-- >> in the civic center we have more in the mission corridor as people come and go we do the same thing where there is a large number of people. >> we deploy more resources with a nonprofit organization or where the event officers can can pay for >> the answer is yes the more resources go there before and offer game >> plays, or rivalry with you deploy more resources to the neighborhood? >> yes >> so i just learned this recently i understand that chicago cubs do pay for the entirety of the deployment both inside and outside of the ball work i can call commissioner mic car the and ask him and ask what their agreement is with the cubs >> it's a question i bring up

when we talk about how to fund additional resources for sfpd it's important for managing teams particularly we may have another team coming to san francisco it's important for us in short like developers we're considering what the need is bringing great organizations and resources to the city. >> supervisorer avalos? >> thank you on the kwi of the giants game i recently went to a game on saturday night got there early bobble head night my kids wanted a bobble head we were there an hour early before the game we got the on the t-line outside of the ballpark got off the trine and there is four peace officers >> they work for mta they're on the mta work order

>> so the mta is paying for them in that case so outside of the jurisdiction there are officers who are deployed outside of the park who are not bade for by the giants >> from southern station >> so are they fair check? >> no they're police officers again just large numbers of crowds >> it seemed like i wasn't sure if there was a good use of mta dollars there were four officers before the game my kids couldn't stay the whole time they just wanted the bobble head we left in the middle of the game they were 2-and-a-half hours stan standing in the same place that is an anecdotal thing i wanted to say. i understand the issue around staffing levels at stations as i said i'm supporting the eight

classes we're going to see the next two yeared when i hear about the discussion not having adequate levels of staffing i look that we still have eight classes to put forward before we get to a level we can start looking at okay what are the overall staffing issues in san francisco based on the number that's been hard to get to we will finally get to for a couple of years from now it's hard to conflate what we're going to need after reaching that threshold to 2200 officers that is hard for me to put those together i believe what we have in terms of reaching the threshold we have been trying to reach since 1994 is most important. >> i would just say we look at redistricting every ten years it has been time since we looked at it. 1971 to 1994 it's smart to look

at it at the same time we're looking at redistricting going forward >> thank you supervisor avalos thank you very much. chief. okay sheriff makrimi if you would like to address the committee we would invite you to do so. >> supervisors good afternoon ross rokaraimi for the sheriff's department in san francisco. to this discussion we want to be as helpful as we possibly can over my time as sheriffs we have worked collaboratively for the police department to help with their function to they can redirect their personnel other pressing matters that has been

attempted for several intervals the last 20 years the police department referred to as station transfer units in context this has relevance to the discussion you are having with our partner the police department the reason i want to bring it to your attention what has been remarked about in the press puts things in context what our contribution can be in order to advance the larger public safety needs and staffing challenges before san francisco and city hall. before any money transacted that came to the sheriff's department. from january 14th-15 we were able to stabilize resources for

the mission and tenderloin stations station units have been done before between the sheriff's department and police what is different about this particular pilot a where he were able to follow this on our own to show good faith and commitment but b this has hour by hour and day by day data shift how much time and data savings we were able to benefit in being able to station units versus the police department we knew coming into this pilot and i know that haven't forgotten 1 of the issues that the police department would like assistance with we would like to step up to mayor lee and budget staffs for hospital runs before somebody is brought down to the county jail

to be booked they may have to go to san francisco general first. that can eat an enormous amount of time of a police officer taking somebody to sf general and the requirementses of the sfpd is typically two officers that then have to transport and essentially sit with the certain that is being seen at san francisco general hospital we can do this more effectively and more efficiently because we would have a different staffing structure districting stations you have two officers per station that is 20 officers to book someone down to county jail one or take them to san francisco general hospital we can can do it with two officers with a ferry wagon to be booked

in the jail and or to take them to san francisco general hospital i think what is missed in a contemporary article in a newspaper is reaching out in a partnership that i think is no argument the data speaks for itself we can free officers up especially in busy stations and mission had tenderloin had loyalslulls with the stations i'm confident we can free up officers to turn their attention to the community policing projections they talked about because a sheriff and deputy officer align to q-two align to city hall and taxpayer of us being able to perform a job or us to use a master or

macro approach to pick up detainees arrested instead of the police officers having to do it from the purge of ten different stations it tried before it didn't succeed because there is a lack of funding what i did for the upcoming budget approach for the last two years telegraphing the mayor i think is an an important investment while we're seeing with our jail population and resit vichlsim ke do more for the police department goals you talked about citywide events the districts feel that stretch because officers are then rerouted to citywide events

include us in that discussion i think the term is multidisciplinarian staff plan how we can be assistance in this discussion without stepping on the rules of the sospd i believe the chair supervisor weiner is sitting the pers study you referenced when i was on the committee the same outcomes still exist today that study is we should be doing everything we can from the police department and sheriff's department foot beats is something i'm a fan of if you remember and assist in lowering or alleviating our costs f we are able to look at all of our assets instead of lows where the departments are

we have a committed sheriff's department and the men and women in the sheriff's department who are credentials and can do other things to augment and complement police department that conversation may require a little more discussion what has been tested and well proven is on the station transfer units we're prepared to go to all ten district stations and back up the economics to the city i think it was a miss in the benchmarking police staffing program they didn't include that in the calculations and on hospital beats i think it's a win for the police department and win for us as chef sir accurately said it would require funding we do not have but i'm willing to do it. thank you. >> thank you. avalos? >> what is the amount of the

pilot program? for transfers from the stations to general hospital? >> mission and tenderloin we used existing funds >> so what is the sf for the cost >> we propose 1.3 >> the ideas of collaboration were mentioned in the perf report is that correct? i believe the transfer program is in existence in the past for all the stations what is the difference between the program you are doing to what was being done by the sheriff's department in the past for transfers >> it's been arbitrary it has not gotten the attention that is due that the sheriff's department can can collaborate more intimately and more opportunities for that to happen again looking at macro assets

for what we have to offer is a baseline to have discussion it has never happened that way. >> we talked about we do our budget work and low hanging fruit in this case we're trying to maximize the number of officers that could be in the field this feels like really low hanging fruit the pilot program to free up officers and maybe it's a question for the chief why this wasn't put forward as something that could be effective in a goal we're trying to do one of the subject matterses of this hearing >> i'm not arguing with the needs to replete staffing at all carrying forth my experience as a supervisor on the board of safety with the sheriff's with our challenges, what can we do to assert our resources in a

more efficient and effective way what i'm putting forth is not radical at all. >> i would say not. thank you. >> thank you. any other discussion? no thank you sheriff being here today >> my pleasure more than happy to answer any questions we have reached out to supervisorers if you want to look at the data on station transfer units if you want to know more about hospital runs i would encourage you to have more conversation with us. >> i want to thank the sheriff and police department and controllers office for this meeting i would like to call the seniors up first to speak on this aye time there are a few public comment cards here i will need to step out for a preef moment to take a quick meeting but will return hopefully public

comment will be continuing in my absence the supervisor weiner will chair the rest of the meeting. rex maybe you can can can help me organize your seniors to come and give testimony on items 1 and 2? come to the podium >> may i speak on here behalf we were not expecting here to be here that long and a lot are afraid to come up essentially we have long days now. >> my name is rex la board i'm the director for the community service in the valley i thank you very much for having this hearing this is something we truly support the budget increase for the police department and increase in staffing i have been the

executive director for a-pak now for one year since then we had to deal with a murder earlier this year we have had to deal with a young lady dragged off the bus in the course of being robbed several other robbies that occurred a lot of around this station valley. if i can get the eight-pak members to stand up so the board of supervisors know who you are. a few of them have to leave early. we do support your effort i thank you officers for doing this >> my pleasure thank you. if there are any other seniors that would like to come up and speak first i welcome you i think chris boman if you are here come on up. (speaking off the mic) i'm sorry you can wait if you don't want

to. >> supervisor avalos i'm chris bowman i was around back in 1994 was when prop eight was put on the ballot we planned to do a similar initiative then barry con roy put together an initiative to get nine votes on the ballot back to what supervisorer avalos asked in 1971 it's a consent decrete the courts did back in 1979 which dealt with the lack of minorities and women in the department. and subsequent to that 15 years later the mayor and the board never came up to that level of staffing if you look at the voters handbook 1994 they had

1695 full time staff positions 128 light duty officers and 148 going through the academy. nothing has changed. now the other point i would like to make since you are using the baseline of 1994 population wise when it was 741,000. when the consent decree was issued the population of san francisco was 678,000 so if you do it on the basis of population increase that's a 24% increase instead of 13.3% increase and you are talking about 2450 positions rather than the 2200 you are talking about that. i will leave it at that i will have a second thing going over

fine tuning the actual legislation i think there is reasonable we have nevered reach that level of 1971. ever. >> thank you very much. peter war field. father richard smith jim has rows edward de jesus and depaulma >> i'm peter war field the executive director of the user i would like to request the slides here they were not public to the room or the packet. >> this is from the controllers office and police department? >> correct. library users dot noz have a position on the overall staffing but we do have a suggestion which would be useful with respect to making more police

officers available for police duties that would be basically at no cost that would be to stop using city funds for resident police at san francisco public library that is especially so the library already has a security force with two dozen or more the library security force was recently increased in budget and size based on a controller's report that force should be able to handle the relatively few problems that can't be handle tell us by the regular library staff. i'm talking about a police officer at every single library commission in the back of the room. what is that for? i think it has to do with the criminalzation of decent and potentially intimidating folks who want to participate and take part in meetings the background for this is 2-and-a-half years ago the

city libraryian was found by the fair political practices commission to have violated the law three years in a row regarding financial disclosures he did not report he got gifts thousands of dollarses and had to sign a cocalled stipulation admitting he filed a law and refiling his statements the next commission meeting since then forward a police officer in every meeting that police officer -- >> thank you mr. warfield. just a note to the general rub public comment is two minutes you will hear a soft bell indicating you have 30-seconds remaining the next speaker will be father richard smith followed by jim has rowed by dejesus

followed by depalma can sin karl larisa scott ayala and john bistero. father? >> thank you for reading this important conversation i few weeks ago i in ferguson missouri i talked with many young people sobbing telling their stories what happened to them at the hands of law enforcement as well as the moms sobbing what was happening to their kids at the hands of law enforcement i realize on the way back home di not have to go to furring -- ferguson to hear this i can hear it in mission any day of the week this frames my perception of this resolution i cannot

support it there are too many unanswered questions about the moral integrity of the -- being shot in the back to the scanned lg to the people of color. this moral concerns under mine the credibilities in sfpd in neighborhoods like mine until the department makes structures of accountability are beginning to be in place i cannot support this proposal one reason given for expanding the police force is that prop 47 has supposedly released low level criminals back to the street to commit more crimes, according to this per spepgs a police force is needed to confront. the increased crime rate from prop 47 but the increased crime

rate since prop 47 only 19 people have been released from the county jail unless they have been busy they cannot account for the increased crime rate you can't mram 47 for the increased crime rate nor can you use it -- >> thank you very much. next speaker please? >> good afternoon supervisorer my name is kevin karl the directive ho tell from the san francisco we employ 20,000 in san francisco i one of those that work in san francisco as well we strongly suggest to look at the staffing we have been working with the police officers to get more beat on the streets i have to commend the police officers they have worked with

us because it's a request we have been working with us for a while that would help to get at that fine solution so we can have officers on the streets that can make all of us feel safe not just our employees and residents but the guests and our hotels we have advocated for additional officers so our hotel guests can can feel safe ear one of the things we wrestle with daily they tell us they love our city they love the restaurants and being here but they're not coming back because they're concerned about the safety for themselves or their families they will tell us that and post it on social media when they're on the streets the things we witness every day they're witnessing also that is strong and the fact that would look at getting us not only up to the

mandated level is beyond that is something that we feel strongly about we think it's important for the residents and employees alike to support this initiative >> mr. car roll you are saying that the people are filling up our hotels in san francisco are there for the very first time >> not necessarily but what they experience in san francisco -- >> you said they don't want to come back it sounds like they are >> people do come back to the city but they post it out there. next >> next speaker please? >> afternoon supervisors thank you so kindly for convening this meeting my name is ann dejesus i'm a member of day view residents improving their environment i'm here to 100% support this initiative my gross

root group bright initiative brought forth an initiative if you shootings in the city throughout the city we see this as furthering our own initiative in addition to being a member of bright i eleventh at 4830 street which is near men dale plaza the source of a lot of drug dealing we know police cannot totally arrest their way out of crime but having police there in their neighborhood throughout the stir is a strong deterrent i want to support that and that can you so much having this conversation >> thank you next speaker please? >> good afternoon supervisorers my name is andrea ayelo i'm the executive director for the castro upper market benefit community district while me board has not had a chance to

weigh on the record this proposal around population i'm here because i would like to speak to the fact that community policing is important and the community benefit district supports the continued increase in police staff that are being able to walk the beat and to be in the neighborhoods. the community benefit district is the lead agency in a collaborative project in the castro market area called castro cares castro is paying for dedicated additional police officers and dedicated additional homeless outreach workers to be out on the streets in castro it's funded in part by residents so we're raising for resident ares to pay for addiction editional policing in the neighborhood and have raided

mru the merchant in the community $75,000 to do this. this wouldn't be happening if the residents didn't feel like they need to have more foot patrols in the neighborhood and the officers comment on every time a ten b works for us they comment that residents are continually thanking me they love working the neighborhood because they thank them thank you officers for being here this is from the data we have been collecting the fund raising we have been able to do is testament that people want foot patrols and policing in order for that to happen we need more police officers >> thank you next speaker please? >> good afternoon.

my name is michelle. for the -- foundation the reason i'm here to express my dismay at such an important propose nalg for a huge chunk of money towards the police budget when we still begging for more throughout the city -- >> if i can ask that the side conservations we want to listen to the speaker if you need to have a side conservation you can step out so we can hear what people are saying. thank you. >> well what do i do then? >> if everyone if the interpreter can can relay that as well thank you. >> it seems like it's more important to live and weight for