is a large screens store making for a worse environment the john detail and park merced or lashlgd a really clean i've not run into someone panhandling when i go into the store he see things are policed unfortunately, a couple of shell

i hate to mention but shell in lombardi and near lincoln almost your penalty of perjury gas and someone is trying to ask for money or homeless camped out there it is how you handle our establishment not the size, in fact if it is a little bit bigger they can higher hire a security guard while the tenants are dealing with the customers that maybe the opposite of what think the project sponsors has done a few things they've added the retail only steiner they didn't feel it was cost effective to put a second-story and did w work the the existing auto repair it may be that they'll probable one way or another only be one.

>> auto repair like the sounds like of things i don't if their economic viable approximately they are one thing that's interesting the paperwork showing the cost of retrofits maybe i can ask the project sponsor about this issue and. >> which projects. >> a i don't have is it with me. >> in those projects theirs or there's different permits and let me ask the question first everything maybe a little bit different by those referred to the actual cost of converting the gas stations to you know modernizing them it was the one on bottom of the hill barred i'm familiar they have a convenience

store that's a chevron if i'm not mistaken okay. the shell that's the one that has problems and the south park shell on third street and mission shell on 35 mission you're saying it's much more involved than 2 hundred thousands those are the costs of taking away the dirt itself dirt itself costs 50 to $60,000 to haul the dirt to landfills because the contemplated dirt that's the cost of the equipment and putting it all in i don't know what portion of that is just the removal costs the portion is the install it is all inclusive and putting it includes the canopy work the pump and the fuel

island and work not only did tank part it is highly variable. >> i know of the stations if they're in operation there not removing the tanks the one on/13 has a maid some improvements but maybe not as extensive as auditors thank you that answered my questions i have a couple of additional comments i'll see what my fellow commissioners have to say you know it an ideal world you'll be able to keep the repair facility there and still i have no problems are the convenience store or upgrading the station it will be a big improvement they've lessened their hours and sound like a big improvement still a gas station so it is basically that is what it is going to be just because it has

a larger convenience store didn't mean it will attract more crime i'm sympathetic to the owner of the repair shop i hope something can be worked out. >> commissioner hillis. >> so a question for the project sponsor just on the service station we made two gyms of other uses and reducing the size the convenience store and retaining the service days or a service base can you fill us in and why no proposal to keep a service bay or any service bay. >> we've brought adiagram i can

explain this so here's the proposed footprint that shows the tanks and the pumps sore shows the tanks and the fueling positions and the door with the retail space if you overlay that with a two bay auto care facility same landscaping he at the corner the park beverages and seating and planting all at the corner you put that back in what you see happy with the two bay auto care the apron the two bay auto care you've got a stacking for one vehicle in front of the that plus the back up space and 6 parks stalls for cars coming and going and the

back up of 25 feet oh no on the screen there you go the 25 feet back up that's for a car to come out basically loss of one pump for an entire gas station to make that work we'll have to deal with the set backs that's why we didn't propose that we are left with one pump. >> how about one bay is this not an option. >> we proposed one on steiner that will require a curve cut not desired by the planning department to add additional curb cuts so instead of putting the retail space we propose one bay on this side and that won't

work going to one bay on the first level or the main level would have only allowed us to have one more pump. >> how big is the store. >> it is reduced to one thousand square feet we shifted the store along the back corner front corner facing steiner and it looks at bigger the square feet. >> sorry 18 hundred. >> 18 hundred on the ground floor with the additional space. >> correct. correct but the main issue the traffic flow and the movement of the vehicles which is why we see commemorating we've got the pumps and we've got the service bays and the movement of the vehicles from the bay. >> okay. thank you and then just a question on the hours

are other stores in the city what generally are the hours midnight seemed a little bit late. >> generally their open twenty-four hours or two or three clock in the morning sometimes, we'll constituted u shut down the store for service but someone before will be cleaning or managing and basically watching over the property to make sure nothing falls or hazards that happen. >> okay. this one i think wave of we've expressed it's tough the planning code says two different things about gas stations and want to encourage them to remain we don't like them their suburban in nature and trying to go figure out ways

to make them viable it is large to be a convenience store 18 hundred square feet is an option we can't control whether you lease the space it is exciting service station or not a little bit problematic to say keep the it sound like a great mechanic i have a problem on my car i might want him but to keep the mechanic we can't control that i still think the store is a little bit large and the 18 square feet keeping the two bays i'll see what my fellow commissioners have to say. >> commissioner richards. >> the curve cut for one bay call

roll the existing site has 30 curve cuts the department in conjunction with the environmental decision it is a general policy when possible the reduction of conflict points between modes is generally an increasing safety that was our goal okay. >> i guess taking and having been formulated i think there is nothing that is absolute there will be curve cut on a service station a couple of cars in and out a day not the same cars coming in and out for an hour so still make a curve cut so there recent no absolutes thank you if the project sponsor has an existing can you put the diagram

back up and ask the gentleman to comment only what we saw last one you put up. >> this is not about doug or chelsea but about the service stations i don't want anyone to think i'm making this about an individual if you could put the overhead back on human resources overhead please. so you have any general thoughts of the layout you've heard the sponsors the stacking lanes and i get all that what do you think. >> talk into the microphone. >> at this point the station has 5 fueling positions it has 3 bays and convenience store.

>> how many square feet. >> i don't know offhand how many. >> so tripling the convenience store all right. any thoughts on the bay on steiner street a one bay solution. >> the space as far as i see the retail space is about 6 hundred and 80 square feet i think including the messing necessary we'll need but the large storage area that recent part of that retail space i think the whole thing is one thousand square feet but the 3 bays we operate are a thousand square feet we have 3 bays in a thousand square feet. >> can the project sponsor comment on the retail is one thousand square feet underneath. >> yeah. 6 hundred sorry the retail space is 6 hundred and 86

square feet of retail plus hundred and 20 square feet for messingne mesne. >> right now i have an existing station with limited offensive before us is a gas station a triple convenience store offering more go offering i'm trying to weigh this where there are 14 hundred square feet to keep the service bay we'll have a winner all around the gentleman i love his brother pat has a store at market and castro and two bays don't have services

bays they stick the pin in the muffler i'll have to go to the other service bay across the street i get why we need both stations and the convenience stores they have a convenience store on market so the other thing no one talked about supporting the project whether the gentleman was for and against we have a lot of folks opposed to use the downstairs area for the service bay and watch the baseball game. >> commissioner moore. >> i want to talk about the curve cuts and tell you what happened last saturday, i want to fillmore street often and i was coming out of molly stones to

steiner i almost got wiped out someone came up steven street wanting to make the right arc into the gas station but explicit pay attention actually because there's parking on both sides people are coming out of the driveway i came out knowing that is a constant merging, etc. i said to might have in this particular location to sentence if any, the large convenience stores wheeling really only asking for attributable the fact that the two driveways are not offset if a person wants to go north on steiner go into the gas station are going into basically the exit of molly stones driveway if a parker that in and

of itself is a problematic you can see the diagram by adding more activities so to speak into the site we're x baiting the problem i'm asking we reconsider driveway locations over that part of the property facing steiner that might mean the driveway to move that is the recomplaining of egress for everybody that operators in the short block to steiner and i have great questions about increasing the convenience store by 3 hundred percent and i think all of the other comments that commissioners as well as the public resonate that requires further examination a

re-examination of the entire approach commissioner wu. >> can i ask the project sponsor why the 6 parking spaces are if he for the service bay. >> we're working on more than one car at that time and need to take a car anti and park it and so you need space to put vehicles your working working on say they work on 6 cars in one day with only working on two at the same time they'll have to move the cars. >> i've been trying to pair it down to what the land use issues with i agree with the sentiment i think the convenience store is too big the limit is 25 hundred

square feet the original was 346 now 31 hundred i don't think so the need to make it bigger than the last right i would still love to see a service station in terms of land use issues you you know what is it we need you think the need for service station is much higher than the need for formula retail so the formula retail vs. the service station is the city of chicago point for me. >> commissioner antonini and yeah. i have an idea i've heard all the comments and it seems like the one thing people have been talking about to nobody talked about the retail space and everybody is amenable to the service component as commissioner richards second-degree murder is a logical candidate and admittedly

the convenience will have to shrink but you enter the gas station on california street and go out on california not a steiner entrance to get gas but if you're going to the service they're they'll be a barrier so no one going in will cross over into the gas station that eliminates the unfortunate traffic situation and moore is talking about on steiner that makes that more difficult for the patrons to be on the right-hand side of california and i don't believe there are hi left turns by maybe they can come left the convenience store will be limited to the south west portion of the property that is whatever would fit in there when you accumulate the service areas with the couple of bays as well as the car or two

for queuing or parking before they go in that's a plan i'd like to see if it has legs and maybe if we can't pit together together day i'll see what my fellow commissioners have to say we can't necessarily o glig the project manager to rent the area to the service area i'd like to see that as whatever we can make another motion and encourage it to be an existing customer and obviously have to pay market rate that is a different situation so project manager did you want to speak to my comments. >> yeah. excuse me. the reason why most gas stations are on corners they have two ins and outs is the fuel tanker they

need to get in and out they can't circle a site they can't make the turn generally what's happenings we can't be near parking samuels stalls you assume a car is parked there all the time it is shown they come in from with only direction and drop the fuel and go out another direction so not making unsafe turns tatoui that makes sense but maybe a way for the tankers and not the general public maybe open a barriers for the tanker to get out into stereotyping there is a curve for the service department but normally people can't cut out on steiner that's one of my thoughts i'll see what my fellow commissioners have to say but i'm prepared to try to

propose something like that. >> commissioner richards. >> i guess i'll defer to wait until i hear from commissioner johnson i'll speak after her. >> commissioner johnson. >> yeah. i i'm not in favor over thinking this i want to say the project sponsor location there's a reason to have a curve cut on one street and the other streets but for the for the most part leaving from steiner for the most part i'm not in agreement over thinking this i want to limit the retail space by doing that some other things fall into place if you limit it to 25 hundred square feet that's a lot of space something has to go there the most logical thing

is the service station a good and logical component of a gas station that services audibles be automobiles but i'm not in favor of trying to create barriers and figure out that space i'm not sure that is something first of all we're qualified to do not been architect but full-time designers of gas stations so except commissioner moore i'll see what my fellow commissioners have to say. >> commissioner moore. >> i'd like to just for the benefit of the commission add a comment regarding outline gas stations manage real estate i've been in gas station whether cars where are parked, however when the fuel truck comes the gas station tenant asks the people

where the truck needs the access to move them those are limited moments the turning movement and hooking up the hose requires a space but that's a management not a by rights issue in stations their significance space constraint i'll not agree with the way the applicant described it those spaces have to be kept free and commissioner richards and i'd like to make a motion for the commission to grant conditional use authorization to demolish the non-conforming and the convenience store building with the provision they allow for a retransitioning construction of the convenience store for formula retail and another performing audible station and

the size of the station will be as right. >> second. >> question and commissioner johnson. >> just a question can we condition the construction of the service bay but not the retail use there. >> maybe from staff. >> the repair shop is a non-conforming use it requires conditional use. >> we'll have to require conditional use to put it back. >> okay. that's part of my motion. >> okay. >> commissioner richards made the motion and commissioner antonini seconded that commissioners, if there's nothing further. >> would it be possible to clarify that motion. >> my understanding of the motion as by commissioner richards is to approve the demolition and reconstruction of

the gas station and service station but limiting the retail space to as of right to the 2 the house plus and the retail component anticipate and keep one service bay or the. >> don't think on the minimum two service. >> no uses on the use talking about not the numbers so- >> right. >> at least one. >> it was the land use and figure out how to - >> united states use in general at this location just to reiterate the motion is to allow the information and reconstruction of a gas station with the service station limiting the retail convenience store to as of right which in this case is 2 the house 99

square feet and the formula retail make sure they have to reconstruct the service station. >> right i think if you're going to approve that make it clear it is necessary and desirable to have this - >> i think those components pit together are all necessary and desirable from the staff report so the. >> so to include the necessary. >> necessary and desirability. >> commissioner antonini. >> this motion didn't include the retail component that was approved on steiner or number two, of that it is the service bay but no retail component as part of last thing that was before us today. >> in addition to the convenience. >> not