>> >>[gavel] >> i guess we are ready. okay. good morning. the meeting will come to order. this is the meeting of the government audit and oversight committee for july 16, 2015. i named his supervisor yee and chaired a committee to my right is supervisor christiansen, vice chair. and on my left will be supervisor read. the committee clerk and the sfgtv. we have

jesse larson and cameron smith who recorded each of our meetings the transcripts available to public online. mdm. clerk, do you have any announcements? >> guested please make sure all cell phones and electronic devices are off. items acted upon today will here on the july 28 board of supervisors agenda unless otherwise stated. >> okay. mdm. clerk, can we talk please call item to out of order >> item number two is a resolution approving the agreement with nonprofit owners association for ministration management established property-based community benefit district known as the lower community district. >> so, i believe the representative from the mayor's office of economic reports the

moment is here to present. good morning. >> good morning chairman yee christiansen. senior project manager from the office of economic and workforce development i oversee the cities committee benefit district program. i just like to thank supervisor christiansen for sponsoring the resolution will authorize the management contract for the established excuse me, lower community benefit disappeared as you all know, on july 29 of 2014 the board of supervisors adopted a resolution to establish the cbd and levy assessments and parcels within the proposed boundaries. in order to the city controller to transfer those assessment funds collected the city must enter into a management agreement with the owners association of the lord polk committee benefit district. there are members here of the lord polk cvd that in case you had questions, are

here to answer them. the document attached to the resolution is a template for use for all cds in the city and adjusted accordingly. if approved august committee and by the full board, this will allow the city to transfer the collective assessment funds woefully in september of this year. we anticipate the delivery of just over seven and $60,000 to the cbd within the 2014 seven and $60,000 to the cbd within the 20 $14 for the 2014 fiscal year and in 2015-16 we anticipate a collection of just under $800,000. i can answer any questions if you have any. >> any questions? >> no questions. >> i want to point then i'm not sure by supervisor london breed. okay. if there's no questions is there a motion? any public comments on this item?

>> i come to city hall every morning. on monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, almost every single meeting. from chinatown. [inaudible] the next up was actually [inaudible]. i know well about polk. lower polk , every person in polk, most of those areas, they feel the business treasure, the way they conduct business. lower polk cannot be extended to a movie theater, 20 years ago, there was actually a [inaudible]. a

movie theater. so we extend the café of entertainment [inaudible]. planning for this [inaudible]. >> any other public comments on this item? >> morning, supervised. my name is chris charming. i'm the chair and president of the local cbd board of directors. very briefly, i'm only here to think some folks. i'd like to thank those who were fortunate of all three supervisors in our district here. i like to thank supervisor christiansen brawlers support, especially for curing this resolution. our staff has been great. supervisor kim thank you for your support as we get we met with your staff recently and we appreciate it. supervisor read, we appreciate your continued support. i guess there are no questions, then that's all i have. i also like to thank --

for their support. they were key to us they support a strongly and i do want to thank the late michelle thomas for all his efforts to set up. we would not have been able to do it without him. thank you. shifted and other public comments? seeing none, public comment is now closed >>[gavel] >> supervisor christiansen >> i just want to thank chris and of course show for making this happen to everybody knows, i'm a big proponent of the cbd's. they been such a important part to augment city services in our commercial district. i think this lower polk cvd is going to be a challenging one. it's been challenging so far and i think there will continue to be. this is certainly an area, as chris mentioned, touches on a lot of different districts, a lot of different types of conditions both commercial and residential.

the money that's been allocated for this cbd is going to allow great promise and also bring great responsibility. so, i look forward to having myself and my staff continue to work with the cbd and with oe wb to make this an inclusive and progressive group that can hopefully accomplish great things for lower polk. so thanks to all involved. >> any other comments? seeing none, can leave a motion to for this item to the full board? >> so moved. >> over no objection the motion passes >>[gavel] >> mdm. clerk, please call item number one. >> item number one a hearing on a jail regaled as the party city and county of san francisco's 10 year capital plan. >> so, supervisor kim has joined us, and she has some questions at this year. i like to ask you to make remarks and introduce the presented. >> thank you. i want to note

the cosponsor of this hearing, supervisor president london breed as well. first of all, what i think everyone for joining us on this hearing. we did engage in a lively discussion yesterday when an action item was before the budget committee on the state grant application and mitigated certification kit today, this hearing is really about fleshing out all the possible alternatives that the city can take to a jail rebuild which is being proposed before this body today. i think the key question is that the board has before the city spends $290 million of taxpayer dollars, construction costs alone to build a replacement facility to imprison people, we should know why and whether this is the best course of action to take. one of the main questions that several members of this board

is asking, what is the appropriate jail site. this number has fluctuated over the last year and a half. it actually has been shrinking as we further studied the issue. when we already have two facilities in san fran appeared san francisco has built three gels over the last 30 years and is the only county in the state of california to have built a jail since 2000 however or pete that i get it were only in the state county in the state of california is build a new jail since 2000 and the handout for members of the committee and the public can see the history of the jill construction of san francisco based on information contained in the may 2014 reported by the public policy institute of california. we know that gels are expensive to build and because we were not able to include it in our bond measure, in the past, we use very expensive form of financing in order to do this

which is our certificates of participation. we end up paying for these new gels for decades. the city will be building the facility with financing obtained against cop's though cost san francisco almost a third of $1 billion in construction costs alone. san francisco voters not approved construction of a jail in 25 years according to the department of election. and, the construction costs only 10% of the total cost of the jill over its life, according to the california state sheriffs association. originally, the plan calls for 2000 and jail beds and 2018. the controller then revised the estimate for only 2091 and we have therefore then reduced the estimate based on jail population that resulted willie from the good work of the criminal justice partner and the sheriffs department get the pretrial diversion project artistic attorney, public defender, our peace department, and of course our innovative adult probation department. let me just say, i applaud the work of all of our agencies in doing this work we

are really a model i think the rest of the nation. in reducing our incarceration and providing real alternatives that actually prevent individuals from recidivism which is our goal to keep our city safer. we will also be hearing today from the controller's office on their update to the jail population forecast, which includes the lower lowest forecast published by any organization to date but options that range from zero new beds to the high-end estimate of 393 beds. there are two factors that directly determine the total job population. the number of people booked into jail and the length of their stay in custody. the average length of stay for those obtained, the time between booking and release, has followed by an average of 13% since 2010. over the last five years, the average daily population declined by an average of 8% per year faster than the previous days. in fact, the average jail population 2014 has been the lowest since 1982. based on the impact of proposition 47, the strategic use of alternative methods of incarceration including electronic monitoring and home detention, and continuing advances being made in pretrial diversion and supervision

practice the new public defenders funded program on providing more legal support during the actual bail hearing, the decrease in number of beds in the jill seems like a strong likelihood it's not a surety. if the city's only 50% of our beds today, why don't we have enough when we still know we have 1532 beds available without a new jail facility? so, we will be exploring this is questioned. i know there are multiple perspectives and i look forward to it. i think the big question i also have is that, you know, it was a server edition eight at the budget committee yesterday that this is not extension of our gels. this is a rebuild. let me just say first of all, i completely agree. the current jail is a jail three and number four are completely unsafe. not just our inmates but the sheriffs deputies that work there and i think we need a plan today to empty both floors did we've emptied one already. immediately. even if we do this

site to build a new jail won't be completed until 2021 ivanek six years were putting our men and women at risk at life risk, during that time her back. but others of construction of a new jail, i like to come up with a plan to empty the final floor of this current jail at the hall of justice. second, i think before we determine what the size of the new jail should be we should further look at more alternatives. what percentage of our jail population as they are because they're severely mentally ill ask what percentage are there because they're homeless and nowhere to go? we realize there are other solutions to the population that is there i think we can come up with some real alternatives that will really help make our gels -- i'm sorry will help make our city safer in the long term and i believe take the city into the 21st century. with those comments, i'd like to give the floor to pres. london breed at all, our presenters. >> thank you supervisor kim cared thank you supervisor yee

for allowing us to host this hearing today. the very important hearing about very important issue. thank you everyone for coming today can we have i know a lot of speakers so i will be as brief as possible. supervisor kim clearly outlines a number of things that were very concerned about. we are being asked for most recent million dollars to build a new jail and that's a lot of money. gels are not something i'm very excited about building more poorly, i have not yet heard a detail or compelling case for why this plan is the best option. that's my prom. more importantly, we know that -- is unsafe and needs to be closed. we all agree on that. which means, only to find space for 300 or so inmates that are housed in cj four. i think be averages are right with expanded

diversion program, we can and should reduce incarceration rates starting today. so let's say of those 300 we end up with 100 or 150 or even 200 needed jail beds. we have cj-one has no beds. there is no additional space in cj-five and aptly look at what it would cost in detail three model cj-two in order to accommodate the number of beds that we will need. i don't like the idea, buddy interests of due diligence, is there any viable cost effective way to model cj-six. what are the details, why or why not? if we build a new structure, why isn't it being planned as a combined jail, mental health, and diversion facility instead of just a jail? more importantly, why are we not looking at a conference a plan for a-50 high-end in general which also includes the das

office, adult probation, the courts, the sheriffs department and the public defender's office? we need to think about inefficient way to include all of these departments and do what's necessary in order to address some of the most pressing issues with our jail population, especially the issue of mental health. our plan should reflect our values and include safer conditions for staff and inmates, more programs to reduce recidivism, more and more diversion programs. whatever plan we move forward with, city staff must make a compelling case for it before i'm going to feel comfortable supporting it. the current plan is not something i feel comfortable supporting, which is why we are here, to ask questions and explore alternatives. i look forward to hearing those in detail today and thank you everyone again for being here. >> so, if there are no other

comments from the committee, i will now open up for the presentation. we do have a number of presenters today. so, i apologize for the length but we did ask each of the presenters if they could keep their presentation to under 5-7 min. i will list all the presenters in order. so, everyone is aware of who is presenting. first we do have mr. gonzales former member of the board of supervisors to speak on public defender's office. christine deberry district atty. chief of staff. will young the director of the pretrial diversion project. sharon fletcher the chief of adult probation department is actually here to answer questions if the board has any good she does not have a presentation. jill robinson department of public health, director of behavioral health services, deputy chief friedman from the sheriff's apartment. kyle patterson, from the controller's office, and finally, brian strom and charles declares capital plan

and budget dg dpw project manager first i like to ask supervisor matt gonzalez. welcome back. >> thank you. supervisors, good morning. public defender within himself that he's on a much-needed vacation. this is an issue that's important. let me, if we can go to the presentation and get right into it -- so this is the way we see the current situation. there are, in effect, three locations were prisoners are held in our jails in san francisco. that's on the left there, zambrano has two facilities. the seventh street locations and the six and seven for and then -- i'm sorry. that's the seventh street jail and 96 and 74 at the hall of

justice. the figures, the first immediate column, if you go down, that's what the capacity was until recently about 2400 beds were available. the next two columns i think are the scenario one and scenario to that the controllers reports shows. in the middle column, then, that 1600 number figure, that's the figure of what our capacity would be if the annex at san bruno remained open. the sheriff has made a decision to close it. so were looking at capacity they are of just a little over 1200. so, for the purposes of my comments, i'm simply assuming the sharks decision is the righteous one, and that that's our capacity at the bottom. the controller is forecasting that in 2020 we are going to need 13-1600 beds. of

course, that's higher than the capacity we have of that 1200 figure, assuming the annex is close. we feel fairly confident that our current population in the jail, that is around when our capacity is without the annex, around 1200, could actually be pushed down to something like 800 currently. so, we think the estimates forecasted into the future would be easy to meet without constructing a new jail. the reason is, we have so many people being held in custody prior to being sentenced. in other words, they are awaiting trial. they're being held in custody and this figure is among the highest in the country. so, we see, basically, three main areas to meet this shortfall that we currently

have based on the controllers*. one, of course, state realignment in prop 47. we can see that to a certain extent, the media affects of these major changes in our society that we've already seen a decrease in the jail population, and if there's some that telling effect occurring, but we think moving forward, the werewolf be also further reduction. for instance, with state realignment. have with fewer felonies, you are going to have fewer state prison sentences, fewer parolees, and naturally, less people in custody. that is something that's when driving in the future as the number of felonies dropped because of prop 47, etc. of course, we'd

expand collaborative course. i'm going to show you the capacity in those courts is actually quite high and, as supervisor kim pointed out, i think aggressively going after real issues in the county can address the population. so, with realignment in prop 47, of course, i think everybody by now is fairly aware of some of the impacts. but, there are some things that are not being considered in terms of the long-term effect. ugly prop 47 as an example. when you reduce certain felonies to a misdemeanor, with a drug position, you can immediately assess the fact that those individuals are going to be more likely to get out of custody and that perhaps were already seen the effect of that. but, in the long-term, some of the offenses that are not misdemeanors, that's a possession for sale of drugs, remains a felony, the value of that case and how it is perceived by the courts is also

going to shift over time because of the possession is a misdemeanor the possession for sale of a small amount of contraband might be perceived differently. you might settle that case for a misdemeanor. you might settle it for probation. you might settle it for one of the alternative course. so, we think some of those effects that were going to see that moving into the future. the collaborative course were all of course very proud of the effect of these courts and at the bottom thereare some of the studies that show there very effective in reducing recidivism. but we have here is the currentparticipants in these various courts, and then we have the existing additional capacity for those different alternative courts. for instanrt we have 93 participants, but we have an additional capacity that could double that. now, those numbers that are in that column related to the

additional capacity, not all of those individuals, of course, are in custody at the time that they elect to participate in the collaborative courts. however, our estimate that is it could be as high as 40% of that population would be referred from in custody into those collaborative courts. we have some new collaborative courts as well. the misdemeanor behavioral health courts and the young adult courts. of course those numbers are more modest, but still i think significant when you're trying to meet the controller's neck expectation of what we would need in 2020. the money belt

system is also something that is coming under attack. it's interesting that the united states in the philippines are the only countries that rely on it. if you think about it, the premise is fairly absurd, which is you appear before a judge and in some cases that judge says, you are a safety risk to be released into custody. so the judge set a money there. if you compose the money belt you get out of custody. because if that risk that you post suddenly evaporates simply because you posted money belt, and so for that reason, increasingly there's an interest in moving away from that. our district atty. shares our interest in coming up with risk factors that would be more equitable and more appropriate to consider at the time. deciding whether or not someone should remain in custody. of course, one of the unfortunate things is that even in a city like san francisco we are seeing a very disproportionate

impact on certain communities of color. so, there are some very successful bail reform models that are occurring right now in other places. washington dc has a very aggressive program that tries to release virtually everyone that gets arrested except for the very few individuals that pose a safety risk, and new york city has been exterminating now with some different programs. the impact on african-americans, there has been a lot of controversy over trying to bring attention to this. for instance, the statistic that says san francisco has a distortion at rate of african-americans incarcerated compared to the percentage of

the population is often met with a response that says well, african-americans commit more crime and therefore this is not an appropriate thing to look at. but a recent study -- and this is the cited at the bottom there -- the hayward burns institute, made some findings that i think are really quite dramatic. in that third paragraph there, the rates of pretrial release at arraignment are higher for white adults for almost every quarter and if you look at that, 39% of black adults had prior felonies compared to 26% of white adults. however, white adults with prior felonies were almost

more likely to receive of pretrial release at arraignment. then, the next number, 44% of black adults had prior misdemeanors compared to 45% of white adults. however, white adults with prior misdemeanors were almost always more likely to receive pretrial release at arraignment. so, that something that we are very attuned to and that there are number of very interesting studies that show that even with experienced judges when you give them a folder that lays out whether or not they think somebody should be released, the information, whether or not there should be bail set, and you include a mug shot of an african-american or a mug shot of a caucasian person with a very exact same data, they are more likely to let the caucasian person out of custody. i think that is something that we are just coming to terms with. so, we are excited about the bail reform efforts. we know that we can address the racial disparities, the dist. atty. is

also committed to it. i don't think anybody, when this information is presented to them, is trying to defend it. i think we are just trying to find a way of creating a more equitable system and make sure that everybody gets due process. here, with our new resources to really focus on bail, we are hoping that judges that make that immediate determination at arraignment, to set bail and keep somebody in custody, will have an opportunity with a written bail motion and some investigation behind it that can really give that judge an opportunity to know somebody better than perhaps build the confidence that they need to release somebody into the public that they will more likely reached that conclusion. we are estimating that with two attorneys, to paralegals, that

were dedicating to this effort, in addition to our entire misdemeanor and felony unit that already bring these motions, but this kind of real emphasis on it, can result in 600 additional bail or motions argued in felony and misdemeanor cases, and given our success rate in the last year we are estimating that alone could reduce the jail population by 240. we do think there is an under utilized nation of electronic monitoring this is all something you should consider conducting the sheriff has been committed to this. it's a fairly strong law-enforcement tool of course while somebody is out of custody awaiting trial, you know exactly where they are because of the ankle monitor. we only got 42 individuals anticipating in it right now.

we think a very conservative estimate is that could be expanded by 100, and again, that's a substantial reduction in jail population. so, just to conclude then, we have got the point i made earlier that realignment may have plateaued in the short term, but because of fewer felonies and fewer state prison sentences there there be fewer parolees in the future. bob 47 will continue to reduce the jail population because it's also going to be pushing down the value of some of the offenses that remain a felony offense. we've have got the currently available slots and collaborative courts and of course, if we expand the criteria, which we occasionally do when we meet with the dist. atty. and try to find a way to

make this available for more individuals, again, that can expand. we got the bail motion efforts. electronic monitoring. and of course there are other larger strategies that will impact us in the years to come. certainly, the illumination of money belt will be a major issue. so, thank you all. >> thank you. thank you supervisor for being here and was actually incredibly informative and also really helpful in understanding with public defender has done and what they can hope to continue to do and i look forward to the work on the pretrial detention unit one. next kristin dubarry from the district attorneys office. i just want to my presenters, all this information is so interesting so far for me to stop it which is to be aware of time because we have a number of presenters and a number of members of public that want to speak on this item as well. >> good morning, supervise.

chairman yee thanks for having me on have addition to journey george -- to talk briefly about the give that a try to keep my comments brief and readable for any questions you may have. i want to just first sleep set some context why we came to this congress get odyssey, were one of the big drivers people end up in custody. we are the people that decide how long summary states for the most part. aside from the judges and the courtrooms making decisions independent of us. i think it's important to look at criminal justice is a tectonic shift and we been in that moment for the

entirety of this decade with the realignment, prop 47, losing dramatic changes in our jail population in our approach to criminal justice in this country. just yesterday the president was commuting sentences for drug offenders. it's not in san francisco phenomena. or having a national conversation about whether incarceration is the right way to proceed as an intervention and i think it's important to have this conversation in that backdrop and not think about this just as a momentary lip there were expensing in 2013 or 14 were actually in the midst of a sea change. that's particularly important because were talking about infrastructure investment. talk about making long-term investments in facilities that may no longer meet the needs of our society. so, in san francisco and around the country drug offenses have been when the largest drivers of jail populations. they always have been since the 1980s. in the last 10 years san francisco steak and a different approach from a police department to the district attorneys office. the shares of him, the public defender's office. we've all take a fresh look at drug prosecutions and arrest and try to decide if that's the most appropriate way to handle that behavior. you can see from these statistics, in 2009, 63% of all our felonies in the

district attorneys office were drug prosecutions. last year, 2014, prior to prop 47 passing. 226%. we are receiving fewer drug arrest from the police department. were filing fewer drug prosecutions and fewer people in custody for drugs. today than there were hired to prop 47 and certainly after. so to talk briefly about the trends. i think the board as were trying to forecast where we should land in 2020, jail population is the continued to decrease down 35% in the last 10 years since 2008 we seen a 34% reduction justin even in admissions, not just gel speak. jill states themselves have been reduced from an average of 53 days down to an average of 28 days in 2014. i'm sure you're all aware the two biggest predictors of your jail need our admissions and length of stay. so, we look at the

controllers reports using the shares data from 2014, average daily population lowest in 33 it. i think we've map reference that as a matter of 1285. i think what i found surprising in reading the report continues 2015 numbers. proposition 47 passed in november of 2014, so the controllers data is 11 months of pre-prop 47 data and one month of prop 47 date. maybe a month and a half. so, if we were to take a look at this same information using 2015 data, we would see a further decrease in how average daily population of around 1189. >> i apologize for interrupting can ask your question about that. i guess the question will post prop 47 will see further decline? the response i got was actually,

because we been influencing many aspects of prop 47 prior to the passage by the state, we would not see an impact to prop 47 in san francisco. is that what you been seeing in the district attorneys office? >> we are seeing impact. i know there was a hearing shortly after prop 47 passing talking to testify to that people talk about the shift in the work they were experiencing such that they didn't proceed reductions in their staff related to that, but the work itself is absolutely changing and is most noticeable in the jail population. so, if you look at the numbers from 2014-2015, it's about 100 fewer inmates on an average daily population. >> thank you for that clarification. >> this is important because

we went through realignment, which every other county in the state experience an increase in the local jail population. we do not experience that. the sheriffs office and our agencies were able to maintain the jail population that continued to the client during that time and now prop 47 in additional reduction of 100. this is a chart that shows the average jail population from 2004 through 2015. the solid line is the controllers forecasted population for five years from now. we talked about 2020 but it's far away but in five years they are suggesting that there will be 1235 inmates. rowley below that. so, if you have looked at the 2014 numbers we would've needed a slight further reduction in our inmate population to about that 2020 production, but if you use the 2015 average daily population is actually we've gone beneath that which would suggest were forecasting an increase in our jail population in the next five years rather than a decrease. this population reduction using this

2015 numbers shows we would have just rated beds, that the sheriffs the barman says are eligible to be filled by an inmate, not one's in a cell to smile when i would result in overcrowding, just using the appropriate weighted gel vacancy, we have a 50% vacancy with the current population. if we were to go close three and four, the floors of all injustice, we still have a vacancy of 27%. this life just shows the different studies that have been conducted in the past four years find to estimate what our jail population is and what i find important about

this is just that we're on a continuous downward slide in this. each time we've done the production we were confident in the number and the's office is work earnestly to give us that numbers but when we reevaluated the number goes down further. it suggest were in the middle of a move and it's not necessarily the right time to make a final decision such as infrastructure. this just shows an inverse of the increase in the number of vacancies that we have right. as of today we have 1171 rated vacant beds. i know the purpose of this hearing was to spend some time what else we could do if we wanted to look in a different direction rather than building a jill. i raise the context of the national conversation because here in san francisco we been having and now receiving the support through grants the larger national conversation about really trying to find some innovations that prevent people from committing crime. how do we rehabilitate an offer that integration back into society and to get out of jail incident back into jail? i wanted to raise a recent pilot program of

the adult probation program just lunch. the housing 42 provisions at the drake hotel get $600,000 of funds they are using to do that. if we were to take the $600 million it will cost us to build and finance the facility we are discussing because for 20 more individuals in the community. be it the highest estimate we have for the jail bed need is 393. additionally, i wanted to point out some of the current constraints we have around beds within the system. the public defender's office mention the behavioral health courts. a very successful program. we have in our court system dramatically reduced recidivism, has great benefits for public safety, we see incredible turnarounds in people's lives to that program. however, most people that we identify that are eligible for behavioral health court and really should be in a residential treatment that end up reading about 90 days for transfer from jail to those

beds. those are 90 days that we could free up if we had more mental health beds we can move people were immediately to those treatment beds and get him underweight with her treatment rather than keeping them in a jail facility. we know that joseph comedogenic yet the more time some installs in jail the more likely they are to commit more crime. odyssey, particular mental health population we want to move them as quickly as we can into a treatment setting and out of the custody setting for those individuals we have agreed are appropriate for that. we have, on average, 40-50 people on a given day waiting in custody that they approved for transfer to a treatment facility. that sounds like a small number, when we look at the conversation where having about the average daily population and the need over time, we are talking in the range of 100-200 people on the high end. the controllers estimate indicates it would get county jails beds open we need somewhere between zero and 21 beds. so, all of these

suggestions made both by the public defender's office and our self actually do take a meaningful swipe at the remaining buffer of individuals were talking about housing. just in closing where office wanted to recommend and the da wanted to recommend to all of you is that we take an opportunity to get a classification consultant that can help us understand what type of a need we have and where they can be appropriately has. we have over 302 beds at county jail six writenow. that jail facility is used as recently as 2010. it was close because were not a need for because the vacancy rates and to make budget savings related to that. in the past, it has housed both medium and maximum security inmate was not ideal and appreciate the deputy's

assertion is not the ideal setting, it could be a temporary solution while we figure out a better way forward. we can conducted for the population study using the 2015 numbers and him and him so were sure we are using the numbers resulting from reductions seen by proposition 47. it's the most dramatic final justice change we've seen in this country and particularly in the state and it is behoove us to make sure were operating with numbers that reflect that gigantic policy change. then, finally, we need to conduct a needs assessment of the jail population. i think db h is going to see greater later in this hearing. i think there a lot of numbers putting out there probably mentally ill inmates there are, honey people would benefit from a treatment that. how many need to be kept in custody because of their danger levels. we don't have any firm numbers on what the needs of digital population are. perhaps, we will learn the building a mental health facility were supportive

housing that would best meet the needs of this population, without a needs assessment we can come to that answer. in closing, i want to give as i was thinking about this presentation, i thought if i had gastric bypass surgery the first thing i would not do is go out and buy an expensive designer wardrobe at the moment i was. i wait i completed that weight loss to make that type of investment. i think were in a moment here in san francisco. we are in the middle of a sea change and to make a $600 million investment when we don't know where we are headed and we don't yet have the final answers as to where we are headed is not the right use of those fun. if, at the end of this we find out we should've invested those dollars mental health beds, substance abuse beds, in supportive housing beds, we spent that money on a jail just as we did with why dc that now sits half empty it would be shame to exhausted those resources not be able to provide the services people actually need to turn their lives around. >> thank you. i just wanted to clarify something with the comments in your presentation

that cj-six only closed because it was needed to does because it was not needed and it saves money. from my understanding, that's not true. i vaguely remember something about a lawsuit, or something requiring that we rebuild it because of safety reasons, but i don't know all of the facts and i'm hoping that someone either from the department of public works were summoned from the sheriff's deponent can clarify the facts on that but i don't think that statement is entirely accurate. >> sure i'm sure that the more information the controller support references that the closing for budgetary reasons get a dozen mention a lawsuit. >> oakley summoned during their presentation can clarify that. >> so, we will have the sheriff's deponent present and so, if we can just respond to that question. and clarify the answer that question as well. so, next we do have will young,

director pretrial diversion project. >> after him cheryl robinson from dbh and folks want to move to a place where it's easier to come up to the committee. thank you for being here. >> good morning. >> i'm sorry. before you start, i just was notified there is an overflow room for members of the public that are not able to find a seat here. that dark individuals there and we call people from public comment we will make sure give enough time to get here from the overflow room. thank you. >> good morning, supervised my name is will leong on the seal of the semper cisco pretrial diversion project just a moment to give you an overview of the organization, we basically have three tracks of services. the first track is case is that,

due to service and get interviewed and placement, and that's really to the district attorneys in road court program and cases that work off of our combined -- some of you are familiar its budget 20, around for many years. roughly 6000 people go through that program. the second track is our diversion programs, which is the version and restitution. it unveils about 1200 cases a year and basically, it's participating in programs in prosecution on an annual basis for quarter of million dollars in restitution overturned victims and it approximate 1200 cases a year. the third track, which is why i'm here today, if the pretrial release programs. the program roughly serves 8000 people a year. on an annual basis, for example in 2014,

there were just under 1400 people that were released to pretrial release last year. this year, we are targeting just under 1200 cases that are being released. the key factor in the pretrial release that we've seen over the last, particularly, the last three years, is that we've invested in the risk assessment instrument that we had started in 2008. in the summer of last year we had the opportunity to be involved in the arnold foundation and the selected by the arnold foundation. what that is, bringing into current times they pretrial release

mechanism. it's a risk assessment instrument that will be utilized by the court. really, the goal of all pretrial release is to avoid the release of high-risk cases, obviously, and the detaining of low-risk cases. so, if you're looking at the current population, which is, if we are projected just under 1200 word leases, either cases we can do it better job on? absolutely. i think that this is an imperfect science. that's why i think it's a game changer that the arla foundation is bringing to us this year that we been selected for. that, they are going to implement a tool which is for use by the judges, and it's really based on bringing to scale the ability to do massive amounts of assessment and provide information. the very cool thing that is

happening with the arnold foundation are the three factors that we will look at which, hereto for we do not have. the likelihood of their failure to appear, which is that they appear in court. the likelihood that they'll commit another criminal act, and the third factor is the likelihood of committing another criminal violence criminal act. that piece alone providing to the judges, i think, is a true game changer. the court will have this kind of information, which i think will get into all sorts of much greater decision-making and release decisions. we are expected -- bear in mind, the arnold foundation, and this new tool is scheduled to go probably at the end of the

summer. we are in the midst of negotiating the mo you currently. was not driven by the -- by this issue didn't in fact, the risk assessment started in 2008-2009. we had actually pay for independent. we started using the tool and we are excited because i think as many parties are looking at this and this is clearly the look into the future of how you're going to make better decisions. that the court will have more information, that hereto for it did not have. we are excited to provide it. bear in mind also that you're talking about that we provide 5-6000 packets a year to the court. these are incredible amount of information. over the past two years, a lot has pretrial release has gone online. the key to the pretrial

release side is in terms of services. there's no question there's a decline that the cases we are seeing now are much more difficult. difficult meaning, they have more mental health needs, housing needs, and i think the district attorney's office raised a very key issue, which is, if there were resources i'm a i think you could get people out awaiting transportation into programs awaiting release, that they would be able to be taken out of jail and transported to a program. this is my associate, chief operations officer also in makati, and i want to turn to her just to give you an idea a couple of the mental cases that we are seeing now that are typical of the day today and really, i think is one group of cases that you may want to look at the risk assessment tool no doubt i think will point to.

>> good morning. we were involved with the jr i burns institute, the research also done as well. the risk assessment tool helps provide the judges, the public defender mentioned, as well as the district attorney mentioned, it's more objective. so, is based on a score. therefore, folks it will prevent the racial disparity that is occurring. most of our clients were coming out, we work with with jc we work with the behavioral health court and the collaborative courts as well. most of the clients of the we are seeing better coming out currently have mental health issues as well as substance abuse issues. as mr. barry mentioned, they aren't custody from 2-4 months awaiting placement into a treatment facility. those are clients that if we did take those clients out, they would probably

fail out of custody. so there is a long waiting list for them. or whole process would've to get into a treatment facility program from custody as well. the clients that we do take out of custody, one of the issues is based on real estate -- one of the issues as well mention, substance abuse, beds that are available for the clients that are coming out of custody. so that we can keep them from recidivism. we can keep them from failing to. we have to make sure the major chordates. we do boston we go to their cameras. we know their street names and so forth to get these guys back to court. however, these clients are homeless. the majority of them are homeless. we also need beds available for these clients and we take them out of custody to my there are few shelter beds. we do work with the clients are currently on probation because probation does have housing. however, we see a short -- a

shortage of beds treatment beds, mental health beds, and as well as housing. that is a great problem for our office and the caseworkers and the clients because once we can stabilize our client of mental health, their prescription medication, get them into a substance abuse program, or into housing while they are waiting and we are working with them, they're more likely to appear and less likely to reoffend. >> one question i would ask, director, do you feel that with the current funding that you have that you have the capacity to serve all of the eligible pretrial detainees to your program? >> odyssey additional funding would be welcome in terms of seeing more cases. i think the issue is, it's not just for the pretrial case orders that

equally as important are the available resources. that, if i didn't just bear with me, is not quite as exotic anecdote as christine deberry but in the field of dreams movie if you build it and you have the facility, we will be able to do that. i think it makes extensive use of pure advocates and it's really access to resources that we need and then you have the staffing to do it. it's labor intensive, meaning you're taking people to appointment. you're picking them up, delivering them to programs. and scheduled the case managers can turn spend the entire time -- >> for the sake of them i would like only one person to respond to questions. but what i will then say is, i think it's important that as we continue this exploration and

study process, that your program anticipates. but if we can have a sense of what the alternatives are. so we were able to fund this program to a greater extent, how much would that help reduce our jail population while keeping our city safe because of resources that you provided i think that's really where i'm headed. but it's hard to make the answer on the fly here a committee, but i think your voice could be an important one as we can to continue to study this issue. so, thank you >> thank you. chapter jill robinson from the department of public health and we had to have debbie sheriff freeman from the sheriff's department. >> good morning, supervised on jill robinson dir. of behavioral health services. my prior position was that of the director of behavioral health services for the jail. i was in the jail for about 20 years. in

the jail, there is approximately 11-17% of the individuals that have a serious mental illness, that being defined as someone with a psychotic disorder were a major mood disorder like bipolar. about a month ago we did a one-day snapshot to try to get an exact percentage, and that date it was 14%, which was around 170 individuals. one thing to note, people with mental illness tend to stay in a jail longer than those in general population. it is due to a multitude of reasons. things like the individuals may struggle to understand the court proceedings. they may struggle to work with their attorney in their own defense. they also are frequently homeless. they also don't have the resources to get out on

bail or they don't meet the criteria to get on their own recognizance. so, it's about 125-140 day that these individuals are incarcerated more than those without mental illness. most of the individuals with mental illness, that 14%, to have a substance abuse disorder. about 80% of the general population has a substance abuse disorder. if courts are going to incarcerate individuals that have mental dullness, the facilities need to be safe, they need to be humane, and they need to have places that people can be treated. they need housing areas that are safe, dormitory housing doesn't work for folks that have mental illness. imagine someone that's having a manic episode that may stay up all night talking

loudly, singing loudly, cleaning their so imagine how that would go over with other inmates trying to sleep in their dormitory setting. so, they need single cell or two person housing. we need treatment space, both for individuals treatment that meet compliance so private space where the clinician can sit with the client and hear the clients concerns, work with the client that is visible to the custody staff but the custody staff can't hear what's being said. it's also very important that we group rooms. that'll be what we call therapy rooms so that the individual can roam around. socialize, when they're in jail, and learn how to socialize, learn how to cooperate and be in treatment so they can be successful when they're in community. people

that are housed in direct supervision jails generally do better. jail is the huge risk for suicide and i don't know how many of you have looked at county jails three and four but there the old vail bar jails, though, it kind that you see in the movies. it's hard for the deputies to view inmates are housed in those type of jails. it's hard for the deputies to interact with inmates are housed in those shares. it's hard for psych staff to go in and work with her mill you helping them socialize, helping them become healthier. so, direct supervision jails are very very important to this population. people with mental illness and the jail are up a vulnerable population, and they need to be safe in a jail. staff who treat them also must

be safe in a jail. if a jail help staff is it in an area setting one-on-one with an inmate with no window, which does happen, it's not safe to be sitting with that individual. in county jail five, i don't know if you've seen it. it's been it's the newest jail that the symphysis go sheriff's department has, we currently have what's called a psychological sheltered living units. in that psych staff in their everyday working with those individuals, working with them in group sessions, working with them one-on-one and working with them as they socialize with each other, including playing games, watching television, anything that's going to help them learn how to be in a setting with

other people could we have also found that the general population, the mill you setting, helps staff morale. it's very important that you want to a staff that wants to go to work, that they're compassionate about what they do and that happens at county jail five. at county jail four and county jail six there is currently insufficient treatment space. there is no interview rooms. there's no group rooms. this no office space for staff. when people work in a jail they must have access to computers and two telephones him and to private space where they can keep confidential records. at county jail four and county jail six

this limited access to jim and most of the literature shows that people who are depressed, benefit from physical activity. it's very important that people with any kind of mental health issue be able to access jim, access physical activity. >> thank you ms. robbins guy politicking becomes increasingly unfair as presenters, after realizing work him and him close to an hour now with only gone through four of our seven presenters. so just for the sake of time i knew you presented this information yesterday budget committee, and i really appreciate your perspective again today. actually, i know from supervisor breed and myself i think this is one of the key aspects that we want to explore the most and we talk about rebuilding the jail. i said this yesterday, but the stanford law school and california state senate pro tem gerald steinberg came out with the board asking when the prisons become acceptable

mental health care facilities? i think the there was summarize the report in the back. thank you for bringing it. it's a really big question. i think increasingly we as a society actors here in san francisco, are relying on prisons and jails as the solution to the mental health issue that we are really struggling to address. i really want dph to play a central role in helping us really rethink what our jail system could look like and i cited some of this yesterday at the national alliance of mental illness stated, at some point, 25-40% of individuals across the country will at some point be incarcerated. that is a very stock number and knowing that 45% of inmates thursday prisons today are treated for mental health illnesses, that at close

to 50% of inmates in our state prison system are treated for mental health issue. so, clearly, is more we can do in this arena and appreciate some of the solutions you presented in terms of what we can do to better address that issue. thank you. >> thank you. >> deputy chief freeman thank you for being here and i just want to say, this charset on for decades has been a model department throughout the country. really innovating and piloting some of our incredible programs around rsvp, restorative justice, and many other programs that have helped prevent recidivism. so i want to acknowledge the sheriff's apartment really innovative work on that. >> supervisors, good morning.

it's a pleasure to be here to get my name is matt freeman on the chief deputy sheriff in charge of the custody operations division city and county of san francisco sheriff's office. the pleasure to be here today to have the opportunity to briefly speak with you regarding the rehabilitation detention facility project otherwise known as all justice placement jail project. we are also here today to talk you about aarp released by the board of state and community corrections pursuant to 863. replacement of the h linder hall justice judge that a top priority on the state capital plans since 2006. jeff's apartment has been working with several city agencies as part of the justice facilities improvement project since 2008. as you know, the justice facility proven project calls for the relocation of all all justice tenants. constructed in 1950, the building has received a seismic hazard rating of three which

indicates in event of an earthquake any structural damage to the hall of justice be very severe impose appreciable lighthouses that likely would require the vacation of the building. since 2008 bishops of honest look closely with the gel planning team consisting of representatives of the mayor's budget office, comptroller's office, department of public works, capital planning committee, and real estate department response to to state senate bills, senate bill 1020 and senate bill 86 in economy to obtain funding opportunities. the work of the gel planning group has been very collaborative. included the input of multiple disciplines and subject matter experts in the bus serves as a good example with the city cannot publish them we work together on large projects such as this. some 30 years before the implementation of state realignment in october of 2011 the sheriff deponent is fully embraced and been a leader in the delivery of in custody in

a programming that seeks to address the underlying grid of actors that played offenders by offering some of the most innovative evidence-based programs in existence today. we publish this via our professional team of staff to include deputy sheriffs, chairs program and rehabilitation coordinators, jill help clinicians, jill behavior health clinicians, community-based organization partners and through collaborative partnerships with greater criminal justice infrastructure to include the courts among adult probation, parole, public defender, district attorney, and the police department. the sheriff deponent believes that secure detention is not a one-size-fits-all application of justice and is not necessary in every case to ensure public safety. because of this belief, we have robust pretrial diversion and alternative to incarceration programs. in fact, on any given day it is likely that we have somewhere between 900-1100 individual

places observe pretrial were alternative program. as a matter fact, i think it's even higher than that now. reality is, however, many of the offenders arrested in the city and county of san francisco are not eligible for these programs due to the seriousness of their charges. the sheriff's apartment truly believes and holds dear to live in high school results ability to not allow incarceration time to be wasted time. we do our best to prepare inmates for successful reentry which makes the community healthier and safer. the sheriff's department innovative nature and understands fully the words of our role in the treatment of the underlying cause of criminal behavior. we will continue to work with apoptosis partners to address the needs of offenders and reduce recidivism. because this by delivering evidence-based programming and conditions of confinement that facilitate a therapeutic environment whereby effective case management, delivery of educational curriculum, soho and vocational

program and can thrive and is realized in our county jail facility today. central to this effort is replacement of the age in seismic week to finish in linear jails three and four. two primary areas with busby considering consideration of this project. the first being that count in response to our own successes in offender management in light of the information gleaned from the multiple and independent jill population forecast, the sheriff deponent seeks to reduce the overall pick count that the county jail. the second and perhaps more porn consideration are the conditions of confinement and safety of the incarcerated population. the rpf will replace two linear jails told in the late 1950s that utilize indirect supervision application and offer no ability whatsoever to deliver any programs in meaningful care to the mentally ill. the rpf will be built in watterson is using pot design and light truck supervising over significantly increasing inmate safety. the rpf will contain modern classrooms with the latest technology and activity which bolsters the ability to

live or educational curriculum, programmatic content and vocational training. the facility will have designated reunification that offenders committing family ties. rpf love designated housing areas those offenders with the important challenge of dealing with mental health issues. the conditions of combined in all justice jails are deplorable. not reflective of the values of san francisco. the replacement of these outdated facilities is long overdue and central to the overall approach criminal justice efforts in the city and county of san francisco. i have a very brief slide for you that i think are very important in light of some of the earlier presentations from supervisors trust me, i will be brief >> was actually going to the site as your talking and went over all these points. >> there are couple of slides that i would like to touch on if you'll indulge me for a brief moment, supervisors shifted midwicket scuba said because you did cover that was in your presentation just now. >> sure. but talk about current operations and what the actual account situation is

what's available to us. currently, in use, counting jill two, four, and five which represents a total headcount of able to a sub 1634, when you look at the make count as of monday, july 13, we were that 70% of capacity. when you added classification factor of only 5-6 percentage point or pushes up over 80% of capacity. jail number three is close since 2013. i want to remind you it was current sheriff ross -- who ordered the closure of episode. facility. if we look at the future of 2020 but this exhibit would look at us and i would personal gel replacement cj-three and four are closed and we simply build nothing, we would actually have of able to us a total of 1232 jail beds.

what would that mean? just going by details jacob told me we were over 100% capacity. we were suffering from significant overcrowding, safety and security of the inmate and staff would be significantly compromised in custody programming would be severely impacted, operational costs would soar in litigation is a very likely scenario should that scenario actually take place. if we project forward to 2020, and we have replaced the age and seismically deficient hall of justice jails the revocation detention facility at 384 beds, we would have of those was a total of 1616, 1616 beds. this consistent with the controllers population forecast. this preserves inmate staff safety and the reserves in custody offender programming and treatment. i think that's very important to point out. all of justice jails have no classrooms. no vocational training space. terrible inmate child visitation program which

is a program we hold dear and terrible of care infrastructure and you can compare that clearly with the rpf where we have an entire floor dedicated to education curriculum, vocational training space,. you can offer a lot of inmate programs and they are all very important, but as we move into this new direction of vocational training were talking about jobs. designated inmate child visitation centers and state-of-the-art healthcare facilities. san bruno, county jail six facility that drawn a lot of attention and perhaps rightly so in open dormitory. there are no sales. there no safety cells were those that are being thereto and 50 are placed. there's no kitchen. there's no laundry. there is no vehicle south reports. the stare affect funds are compromised. it was built in the late 80s in response to significant jail overcrowding and supervisor breed, a

manager? what about that. far from family committee and support mechanisms, the job to compare that with the rv at double occupancy cells, in san francisco, close to the boast were very close to service providers, close to the criminal justice agencies they need to serve this population, since state-of-the-art medical and mental health. i want to conclude once again emphasize that the sheriff's department does offer funded in very robust community programs to include pretrial alternatives, pretrial diversion, you are well young talk about that. where account accountable homeless services. what we also 2.0, 123-based servers and alternative preservation is the current job sure if dosed in 2013 pushed legislation forward to expand the use of pretrial

electronic monitoring, which further is evidence to the commitment of this agency to pretrial alternatives and alternatives to incarceration. sheriff has been an advocate of vale performed something that has been talked about here today and supervisors like dui data sheet that gives you a complete breakdown of what the current bail statuses for every inmate is in the county jail today. the sheriff has spoken consistently and eloquently that is the two of aforementioned initiatives were to go forward, that the drop in recidivism would continue to see a drop. going to the issue of county jail number six and some of the questions supervisor breed that were brought up, number six was actually erected because of federal oversight. it was enclosed because of federal oversight. it was built in the

mid-late 80s in response to federal oversight of the san francisco county jail because at the time we were experiencing significant jail overcrowding. get inmate's house on the floor, room causes, gym floors. it was built to house the very specific inmate population. that was minimum-security inmates that were in the county jail at the time predominately for misdemeanor offenses. that is a population that is not been placed in secure detention in this county for many many years. it was closed because it no longer fit the need of the sheriff's department and the type of inmates that we had committed to the jail by the courts were not suitable. it was not safe for the inmates or the staff to house them there. also, quite frankly the issues do play a role in that type of decision. that is the bulk of my presentation for you to get i want to thank each and everyone of you for alumni to address the committee. of course, given the questions be more than happy to answer them. >> thank you. thank you for the presentation i just want to reenter it again i've always

been a fan of the sheriff's department long before was on the board of supervisors because of the programming that you provide within counties. i visited five keys and i was on the school board. the program which i actually used a model for school district when i served on the school board. it's really amazing the work that this department has done for decades long before the rest of the country were paying attention to these types of pilots to muscle thank you for their common leadership on this program. >> a? >> i have a question. >> chairman yee >> for whatever reason am pressing a button it does not show up. thank you for your presentation. thank everybody for your presentation get is a lot of information that has been given out to me and very thorough in the presentations. comedy bits we need and so forth. what type of inmates we are seeing at this point. one of the things that are not been

discussed among which is i guess pretty important factor for me, is in regards to in particular, those that are waiting for the trials, or the bonding set, i'm just curious how many of those have visitations from families and friends? one of my major concerns is, if we were not to have certain beds in san francisco and we were, let's say we renovate jail six, is it >> correct >> we did that and we transport people for trial to be down there one of the biggest concerns i have is whether or not -- these are people who can't afford bonds

-- so they're probably coming from very poor backgrounds. so, the families themselves, if they wanted to provide support while they're waiting may be very difficult for them to provide the support. maybe a wrong assumption on my part, but i'm concerned about that. what would happen? are we seen people having visits in the city? >> i think up you bring a good point supervisor. it is a very poignant fact to point out that the san bruno jail carpets which is home: two jail five and six is located in the city of san bruno south of san francisco. with accident studies i've had members of my staff take public transportation report back to me how long it took them to get to san bruno. three hours is on

the low end. so, it's not a great location for family members to make it out on visitation days and see their family members. having said that, as an expression of our commitment, the sheriff's department commitment, to see to it that devotees remain, the shirt actually funds a shuttle free of charge from san francisco to the san bruno jail complex so that family members can visit their loved ones that are incarcerated. another critically important parts of our visitation program is what we call one family. where we have inmate child facilitated contact visits, which is shown to be a great success not only 40 incarcerated person, but for the dependent children to making that family bond, but once again, the san bruno because of the geographical difference and because of the way those facilities were constructed, that's not

optimized. it gone the extra mile to actually design in the rpf specific areas for inmate children visitation. >> thanks for that answer, but what i'm after is whether or not there's higher visitation while the inmates are in san francisco versus being in san bruno even though you have sh a shuttle that >> i could surely get back to you on that. i can tell you anecdotally, just what i see with my eyes, i would say the visitation rate is higher for the jails located in the city. >> i would appreciate that if you could get me that information. >> absolutely. >> so, we have our final two presenters. kyle patterson from the controller's office and brian strong [inaudible]

>> good morning, supervisor. maybe good afternoon at this point it minus kyle patterson comptrollers office. could you speak you briefly say about our jail population forecast update which is about a month ago. on this charger you can see the average daily population from 1980-2014. you can see since 93 there's been a slow decline in the jail population. however, over the past five years is been a very steep decline. however, i think that's a little misleading referred many times say the job operation is been declining very quickly. i don't think we will continue doing it hard into the future? the reality is, over the past 3.5 years as in a couple major policy shifts, vastly seeing

the joe population has flattened out. the chart here shows the monthly average daily population from 20 weight-2014. the blue shaded eight episodes the impact estate realignment on the joe population and the line is joe population as an estate realignment. the point awake from the site visibly that you can see on the left side there's a steep to climb in the joe populist but in 2012 we can see a leveling out going on there. looking even more closely, this is the daily joke out from 2014. we can see the joe population main very flat over the first 10 months of the year and of course proposition 47 passed in november which downgraded a number of felonies to misdemeanors we saw a drop in the joe population of 100-150 folks. so the joe population has really remained flat with pass through but five years activities policy shifts and actually, in 2015 we seen an upward tick in the joe populated the jail population is been moving up. so when their comments if we had included 2015 data in our

forecast of protest would be lower, this is not necessarily the case because i mention were were seen in 2015 is an upward trend in the joe population. we present our forecast into sinners the real quick question of whether not county jail six can be used. if county jail six can be used we forecast we may not need the jail at all. if, however, county jail cannot be used, then we would need a jail between 120-393 beds in 2020. it's important note, a replacement jail of the size between 120 and 393 beds would represent a 53-86% reduction from the hall of justice jails. an 18-30% reduction in the jail did talk about contraction in the jail system. as i mentioned in the last five, the big question about county jail six. i know lots of others have spoken about in today's won't bore you making you hear me

speak about it, but i think the key issue is that whether not we can safely house high-security inmates in this the so did you contain image on the lower left county jail six is up 372 bed facility and san bruno. it's entirely dormitory housing. there's no sales in there whatsoever. the shards of honor so strongly only minimum-security inmates can safely be housed there. is that what other notices proviso that suggestively some medium security inmates could be housed there. this area the board of supervisors would like more information moving forward will be happy to investigate that in the coming months. that's all i happen i would add one final comment which is that today there's been a lot of discussion about the alternatives that may reduce the joe population as part of our forecast we spoke with many different criminal justice partners but this plan programs and policies. it's important to note actually reduce those jail

population with those policies you have to await some other plan programs and policies that may push the population upward. what is been namely the plan hiring of hundreds of new police officers in the coming year. that could have it upward impact on the joe population. as a mentions alternatives without it outweighed the population did am happy to answer any questions you have. >> thank you. we appreciate you speaking at two times speed. notice. and our continued work with poor comptrollers office. this is been great information. thanks we have our final presenter. >> good afternoon, chairperson emac. supervise. my name is charles harris. i'm with public works are not speaking the capacity per se. instead i am representing brian strong from capital planning was away on vacation. in appreciation of other marks than offered by previous speakers, and in

appreciation of the time, but i like to do is set aside the presentation that i put before you because i think it was substantially addressed by the prior speakers, especially chief freeman. what i would instead like to do is offer you what i hope is some valuable background in regard to the planning that has occurred for this project. in 2006 with the initiation of the capital plan, the jail replacement was first broached. in year 2007-08 we debuted the justice facilities improvement program. this program is a strategy to replace the entirety of the hall of justice. we define a strategy by withdrawing or vacating the hall of the department -- [inaudible] is a program that gained momentum through the passage of earthquake safety response bonds. we have already taken police headquarters away from

the hall as well as southern district station. we are intending to withdraw the office of chief medical examiner from the hall in fiscal year 17-18. we are under way with the planning of the traffic company and forensics division for the police department project and the project will withdraw those two elements were aspects from the hall in fiscal year 19 and 20. what will remain effective 2020 would sensibly be district attorney and probation and police investigations. the matter possibly of jail replacement is pending. so, the momentum to draw folks out of the hall is underway and substantially so. em mission that upon their departure from everyone from the hall we would demolish the west wing and make it available to the civic for

superior courts replacement building. upon that commitment from the state the realize asian of that facility, they would then move from what is the east wing where they currently reside into their new building and then we would presumably demolish that east wing. creating a plaza or public space among the different buildings that would continue at that location. so, i just thought important to give you a larger sense of the intent in regard to the hall of justice replacement and certainly am available to answer any questions you may have. thank you. >> thank you. i don't see any further questions. i just want to reiterate, i don't think anyone on this board disagrees with this statement that jail three and four are completely out of whack and that we shouldn't have anyone in those two facilities that i think we

all agree with that. i think the question is what do we put in its place? what does the data show us in terms of the trends that we as a city and country are taking around mass incarceration, wages are moving away from realizing not only is it incredibly expensive and burdensome for taxpayers, but it doesn't even necessarily make our cities the community safer. so, rather than think about this moment is an opportunity to expand rebuild the jail, i think the better way to look at it is an opportunity for us to rethink our jail system. that is what our hearing is here today and this discussion will obviously continue at least for the next year. at this time, i'd like to open up to public comments. we actually have speaker cards. i appreciate your and easy as him to speak it i'm going to call the first 10 cards and if you

can line up and if you are in an overflow pre-start heading over to the committee room. i have rev. glenda houck, etc. etc. rev. thomas thank you for being here. >> i'm the founder and for 17 years for the safe house for homeless women. we are one of the cbo's wizard alternative to incarceration. the majority of our residents have a long criminal record, but they now wish to transform their lives,

escaping poverty, addiction homelessness, danger, and prostitution. we are alarmed by the growing numbers of women who come to us who have mental health problems, including head trauma, recurring seizures, bipolar, hallucinations severe dissociative disorder. ptsd paralyzing anxiety and depression and drug addiction. also, what i've not heard mentioned here today is we have women come to us who have significant developmental disability. the women who come to us in majority has suffered long-term incest and other child abuse. the majority have been on the street since they were an average of 14 years old. we need -- we offer a conference of 18 month old unit

and education program. including therapy, education, dental care, job readiness, many management, nutrition, substance abuse and self-defense and we do this at less than two thirds of the cost it would be -- we would encourage people woman in jail. i invite you, please, to remind you rather, san francisco once had a network of boarding residences for mentally ill people who do not need to be institutionalized number but who do need safe housing with minimal support to remain compliant, well-nourished [inaudible] >> thank you. by the way, i

hate cutting anyone off, especially reverends. i apologize for doing it just want i know we have a lot of speakers, to make sure we get through before folks have to go. >> i like to see my position to dr. kerry does >> i apologize. yes. you can come up afterwards but yes dr. cooper was on my list. >> thank you. hello., supervised. thank you for the careful consideration to this important issue. my name is terry cooper. i'm a psychiatrist. i the community practice. my professor at the right instance. i was a consultant to progress foundation and connections a

collaborative program and san francisco those very successful. it is a shame in our nation in a population over jails and prisons has multiplied at least sevenfold since 1970s. meanwhile, the proportion of prisoners with serious mental illness is actually been rising. we have essentially institutionalized people with mental illness moving them from the state hospitals to the jails and prisons another way to say that we've criminalized mental illness. the national sheriffs association and treatment advocacy center published a report showing that 10 times as many people with serious mental illness are in jails and prisons as in our hospitals. one response to the problem is to build a mental health jail. as you know, los angeles is also considering that option. behavioral health prisons are in a vote. california has one. work on is proposing. this approach is foolhardy. for many reasons. jails and prisons

necessarily involve a culture of punishment that is very damaging for people with mental illness. there's a basic in psychology. people change their behavior in response to rewards, not punishment. jails and prisons are set up actually as punishment systems. another important pencil is that people with mental illness will not improve the medications alone. they need to be talked to. they need psychotherapy, group therapy, and social revocation, which san francisco's many fine programs. the medications are one part of a conference of treatment plan, but of medication alone to be the entire plan their very badly lost. usually, the patients become subdued because they are drugs. they also become obese and with less. this list. in every public initiation local government and the federal government that i'm aware of,

new programs are devised and funded then after a while interest wanes and funding and the budgets are cut. a program deteriorates. what my concern is about a mental health jail is that after the judge of ipod as i thought i was your first bout in fact that was your second go. i do have to ask you to finish your sentence. we may call you back up afterwards so you clearly have a lot of expertise on this issue but just for the sake of making sure to get through. feel free to complete her sentence because i cut you off just to let me hurry through. >> complete the sentence >> the tone of his devotion and service scope very good diversion programs. connections is one. >> thank you. was hoping you would fit. i appreciate you being here, dr. cooper. >> thank you. the need for

alternatives to the jail is an integral part of the whole system of criminal justice. tinkering around the edges is not going to work at this time. but, first, i want to especially thank you president breed, supervisor kim, for spearheading the continuance of this hearing. your high level and informed leadership is both recognized and appreciated. thank you chairman yee and supervisor christiansen for your openness to hear this continuance today. three years ago us medical associate just a lease riley, the setting hiv for women in semper cisco discovered that the greatest risk to hiv and homelessness for women in san francisco was one experience in our jail. one. not 10, not three. one. for men, the highest risk factor

for both jail and homelessness was unemployment. we need to pay attention to this because this kind of study connected most of the docs we need to address today and problem solve through policy and public investment. one more.i want us to recognize and is already been addressed is the hayward burns study that was presented at reentry within the last 10 days because it takes us more deeply into our core systemic issues. racial bias and the link to criminal justice in the jails in the criminal justice system. especially, as it addresses the issue of african-americans and latinos and the public defender's office -- [inaudible] basically safer blacks and latinos, every issue and every alternative and every service be it mentally ill or what ever, needs to cut and

below that racially. >> thank you. thank you for all your work on this issue. >> good afternoon, supervised. sharon johnson. thank you president breed and supervisor kim for holding this hearing and supervisor yee and supervisor christiansen for being that this wonderful public forum. i want to -- unless retired city employee i work as a former executive director for the that is of women. in those early days we did a program coming to the sender was taking a look at at risk youth. at that point we saw why the position not be rebuilt but read them. it is today 2015 to say those words weren't heated. it is very wonderful to see that you are

we thinking about what is happening to our people that are incarcerated him a especially those with mental health issues. i'm glad that you are thinking to do what is right no matter what because they are people who deserve to be successful products of our society and not just to be jailed because people think they need to be jail. i i think of your time and i look forward to positive results for those people in jail. >> thank you. >> good morning.. i am the sony manager the public defender's office and a member of the public defenders for racial justice. i am appreciate this opportunity to supervisor came matching, we think, this conversation where we are rethinking the jail system. i want to point to one fact reflects the deep irony in our

jail system right now. that is, in 2013 statistics, which is that on average, over 86% of the average daily population that year, and i think it's about the same now, is presentence, please sentence which means the people incarcerated are actually presumed innocent. it's a deep irony that so many of the people that are in jail are people that are presumed innocent and often times there's an offer made that if you plead guilty you can get out of jail. i think we want to reflect on what that says about our system. while you're innocent that is our people should be in jail if you plead guilty you can leave. as the population of san francisco want to people to plead guilty because they've detailed investigation with her attorney

where they say the evidence is such that we recommend you plead guilty, or do we want a system where people are pleading guilty merely to get home to kids, to get to job opportunities, to get to educational opportunities? is that a fair system and fundamentally it isn't. so, the best way to avoid the problem is to put more effort into releasing people pre-adjudication, pretrial so they can effectively work on their cases rather than it just being something that's forcing guilty pleas. thank you. >> thank you so much for coming, steve. >> good morning, supervisors. my name is joshua wilson with the san francisco [inaudible] member of the racial justice committee as well as -- social survey that was a documentary on pbs. i think was called stranger by another name. that essentially track is that after the emancipation proclamation

slavery did not and i'm here to say slavery is alive and well in san francisco. once sick and tired of having this conversation. nothing is being done. in 1994 the report that came out that said african-american men in san francisco were twice as likely to be incarcerated in san francisco than anywhere in the us and at that time, 10 times more likely to be incarcerated in a apartheid south africa. then the -- report came out and the in-between that the cjc and whatever reporting out. people come to the board of supervisors, different supervisors, different terms is still the same problem. in the burns institute report -- i'm holding up a copy of it -- out of 1000 adults in the population for blacks, two of the six at any time of african-americans were locked up. that means 20.6% of

african-americans were in county jail at any given time in san francisco compared to whites who were 1.9%. we can talk about this panic and brown people because the numbers are not accurately reflected, but what we do know we can come by people at 20 presented by this board of supervisors what will history say about you? in any event talk is cheap. action is priceless. we know we got the numbers right now. at this point, how may more black and brown lives do if the pile of here? how many reports do we have depth before something is done? enough is enough. action is priceless. >> thank you so much. we appreciate all the work that the public defenders office is doing. thank you so much for both being here. >> thank you for holding this hearing. [inaudible] practice

for public safety but we need your leadership now more than ever to push the metal doesn't perform to our needs to be an san francisco. specifically, i ask that you direct the san francisco department of public house along with col. justice partners to come up with a competent plan for alternative programs and policies to this single capital option but jailed replacement facility has been brought before you. this board has authorized $10 million the planning and development of a jet. you have been requested to authorize $14 million more and get this board is not authorized a single dollar were directed a single city staff person to look at alternatives. i ask that you do that. second, i ask that you direct the apartment of public works and the surest apartment to immediately decommission and permanently close cj-three. it's been empty thanks to the sheriff since 2013. we all agree it's unsafe. every projection shows we will not need those were 26 beds and ask

that you take action today. last, i ask that you immediately inquire to the city administrator's office and the sheriffs department about any contracting out of current jail beds in san francisco. we do not want to become a city that rents beds to other jurisdictions were trying to displace responsibility for their overreliance on incarceration. specifically, i ask that you inquire any utilization of cj-four. we've all determine it's unsafe. if it's unsafe for people being held under the superior courts it just as unsafe for anybody being held here through a contract with another jurisdiction. thank you. >> thank you. thank you for all your work as well on this issue. >> good afternoon. my name is -- this is layla and will be speaking together. good afternoon like i said my name is

[inaudible] up your mentor with project one family staff member and a child formally frustrated parent. although i love my city, and barely thoroughly disgusted my city is even considering a new jail. i like to tell people like me and my fellow children of incarcerated parents that we are seven times more likely to be incarcerated because her parents are were were. to me, this jail build is a cold and calculated way to plan which bed, sell, or me or my fellow children of incarcerated parents will be sitting in. how this money go for reentry services they won't be in another jail? area, the education of children of incarcerated parents for years of college more programming so we no longer have to be a statistic that the justice system needs. not in our name we build a new jail.

>> my name is layla de soto and their present advocate runs june 2014. i'm here today to discuss the new jail that you guys are discussing right now. so god personally i think it's going to be a waste to build new jail because half of the prison don't need to be isolated in a jail. they need help to get back on their feet and their needs need to be met. i believe children of incarcerated this should not believe in a nisbet as a child of incarcerated parent i've not seen my dad since i'm 416 next month. so, rather than spending money on an isolated build as you go to the children need transportation to see the parents or programs that help us to stay in contact with our loved one. today i'm here to prevent this from happening. feckless >> thank you. i still the couple more cards to call. first among laura thomas. the callback -- etc.

>> first of all, i want to say thank you to supervisors for holding this hearing. i have a powerpoint which i handed over but i will save time and just speak the point in it. i'm lord thomas with the justice policy outlines a number of san francisco taxpayers for public safety. amongst the recommendations we got three recommendations that we want to highlight. one is increasing funding for the pretrial diversion project. you heard earlier how effective that program is with in comparison

to the amount of money we would spend on a jail it's a relatively small amount of money that would dramatically expand their capacity >> did you want time to put that up on the slide? we will pause your time. >> so yes, recommendation number one is to increase funding for pretrial diversion project. specifically, making sure that they can staff up with the capacity to meet people with more significant mental health needs. that something that people with training would be able to do. the second recommendation is specifically to increase funding through san francisco department of health for supportive housing, mental health and exhibit substance abuse treatment programs. we heard about the importance of that and -- i'm sorry --

>> maybe someone can help you? >> so can i finish my point when people and things around dph funded programs is that the programs are run by the health department we could build other health insurance programs for providing therapeutic mental-health services and licensed facilities which is something we can't do for people with mental health image appeared in the jill, taxpayers are paying the full cost of their health care services in residential treatment clinically, run programs we can be getting the kind of reimbursement that will offset those cockpit judges agreed up for recommendations will let you run through three and four children only three. >> only three. the last one is on the san francisco police department. it's asking to expand the crisis intervention

team to enter de-escalate mental-health crises on the street before people end up getting arrested and put in jail. we can do a better job of diffusing the crises. ask san francisco to implement a model currently in seattle which gives police officers tools and the ability to refer people directly into services instead of being booked into jail. it would have an immediate impact on the number of people adding booked into jail as well as giving police officers the ability am a more tools, to address social problems that we are by and large asking the police department to address without necessarily giving them the tools. i will and there. thank you very much >> thank you, ms. thomas. >> good afternoon, supervise. my name is nancy rubin. i'm a

retired department of public health employee. i ran the jill of services. i work in the county jail for 15 years. from 1975-1990. after that i was the county health and human services director marin county deputy director los angeles countdown very familiar with the policy questions that are in front of you today noted thank you very much for taking the time to really think through and listen to this am i these issues instead of making what would be considered somewhat of a hasty decision with such a large amount of general fund dollars will have to go to match any kind of state dollars that come forward. i heard the controller correctly today, at the high end of the recommendation is for one or 20-392 people, at diane. we been hearing testimony today from individuals that can give you -- including the sheriff's office, to the problems we wouldn't need a joke. if other

programs were incremented by laura thomas, and/or the other just that. etc., i think we can dramatically reduce the numbers even in the jail today. just like taking the efforts of having a committee on alternative to jail compared to just a committee on capital building. so, i want to urge you once again to look at those numbers in terms of the numbers that are projected for the numbers of beds and also echo what the public defender's office was saying. once again, for the thousand people in jail that haven't been sentenced. 1000 people are in jail. only when 70 are there senses. 1030 are there presentence because they cannot afford bail. if you or i or our children were in a situation in jail we wouldn't be. we would get out due to the bail process, etc. only to step up the number programs that are of able to address is very small number. the years that i

spent running a jill health service, we spent battling jails overcrowded we are now completely under the she very proud of our efforts and build on those success. thank you very much. should you thank you for your work. >> thank you. thank you for your work >> my name is [inaudible] i've been working in around jails and prisons in the state. worked initially in the mid-70s with sheriff [inaudible] working to reduce the number of women image appeared to a work furlough program and mothers tell ship it at that time were about 2400 people in the jill system. i am very pleased that -- i also served on the jail overcrowding committee in the late 1970s, which propose a lot of the alternatives that help to reduce the population now to about 1200. but i feel like saying, i've been listening to lots and lots of [inaudible] this monday i think keeping

back to the words bill nagle guzzo former prison warden now in his early 90s who said as long as we continue to build jails and prisons we will have neither the political will nor the resources to develop the alternatives. thank you. >> thank you. >> hi. i'm [inaudible]. i'm here again in the capacity as the jill group's coordinator. we work with a number of people who are directly the target audience of new jail i guess you could call it. i have a background in mental health and general public health education. so, i wanted to really commend a lot of the programming that we are he heard about today. the aurora project, a lot of the diversion programs. i think is a really good start, but

it's important to also point out san francisco, with gentrification that is undeniable is increasingly hostile to poor people low income people, of all kinds. until we have confidence of job training, youth development programs, mental health, long-term mental, not just the short-term things we have in place, and long-term housing that is truly affordable and community driven, we are not going to have the kind of success we are looking for. so, i think what we need are these programs need to be investing all of our money into these programs while i agree, again, cj-four ncj-three are deplorable, i don't think again expensive new jail is going to be the answer. thank you again for taking this so seriously. i know it's actually rare for this conversation to even be happening at this level being taken seriously by public officials. so, i appreciate the consideration you are getting. thank you. >> thank you, ms. long.

>> hi. my name is [inaudible] i work with cgi justice project a member of the coalition. i am here to advocate for no vote option on the jill and as an alternative. the united states the course duration for a black woman is one into trans woman the committee-based resources and not a new jail. trans woman the bail reform. trends are often looked up for survival crimes which is the city's issue and shouldn't fall on the shoulders of these women to bear. [inaudible] artie live as a sop in place and ensures they remain inside inverse invading. trans women could be diverted to programs like robin tells which is the only longer-term housing that the city funds that trans woman can both access and feel safe in. ironically enough, they just found out that trans funding to

our houses being cut so fewer women when i'll access to that resource for stability. when considering diversion as well as bail reform the 80% of people inside of a [inaudible] is arbitrary if they have not been convicted yet. making good-faith efforts to divert his people would have a dramatic impact on a number people in the jill. trans women need access to mental health services outside of jail , so surviving how the world treats people who are black, female or trans, is enough. all the above takes its toll on a trans woman's mental health. there being [inaudible] mental health treatment facilities and better conditions of people with mental health issues, yet since 2008 funding has been cut to san francisco general hospital so now there are [inaudible] mental health treatment. trans women need

transgender housing and jobs in the community investing in jobs and housing provides the necessary stability to keep trans women of color out of jail and thriving in the san francisco community at san francisco is kosher to solve social issue. we need to invest in the people that live here and not just the people were moved here by 2020. >> thank you. i was confused about which one was your first name or last name. mr. woods. >> minds and two-with the san francisco [inaudible] i'm here to say we support all the alternatives to various agencies and groups have testified today and said just to proud numbers four women were specific reasons housing rights organization might support the alternative to jail rather than more cages, 25% of

those are homeless before being imprisoned the vast majority remain homeless unreleased. i know [inaudible] we get letters often from those incarcerated wondering what their rights are as tenants when they get out of jail. make times we don't have an answer to that. then, to bring up again that some of said previously spanning $600 million to fund for 20 new supportive housing units, which would actually be more than what the sheriffs are proposing for the new jail him a the 393. it would reduce [inaudible] funny more supportive and affordable housing. we wouldn't need the jail at all. thank you. >> thank you. >> hi. my name is karen smith,

speak as a concerned resident of san francisco and a citizen and voter but also someone who seen the effects of gentrification happening at a rapid pace in san francisco. i think it's very much part of this discussion here. especially when were talking about investment in community as opposed to investment in facilities that incarcerate people. i am also-i want mention i'm concerned about the logic of things i hear about the support for new jail such as the idea of a therapeutic confinement facility at it talked about by the chief deputy sheriff. with the idea of creating safety within a jew. i think a lot of the alternatives that we heard about talk will create safety outside of japan i don't know where it talked about inside of jill. talk about people taking people to learn appropriate behaviors within very sanitized sterile environment that we've seen time and time again is actually quite unsafe just by design. when we could

be creating that kind of safety outside good all of these options that people up and coming forward with. so, also, i think we just heard obama speak on a move away from incarceration yesterday. unfortunately, the way that looks like in california is an increase in spending on county jails. i think we need to be more expensive and are thinking about what our alternatives to caging not at the state level but also a county level. >> i should know before having his conversational hearing today our presidents is for the first time ever visiting where federal prisons. really raising the question of criminal justice and prison reform. thank you. >> great. thank you supervisors. my name is mohammed -critical resistance. just to go off of that, right now, we really want to contextualize

this moment, our current climate, is acknowledgment across the board of the failure of imprisonments in our society. within this context, mental health plays a very crucial role and we are seeing that nationwide has been pointed out. if san francisco is no exception. what has been shown is that mental health jails or putting people that suffer from mental illness into jails, actually does not work it would does work is out of custody programs. this report i can provide to you to your offices after this meeting that are not recalling the name of, that showed that even for the low level of nonviolent offenders, as well as those charged with violent crimes, the out of custody mental health programs have been just as likely for both categories. so this sews

his effectiveness across the board. one thing to always keep in mind and remember is the racial dynamics are embedded in each of these categories and issue. when we are talking about mental health and we are talking about substance abuse, when we had talked about homelessness and poverty and not being able to afford bail, it is undergirded by the racial dynamics. so, when we want to address these stark disproportionate number of black people in the county jail ,, a people of color, we need to be investing in these kinds of out of custody programs in support of housing, in resources to really build up communities to begin to even scratch the surface of these really racist dynamics of the jail. so, alternatives is definitely the way to go. not throwing money into a new jail. thank you. >> thank you. i still have 10 more -- i still have cards to call. i'm having trouble

reading this one. >> good afternoon supervised the minor's annual cry. i'm an individual resident of san francisco. i live in district 3. i was happy to come to these proceedings. i actually have been volunteering in the jail for five years without an organization. so i'm really happy to be a part of this jail fight. it's really given me some inspiration actually to keep doing what i'm doing in the jail i'm teaching a weekly

zen-based meditation class, and i teach in the small visiting room class and i don't know how many of you have visited the jail but there anywhere from 15-20 women in my classes and the need thing i want to communicate is if you know how small those visiting rooms are with 15-20 people on a very close proximity with incarcerated and in all my years there's never been any incidents of anybody ever asking me to do anything unauthorized. i never felt personally unsafe, threatened for myself or my property, and so, i feel this is evidence these are people that do not deserve to be locked up. there are alternatives that they can take advantage of. many of them, their lives are, their stories are beyond, unfathomable probably to your knowledge. i've had women who might you note their mother was

thrown out of a balcony window. at any rate, i just want to say it speaks to the fact they need services. they are locked in a cycle of re-incarceration, and i see many of the same faces over and over again, even since the beginning of this year, and i think that jail reform would be effective for this population. there was one woman in my class last night actually reported to make this was good news that, she was back not because she had re-offended because she missed her court date. there was a warrant out for her arrest. anyway, i would just ask [inaudible] >> thank you. thank you for volunteering in our jail system. >> i michael line, san francisco panted. we are very upset as a group on issues of mass incarceration. i want to

call particular attention to the statistics give this huge preponderance of people in jail because they're too poor to make bail. on the one hand and the huge preponderance of black and latin people were in jail get when you put those two together, you have a truly racist situation. now, i want to talk about how the likelihood of not getting out on bail increases the risk that you're going to be convicted later on. i was facing 20 years of prison on a charge, which i had nothing to do with. it didn't apply to me that i was innocent, and i eventually went to trial was able to beat these charges. but a large part of the reason i was able to do that is because i was free and i was able to find potential witnesses. i was able to investigate all the evidence

that was there, look at the discovery. was able to determine what kinds of things went into the charges that were against me. i was able to build a huge supplement to the work of the public defender did. it made a difference. unless there can be bail reform, the that lets people out and defend themselves, we are going to get a huge racist increase in the number of convictions. >> thank you, mr. lion. >> i want to thank you guys for having this. before again our star with the mayan poem.

it goes [inaudible]. if i do harm to you i do harm to myself. if i love and respect you i love and respect myself. with that said, i want to talk about how we treat each other versus the system institutionalizes us and institutionalizes people that we are supposed to accommodate our needs. that's why the public figures [inaudible] in order to keep us [inaudible] i just want to like reflect on that how massive restoration has here in california we have over 33 presents, not that om talk about state prison. if we were to build another jail here, it would just accommodate a system of oppression and we don't need that bit i want to thank everyone who came up with all the solutions are therapeutic for solutions that we need. i live in the tenderloin never went in there has been incarcerated but why?

not because of mental illness or homeless. i would ask you guys to really like listen and read item and what you do here but i'm a i really want to thank you guys and i want to thank our to ask you guys as a person as a human to really look at these solutions and alternatives because it's needed in the city. like most people i just learned that other states spent all their homelessness all their [inaudible] to the study to the city san francisco and then up in the tenderloin. i live in. that'sto be my mom. presto placed it be my elbow. i don't see it that i would see a beautiful place in the tenderloin where these things are being accommodated. there's a lot of kids -- i read this article in the tenderloin there the highest population of children and that blew me away. that is not cool. these kids pass by that and see that every day. i want to ask >> thank you. i want to

clarify i'm so sorry i have to go in the winter i call. i will do want to i represent the tenderloin. you don't have the highest number of children. actually, that is not in our district we do have this debate is whether we have the highest density of children because it's such a small neighborhood. absolutely, i don't think people realize how may families of children with in this neighborhood. thank you. >> hi. my name is with critical resistance. in california united for responsible budget. thank you so much for holding this hearing. it's really excellent and important to have these opportunities for the public to have time to highlight the really practical and already existing opportunities we have two estimates of yesterday

derail this train which is the crisis of imprisonment or turn the train. so, i just want to draw some attention, i think the smoke and mirrors of the sheriffs department is spinning by saying it's possible for them to be running alternative programs. i want to just remind you all, when you talk about alternatives to talk about alternatives that are not inside jails and prisons. is not a mental health j. not community programs in a jail setting. that investment and imprisonment. when they present these charts about how much they're doing that is "alternative" those are jails. so, the robust community programs that include electronic pretrial monitoring that pushes the burden of nine dollars per week to these families do we know already are struggling economically struggling to make bail. it raises. his classes. is doing incredible economic violence could so, when they talk about

that they have the capacity or will to do alternatives those are not alternatives. those are turning homes into prisons making families be the guards. then, i just want to highlight also the controllers report is not natural. those numbers are not natural is everyone's been saying we must go to all see in public investment. while the police department increase is going to be a policy that is going to be driving more people to jail, who all have to be investing in things that are going to counter that. with samba, neither san bruno nor san francisco want to get we don't you just. we can't afford just bit the resistance in san bruno is his people are crying and mining alternatives. >> >> thank you. >> hello. minus.java transit

admin and a graduate researcher, university way focus on lgbt people and the criminal justice system. from my familiarity with the research got some data around 10 people in this dig the most, he said it's an untrained expense in the united states of the national transgender determination survey in its 2011 report showed 6% of transgender people have been sent to jail or prison. which rates exams higher than the rate of incarceration in the general population. we all know the people of color are disproportionately targeted and harmed by incarceration. trans identity compounds distances washington 41% of factors people 20% of latino trans people reported experiences of incarceration that are even higher than the description of likelihood of incarceration are black and latino people generally. to the research i've been doing in san francisco, i see the national trend rainout

on a local level to an even greater degree. in a recent interview with attractive health programs for trans people i learned that 80% of the trans woman she serves reported being arrested in the past year. in several interviews service providers have said that about programming in the jail because some of the clients end up there i can remain in contact with people any other way. national research in medical research and san francisco says trans people are being impacted and harmed by police incarceration at such a crisis disaster rates. it also shows trans people are more like to be homeless and living in poverty to be neither work and be barred social services because of staff bias and discrimination. when the talk about jail investment services we are talking about the same people in the difference is whether or not you believe their lives have value. i'm strongly opposed to the very idea of a mental health jail facility since we know the attempts for preservation create serious mental health issues. i can't investment in social services and community organizations led by formally incarcerated trans people. are you going to construct the jail to amplify inequalities or

invest in services -- [inaudible] >> thank you. hi. my name is-i'm with critical business need our state. the sheriff got 5 min. asked to speak >> the departments are under different rules. they're not limited to dump and ashley asked them to limit the time even though that's not the protocol. some i apologize for that. >> my point is just wondering whose time matters? basket photos here, missing people, the same powers were trying to disrupt to testify. they rely on themselves for answers because they are the only power they recognize. where the people living alternatives

everyday? whether people just have this ballot no punishment system not only as an act of the fines but also an active survival? why they called on to testify? is a single person currently in prison actively asked to talk about what they in the communities need more than a fancy jail? we are asking the best in alternatives and literally mean an investment. to be clear alternatives great social solutions. it's not a one-off it into a nt video only to refill it later down on. committed an concerted effort to maintain alternatives to make sure they're sufficiently resourced and shake ourselves of our reliance cages to solve problems. a fraction of the effort being used to push this gel product before to get free education to folks make affordable housing accessible to everyday to make sure people get jobs, to put [inaudible] so may people advocated for today, than the jail would already be emptied and shattered today. i just would end on if you don't

love us outside of cages and how can be expected to love us in cages? invest in alternatives, not in cages. thank you. >> thank you. i just want to fund your comment. i agree we don't have a very good system that we hear from the public and our department. of course, we get unlimited time to speak at these hearings. so, we try to do best we can. they're more members of the public. we have thought about having the community do a longer presentation but it was a question of who and which voice. it's a very -- i would want to acknowledge you brought up some good points. i think we try and to run the hearings the best we can. >> i am janey with [inaudible]. to be honest i'm also [inaudible] that the shares of him does to speak they are not the voice sterling you're looking for. anyway, the joe's

currently at 70% capacity and this is nothing to the need for a new job. anything do with the fact the police department is currently going through the process hiring 400 new officers, 250 in the new next fiscal year. more officers mean more or less of the people that criminalizing. yesterday, supervisor tang said associate with these dangerous people are -- the real danger lies with the jail. tonight about addressing about. when 80% of people in cages are not able to afford their jail that is danger. when 50% are black that white supremacy is danger. when one into black women expense imprisonment in her life that anti-black and that transmit jogs in the trans-phobia is dangerous. if it's all happening and san francisco. if you are talk danger, the site if it's all happening and san francisco. if you are talk danger, the site about july 10 through one of the deadliest months in the history due to police violence we are hiring

400 new police office. as i was in a blanket a black woman was found dead on monday, two days after she entered the jail in texas. this committal justice system is what's creating and perpetuating the danger the poverty and the right to promise that just can never be humane or saved because jail facilities are actually cages and cages can provide mental health care. with bill reform and printout the version and affordable housing, with confident resources and organizations who actually know how to heal our communities and help them thrive, you can invest in community and invest in alternatives to this gel. otherwise you're going to perpetuate white supremacy and poverty and danger that you're purporting to care about. show us that you care. thank you. >> thank you. i'm going to call the remaining speaker cards i have. >> i. hi. i'm a retired myth. i didn't san francisco 40

years. this morning i was reading the san quentin news and came across this paragraph from the new york times study. it is a measure of the deep disparities that continue to afflict black man disparities after recent spate of killings by the police. the times reported perhaps the starkest description of the situation is this. more than one out of every six black men who today should be between 25 and 40 years old have disappeared from daily life. well, we want them back. it's not just african american men, latinos, youth, trans people, people with mental owners, parents make between 40 and 59% of the jails and whose families and children are traumatized. in addition to their own, being in jail. people are homeless, people with substance abuse with issues. i'm a nurse so i see things from a standpoint of what is the well-being and the

well-being is the only way is to get people out of jail and into the communities. many people have brought up the alternatives, supportive housing, caregroup open transitional housing, mental treatment that focuses on the abuse and trauma that people have had to deal with probably all their lives. in addition to being in jail. inpatient and outpatient treatment reuniting families, substance abuse treatment, education, do you know about is in university project and others recidivism has gone down precipitously with education in outpatient in the community alternatives. texas, actually, has decided to focus on mental health issues and substance abuse and that eight times lower recidivism than people who are not in these programs. >> good afternoon. my name is

katya -- under with all of us ordered and legal services with children. we are daily correspondence with incarcerated people and formerly incarcerated people i can tell you these mothers, fathers, sons and daughters they face unimaginable barriers to entry in the chance of starting over means a meaningful chance to good housing, good education, good healthcare. things that as discussed are a most impossible for the rest of us. really impossible for this extremely vulnerable population. it makes a pretty simple in reducing resident means reentry services like those we talked about pretrial diversion, and not a new jail. so, please, that many family suffering at the hands of our criminal justice system. don't build more case. let's bring people home, instead. thank you.

>> hello. my name is kevin -- intern with legal services for prisoners with children. so, there's been a lot of talk today and a lot of numbers thrown about about production of the teachers future jail population but the fact is regardless of what the most accurate estimate is, if you build a new jail it will get filled. by building a new jail you effectively kill the political pressure to find alternatives. whereas, if you don't build it you give the government an incentive to reduce the jail population. they will find a way to free people if only out of necessity. so, i like to cite one of the examples of where the pressure has went. we see weasley last week new york finally announce that due to their overburdened court system they are going to the releasing many bogus offenders regardless of their ability to pay. the debut referring of 18 million [inaudible] to pale up to 3000

low-risk event these are people being detained not based on the risk they pose to the community but rather based on the fact that they are poor and they can't pay dell. there is a high six race right in queens with the program began about six years ago he 7% of dependence return to complete requirement. this is following many other cities that already begun to do this. we see in cities in kentucky and oregon the bar started moving away from her alliance on money bail. this keeps people from being stuck in jail and losing access to work, school, and family. things which further destabilize people and encourage them to recidivism good i guess what i'm saying, there's so many alternatives that people have opposed to you today and i think they could go on and on and on about the good bike he said at the beginning of this meeting, is a really

exciting opportunity. we shall be excited about. to think we got jails would work there be is 0% resume that's clearly not the case that the really exciting opportunity by the alternatives really urge you to take. thank you. >> from the please standpoint, the criminal justice system the offense [inaudible]. even capital punishment, like in singapore this too much personal sacrifice. [inaudible]. we'll make some sacrifice. [inaudible] for some

individuals they cannot [inaudible] i know we should

struggle for true freedom [inaudible] >> thank you. >> hello. thank you for giving me this opportunity to speak. is i to remind everyone that we are in a stark amount. are in a stark amount. historical mo there was a time when peop would debate whether or not it would be suitable to abolish institution of slavery. today at that time were as

confined to the target people talk about more humane [inaudible] to that response oscar wilde in his book how should the worst slaveowners were those that were kind to their slaves. when were talking about the creation of the mental health gel facilities in the context of mass incarceration in the context of 1.5 million black men in the context of the mass imprisonment enslavement of black people by another name, we should remember what i just talked about the mental health of people in joe's, would talk about legitimacy to a system of slavery. so, thank you >> thank you. see no further public comment i would request the close button, and at this time on his hearing. >> would you like to table or

continue- >> i was going to make >> okay. no more public comment of the comment is now closed. >>[gavel] >> thank you chairman yee bawsca offer the floor to committee members to make comments and there'll be making a motion. motion to continue the item. >> again, thank you supervisor yee for allowing us to hold this hearing. today. it was definitely very informative. clearly, a lot of very passionate people who have been actively engaged in trying to support moving toward more alternatives. i truly appreciate working with supervisor kim on this issue. it's a really important issue to me in making sure that our smart about how we address this issue in the future. i just

still have not been given anything to indicate there are just really a need to just focus on the plan that the city is bringing before us. the plan to just build a jail. as far as i'm concerned it's not sufficient. i think that i know there's been time invested. i know there's been money invested, but just because the been time and money invested, doesn't mean we have to move forward. ultimately, we have to make sure that we are thinking about the future, with thing about the actual population that we want to serve and how we can better serve them so that we can really work toward a zero recidivism rate. i know that one of the challenges that i'm experiencing is unfortunately, growing up in the city, a lot of my friends and family members were locked up good some of them are now getting out of jail looking for

employment opportunity, and it not necessarily gotten a lot of support for educational opportunities, employment opportunities, while they were incarcerated. they don't want to go back to the life that they once had. when we were young. they want to work. they want to get -- be a productive member of society but when you don't give them the tools, then you don't provide them with the support, then what happens is oftentimes sadly, people go back to what they know how to do. i don't want to see that happen. i don't want this either go in the first place, which means we have a lot of work to do in the city to make sure that the programs which we have a lot of in san francisco that are getting a significant amount of money to provide support to young people early on that they are doing their job so that we don't see our young people headed to the prison system early in the first place. sadly, this is a

cycle and it's been-this is a problem in our city and has been a cycle, reports, in my family. i want to see the cycle broken. i want to see lives changed and i want to make sure that we are smart and responsible about how we look at rebuilding a [inaudible] and i don't think building a standalone jill is the right approach. i think we had to think about again, the population. we have to think about trying to make sure that we do this right number so that we can do a better job and this is just, like i said, it's not the way. i will continue to work with the department, continue to explore alternatives. one of the alternatives that i think we should look at, this place is called the hall of justice. if we want to create a real hall of justice, and we want to look at a way in which we can completely rebuild this hall of

justice so that this hall of justice does not only supports the people who work in this building supports the support systems, but also the people who await trial or the people who are waiting for pretrial diversion, were all the other alternative programs that we ought. so, i think we need to look at building a program that supports the population that we are here to serve. i definitely want to continue the conversation and exploring alternatives, continue the conversation in making sure that we prepared a better plan. this is just not a great plan and i do think we need to really really explore alternatives that make sense for the future of our city and that really reflect our values as a city. >> so, that may wrap up my thoughts. first of all, i want to thank supervisor kim and

president greed for bringing this to this committee for a hearing. i think there is a lot of different perspectives here and different solutions and so forth. first of all as they mentioned already, the surest apartment has been done a better job in a lot of places in regards to inmates and trying to have programs that are helping inmates adjust when they do come back. my first exposure of course, was on the school board i went to visit san bruno and to sports the five keys charter in which the district charter and i think that these issues are very complex. this many issues discussed today. there is the need, whether we do need

additional space, bed space, to renovate the jails or not, there's issues of why people are getting into these situations. is it really fair or not there quacks these are issues, at least in my circle, have been in discussion for five decades. or more. one of the things i've dedicated my life to is the prevention and many people come up here and having been in that situation where we're talking about well if we work with youngsters at an early age in which they also have similar opportunities whether in preschool or in the school district, where k-12, this is where i would've to put more resources and as my colleagues know, i've been fighting for that to make sure that folks do have an

opportunity to send their kids to preschool so that they don't slip right when they get into kindergarten. so, there's many ways to look at this and i'm really happy that i had the opportunity to hear additional perspectives on this. it's opened up my thinking a little bit. i'm still open to how i want to approach this particular issue. so, again, i want to thank my colleagues on this committee for bringing this hearing. thank you very much. >> thank you chairman yee. actually, i just at the moment to note all three of us used to run these programs youth advocacy work served on the board of supervisors and i think all of us actually have visited either county jail or juvenile justice to visit a number of our youth program. so, i think were all intimately

aware of a lot of the experience associated with it. i just wanted take a moment to thank and acknowledge the leadership of pres. reid on this issue. it's been a real pleasure working with you and your office. connor johnson, as we look at really not either just rebuilding of jail or expanding the job however you want to look at it but we thinking and reimagining the system. we are at this point in this country and actually even this morning, speaker weiner announced that he wants to look at prison and criminal justice reform. president obama: the first sitting president ever to visit a federal prison and to call into question whether these policies are still working. san francisco can be behind. we've always been ahead on these discussions that we should continue to keep up with what is happening throughout the country. state legislatures throughout the country even red

states, are re-examining our mass incarceration system and questioned whether it keeps our community safer. whether it's with the taxpayer expenses, whether were getting the results and outcomes we had hoped for in the 80s and 90s when we really begin down this kind of downward trend of mass incarceration. it's actually a very very exciting conversation that i will make sure san francisco is ahead, that were not just looking up at forgery because a year or two year ago the capital committee of the city decided this is what we should be doing. we have not done it yet. it many opportunities to really expand the conversation. i know the controller's office and others have suggested we convene a committee of these very various departments and committee stakeholders so were looking at every possible alternative as president breed mentioned it recently great ideas presented by the public defender's office, the district attorney, department of public health, adult probation,. we have to look at examining bill reform. is a money-based bell system

really the future of our criminal justice system? should we look at increasing our electronic monitoring quacks do we look at the capacity of our pretrial diversion program under our sheriffs department? and really look at the data. our jail population to kind 35% while the city population increase. so, is it about statement to say that the city continues to go will need more jail beds? the current data doesn't actually demonstrate that. so i think this is an important conversation get under that san francisco is part of it. i really viewed this point in time as an opportunity. we have such an opportunity to really be examined the system and really think about where these dollars are best spent etc. million dollars is nothing to cop at. we need to make sure investing it back wisely because were making a commitment as a policy body tuesday were making the city as safe as it can be. let's make sure when we put those dollars and are actually committed to our promise in our commitments. so, i want to they

call that a part of the team to present today. very thoughtful presentation. i look forward to working with everyone. also, all their committee staplers that of accident at all involved in this issue for years been working on this hearing in of itself i believe for the last six months compiling all the data and statistics and stories. to put together. i look forward to the continued work with pres. reid's office, and so gauche and my own the committee? >> >> on makeup motion to continue that of >> i will second that should do know objective than the motion passes >>[gavel] >>" is there anything else on the agenda? >> no further business >> than the meeting is adjourned. >>[gavel]