test. >> good afternoon, everyone welcome to the tuesday, july 21 2015 meeting of the taefblgs i'm bryan tan the president of the commission a couple of things please turn off our cell phones not to interrupt the meeting if you are a member of the public to speak on an item that is agendized fill out a card by the sfshgz and finally thank you to sfgovtv and media services for presenting this live every time we meet we'll start with a roll call and i'll move around a couple of agenda items considering our attention because commissioner vice president moshoyannis needs to leave earlier commissioner frost

commissioner lee commissioner joseph commissioner vice president moshoyannis commissioner caminong commissioner president tan we have quorum i'd like to move. >> just ford al peps is absent 2450 we've heard he's planning on attending. >> we'll note that in the interest of time we're going to move item 5 and 6 up so item 6 will now become our second item after public comment this it is election of president and vice president and after that item 5 which is hearing on permits will go ahead of the report from the executive director and our staff and then the approval of the minutes is four.

>> got you. >> all right. so i'll start out with public comment any public comment on this item? this is your opportunity to speak on any business that related to the entertainment commission but that you do not see agenda disany public comment that is p all right. seeing none, public comment is closed. >> item 2 like i said is election for president and vice president my term and commissioner vice president moshoyannis terms are up this is an annual election and so i'm happy to open this up for nominations let start with president commissioner joseph. >> i would like to nominate our kind president bryan tan. >> i'll second. >> all right. thank you. >> is there any discussion about that any other nominations?

i'm happy i should run for mayor is there any decision let's take a vote >> commissioner frost commissioner lee commissioner joseph commissioner vice president moshoyannis commissioner caminong i guess you're the want president tan. >> all right. thank you very much looking forward to serving another year and appreciate the confidence i have in me let's do vice president now is there a nomination that would like to be made i'd like to make actually i'd like to nominate commissioner joseph as the president of the commission as we all know commissioner joseph has a long history with the commission but also been powerful voice i think for the

this commission and the industry and runs meetings well, so i think this is one of the main purposes of it and serve as vice president before we have to take a second is there a second. >> second. >> second from commissioner caminong. >> thank you very much i'm veryes static i accept the nominations there you go thank you you bailed me out. >> great any public comment on this nomination i did not see any all right. let's take a vote you same house, same call? >> yeah. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much all right. congratulations moving right along item 3 is hearing and possible action regarding the permits so i'll hand this to our deputy

director. >> thank you good evening, commissioners so tonight we only have one application i'll be going over this is atlas cafeteria a restaurant located on 349, 20th street in the district it's been in operation for 19 years it is a state board for the community i studied there and plan to have mostly live blues and jazz and bluegrass music 2 to 3 days a we can thursday and friday and saturday mission station approves that with the good neighbor policy as a condition. >> great can the applicant please come up. >> the one on the right. >> thanks. >> so why not stammer.

>> i'll bill stone officially william stone i've been i wormed the cafe since 96 you know of our community. >> speak accountant into the mike. >> we're well known and liked we get along with the neighbors and we just wanted to do some light music we've done a few shows in the past we didn't know we needed a permit i got a couple of local neighbors to send in letters of recommendation one was telling him i think he used to be on the commission actually and another guy a few houses down i don't think maggie got it there is a copy here if you want to see it and that's basically, it just

wanted to being part of neighborhood. >> great commissioner joseph. >> i - you already do some correct. >> yeah. that's right. >> you're only coming into compliance. >> that's right. >> i've been to atlas and used to do dog rescue stuff other front. >> great. >> thank you for that. >> commissions other questions? all right. seems scared have a seat i don't see any police this the the condition of the good neighbor policy is there any public comment on the atlas cafe application seeing none public comment is closed. move to approve >> there's a motion to approve. >> second. >> all right. on the motion to approve the limited live permit

for atlas cafe with good neighbor policy commissioner frost commissioner lee commissioner joseph commissioner vice president moshoyannis commissioner caminong commissioner president tan. >> congratulations you have your permit we're going to moving along to item b or 3 b okay commissioners good evening if you can locate the paperwork in your folders that somewhere for small applications themselves look at in front of you are applications for concerts at at&t for september 5th and the 25 and both are quite similar obviously the talent is different an indication on the

permit itself there is shall be a sound check the day before and i can speak to that a little bit later in terms of the temps that's important today's permits the memo hopefully that you found in our package has background in it and the not boring everyone to death we had problems with containment of sound at at&t park in the past and most not able last year's j v ground show so i thought that was important that we come here there's been at least 5 meetings at staff level with all the parties involved including the giants, the port and malia

cohen's office so you'll note after the memo went on the attachment a whole bunch of letters one of which i got recently from supervisor cowen's office you know putting emphasis on whatever conditions you guys come up with tonight in this process it is really important obviously for the folks in her district dog patch and mission bay this is a review we do this 3ri789 on behalf of the port by an mou so the mou for your education behind the memo we do not just permitting in the ball park but permitting on sound and entertainment on all the port properties phone numbers for the

document should be negotiated every year and then there's a lease that the giants have with the port the landlord of the port is here if i have any questions i the attach as well those portions of the lease we think are relevant relevant to the concert that they've been doing the gientsdz have done and continue to want to do but i think for there are attorneys here as well so if you have any questions regarding the lease that i might not be able to answer so again, there's a lot of process involved but tonight i want you to consider on the second page the conditions you might find appropriate to place on either one or both of those permits for

amplified sound for i'm sure you're aware of come to you past 10:00 p.m. more importantly in a location we've had problems with not every concert has problems let me be clear i'm sure you'll hear from the giants that nobody plays a band that is well-managed so not suggesting they can't manage but those large public events in particular needs more scrutiny so i drafted some proposed conditions for you guys to consider i the send this this to the port and the giants as well so lastly if you want to approve there are a few letters what i can do outreach to let people know this meeting was happening

we thought it was important to contact people that had problems e problems with the last concert we have contact to let them know this is happening on next door.org as well and i know the giants did 0 outreach with the cracking cac these so there's quite a bit judging from not such a big 20ur7b9 that's a good sign so a part educating the neighbors and folks around what you know and how potentially there will be noise at this location and what we do about it so with that i guess the giants wanted to come up and say something. >> can i ask a quick question. >> yes. >> those proposed conditions

are shared did you get feedback this is not possible. >> we reviewed most of the conditions a few weeks ago i got effectively from mr. bear that didn't have problems with them. >> okay. a you as stated. >> questions for staff so did the neighbors have problems with the conditions. >> i didn't share that memo with the neighbors what i shared the notice of this hearing. >> okay. thank you. >> hi. >> i'm sarah hunt the vice president of the giants the permit was notably the last issues for significance of the park we've been operating in that neighborhood for 15 years very good relationships with the neighbors that neighborhood is changing and as a result of the sound issues if the jc secretary question need to look at our practices immediately following

the beyonce concert we made adjustment and had better outreach we are pro-active and engaged the societies a civil engineer working with them to month monitor the smaller events in the park how sound a traveling and given everything else we have a notice where all the neighbors are notified they've been ref notification for the last couple codify months and in the process of going to advisory committee and council merging most recently at the council and spoke with them about the conditions that were being considered inform this permit they didn't have issues i think people want to know there are is a number and people responsible the one suggested change is roadway as our last

discussion with the port and jols listen and others suggested we are especially looking at 311 operating lines we recently had discussions and think that is better to set up on isolated line the neighbors feel like we're taking responsibility we want to put that favored as as an amendment. >> that's one of my questions people can't get through to 311 to having a dedicated line is great commissioners questions for the giants. >> hi sarah so has you given sullivan to like the where the speakers are going to be hung and have they made suggestions. >> we'll waiting for that information the city finalized that's one of the issues for the

shows they have to make adjustment they have an obesity for other event and what we're trying to do is collect data we'll be you know obviously looking at the elements where speakers are hanging the levels in different areas with people monitoring. >> did the show control the hanging g does beyonce the speakers are here, here and there and turn off every other box that helped if that - is it under your control mary. >> i'm mary with another planning entertainment we're producing two secretaries at at&t park this is it is a group effort we've worked with the artists with the venue and city

to be good neighbors to the surrounding area. >> okay. so the question was do i i mean who controls the speaker sound the show. >> the artists. >> the artists oh. >> you don't have this go information it is too 0 earlier. >> i can tell you where the speakers will be for both of those shows generally speaking we we'll have 4 detailed hours for each concert i think i was not involved in the jc beyonce show but the pictures i've had we'll have more speakers which should benefit the area we'll not have to people's no. 1 run the volume with we will have four detailed in addition to the array of speakers on the main stage. >> are the arrays the speakers

hanging on the sides. >> it will there are different sound like systems they'll a lot different but essentially a left left and right. right. >> i guess what we the last year with jc we turned off the boxes on the side. >> there will be speakers on the side of the stage hanging if above but soap we'll look at that and determine how this events. >> i like the detail towers. >> different speakers have different function and for example, ac/dc they have a sophisticated mechanism where we can, tune the speakers and adjust the width of the sound array as well as the height so hewn up how much they're going

beyond the boundary. >> okay. great. >> i think that's all for me. >> commissioner lee. >> so those road shows have a plan when we go on the road so those sound checks and everything will be a standard way you'll be 2nd district at large up the towers when the rider comes in you'll be moving the towers to accommodate pretty much what they giving you. >> it is kind of a combination they have a standard step but obviously we need to say for instance off the graph there are adjustments to make onsite we do the sound check you're playing to an empty venue that

is a significant difference but we'll start to monitor the levels and make adjustment on show night as we start to go. >> that's another question hypothetically you get a complaint how do you intend to handle it giving me a procedural. >> our plan to have an hotline first and foremost find out where the person is and figure out wrg our problems are we'll obviously be in contract with the promoter with the producers and everybody that is onsite if it is a small fix with a lot of complaints coming from one area redirecting a speaker we'll make those adjustment and fine-tune those and we understand we have people we can predict that will come in and we'll also track some of those and try to figure

out is that a one of a lot of people if in that area and adjust audience how much realtime can you do i know the complaints you can fix it the first innocent and the second night is better can you bring it down or basically all have to be done in advance. >> i know i can speak we can make realtime adjustment. >> what's the progress for that happening so are there going to be realized communications between one of the conditions is they there be two additional staff people to assist in the surrounding neighborhood so is it going to be part of your process for the realtime communication or are you figuring out. >> the we'll have people to go out to check and figure out what

you're issues you're speaking to the people onsite the night of we'll be handling the adjustments unfortunately, the neighbors have any cell phone they can certainly get ahold of me to make the adjustment. >> commissioners other questions? we had one community member wrote that wanted to make sure there's a hard stop at 11:00 p.m. is 9 concert ending before that do you know >> it's scheduled to end at 11 the issues they're in the middle of a song they'll not stop but close to 11:00 p.m. >> sorry i have one question. >> ask commissioner frost. >> we got a letter if community group they wanted to make sure the sound like check with residential areas you'll be

doing it people outside taking the readinging. >> we'll work with the entertainment commission we'll have the folks to collect the data from the show yes there will be people in and around the area. >> great including excluding the potrero hill. >> it has not been an issue with weather and everything else this was what we had an issue again one of the variables. >> okay. any other thoughts from commissioners? thank you. i mean it sounds like you've done open obviously in reaction to what happened last year our concern we know how to respond to the people why did you let the giant or another

concert with the open air i appreciate the mitigating efforts you guys have made open up for public comment now any public comment on the giant this one is the billie joel concert we'll separate >> no public comment? all right. public comment is closed. >> commissioners. >> so with the adding of the dedicated phone line supervisor cohen's support of event the fact that billy joel is the piano man but ac/dc is the hottest rock band around and the fact that it was said they do have and in a modern day boards

they have control over the speaker there is no and directions with all that information and the conditions i move to approve with the promoted permit conditions that are here and with the caveat our sound inspectors are on sight self-conscious 40 for the sound like check and the event particularly ac/dc and that to show that is my motion. >> with the conditions as recommended by our staff. >> absolutely. >> with those conditions. >> with the one amendment with the giants to respect the 311 line. >> i thought i said that i didn't. >> just to clarify. >> great a second?

>> second. >> all right. this motion any further discussion. >> yes. my concern there isn't anything about the 11:00 p.m. stop i want to ask staff is that something we've discussed and decided against can you give you a little bit of background. >> the proposed permit i don't see an 11:00 p.m. stop. >> this is until 11 this speaks right to when the permit goes to if they i mean - i'm not sure what the answer it is not a condition it is the permit itself until 11:00 p.m. >> i just know when people go over significantly that is what creates the additional tension in the community there were some letters in here that said 11 can

become 11:30 with on and on coerce and blah, blah i want to be clear it is a sound like permit i don't expect anyone to up to the time cut off in the middle of a song but the artist has to basically do a shorter set i want to be clear about that, too i don't know if that needs to be expressed as a condition but make it clear as a comment. >> you just the. >> so i think that with our inspectors onsite the permit. >> that will help. >> the permit is still 11 o'clock. >> thank you. >> all right. any further discussion if not and oh, go ahead and we want to make sure bach because of the letter from the public this is going to be on ongoing thing especially with ac/dc this is a great one that is going to be loud so if you -

if we get the community behind this one the rest should be smooth sally want to be sure that the sound like checks there are readinging in the neighborhood especially the neighbors that are in that letter the mission bay north and south and south beach so that if problems do arises we can show like it says in the letter depending on the atmosphere i know you've talked about it before. >> the atmosphere i mean there's no way to know today whether the fog bank will be here or other atmosphere on september 25th no way to know they'll have to control on site as far as south beach i mean the ball park is south beach and as far as the other neighborhoods go we have two

inspectors. >> i don't know how many are going to be provided to cover the area so our inspectors totally will take a neighborhood i'm sure and i'm imagine that that is up to the giants the giants are have sulter taking reading so potrero hill is one i mean packing take the reading from texas street for instance and motorbike did you say. >> that's what the letter - >> that's north and south mission bay. >> yes. >> i don't know y where south mission bay. >> i've dealt with this type of thing and with more information we have they've done when we get f that containment from that one person we can bring everything and show them. >> if we ask the giant to have

people out there as many as possible this is their ball park so and others concerts going forward based on they're being good partners with us in the past i feel sure they'll have people taking the reading; right? guys okay. so i still feel that way somehow thank you for saying that. >> like i said it brings up back ac/dc i'm happy as heck if so we can keep the public happy we should be all right in the future. >> good point commissioner perez. >> is there sound during the sound concert or. >> both. >> the key during the operations just as soon as you get a call just get on it and you know keep the neighbors from

contemplating on the hot listen if you are pro-active during the operations you get more trust with the neighbors like a club owner if this is too loud they call us and it is up to you guys showing some proactive neshsness they're on our side they don't want to be disturbed. >> governor jerry brown i don't want to add that as a condition but reasonable concessions to people that are disturbed that is something that everyone should consider you know we can't control where the crowd encompasses and things like that but we can control whether or not we're going to host something and how people are impacted there is only so much to say keep it down so if people

- if the project sponsors can consider what kinds of concessions for people disturbed by it. >> in keeping the neighbors in mind i really you know, i remember how disturbing it was when we didn't have a proper ball park and people were going other places and doing concert and then we got the ball park it is reduced to the city and over the course the giants winning the pen amenity a couple of times is not hurting but we do have serious competition with the stadium it is important for the city to support airport and the giants in their efforts to do stuff having billy joel here is awesome and ac/dc is a case nevertheless we need to support

them and in every way we can those folks have made and pleasant in good faith with the contract with the giants that has stuff we don't know about and the planners made a contract with the tour there are ramifications to the contracts so you know we have to be supportive as we can with in reason and keeping everybody needs to work together i think we have to keep the neighbors happy and the vibrancy of the city and this happening that's in my opinion. >> great i'll ditto that can i ask a point of clarification to the staff are we voting on both permits at this time or only one. >> it is easier to do both. >> that's clear with everyone.

>> so my motion is for both permits. >> thank you. >> same conditions. >> same conditions. >> we've talked this enough let's take a vote. >> commissioner frost commissioner lee commissioner joseph commissioner vice president moshoyannis commissioner perez commissioner caminong commissioner president tan. >> with that the motion passes good luck we hope we don't hear from you. >> thank you for coming. >> thank you for making it out moving along the next item the report from the executive director. >> sorry where are we are we on me. >> yes. >> i want to do the minutes. >> sorry you're right that's the next thing the review and approval of the minutes from july 7th. >> i move to approve

there is a motion and a second a second. >> 19 a second. >> same house, same call? yes. >> done. >> okay. let's see what time is it we're doing good hello commissioners just a breech update on the prelims what we're calling night life we made process i'm sure you're aware of this commission and discussion a understanding of the chapter of the admin code we created a committee of 3 commissioners who we know i believe have found a date for early august for an initial meeting and agendizing that at city hall so we have the 72 hours window to start to begin to form generic quote/unquote

good neighbor type of policies we believe should be recommendations when residents are built within radical feet of place of entertainment and the specific projects will start to flow relative to individual individual design of the buildings and you know individual conversations those place of entertainment we have our review crepe that you guys passed so i feel like we're doing well, i have 3 projects in particular with the specifics i'll bring to the committee in early august so hopefully, you'll see second meeting in you may, in fact, get information or request for approvals if that is how we do it to the committee to the larger commission in the second

meeting in august i'm learning more than i want to know about residential development so i'll keep you updated. >> the planning commission met on thursday and approved the changes to the western selma plan to include the loophole will that to areas we heard about in this commission and again i want to thank commissioner hyde we passed at the planning commission the planning changes should go to land use i hope monday if we don't make this on the agenda we'll find out tomorrow if not after recess unfortunately but this is to show up we were appreciate the 3 of them were

there and we certainly will here taking advantage of this and got through ludicrously which i don't expect to have problems no opposition surprisingly to me even from the folks who worked on western selma for a a long time it is sensible stuff none had any questions or objections i moved this thing and we should be operational in the fall sometime for lack of a better specific date i wrote in here the review of the sound regulations i'm sure you're aware of we brought those royalty permit to you and bring them occasionally we struggle with what do we do in terms of violations of loudspeakers and amplified sound like permits as well as they come in all shapes

and sizes and one amplified sound like permit to tale with all those different things whether amplified sound in the same location for 3 months or somebody activation of on open space or a street performer so we have those blunt skrurment and sections in the police code that were written in 1969 that speak to all kinds of things that didn't seem like the kinds of vehicles we used to use like campaigns with the horns and stuff they describe those things with the access of the sound the stuff is not useful i began a process of the city attorney i'm

looking for a protective sponsor to help with revising the section for yourself friendly and building consequences of scope that make sense because although to be honest you felt comfortable issuing those subsequent loudspeaker permit you had two pages of information a as opposed to much more than that and the notion they violate the conditions of the permit they're capable of issuing a hundred dollars citation and those concerts are more than that the violets a permit is not a good situation i think beginning this process is taking time and we'll come to you with drafts if i end up with a

protective stamp on the record showing drafts when someone gets introduced we'll have long decisions about that it is a big thing for us we need to speak about it all the folks that have been here a looked at and the challenges we face in figuring out the best ways to look at the amplified sound in a big city is getting louder we're starting that process and in addition he wanted to mention i didn't say this earlier the 311 system is the sound like place it should go maybe in the case of those two concerts have a hotline it is really, really vital that everyone in the public and anyone listening might hear that that wasn't the case last year 311 made a point we don't do this but was changed and tomorrow i'm going to a meeting

of 311 with all the agencies that deal with sound and we'll provide scripts and they'll be absolutely prepared on the night of the concerts with the purpose of logging complaint not in pga the volume it is important that everyone knows to use 311 for the record going forward so just don't want to be an exception that someone has a hotline that the sound like will go down i don't believe this will work they can use it and it is fine to have avenues to have a call but i want there to be some sense that we are tracking that we know what and 311 is the way to do that so - and in this particular case with the giants can we take their own private log of whatever happens with the

hotline and put it going into 36311. >> i believe they have every tension people have been somewhat suspicious of operating their own phones they're the folks who receive the most gape if you will so there's a little bit a conflict in some cases and the 311 will be operational and i want people to use it i don't know when; right i went with that and amplified sound and sound issues call 311 whether it is a public health issue that someone is generator or fan on top of their restaurant or a night life issue or a barking

dog all the noise construction should flow through so we're clear they'll send them to the relevant agencies profile so call 36. >> okay fy i we've sent out the invitations for the 11 of 12 anniversary party it will be on the meeting night the fourth of august at the oasis if you haven't been there you'll enjoy users that's opposing open to the public agendized in the meeting we've sent out invitation if there is someone in particular you want us to invite we'll move forward and advertise the party again it is a public, you know, fun time and it is always fun we're going to try to get food donated and

cake. >> plan is coming. >> 12 or 11. >> 12 if i can count to 12 that's it for me i am sorry. >> commissioner joseph and commissioner lee. >> we are respond to complaints about generator novice that's dpw. >> well, it depends on so again sorts of noise really, really vital to identify we don't do like restaurant fans and we don't do barking dogs and - >> if someone - >> generators is not us. >> it could be fire it depends on. >> if there's an attempt thing and a entertainment from dpw a

generator do we get those complaints. >> i don't think so i'm in that. >> there you go. >> of if so an event at night life night where a generator is needed they need a night life permit. >> my other question was not a question i'm so thrilled that somebody's tabling the loudspeaker stuff congratulations you can try and do some sub categories like if time this size of an event if you're a restaurant with outdoor speakers so thrilling they'll be subsequent sections and, yes. >> yeah. >> good for you that's great if a somebody for instance, suppose it was a yearly event a small street fair and they

violated the sound permit is it true we couldn't issue a sound permit to them a loud permit speaker is free speech one wyoming once it is amplified because they need a permit they can have free speech without a.m. first degree it what's the consequence can we not issue and permit. >> you have the latitude we haven't done that you have the latitude to deny i think is it so word essentially the activity of the music itself or the performance is that electricity activity but the ramification is that again you know you can manage and condition it at the time place and manner but for public safety or issues around

this - is the city has serious concerns i think the ability to deny is there you don't i just don't think the code sections are clear how that happens so there - there needs to be clarity on how you can do. >> last but not least the came back for our party has been donated by sight and sound for the awards. >> thank you okay. >> commissioner lee. >> to follow up (laughter) on the cake. >> no for that (laughter). >> so if they violate we don't want to obviously deny eventually they come every year but commissioner vice president moshoyannis said they hit at 11 or that if they don't address

the sound issue it only fine who sets the fine i am not we've glutton a lot of process to give them that chance to redo they're loud speaker permit but if they go over so the fine is hundred dollars you know i mean it is kind of like saying oh, well they paid a hundred dollar fine i mean who you know makes those decisions on those for purposes bhs done liv. >> the administrative code says for the sight administratively; right? it's not a criminal violation not like the mrovts police officer is a stipulated in the admin code to what the fines are we don't have another tool. >> can we set the amount. >> no, it's in the code we can say for every violation it is

another hundred dollars so if there are multiplied violations this is what we do with venues we can add it up but you know is that still reflecting enough depending on the scope of the violation so 50 thousand people both violates their permit i still have the same tools - >> yeah. so what you're saying you're kind of executive order code clean up and revision to have higher tools. >> i don't know how powerful but bridge the problem in trying to figure out how you can you know stay within the legal lines or maybe because there is the intent for enforcement that is

clear we utilize maybe we ca consider moving some of the things into 1060 if they look like lot space permits if they happy in happen in the same way but i have what i need you can't change behavior very easily sort of the idea. >> nobody wants to pay out if they have that big pay out they'll think twice of breaking it and letting it go in my opinion i'm curious how to set the fee. >> all right. any other commissioner questions or comments to the director if not our inspector reports. >> good evening, commissioners a quick update from last meeting i was asked a question by commissioner joseph regarding the timeline for updates with

macey building and sound system i have an update they have the installation of the new sound like system was smaller and immediately speakers has been completed goal was to make sure they were not driving a few speakers too high and now spread additional speakers throughout the venue to keep everything at a lower level i mentioned the double pain exterior windows that will be thrilled or delivered this week and installed they've received yesterday curtain tracks for a new sound like curtain curtain placed on the front door the curtain itself on the left and we expect the project itself to be implemented the first week of

august. >> question. >> yes. >> the boarding the alley door was resolved. >> as far as complaints i've received recently the back alley door is no longer an issue the two neighbors one was communicating with myself and one with the venue they have yet to reach out to me or the venue this past weekend i issued a citation for their front window being open caused music to be heard across the street and this will mark the second citation in two months if we have another citation issued over the course we're in a position to take action other than the permit i'll discuss with that with our director.

>> okay. thank you. >> there's a new building around the corner from the revolution cafe on second reading the apartment it is bright and colorful and full of people one of the tenants has reached out to us regarding the windows and doors being open to the cafe i've reached it out to the owners we have a meeting scheduled next year to next week to discuss with the multiple residents about the plan moving forward to doing improvements to the building and at least making sure that everyone has open lines of communication so go any issues we'll take care of. >> is revolution the small place with the outdoor space if you take that away the inside is 2 inches wide really the outdoor

space they do the music and they do it inside. >> they do it inside and there is. >> it is still unamplified string music. >> based on what i've seen they've amplified advocate additional it is low key bluegrass and jane does. >> mostly not drums. >> not always the case and i have seen drums and part of the good neighborhood policies that occurred prior to my coming on board had stated they couldn't have allowed rock so this is an issue we'll discuss if they can't control it we'll school board ask to do modification.

>> decrees to the director if we had to change the condition to eliminate drums could that go through staff or come to us? >> it depends. >> revolution cafe is a little great place it is wonderful it doesn't do a whole lot of bad things they've been through hell with containments from everybody that didn't want them but for a long time they only had strings andcele i don't want to them to have drums but we're doing everything we can they can survive they can't survive if we take away their music. >> we're in the beginning of a process so it's not clear where

it is headed we know that the revolution cafe going for 6 months doing everything they need to do and management let's say it was warm and the window is open so would the substantial changes huge residential building that wasn't there before so we'll see i think it is too early to say let's take this and that away. >> isn't that building right near the cinema and other places. >> yeah. >> it's a very busy. >> very loud area of the mission. >> it certainly is. >> i see i think on the promo materials one question i have what's the nature of the complaint is is noise or people because they're

around the corner not across the street and it's an interesting thing it is around the corner it is interesting so revolution cafe is here and the open doors and windows and around the corner corner is the entrance to it could be the front side. >> that's the main entrance. >> it is the main entrance on bart lightwell and the window to the cafe if everything is open i think we're hoping if everything stays closed we can contain that sound and no complaints moving forward but we'll see if that building contains the kind of band. >> commissioner lee. >> if you shut the windows and

door it is so small can you breekt because you can do all that if it is hot they'll open the windows they have a ventilation system. >> they have fans. >> fans? it says they have to keep the windows and doors shut to code >> right. >> it is a catch-22. >> why in process an operator that is pro-active we'll hope for the best. >> other than we're looking good the chapel has changed their general council and within the past weekend regarding a complainant that reached out to us during the transition of martin luther king they didn't have a contact to the manager so 80 they contacted us their

currently in talks about what to be moving forward as far as keeping the doors closed again that was a quick solution so they'll keep their front doors closed even though they have at interior it keeps the sound inside that's a wrap for me. >> great any questions for inspector burk let's more often. >> good evening, commissioners i'll start with a complaint about city club i was agriculture to go by within 40 minutes of receiving the complaint the issue we don't permit city club and i don't preserve a violation on the ground the next step to go into the complanlts and 19is if there

is a indoor sound that's as far as we'll go and pass it off to the police department but since we don't permit them i don't see a violation there is nothing i think that i should be doing so. >> is it the same complaint. >> yes. so we'll see what the indoor residential task we have to schedule it and he said he'll get back to me we've/had a couple of local parties on howard street and another one we were dealing with 4 months on brandon street the neighbors neighbor on brandon there was like doing illegal parties inside the space it was

a garage he came by and explained basically that was happening on howard street so it maybe the same promoter we have to if the but i'm out there at 3 or 3:30 at the at hours but we'll see the audio we received a complaint about noise from the block well understood it was odd. >> my question from is this from the block behind was going to be my question. >> i'm not sure where the complainant is located i mean it is in my notes but i do have to look to give you an exact location or whatever complaint was actually from

pride weekend but i dot got it later and i talked with the management from audio with the people last week or whatever basically because of the activity i was out there it was busy the whole block i couldn't determine if it was audio and other places on the block i told the management we'll be coming by to stay in compliance a couple of compliance 1014 they have a rapper what was popular in the 90s and now brings kind of a aggressive type of crowd but i didn't witness anything any cause for concern it went off fine without an incident the basement they were having issues with their soft openly with the

sound inside the upper bar loose three weeks they've had to turn off thank god we don't have to cite them i've performed a sound test with port and shoftd a permit went off without complications and contract information and figuring out the operations of the for instance the grand place on washington street a restaurant they had extended hours not open past midnight and they changed in their name to the international hospital they don't do events anymore. >> it is probably a good thing they changed their name.

>> the rest is regular patrol stuff. >> any questions i'll be happy to answer any questions. >> just one question so there are still parties on the street location i know because people tell me so i don't know what you're going to do about it. >> the thing so we've only been dealing with it for two weeks so i haven't seen any in the last two with weeks usually we'll call a southern police officer that has a flare informing for those events if i could talk with the promoter they can't an brandon i don't know. >> and 25 howard either. >> if that's the case yeah. there's a certain we work with the police on stuff like this

the brandon i gave them any phone number he lost my information on the night so i couldn't put eyes on it on the night. >> okay. thank you. >> any other commissioner comments thank you very much inspectors any public comment on the staff report? i don't see any public comment is closed. a couple of more items tonight the next one >> almost a record. >> yeah. it ends quickly i don't see any police here we'll skip that and go straight to commissioners questions or comments which our item 7 commissioners announcements or things. >> follow-up street performers is there any push i mean are we okay to wait a little bit or urgency. >> well interests been some

activity at staff level i'm trying to found a way to work with the arts commission to try to have the street artists program engaged the street performed performers weo don't have the cabinet to create a program in our office more the tools in terms of amplified sound so i feel like there's an opening in addition mr. compton who was here before you continues to engage the city attorney and ask him if that case is ongoing so there's a conference schedule for the 20th of august and after that we'll have a lot more to let you knows in terms of how to treed precede.

>> is he. >> no, he's jimmy hendricks no but he looks like him to me. >> larry hunt is the bucket man. >> let me ask you a question is the street performers thing complicated if you're out there being the statute guy or out there being some other kind of perform he wishes and not amplified like the bucket man therefore you have a right to do that under the first amendment as long as you're not screaming fire in a movie theatre. >> that's a simple way to identify one addresses another there are difference and different kinds of we calls them sidewalk performers as you recall but it is difficult for a variety of reasons in part because i only have one again

blood instrument in which to manage and frankly that's not a system that will make mr. compton particularly pleased given his complaint. >> can you get street performers into the speaker somehow. >> we're possibly. yes. that is certainly on the skeletal like outline is to try to manage or deal with this but again my name is concern is to not provide a solution necessarily that falls to the entertainment commission if we create code sections in a police code or municipal code and other agencies use it code that's mites preference i'm sure you're aware of programs at the port and programs at the art commission to take a lot of staff time we appreciate the

performers in san francisco but i don't know that our commission has at cabinet to create an entire new program. >> does the art commission are they responsive to your - and fyi if you sell a product which includes a cd or tape unfortunately, we're so digital that is not the way people sell their product but a product you made you could currently right now go into the street artist program and get one of the stalls in a variety of locations for a period of time that is already something we can and will you know send people to if they come in with that - but if they don't have something to sell they don't qualify if you want to put a hat out you can't

in order to change that it requires a vote of the people of san francisco they're considering this is a very old 1972 piece of legislation you might have voted for it to create the street artist program maybe not you but it needs to go back to the voters that is not out of the question at all for the arts commission but we're talking a few years. >> so someone puts out a hat that's the major modification. >> based on the requirement for the street 56r9s program do you said. >> you have to - >> you canned make policy change without going back to the voters. >> no. >> the reason i ask you is because there is a section like was created by the voters but

when they the the music culture amendment to the 90 a it went to the board of supervisors only did not go back to the people that's why i'm asking you that question and so 90 a was a policy statement they're totally different we wanted to make an amendment to chapter 90 i believe you have to go back to the voters. >> so we can't do it in the street not a program making a policy thing you can put out a hat. >> i think you can not number two of selling a product. >> okay okay new just asking. >> all right. thanks for bringing that up commissioner lee it is a good follow-up to a couple of months ago >> any other commissioners questions or comments if not any

public comment on item this i don't see any the late item request for future items anything anybody want to bring up remind people our first meeting 40 in september a cancelled and the first in august hfa happens to be your anniversary party is it is not quite a meeting that will go to permit and sorry. >> doesn't we have an august. >> august 22nd. >> august 22nd is scheduled for our entertainment commission retreat for all of us the idea we do strategic planning if you can get your thoughts going about - >> no. >> not yet we'll prepare that in the next couple of weeks. >> the date. >> august 22nd is a saturday, i

building from 9 to one. >> do we have a location for that no. >> so we have a meeting on the 18 and the retreat on the 22nd correct. >> i just want to inform you i'll not be at the retreat i'll be at a wedding but i'll be at the 18 meeting. >> if we want to have our vice chair we'll have to look at another date okay. so it didn't seem like anything burning people want to bring up any public comment on this seeing none, that adjourns our meeting have a good nightyou.

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>> good morning everybody. welcome to the san francisco board of supervisors budget and finance sub-committee meeting for wednesday july 22, 2015. my name is mark farrell. i will be chairing the committee. i am joined by supervisor katy tang and i would like to thank the clerk linda wong and sfgtv covering this meeting. madam clerk do we have any announcements? >> yes mr. chair. please silent all cell phones and electronic devices, complete speaker cards and documents to be part of the file should be submitted to the clerk. items acted on today will be on the july 28 board of supervisors agenda unless otherwise stated. >> okay. thank you madam clerk. let's get rolling here. we have a number of items here and at the end we have two hearings and please call item 1.