a legacy business basically, it ought to proceed in some such a quasi if you're this wu you can proceeded to the next question if not, we're done here so work through the first 10 questions questions or whatever and now we've value dated you've met the criteria for a legacy business now we'll evaluate of all the legacy businesses in san francisco do you attribute there's a subjective it is fact and the other is story telling keep it to the facts now we would like to hear our story; right? >> perfect. >> yeah. >> i do think we oust to when

we list the criteria to give them an idea of the points they must hit and i like the fact it maybe not the point i don't know about the points and how to grade them but it will help us if we were to raise the questions that are of importance to us for them to address. >> so air force. >> - >> the eligibility criteria pretty well independence what comes below it i'm wondering whether or not we need to expand what we've already done. >> certainly, if you provide a lot of jobs you may not provide a lot of jobs but make a huge philanthropic donation to the

city so there are ways to contribute to the community and i know that we should prompt but prompt the business here's some ways that you might be contribute to the community. >> all right. >> kind of don't forget about those. >> some of the us dignities around the physical features or requiring some kind of documentation is specifically for businesses that are a long time businesses and if they've not stayed in the family burr been bout by other owners sort of the discussion on tommy's joint the new owners we're not changing anything but the new ordinances have kept the name and the same vibe but changed it not the original place their needs to be some kind of.

>> standards. >> standards or you know requirement that over the times especially if there's multiple changes in ownership they could give an example of the logos over a period of time or pictures but they need to sort tell that story if written or pictures or some kind of supportive documentation so but if you think that you know your going to i mean obviously a work in process to get a sense of the applications what staff looks at and maybe there's not enough information for us to feel confident about making the donation that certification then we'll take it

from there i'll work with our recommendations to simplify there are two things to think about with this this is not the actual application but what needs to be required in the- this is sort of how i started work with this what are the measurable components but go back and ask in the application you know so some of the stuff maybe condensed but you might parcel it out as you look at it. >> i'm certainly happy to do that for you. >> let's not forget about the process the application is going to come through the board of supervisors and they going to ask you to look at this application say whether it is fulfilling the

requirements or directly we'll get applications and it there will be - >> it's going to be. >> right. >> so either way we'll have to have a method of recommending and it will come back to us for con affirmation so in order to make recommendations we have to have guidelines in my opinion we can't rely the staff can't rely on a narrative to make recommendations. >> i think a lot less than lines because of the volume where we have 3 hundred i mean eventually the numbers will dribble down to be fair to all businesses some strict guidelines but no so many. >> and again it will really i think it comes down to what benefit does the business want out of this

again, i get to the idea that part of this potentially is the ability of funds; right? if a business comes to us and says we don't want anything from you by the sticker on their window it is our best interests to build out the list as soon as possible so many legacy businesses are promoting the fact their legacy businesses to it has some matt haney; right? i understand anchors is the perfect example what little money they if their luke they'll say cool i want to put the legacy business lowball on the entrance to the brewery and the back of the label >> that's the whole point. >> this is san francisco. >> right. >> 0 so this vest process we're

laboring over right now is reilly going to apply to the subset that'll they're looking for financial assistance and so it ain't going to be easy oh i heard this was money intoxicate had they're here to shake the tree they're here because they want fund we want not only to appeal to those in trouble but anyone that wants to celebrate their this legacy business and that's where i think you know some of the money ought to be spent coming up with a nice you know door to door prengs presentation and the fact. >> i have a question for director we had a lot of discussion do you think you have enough to go

back and rice e rise the application. >> the key thing you're not interested in having some kind of you know waiting or muttered metric in terms of you know in terms of how the application you know any kind of scoring or waiting it really i think you're wanting to give a list of guidance so i'm com back to you what is the list of guidelines and then from there that will be you know maybe there's a little bit more information we add so someone says off i'm. >> culturally competent business and in this cultural area then they need to sort of you know describe how their business fits that what is the

language we use around that. >> you don't need the waiting hey, i'm star legacy business i'm a had star legacy business. >> asian-american - >> i didn't want to interpret it a four or five star but more to give a little bit of assurance that all the components are there but if you feel like you don't need that that is completely fine. >> and like regina said if we have issues. >> we have a lot of discussion maybe you have enough to come up with a revised one for us to look at it so that will speed up a little bit. >> maybe we should go home and study that i'm going to wait for the revised one. >> this is enough of the you don't like this direction so laura (laughter)

so which is fine because really you know you'll be making the final decision i'm here to help you get to that place. >> okay. >> so if you can revise it and send it out before the next meeting so if we have additional comments by the next meeting we'll be ready for approval. >> perfect. >> and then one thing i did leave off that based on the fact it says that the business has operated in one location or wait businesses contributed to the identity of particular neighborhoods or communities there are as i'm looking through the business registration certain entities that are required to register with the

city we require it property owners who have apartment buildings and things of that nature so i think i will need to have - we'll need some discussion in terms of the types of entities fit into the program as to what those constitute services and neighborhood businesses or. >> an apartment complex? >> yeah. so you know. >> sorry about that that one. >> so i'll get that one to you based on some of the intent of the legislation i am making i'm doing some filtering especially, when we contact for the surveys i'm doing many filtering i will - we'll need to review that. >> would you sends out the surveys first before the

clarification. >> we'll not be send an application. >> okay. >> the application will be either the business approaches our office and we will say here's the application and then once they've implemented the application staff will make the determination that is implemented the application to the degree it is needed if that business is not forwarded to the office by the supervisor or the mayor we'll forward it on to the mayor or supervisor. >> when do you plan on sending out the survey. >> i'd like to get it out within two weeks from now at the latest. >> we will have a better idea what we're looking at for . >> right because of wanting to do- i won'table to contact all

legacy businesses even with mailing to them i'm doing some presort of. >> that make sense. >> okay. >> let's wrap up. >> yeah. >> there's the survey and we will - we will be building the survey online if there's anything i think is missing from the data and information you may want to see from the survey then let me know. >> okay. >> by thursday. >> okay. >> all right. any others comments on this so item 7 is dispatched. >> okay. we have what. >> public comment. >> oh public comment sorry about that. >> do we have public comment on this item. >> i thought you were here just to watch us. >> (laughter). >> yes.

>> (inaudible) read giraffe have a house a place call terry tennis chicken place on polk street it is the third generation people over 50s and now in the produce market so it is all kinds of businesses i mean regina brought what about the property owners you can make a case of park merced it is a big impact on their area that's not a neighborhood i don't know if they should be included and this is the small business commission i think i've heard a number of employees i think it handbag a more equalize

percentage of employees in san francisco so brownies could be competing with is it fair to say hotel 50 times for employees as well as in the city so where's the gap in all this how about breaks in our business 1906 earthquake caused a break in my business and others those are some things to conditioner. >> not to muscled that up too much i have a list of all businesses that were here at the 1906 san francisco earthquake and before. >> excellent. >> uber legacy businesses. >> all right. awesome any other any public comment. >> seeing none, public comment is closed no ghosts of legacy past

okay 0 moving on to the next item we have reports brief it it's getting late. >> commissioner in our binders we've provided you a list ever pending legislation that will be coming before you days have not been scheduled yet for all of them i think the one i want to hostile highlight the most is the last one on the first page is the building may or may not disability act improvements so supervisor tang introduced this last tuesday and this is legislation that came out of the work from our office those it has been developed so i'm pleased and very excited that the doishgs or direction of supervisor tang has taken the legislation it will be mandating

the industry ways come into compliance or a means of documenting if it is not possible so you will be hearing it, it is exist we're doing it on the 25th anniversary of the ada and we are the first municipality in the nation to think in a comprehensive manner to help small businesses but insure we're upholding rights. >> and a at the next meeting thursday the 16 is the ninth quarterly meeting with the small business owners and the mayor the key topic the mayor reviewing the budget target small businesses and

commissioner president dwight feel free there are two meetings by scott with different stakeholders of different business organizations ash the buy local so wanted to make sure the business connection stays the business connection but really working to see what we can do to constrict a bigger effort and so i think those mergers will be ongoing in the marries budget some staffing being allocated to help to support initiatives to what degree that will end up connecting what is getting created anything you want to add. >> no. >> and then i sent information to you and link to the controller's office report that jane talked about when they gave her presentation working with

the controller's office on taking a look at at the permitting process for reluctance and streamlining that and so supervisor tang has called for a hearing so next week on the 22nd wednesday the 22nd a hearing on the controllers report and taking into account recommendations. >> okay. >> so i think with that those are probably the key highlights i'd like to brought to your attention tonight. >> thank you okay. on to item 9 prortsz none arrest item 10 vice president report she's a little bit nobody. >> commissioners report. >> what? (laughter) any commissioners have anything to report. >> sxhol. >> i wanted to report that i served on the panel for about a year that was working on

defining subsidies under formula retail i'm happy to see we've amazing enough come up with something that we are going to be moving forward so i'm very pleased. >> thank you that's an guess spends legislation we'll hear that. >> i was delighted it came to fruition. >> thanks for all our work seeing none, reports any new business. >> i need to read this last month which i said under new business that i would like to update the north beach commercial district 33 vacancy report our in which association and the telegraph hill has done that within the most it's been. >> okay. >> i don't know how you wanted

to proceed we have all the status and everything i think i'll be happy to report we have the lowest amount of vacates in 25 years but once again there are 14 availabilities in in which by that for people that won't rent their buildings their storefront and that's again which is what are you going to do when someone won't rent their lease we've pondered this in the past and but i think this is still - >> we have that under our new business and bryan and i haven't we need to think about and maybe the best thing to instead of meeting with you how fast to figure out a presentation and also think would ever or one of the supervisors called for a hearing on vacancies both

general and commercial and sounds like good any other reports all right. seeing none we're on to the late and final and best item. >> (laughter). anyone want to move >> i move. >> yeah. you >> second. >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> oh, (gavel). >> there you go