sacramento county had eight stages of inspections already where the inspectors were on the site but only one time did they look for accessibility at the end. we looked at the dsa inspection card has 52 sign offs and of the 52 sign offs they're at numerous stages depending on the complexity of the project and there were three times that anybody checked accessibility out of the 52. we concluded sampling many others from smaller cities to other agencies like fire agencies that it's probably not the best use of everybody's time to just check it once or twice at the end. maybe we should integrate it in a process to inspect it over time and that way we can incorporate any shortcoming with corrections. if the plumbing

is in the wrong position we can catch that before the finishes are set and the concrete is pored -- i am sorry i said that backwards and with the toilet on top. that's the painful time so we developed our thought process of this tickler form of check list would have phases that integrates what goes on in the natural construction project and when officials are on site so we concluded there are good opportunities for example for site walkways and surfaces at the rough grading stage or the form work stage before your foundations are pored or before the walkways and ramps are pored. we determined there were opportunities during rough framing. do we have the necessary clearances for the doors and rough plumbing and

rough electrical. lastly during the final stages many things happen before the last sign off such as elevators get checked, restrooms get checked and cabinets and counters, dinking fountains and alarms and signages and all have multiple opportunities to integrate any necessary corrective step so we geared our check list highlighting those natural progressions, and i'm happy to show it and hold it up, and show you the fold out formats, but what we have is a topic at rough grade. here is where you may look. at a rough electrical you maybe over here, and you can see the progression of lists does get bigger and longer, but it gives us an opportunity to have

it -- parking for example in the code sections, what you would look at during each of the stages so i am very happy to show this and share it. we posted it in numerous locations. we have it available in a trifold. we have it on the ccda website which we can pull up and illustrate here. i don't know how the technical side works, but -- there you go. we have it available in a finish document stage. and it's also available as a multiple document for each agency as a word document if we so choose, so this is a tool. it's a working tool, and we just first welcome the usage, the molding because this is our

first crack and we're here to reflect what works. if there are suggestions or for example a situation in san francisco maybe different than a situation in a smaller municipality. this maybe crafted by each agency for its usage. it's not meant to be a static document. we will attempt to keep it up-to-date for each of the code cycles. for example in the 2013cbc that was issued january 1, 2014 and effective date we also have the addendum -- sorry, is that the right therm? but the july 1 changes issued in 2015 so we again go back. we will augment any code changes or any other issues in this so that we keep it as a living and breathing document. again we're very proud of the efforts that went

into this, and the kinds of surveys and feedback and data. we had help along the way from cal bo in running surveys with its membership. we had help with building standards commission surveying their membership. we had input from a lot of organizations, and there is much time and energy that went into this. there's a lot of pats on the back that are due, and it's my point in the meeting to turn over this to one of the commissioners, betty wilson and chris downey to help recognize all of the efforts and further this meeting so thank you very much. [applause] >> okay. now this is an

example of accessibility because here we are being that i'm using a wheelchair today and my fellow commissioner mr. downey is walking with his cane, and we're now going to provide you with some information that you might not have known. many of our commissioners really did take great part in developing this checklist and it's an unique document. it's one they consider as a living document. as we get new information we

plan to keep it updated and at this time i would really would like very much if our vice chair would bring -- i guess bring up to our dais here, or bring up to me or whatever. i want to recognize the members of the committee, of the checklist committee who put in many long hours to making this a reality, and i want you to know that we as commissioners are committed to working on universal or actually access for all. we want everyone to have an opportunity to get and be involved in community life as well as take part in the government process, take part in all of the things that are allowed us as american citizen exercise those who are tourists that come from. >> >> countries. we prevery

pleased to say that and chris downey commissioner -- chris downey has been the chair of this whole under taking, and i would like to -- of the education and outreach committee. we're a standing committee of the commission and it's our charge also to try to get the word out all over the state as well as the country and anywhere else, anyone that is going to listen. we need to have the word state wide so this is why the checklist committee is one good document and a very good start so commissioner downey if you have more to add go right ahead. >> thank you betty, commissioner wilson. it's a pleasure to be here and part of this event and especially it's exciting to be part of an effort to improve the process for getting things built properly in the environment to catch things at the appropriate times so

when it's finally completed that that things have been caught along the way in the most efficient manner as possible to everyone's benefit, the business owner, the client, and the department and the people at large, so it's an exciting day and a pleasure to be part of this and thanks for the work of the checklist committee. >> so at this time i would like to ask our vice chair to acknowledge the members of the committee who have really worked hard and have produced such a successful and extraordinary document. i think it's one of a kind frankly. >> well, i will read the list and hopefully you can still hear me but we had on the check list committee mike brinkman building official and consultant. [applause]

and ida claire with the division of state architect. she couldn't be here today. we had sue mo with the division of state architect who couldn't be here. we have stoyan [inaudible] of housing and community development. [applause] and we had participant from american institute of architects, california council kirk [inaudible] and gary [inaudible]

[applause] we have one of our other commissioners michael pairvana. looks like he is in sacramento at this point and we got more envelopes. who am i leaving out? myself. [laughter] [applause] [inaudible] with that i hope i didn't omit anybody. thank you very much for all the hard work and the group [inaudible] and product and look forward to evolving this thing and making sure it is working for everybody. thank you. [applause] >> just to conclude our section we look forward to all of you continuing the work on making california one of the most -- the most accessible state in the union because

believe me i travel a lot and we are better than most, but we have a long way to go, and thank you so much for being here, and witnessing this historical moment actually. okay thank you. [applause] >> now at this point in our meeting i have great pleasure to introduce the next person on the agenda. yoni fong manages the disability access compliance program for the coastal region of sutter health. she works closely with facility planners, architects, contractors and -- i'm sorry, architects and contractors that are responsible for completing barrier removal projects on existing sites. prior to joining sutter health she was the executive director of the california berkeley

based center for independent living whose mission was to promote inclusion of all people with disabilities so at this point it gives me pleasure to turn the meeting over to yomi to run the balance. >> thank you. can everybody hear me okay? great. so it's a great honor to be here. i am not a building inspector or an architect but i work with them and i appreciate all of the hard work and the focus and the attention to detail that goes into what it is that you do, and as a person with a disability i also know what it feels like when we miss the mark, and we miss opportunities to catch things, so i think that this is an exciting moment. it is a historic moment and i think it falls in line nicely with the 25th anniversary of the americans with disabilities act which is what our country is celebrating this summer so congratulations to the commission and to the sub-committee that put this

together. it looks like a lot of work went into it. i mean it's just a couple of pages when you fold it out but i know it's a lot of detail involved so we're going to spend about the next 40 minutes or so having a discussion with people who work in the field who are going to talk about the checklist and about some of the challenges and opportunities that they see today, so as i call your name and start to interviews -- introduce you make your say up to the stage. gary lehman has developed surveys and inspections in california and nevada since 1987 and in construction for over 35 years, building inspection, plan review since 1987 and a california licensed contractor since 1995. he holds a bachelor's degree in construction management and masters in public administration. he is a certified accessibility specialists who has performed

more than 500 accessibility evaluations for public accommodations and public facilities so welcome gary. jeff bytheway and has experience as a licensed contractor and serving the city of los angeles since 2006. he is a senior building inspector with the city of los angeles. has served as the training officer for the los angeles building residential and energy and zoning codes and a certified access specialists. welcome jeff. randy goodwin. randy has 30 years of experience in building architecture and open space development. he earned his degrees in architecture from montana state university and randy works for the city of west sacramento as the architectural projects manager and city architect and building official. it's a lot

of job and a commissioner serving on the seismic safety commission. welcome. arnie lerner. here we go. hi arnie. he earned his bachelor's degree from the university of kansas in design and has been a architect in the preservation and accessibility committees for the last 30 years and became a specialists with the california division of the state architect. in addition mr. lerner has served on the board of directors of the san frapt -- san francisco architects board and on the access appeals commission serving as the president for the next year. elizabeth rider. she is a constant advocate for the building code and its proper

use. most especially to ensure that accessibility is followed through both on plan review and in the field. mrs. rider currently serves as examiner for commercial and residential projects and done numerous inspections of accessible features in commercial facilities and served as building official, plan examiner and building inspector in numerous jurisdictions and she is currently employed by csg consultants and serves as the building official for the city of pacifica. jeff james is the chief building inspector for the county of fresno and spent the last 17 years working for public agencies as a plans examiner and building official and holds a bachelor's degree in architect and you are a master's degree in eek logical design and certified plan inspector and building official and jeff is a director

with the california department of building officials so welcome to the panelists so i'm going to just throw out an open ended question and whoever would like to lean in and answer the question feel free so kind of two fold. what are some of the challenges you face to improve compliance with accessibility regulations, and how might this new checklist might improve your efforts? go ahead randy. >> sure. i am in a small jurisdiction -- first of all i want to thank the commission for inviting me. i'm humbled and i am surrounded by people who are much more knowledgeable than i am and i hope i can share something today, and one of

those things is my appreciation for the checklist. in my jurisdiction we are in a building boom as in many jurisdictions and we see high rise buildings coming into a small jurisdiction that hasn't had them before and we had one 19 story building at completion -- it's a classic story it had accessibility problems and the only way to deal with them was really to go in structurally change some things, so this list as simple as it is would have helped dra -- dramatically and it was before i was building official and i heard the nightmares and this will assist the developers and

the clients it will also assist those behind the counter, the regulators and i talked to my inspectors and they are graciously thankful, and they do use the list now. the one thing that they -- one of my inspectors one of his favorite comments is "make it look like the picture" and his comment was "more pictures." the fact that it's a word document and i will take that back to him makes it

>> we do perform numerous over the counter permits to check for accessibility. we review the plans the same but most of it is accessibility comes with commercial. however, when they come for -- say they're putting in a ramp for barrier removal because i have a process in the city of orvil to come in and pull permits for that that i will actually provide them with the information and handouts that are specifically out of the code to be able to do that to assist them in the process, so that's how i assist with over the counter permits if it comes to that with commercial. >> thank you. can somebody just talk about how this

checklist might help small businesses better comply with california's accessibility regulations? >> this is steve dolim and as part of that checklist committee i would have to say remember this was a list geared to trained building federals who d -- officials and have the code at their fingertips and more knowledgeable with the code than the common business person so i would say this is not geared to the common business person but to a practicing business official and may encourage that they need counsel as a small business before embarking on their changes. >> yes? >> i think the value for a small business person is that it makes a list in simple terms of the kinds of things they need

to be asking about for their store like doors and series. what does it mean? and it allows them to ask the question and if they're energetic they can see the code online but allows them to ask the builder or architect what does it mean and introduces them to the code opposed to going to a code document they would be lost. >> thank you. so just wondering how your departments have engaged california as access specialists in plan review and site inspections? has this helped to improve accessibility compliance? >> gary. i will jump into that. i unfortunately have not successfully passed the test yet. i have taken it a few times. i have come close, but

that knowledge and cass specialists that we work with we often refer businesses -- it's a good segue from the prior question because we have small business -- many small businesses that say we've been asked to comply and what do we do? so we refer them typically to a certified access specialists. we help them as well. we have certified access specialists who work with us through a local consultant and it's a program that not only has served the disabled community it's helped small business i think significantly. >> anyone on the panel who is a certified accessibility specialists want to talk a

little bit how you work with small businesss if that's at all part of your scope? >> this is gary lehman. i'm a certified access specialist, and i am also the chief building official for the city of orvil so what i do in assisting the small businesses in our community is i reach out to them through the chamber of commerces. with the chamber of commerces what i provide to them -- once again as i indicated proactive is the ability that i will for free of charge because i am community service go to their site in their business and walk the business. have them have a list and i will indicate to them what kind of barriers they may have within their business and they put that list together. this is then what

generates the barrier removal of the barriers in a kind way. what it has done is open the businesses to come in freely and feel comfortable coming into the building department and be comfortable with myself coming into their business because i'm not going in there saying "you have to do this" and knocking at the doors to shut them down. i'm going in and saying ", well here's the things that i see and when you have the money and the time to get them done that you can then -- you can come and get a permit for one at a time. you don't have to do it all at one time, and this has been very helpful with our community, and at the same time when they come into the building department i have the handouts ready for them and a lot of time is providing a ramp or providing accessible

counter or providing accessible seating, simple stuff they weren't aware of. a lot of times it's move the planner out from the strike side of the door so individuals can use the door so sometimes it's not even requiring a architecture barrier to be fixed but just to be relocateed. >> and i bet they're relieved when you give the short punch list of the easily removable barriers the low hanging fruit items and they don't have to spend a lot of money to do that. >> they are. once again we have advocates in our city like many cities. some speak louder than others, but the advocates also feel comfortable with the process that goes, and they see that businesses are acting in a positive way and a positive approach and this helps them

sleep at night better because they don't have this overwhelming shadow over their head not knowing what needs to be done but not always able to afford a cass to come in and give a full survey. >> i have a question for either jeff or liz about code enforcement in your jurisdictions, so how are accessibility regs currently enforced in say los angeles, a very big city or pacifica which is a little bit smaller? >> well as we look at the commercial buildings and that's really where we need to concentrate we have a group of guys. i have 85 to 89 commercial building inspectors that work the 465 square miles of the city of los angeles and they're responsible to make sure that the accessibility is done

properly, and as the training officer -- excuse me, one of my jobs is make sure they're updated on the code, and last week when i got the finalized version of the checklist and quite frankly our -- the city of l.a.'s guru had a hand in that. in fact she asked me to review it months back and i made a few suggestions and i saw that they were on there. i don't know if they were on there or before or not but the nice thing about the code is it doesn't have the pictures. the pictures takes up too much room and i gave it to the guys and they were appreciative. one of the reasons they were appreciative of it a year after the new code came out they're

not comfortable finding it and 11b was a total rewrite and most of the inspectors in our city are -- let's just say we're not spring chickens anymore. we came in after working several years as contractors or what have you and our average age is in the higher 50's and learning a new code as big of a change it was was not easy for them and this is nice. this gives the code section. they know the measurements. they don't need it written down or pictures and scope has changed and they get that but for the most part the numbers haven't changed that greatly. there's a little bit -- and the thing is in the last three code cycles between