you're saying 7 or 9 what would you have said last year for 2015-2016. >> based on what i knew then and yes. >> i'd have to go back and look i can find out we submitted a list of list of terms nation and retirements last year as well we're bagging our salaries projections based on what we know now that's the better carrot for our salary savings and because there were changes you're saying now even the ones leaving you can fill those positions quicker. >> it used to be every position in city government 90 in

addition to getting the dhs dhs that was changed and the change now to allow annex approval as long as as long as you have the salaries to cover and that's why it is important to have sufficient money in our budget if you don't you'll not been able to fill the budgeted positions. >> thank you, mr. chair one other comment the gentleman when we came before i last year, he knew the rules the rules were that the mayor's office was going to hold up he couldn't fill those positions in an expressed basis he know that at this point yet he told you he didn't absorb the attrition savings we proved were significantly more but ended up with a $400,000 surplus today,

we agree he can higher those position without the mayor holding up the position we're making a similar recommendations based on the new rules we acknowledge. >> so based on the new rules we'll not have a delay i think mr. rose made my case. >> i said we considered the new rules and came up with a significant similarly savings and maybe there if i'm still alive we've come back to the committee replay our testimony and see who was right. >> okay supervisor yee more comments. >> okay supervisor mar. >> thank you, thank you both of you i'm not concerned about who is right or wrong sir, you

mentioned you're all right short a significant amount in salaries can you reiterate what that number is. >> right if you - here i'll put it up on the screen here all right. as you can see here that we if our attrition is increased our salaries are decreased and if look at those are the 9 positions of individuals resigning retiring or leaving the department and as you can see our targeted amount of attrition is $706,000 plus the projected deficit before the budget analyst recommendation is going to be $400,000 plus so day one july 1st i've already got to begin to save that $400,000 i will but if you add again the 2

hundred 6701 to that state will increase you know is deficit in salary savings i don't want to come back we've work hard with kate howard and the mayor's office mayors budget analyst to determine the correct amount of savings supervisor farrell was the chair of the committee and told me you better not be back here for a supplemental we've at the time e set the attrition and i'm here to make sure we can cover the costs. >> you've already mentioned that your staff or your attorneys were at will i'm glad that got resolved so hiring the clerk attorneys or body camera

staff a process i believe that some of the positions d h r and you've signed off on and you mentioned a lack of fairness for the city attorney or the da and the cuts awe transmission suzette's cuts are not proposed for other departments can you elaborate. >> from the theory of the budget analyst if you have salary surplus at the end of the year your attrition should be increased eir represent of the needs you've shown that is not fair if you apply it to one department i don't hear mr. rose making the argument with other law departments they're getting

a $200000 increase but the public defenders for a decrease on top of the da is getting 5.6 percent we're getting 3 percent your creating an inequality between the public defender and the city attorney. >> mr. chairman it is so misleading on the part of a to tell you to compare the district attorney and the city attorney in terms of our recommendations we looked at each dependent on an individual basis and if there are salary saves with the district attorney or the city attorney we'll recommend the salary savings be achieved we give you our honest objective recommendations of each department and to make this comparison is totally unequivocal ably misleading. >> thank you, thank you very much commissioner tang.

>> thank you i do want to concur that i from my understanding the da and the city attorney took the cost of attrition i'm trying to figure out a path forward i agree what supervisor farrell i hope not to see you for a supplemental i want to give you an amount of attrition to help you chief our goals the $400,000 deficit you've predicted i'm assuming the assumption you're trying to hire someone by july 1st; is that correct. >> lecturer with mr. rose's analyst said no way that the public defender will higher r hire those 3 attorneys despite the fact he told me told him we've started the whole process and we would have those people

on july 1st so we disbelieved me they asked for letters i sent them letters that attrition argument he made disappeared and he came up with a new one. >> no matter what you told the committee last year it was on tape not out of thin air. >> gentlemen thank you. >> i'm trying to figure out a compromise here with the i guess the expedited hiring process you believe sir you, hire you can fill our staff positions by july 1st and the other side disagrees can we give you a level of attrition there maybe details in hire is there a level

you'll be comfortable with the $13,000. >> i wasn't clear the employees have been hired so they're starting on july 1st there is no detail and i've provided the letters that are microwave mansions with the contracts my requests is that the budget analyst requests that our salaries be reduced by 26701 and be rejected in its entire outlet. >> supervisor wiener. >> thank you. i have first of all i agree with mr. rose those two departments have to be looked at separately i've had disagreements with the gentleman the da has to have the same those departments are unique and they handle one percent of the

criminal cases and the city attorney doesn't handle criminal cases i've not always did with the gentleman but i agree with the gentleman it is not a civil services hiring process the department as significant control over the timing and so for the i will make a motion to accept the budget analyst cut recommendations with the two exceptions that the gentleman has pointed out related to the attrition savings and the manage 3 positions. >> i'll second and okay motion by supervisor wiener and seconded by supervisor mar colleagues any discussion do we need a roll call vote or can we

take that without objection? okay we'll take that without objection. >> okay. we have department of emergency management and the department of technology. >> good afternoon supervisor farrell and members of the board of education and the director i'm here with the department of emergency i want to thank harvey rose and his staff we've tried to come to a consensus and agree what the budget analyst recommendation for 2015-2016 in the $45,000 plus allocation or reduction and 2016-201732 thousand dollars plus what we can't agree to the proposed reductions in our 9-1-1

communications area i believe that most of i've briefed over the past three or four years our call volume has increased by 1/3rd 3 hundred thousand calls a year more than we used to have overtime budget this curiosity year was one point 20th century $1 million but we've spent more we had to came back for a supplemental to this board we thank you for that service standards for answering 9-1-1 calls within 90 percent need to be answered within 10 seconds last year at this time we were reaching 69 percent of the calls being answered within ten seconds that's not acceptable to the residents of san francisco more our first responder in fire police and sheriff we're

the unseen first responders if you will, and so i think that is important for the board to understand that we very aggressively work to bring our numbers up this year in terms of the call swerz we're hoover about 81 or 82 percent of our calls answered between 10 seconds we're proud of that at the same time, we have created efficiency within the departments that are prosperity is about 15 percent higher than two years ago the bottom line here is that we've done that through theus use of over time we have two academy classes scheduled next year but the reality from the time a class is seated in this case, the 12 will be seated in september it's a full year before they hit the floor we appreciate the new dispatcher classes that are planned for the coming year it

will not impact our service levels for 2015-2016 so i respectfully ask you do not support those both the attrition and over times recommendations of the budget analyst for 2015-2016 and 2016-2017. >> i'll be happy to answer any questions. >> thank you, ma'am. >> colleagues, any questions before we go to mr. rose's report. >> okay mr. rose on dem. >> the recommendations total 258 in 2015-2016 and 191 plus in 2016-2017. >> the disagreements are page 1017 of the report we stated to reduce the over time budget by

291 and the over time job budget increase to account for higher over times to address the overtime the 2015-2016 budget includes 2 classes to bring up to 24 communication dispatchers those new hires will be offset by expected retirements and separation in 2015-2016 department is increase the temporary backfills the savings is 1 other 7 plus and the total recommended savings of 1015 plus we suggest you adjust the numbers with the surplus of 7 hundred plus the department increased the attrition savings to allow for increased hire.

>> thank you, mr. rose colleagues any questions for mr. rose. >> ma'am, any response. >> one thing in the attrition savings this is a been recommended by the budget analyst is .77 percent i believe and from our calculations that means the second class this year instead of be able or being able to hire 6 we'll hire 9 dpaefrnz we've worked with the players on the hiring plan as police and fire have we believe that we've made a very justified budget we didn't you couldn't ask for more than what we need but based on our past performance and spending. >> thank you, ma'am supervisor tang. >> thank you. i just wanted to thank you, director for briefing united states i us ahead of time

i understand what you've said this is an unseen and upper sunk heros in emergency services i very much agree with all the information you've provided me i would like to make a motion to accept i believe in year one $8000 plus in terms of the cuts savings attrition as well the overtime and in year two a cut of $32,000 plus. >> thank you supervisor i believe the first year cut we agree to say $45,000 plus because one of the savings was not in our - one the proposed recommendations from the budget analyst was not part of communications it was in our admin area we - it is 9-1-1 in terms of not having the cuts.

>> through the chair i rise my motion to $45,000 plus and year two 32 thousand. >> motion by supervisor tang supervisor mar any further discussion we'll take that without objection. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much supervisors. >> okay. now our department of technology. >> colleagues supervisor wiener had to leave to do a vote on land use commission he's able to come back we'll resend that vote and make it again, sir you don't why not getting to our discussion. >> good afternoon. thank you supervisor farrell and supervisors i too want to start off by changing mr. rose and his office for all the hard work but

in addition to the typical work i think we've posed a unique challenge we're a department in significant transition that contributed to all the work that went on to acknowledge that as part of the budget request we've excused even at recess and received an adjusted proposal from mr. rose's office a few 340789s before this session but unfortunately, we are in disagreement. >> okay sir mr. rose. >> does the department agree with any of our recommendations and we've suggested to mr. rose's office was to get a categorically look at additional attrition and also a reduction to current expenses line items like support contracts and enterprise

agreement but we will have to go to smaller departments and ask them to self-fund their departments. >> one second to that dollar amount you came to - >> the two nebraska's numbers together are $675,000. >> in year one and two. >> yes, sir. the additional attrition that creates challenges i can articulate but nevertheless we'll figure out how to work with that and the 375 contract items we've offend that number to mr. rose's office. >> i want to make sure we have those zucchinis what you'll or comfortable with 675 those are ongoing savings i want to hear from mr. rose's office the discussion on that and we'll

have it discussion here. >> >> yes. mr. chairman, and members of the committee the totals recommended reduction in 2015-2016 are $2 million plus excuse me. >> i'm sorry one million dollars plus i stand corrected for 2015-2016 and in 2016-2017873325 the department disagrees with all our recommendations, however i can deliver our recommendations whatever up to the committee. >> colleagues, any deduction comes from mr. rose. >> supervisor tang. >> i guess the comment again, i spent time speaking with the

director not only prior 0 this budget a hearing but him entering his new role and i'll say that you know i'll agree with the attrition of $300,000 every year i feel all the years as on the board of supervisors why they can't do this and i understand there are a lot of vacancies and positions i'd like to give the new director the opportunity to fill those positions and do all the things that are asked of him i know that is a tall order i know we're quite a ways off but i feel especially with our department of technology year by year in terms of the cuts we've given to this department we

should put the money where our ideas are and have the room to expand on ideas again, i know we're quite a ways off i'll side with the department on this one. >> okay supervisor mar. >> i would support supervisor tang's suggestion i do know that as we try to expand our reach to low income communities throughout sf whiff our city has great potential in alledgedly the broadband to the homes to all the public sites is big task and having an adequate staff and operations for the departments is incredible and other mayors are looking at san francisco my hope we support the gentleman and the 3 hundred plus 75 thousand i'll wish supportive of

that. >> thank you supervisor mar and i'll echo that obviously the gentleman eye i and i have worked on initiatives from whiff and other broadband into the home i know our budget analyst did a good job we have a department in transition and my colleagues had indicated i want to give you as much leeway as possible i remember coming out the board of supervisors unloading the announcements we've come a long ways so oil support this going forward so i know that supervisor tang i don't know if you've formally made a motion i'll allow supervisor wiener up on the mike first. >> thank you mr. chairman i

want to reiterate your comments i'll one up you i started with cc mail if anyone remembers that i have a i really want to support the department of technology i've had krichlgz over time i don't feel it moved quickly enough to implement policies nevertheless of the structure build out of wifi and i feel like there is finally momentum happening 53 we should support that and if there is clearly a lack of urgency around hiring in the past that seems to be changing i don't think we should tar the gentleman's that you have i'll consider eating

the paper with mr. rose if i'm wrongs but i'll think about it so i'll be supporting the department today. >> thank you, supervisor supervisor tang you want to make the motion. >> i'll make the formal motion of the cut of 6 hundred and 75 thousand for the different technology. >> we have that motion as previously discusses a second by supervisor mar and sounds like we'll take that without objection. >> okay. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. >> mr. rose unless i'm mistaken. >> you're correct mr. chairman we've completed all the departments there is still a lot more work to do but thank you, mr. rose and so colleagues 1, 2, 3 here i'd like to entertain a motion. >> - >> mr. chairman can i ask for

to reopen the police budget and i'll give my reasons for why to do this so - i think that is important we placed on reserve i think that was about $2 million for the cameras bending the completion of the task force i'd like to make a similar motion on two of the academy classes that police car roman theldzfield's in salaries and fringe benefits for fiscal year 2015-2016 pending the completion of the plans for training all the officers for the deputy chief ali had a meeting and the chief suhr said will be in place very soon if not right away but my hope to support the police department to develop that anti

bias train given the racism homophobic texting and to make sure we element bias from the police and the justice system to reopen the police budget in other words to reinsert that motion to put $2 million plus in reserve for the two i guess fourth and fifth police academy classes as mentioned in public safety hearing on thursday and as chief suhr has noted to me in our communications to each other it is in progress. >> okay supervisor mar i believe that motion technically to resend the motion on the police department. >> i move we resend the motion on the police department for to

reopen. >> mr. rawlins field talk about that. >> supervisors you continue to have the whole budget you can take months ago on this. >> okay colleagues further any discussion on this motion supervisor wiener and first of all, clarification to make the motion what kind of when you say put it on reserve this is for the upcoming 2015-2016 the post budget is 5 academy classes that will put on reserve numbers four and five clarify the kind of reserve. >> mr. rawlins field we placed on budget reserve it comes back to the budget and finance committee. >> somr. chairman i will be

voting against this i believe we need training because of the homophobic and other text messaging and the department needs to move aggressively in terms of anti bias training and other types of trains but to delay the hiring of police officers and this will have the effect of dlaif much needed police officers you have to ramp up to get to a police academy class the mayor i strongly support the mayors proposal to increase the numbers of police academy classes if 3 to 5 that is basically the most that the academy can handle we have a desperate shortage of police officers in the city even in the hearing when at land use we considered the resolution that supervisor cowen and i authorized t