great progress towards lower fees and galliard is doing more thingwise the portfolio and trying to negotiate to futher bring it down >> maybe the context if i put it inperspective to pay a manager [inaudible] to earn 128 basis points in return is a big chunk >> the the fird quarter net rate is 1.3, so that is after the 38 basis point and hear your point that is a large percentage and that is a function of the low returning requirement and the nature of the beast currently. that is pretty industry-that is actually a good absolute return for a very low risk invesment, cash is a basically zero, the manager gets 23 percent of the return

>> that includes the money to the insurance providers so between 20-25 basis point not going the manager and galliard gets a fee and there is subadvisors because that is the goal of the stable value fund to have more manager diversification. >> i like to make is simple so the laman can understand this, are you talking about the wrap? can you expand what the wrap is >> the wrap is participant directed withdrawal if the market to book is below 100 they get 100 and as the case now 99.7 percent of book to market, if everyone of the participants said they want their money that insurance will kick in and have toprovide that. >> that is very very unlikely, but tell me what is the wrap fee? >> betweeb 20 and 25 basis

points. there are currently 7 under lying wrap providers so there are different neshated fees, prudential and new york life >> the view is the 20 basis points is a legitimate, fair fee to pay and necessary for the participants? >> yes, to have the book value protection >> we look at this with a critical eye, any managers we should be aware of in terms of underperforming or consider to replacing in the future? that can incompass performs and key people leaving. which ones would you like- >> of course part of the watch list is highlight from a qualitative and quantitative perspective where we focus and have a higher alert. rustle

investment is managing the glide path, they had a ownership announcement so that is on page 5. the other ones we don't have concerns from the qualitative perspective thrmpt are a couple that are flagged for performance and that is low price stock funds and that has a underperformed the last 3 years relative to peers. that fund is unique with 35 percent outside the u.s. but the benchmark is 100 percent oaf the u.s. there is also about 9 percent in cash and in the rising market that is a negative to performance as will. of all that is the highest alert but we are comfort now but are watch tg closely. >> one of the speakers brought it up, should interest rates rise and they must, we had the

one fund to choose-there are 2 chooses, one, stable value and the bond fund. >> and the [inaudible] brokerage. the retirement fund, is that what you mean? >> no the self directed brokerage fund >> the 20 investment vehicles members have the chance to choose from, stable value and the bond fund? >> correct. >> would you consider a shorter 1? >> we did in the june deferred comp committee meeting, we evaluated stable income which is short duration. the

committee agreed to continue and stay with stable value, but it is something we are constantly evaluating because of the cost of stable value. >> i think that makes sense going forward. thank you for your answers i appreciate it very much. thank you >> any other comments or questions on this item? >> just one quick observation about stable value, we spent a lot of time talking about stable value and whether it is good fit for deferred comp and the one thing we decided on is people in stable value care about one thing and one thing only and it is capital preservation and they understand that they're herning a very low return at this time but the majority of participants are stable value. it is because they care about nothing more than capital

preservation. we spent a lot of time thinging about that and looked at a lot of different providers and fees and think the decision that we made was we went with who we thought was the best provide frr stable value and increase the book valuef thoassets which was a issue for us. it isn't a perfect solution, i think for the people in stable value it is very good solution and something we talk about every time we have a deferred comp meeting. what are the fees and book value and what is the return and why is it so low and where is it going. it is the natcher of that one fund. >> first off, thank you-pages 24 and 25, thank you for

putting that breakdown. it is step that we need to monitor. [inaudible] invest in a reasonable cost so we are monitoring fees. the issue of stable value, the number now is 1.3 net of fees based on comments made and e-mails received, statements are made that money marketerize a better operation or offering. do you bow what money markets are offering? 0 or.1. meaning 001. some of the money market funds are insured like our wrap recovered stable value fund, do they pay for that? >> i don't know of a money market >> someone is paying, you just don't see it. it is insured and paid so think the cost is 7

basis point but it is paid. what is a member left with? 1.3 may or may not look like a good return for those risk adverse, it is good. i would like people to invest more but that is a individuals choice. as for adding another market fund, we try today reduce the number of offering to increase participation. there is a lot of studies when there are too many choices people do not invest. it is a behavior thing. as well as trying to reduce cost meaning the net fees. we have been trying to approve the whole program for everybody, one to get participation up and making sure members don't pay fees that do not add value for them. >> i think this is worth pursuing because the stable value fund is the largest holding so think it is worth

considering. you talk about the fees and the more fund the more difficult the decision is and the more you say i don't know which to invest in but there are just 2 choices for bonds. stable value or the bond fund. this came up a long time ago. fdic is 250 thousand dollars mptd it is by participant so let's say we were to buy cd's and role them over, it isn't just you are limited with 25 othousand, it is 250 per participant. this came up a long time ago and that is my recollection. you would get the fdi insurance if lets say you bought certificates of deposit and role them over you have the insurance because eerfben though it is a large dollar amount t is per participant, if

you will. no individual would have 250 thousand dollars on average in a rolled over cd or staggered set of certificates of deposit in a new fund. i want to put that on the table in terms of dealing with low rates of return on bonds and cd's mpt if you have short term money you get zero, buy a 5 year cd which is a cheers and applausee risk to the stable value fund that you can dpet numbers that are biggerinate of the 1.3 percent we are talking about here. i was checking the 5 percent cd or 2 percent issue, if you want to allocate 100 million in a staggered cd account with a 4 or 5 or 6, 7, 8 year mu churty you would get a bigger return. my

recollection that based on the participants, it is based on that so we would have the insurance which'd would totally oviate the need for wrappers. i see the executive director and our dc manager knauding on that, is that your understanding as well? >> there are some participants that have more than 250 thousand invested. >> i understand it is 250 thousand average, we will look into it it see if that is something that makes sense. >> thank you very much. >> okay. let's take public comment. at this time a member of the public can comment on

this item. no comment? claire, nothing? public comment is closed at this time. thank you. this is a discussion item. mr. clerk can you call the next item? >> item 11, discussion item sfdcp manager report. >> thank you. commissioner jouz before you the monthly report. i'm not sure there is a lot extrahere that we would want to talk about so happy to answer questions, but did want to point out that the 2015 fund is migrating into the retirement fund at the end of september i believe, is that correct? >> which one? >> into the retirement fund because the idea being if you have a target date fund for 2015 you retire in 2015 and it

is redundant to the retirement fund and investment is the same >> what is the retirement ? >> there is a retirement fund that has allocation for those in retirement. >> anyone else? >> this report prepared by predential and there are a couple pieces of information and work with them to improve the report >> i talk today commissioner driscoll and in the process oaf trying to obtain that information and put it in reports going forward. >> thank you. >> any other discussion? let's open up to public cam unt. seeing no public comment, it is closed. mr. clerk call the next item >> item 12, discussion item, review of dem graphic

experience study for july 1, 20 09-2014. >> [inaudible] good afternoon commissioners. dem ographic asemption, using a evaluation is a poncht part to measure how much money to put aside to pay for the promised benefits, rates of retirement, disability, moore taelt, what percent of members are married, how many have a domestic partner, job bromotion kwr marriage increase, [inaudible] how large we expect those benefits to be and how long we expect to pay those benefits. [inaudible] the last study present today the board in

2010. i called out the dem ographic assumption because the recommended moore taelt changes have the largest impact on cost, larger than any of the other changes put together. i would like the note that i showed stats on a survey done by the center of retirement research that 22 of 150 national public systems use generational mooretalities projection and improvement and that is from a 2013 database so those stats are already out of date. i would like to welcome bill halmark and an harper, they are here today to present the demo graphic study. >> thank you. [inaudible]

this is once every 5 year study. the full report has been proited provided to you. the powerpoint is trying to hit key elements because there is a lot of data and analysis so want >> student focus your attention where there are significant changes. it is useful with the 5 year cycle, these assumptions we recommend are used for the 2015-19 assumptions. each year we bring a eview of there economic assumptions prois and wage inflation and expected return, but this is getting at all the other assumptions. we are not asking for board

decisions today, this sadis cushion item. we would like to get ideas from you about additional information you would like to see or need in order to make a decision and a chance to answer any questions you have as we go through this. our key findings, the big one that genet rr eluded to is mooretalities is faster than wealtyed in prior asumtions so the recommended changes on mooretality have the most significant impact. we also saw higher retirement rates for certain members, lower salary increases, which also tied into colis for [inaudible] safety members than we expected, but the big impact again is the moretality chaipgs and because of how that has come out in the

study by the society of acwares, we recommend the cost impact be phased in over something like a 5 year period. >> members can you tell me what old safety numbers are? >> they were police and fire fighters hired before 1976. >> okay, and- >> their cost of lisking adjustments for tied to pay increases from the last position they held and all the newer members their cost of living adjustment, their basic cost of living adjustment is 2 percent >> they get half of the dollar value or half the percentage of pay increases for active police

and fire fighters. >> you retirement rates are higher for longer service members, do you mean the rate that people are retiring more. >> more people are retiring than we expected sooner. >> do you have a explanation? >> we have some, we'll get fl to that-we have details on retirement rates and it is easier to see what is going on there. there is a broader issue about the time period of this study where we did see not just in year system but across other systems higher retirement rates >> we took into account during this period all were layoffs. there were layoffs across it city those this goes back 5 years, but at the same time they normized that and have

recommend aishzs that folks who have lodger service with the city are retireering sooner than we thought they would. we thought having put in a longer career worked longer and those were the adjustments we recommended. how to explain that, i don't know. you would think, but-- >> i wouldn't think that. >> the goal is when we moved the highest age factor to 62, the intent is to encourage people to stay until they achieved the highest age factor or maxed out. 62. it used to be 60 where you maxed out and they put the incentive if you work to 62 you get 2.3 percent for every year of service to encourage folk tooz achieve that age or try and get the

longer service. the dem ographics show that isn't successful inlonger service folks that they are leaving sooner than we anticipated >> may i ask a definition? when you say moretality improved faster than expected you say people are dying sooner? living longer, okay. why don't you say that, living longer? >> go ahead. >> so, that is a great segue here. it will fit right into it. the assumption overlaps 20 years was that moretality rates would decline by about.9 percent a year. in fact they have declined by 2.4 percent. these are broad national numbers, these are not your numbers, but in fact our

studies finding something very similar to you. >>.9 percent or.9 years? >> we set a probability that you will die at each age, that probability has been declining -was expected to decline at a rate of.9 percent per wreer, but over the twen year period it declined at 2.4 percent per year. we have people living longer and collecting pension benefits longer. the major work on this was published in november of 20 twaen by certify of actuaries creating a new moretality table used in the private sector, it doesn't have public sector data in it and not required to be used in the

public sector and new moretality improvalment projection scales so we'll get into how that study influences and applies here. pension plans across the country are effected by this. just to set that broader context, we have a graph from the staff of acuitary study where they looked at how it improvement is taking place over the last century. the graph starts assuming you have 100 thousand people born and shows the projection of how many would still be alive at various ages until somewhere around 105. they assume they have all died. you can see that the initial improvements in the early parts of the 1900's were in the younger ages and that

significantly improved moretality, but what happened more recently is you are seeing that curve-it is squaring the curve. we get more people living into their 70's, 80's and now 90's. it isn't extending out the ultimate lifetime all that much. some you can see some movement from like age 100 to 10 5 but not a lot. the big change is we get a lot more people living in to their 80 and 90 which effects pension plans because we pay a lot more benefits out those additional years. these are aggregate figures and there are a lot of variations by income level and geography and other factors but these are the

aggregate national figures. so in our analysis for your plan, we developed separate rates for males and females and separate rates for 3 classes. people collecting benefits, disabled and everyone who is not collecting a benefit right now. we use similar processes for each group because it is somewhat complex and there is a lot of stuff going on chblt we want to illustrate the process for hethy annuitant that is the most impactful. we focus on that. you can get the same information out of the report for the other groups. there are 2 basic steps we use to put toort p together our recommendation, the first is to develop a base stable. it represents the rates or

probabilities at the time of it stud squae the second step is apply a projection scale for how we think those rates will change going into the future. in developing the base table, we take a standard published table and compare it to your actual experience. in this case for the most part, we chose to use cal pers because it represents public employees so it is presumed to be more similar to you as compare d to other table s. we weighted the experience by benefit amount and this is pornl because as a pension plan we are not concern about the number of people who dies or continue wliv libing

about the continuation of the payment of pension benefits and there has been study after study showing that the people who receive the higher pension benefits tend to live longer. we need to take that into account to estimate the liabilities. in applying the projection scale, we'll go into this in a few slides here. historically what we have done is called a, static projection where we project improvements for a certain number of years, say 20 years and apply the rates to everyone. we recommend you go to something different called a generational table where we have a separate table for each year of birth that incorporates those improvements as they go along and we'll talk about why we are recommend that and why we think it is a better approach.

first, in developing the base table-we take the standard published table, in this case i show cam pers as the purple line here and compare it to your data and if your moretality raetsd are higher we move the table up and lower we move the table down. we are not moving rates at individual ages because you don't have enough experience to have information with those ages but you is do experience to assess and adjust the table as a whole. what we take from the cal pers table is the pattern of how the moretality rates change from age to age. >> can you define [inaudible] >> ham, stands for healthy annuitant moretality. >> what does that mean? >> it meanatize is the

moretality we apply for healthy annuitant in the system so people receiving benefits and not disabled. >> healthy means non disabled? >> yes. >> we are not doing a health squeening on the individual, we just categorize whether they receive a disability pension or not >> it is legitimate clarification. thank you >> yes. here is a table summarizing the results. the top table is for male jzs and the bottom for females. i want to focus on the bottom line in each table that total because as i said, there isn't enough data in each age grouping to

set assumption by age grouping. the first column shows the number of exposures. that is the number of people times the number of years that they were in the data, whether they continued living or they died. the second column looks how many of those people died and the third column is under the current assumption how pleny did we expect to die. you can see those comparisons there. then the next section is the section that we really focused on, which is to weight those number pz based on the benefits that each individual was receiving. we just multiplied them by their monthly benefit amount. we are just looking essentially at monthly benefits that ceased or continued. we

first look at the exposures, the actual, the current and the recommended. the place the decision is made in the actual to expected ratio where we decide the actual number by the expected either the current or recommended. what we want is for that to be 100 percent. we want the actual number of benefit payments that cease to equal what we expected. under the current assumption, for males it was 89 percent so moving to the recommended assumption is moved to 100 percent. if it is 89 percent, that means that we are going to be experiencing losses in the system and expecting people to die faster than they actually are. the bottom has the same

analysis for females. the current assumption is 93 percent. we adjusted that assumption by applying a straight factor to the cal pers healthy annuitant helthsy female table to make it 100 percent. you can see for the individual age groupings, it goes above and below 100 percent. they actually all average out. >> [inaudible] the question is how many people total are we paying out to? >> over the 5 year period for the males there were about 51 thousand exposures, so about 10 thousand per year. >> per year, okay. so per year we pay 20 thousand people?

>> round numbers in the non disability category. >> how about disability included? >> i think it is 5 thousand. [inaudible] >> this includes continuous [inaudible] >> my recollection is 25 thousand retire and 5 thousand continuance being the spouns of domestic partner of a city employee.

>> continuous or [inaudible] >> about 3 thousand continuous and about 1400 disabled retireees. >> 1400 miscellaneous. that sounded low. >> what about total figure? >> number of pension checks we cut? >> disabled? >> 2600 is what we have from last year. >> total disability pensions paid? >> yes >> both together is 23 thousand if you take out the disabled? >> right. . >> around. >> yes. >> 23 thousand hams. >> [inaudible]

>> 3800 as of the 2014 [inaudible] >> may i ask a couple questions about the chart? i got lost along the way. if i look at the the age of 50-59 for males what is the exposure? >> the number of people for each year in that age band so we cover 5 years, so you are averaging a little over a thousand people in each year who are between age 50-59. >> if you were 57 in year one you are in that number until you moved into the 60 band and count ed for the remaining 3 years. every year they take a snap shot of 3 years. every year they take a snap shot of

muany helty annuitants are in the age band and looking at that year after year after year. there is a movement but these are bands of 10, you can stay in one for the entire period but also move from one band to another. >> no one less than age 50? >> because they are not eligible to retired. >> if you are a ham you can't retire until age 50. if you are a disabled annuitant you can retire regardless of age if you are safety and-that is why these start to miscellaneous showing 50 is the minimum age for retirement. >> what about if wow are disabled and not fire or police? >>io need 10 years of service regardless of age.

>> 5610, that is the number of pay checks-it is 5 year sample so if you take that number and divide it by 5 that is your head count on average? >> roughly between age 50-59 >> during the 5 wreer period you lost 48 people? >> correct, you expected to lose 25 but lost more? >> yes >> the exposure is the 5 year total of the pension checks? >> ya. when you get to the exposures that are benefit weighted it is those 56 00 multiplied by the monthly benefit amount. >> okay. >> the actual is those 48 multiplied by their benefit amount. >> one last question, can

you-can somebody in safety retire in the first 10 years and still be eligible? >> the safety disability provides you coverage from day one. if you are injured in the course of duty you can retire with disability pension after being a police or fire fighter for one day. there is no minimum service requirements. >> what about [inaudible] >> safety again is age 50 for service pension and need at least 5 years of service and age 50. on the hand side of their division it is still 50. >> you have one sheet that says that? all these questions? >> [inaudible] we have about 5 sheets that will summarize it but not on one sheet otherwise you can't read it. actually if you go to the annual

evaluation, this is a paid political announcement, if you look that evaluation there is whole section that defines each tier of benefits appendix c. that is more than one page. i will warn you, it is more than one page. >> it is quite a bit more than one page. >> quite a bit more. >> there is a briefer summary in the annual report. >> that is true. >> the actual number is 149480, that is multiply ied y by the payments? >> the 48 is multiplied by the monthly benefit amount >> over the 5 year period 149, 480 in benefits is what went

away? >> right. out of 24.6 million. >> okay, thank you very much. >> there is a dollar sign? >> ya, you can put a dollar sign. >> any other discussions or questions for staff? we'll go to public comment at this time. okay, come on. wishful thinking, sorry. >> so, the slide shows the comparison of the actual probability of death at each of the sample ages between the current assumption and the recommended. this is as of-for the recommended, the study period is 2011 so we are saying

these are approximations of the rates in 2011 before we look at any projections of improvement beyond that. then, the next step is to look at what do we assume for projection and moretality. the society of acuary waged presenceples of looking at experience and assumption over a transition period. they selected as their best estimate that the ultimate rate would be a 1 percent per year improvement up until age 85, it grades down after that and they would transition from 2007 to 2027. the argument

they gave is when you look at the data, there is a generation that as of 2007 was about 70 years old that had significantly better moretality improvement than the generation before or after it. they wanted the 20 year grade down so those 70-year old s would be 90 and phased out of the system before you got to the ultimate rate. there are significant debated among acuaries whether the parameters or praept or other parameters are appropriate and that debate continues. the society did give us a tool so that you can modify the parameters and develop different projection scales. we have prepared 3

options all of which we believe are reasonable. fr the board to consider. the first option is the societies recommendation, it is called the mp 2014 scale. they consider it their best estimate. then we considered a couple other combinations, first changing the convergence period because much of the moretality improvement fades out at older ages and so rather than going to age 90, you could phase out to 85 or to 80. those are options 2 and 3. the ultimate rate we looked at social security data and historical rates of improvement for ages 65 and up have been around.8. social security assumption in the 2014 trustees

report is.8 8 as the ultimate rate of improvement. options 2 and 3 are built around social security data with lower rates of improvement and the faster convergence. option 3 is similar to projection scale developed by another large national acwarial firm fl the privement sector clinets and their auditors agreed it was a reasonable scale for last years disclosures. we think this brackets the range of reasonable projection scales that could be considered. just to give you a little bit of flavor, i won't go into a whole lot of detail. you can look at

this at any age you want but this is showing moretality improverment rate at age 70. the top is male and the bottom female. the black line lines historical daty data and the 3 colored lineerize the 3 optional scales of how to carry it forward from the current rate of improvement represent by theened of the black line to get to the ultimate rate of improvement and that is compare ed to other scales. we can do a lot more on that if you want but i suspect i have more interest in moretality improvement than any of the board members. the last piece i wanted to talk about with moretality is this generational versus static approach. in the static approach we apply one set of rates to everyone as

opposed to looking at it by year of birth. the recommendation for best practice is generational for the last 10 or 15 years. we as acuaryies have been slow to adopt it because there had been administrative complications, the systems were not prepared to handle the complication initially. there are administrative complications but we have gradually figured out how to overcome those. we are recommending the generational approach as being more accurate. the static approach is intended to be a simplified estimate of the same number you get from a generational approach and the way it works is illustrated in this box to the right where we look at the probability of death for someone age 80. if we were doing a static approach, we might say on a

weighted average we need to look 20 years forward and so we look 20 years forward to someone born in 195 fiver 5 and they turn 80 in 20 wreer jz select the rate from that point and apply it to everyone regardless of when. the generational takes our best estimate at each age. >> [inaudible] >> the static, yes. what it tends to do is for your current retireee it says they will live longer than we expect them to live and the younger people die sooner than we expect and we hope those things balance out. the generation is adjusting for those age differences. with

that, i'm done with moretality until we come back to cost implications. i'll let ann run through other assumptions >> as bill stated earlier in the presentation, the retirement experience that we are seeing is-there is a lot more retirements than expected based on the current assumptions we have. we set separate assumptions for each group listed there in the presentation and our current assumptionerize not only age based but service base and what we recommend now is splitting the service groups into 3 different service groups instead of 3 as stated in the presentation. we see increased retirements for members who have longer service with the system and we are seeing only mynor changes for people with

lower service. these graphs show the retirement experience for the miscellaneous group for members with 20s-29 wreers sperns on the e left side and 30 or more on the right side. i want to walk you through the process that we go through when we review the assumptions and look at the experience. what we do is we take and compare what we are actually seeing in retirements to what we expected to see based on the currents asimptions and if there is a difference see if a change should be considered. helping make that decision we use the confidence interval around the rate during the experience study period. jen real we generally we propose changing or modifying if the current assumption falled outside the confidence interval range. there are other things we

consider. we consider the experience not just in this study but preechbious studies. we look at what we may know about the near future in terms of experience and we also look at special circumstances or events that took place during the experience study period. for the miscellaneous graph for 20-29 years of suvs, the gray bars are the confidence intervals and in the middle is the rate of retirement. the green line represents our recommended assumption after we analyzed the experience. for both groups we are seeing that rates are generally high er for

ages over 60 and are recommending changing the assumption as such. >> can go back and explain to me the graph, age 69 for 20 hrf 29 years of service? >> age 69 that is members age 69 and they're retired with 20 percent of the people who are eligible to retire did retire. that is the block box is 20 percent. our current assumption is the red line and the current assumption now is 20 percent that for that same age so it is in line with the assumpson. we try to smooth our recommendation as well and look at one specific age >> if you have 20-29 years of service and age 69, there is 20

percent-20 percent of those people will retire? >> in the period of the last 5 years, yes >> at age 69 >> at age 69 >> the confidence interval is-you have 9 percent cfds betwone 11 and 27 percent? >> yes >> the think about the cfsds intervals is that 20 percent was 1 out of 5, the confidence intervals high because we-if you have one more retirement it goes to 40 percent. if that is 20 out of 100 then the confidence interval is much smaller because if you add one more retirement it doesn't have as big effect on the rate >> because you is a smaller head count that year? >> yes >> the band of the crfds interval, there is less data

available >> age 69, why increase it from 20 to 30 percent? >> it is based on the speens we see from age 65, 66 and 67, that whole group is on average a higher rate so it is more smooth pattern. >> okay. thank you. >> there is no hypothesis we could come up with why 69 year olds would have such a lower rate of retirement than 68 year and 6 7 and 66 year olds. >> this next slide is showing the retirement fraets the police and fire groups. for the police and fire people between 25-29 years of experience during the experience study period. what we are seeing here with the police group is the rates were

significantly higher than expected. the cofds intervalerize the plouter bar squz much higher than the red lines. however, during this experience study period, there was a special event and that is the [inaudible] program sun seted and there is no longer availability for people to be members in [inaudible] what we saw was a [inaudible] in the last year [inaudible] was available to people and that was drifening driving up the retirement rates. the date they enter drop in terms of the study-you see that special events spike the retirement rate so taking that into consideration we recommend a increase in rates but not recommending a increase all the way tupe the confidence

intervals because we don't believe the past experience is a indicator of what will happen into the future due to the drop sun setting in tis time >> what this graph is saying is [inaudible] if you took out drop you are probably-it is going to drop back down? >> we are not saying the retirement rates will drop after drop, but we say it won't increase as much as you are saying during that period. there were some other increases in retirements as well for the police that the fire wasn't seeing because when you look at the fire retirement rates the experience is right in line with the current and the recommended assumption are the same line in this case. the green line represents grown and

green and red. we don't recommend change to the fire assumption- >> the rate was all most 80 percent for police? >> for people ages 62-64. you have see the confidence interval go-there isn't a lot of people in there. >> right. this is similar experience that you see here in the slides with the police and fire group jz these are for people with 30 or more years of service. you see the same type of thing with the police group and that driven by the drop program. we don't want to change up to what we experienced in the last 5 wreers but recommend a increase based on the other retirement experience and you are also seeing more increases in the fire with people that have 30 or more years of service. the service band with 30 or more

years of service, this is when the safety members may hit the benefit cap which is 90 percent of salary if they are age 55 with 30 or years of service. in section 3 of the dem ographic experience report, there sh the same analysis for the other groups, for the [inaudible] and other police and fire groups with less service wree not showing, but if you are interested you can look in the report. we are just not recommending any major changes. moving to the merit and slry increases. merit

increases are the additional increase over and above wage inflation and we also set this assumption separate for the groups listed here. we recommend because of what we have seen in the experience in the last 5 years and reduction for miscellaneous and craft group and mynor changes for muni, police and fire. this graph is different. it kuzant have the confidence intervuls but shows the actual merit increase for the miscellaneous group by years of service. years of suvs is the bottom access and the vertical access shows percent increase. the blue line shows merit increase and the red line shows the current assumption which is above what the actual is so we show a shift downwards so the

proposed assumptionerize less and more in line with what we are seeing. what is important to note here is on the very last service piece, 20 plus years oaf service is ultimate assumption recommend a 0 percent merit after-20 years of service. basically people get wage inflation increase but after twen years we done see additional merit increases happening. the last dem ographic assumption that has a significant or material effect on the evaluation cost is the old safety cola. those are the cola's for the old safety charters that are not the basic 2 percent most of the other groups get. what we propose is decrease this assumption for each of these charter groups, but more importantly to make a

change in the structure of the assumption because we use a constntant percent but want to base it on a formula base assumption to be more consistent with the structure of the plan provision. when i say that i said that the-they don't receive 2 percent cola, their cola is based on is the active wage increases of the current active. for each retireee that increase is based on the last position they they held. for example, in the group where someone retired before 1975, their basic cola increase is half of a percent of what their active member counter part would receive in a wage increase. what we propose is that their cola would be

half of the total assumed wage increase. it is very similar for the other 2 charter groups where their colas are based on half the different increase of the active counter part salary increase. we are proposing a similar formula but adding a factor to account for the relationship for average benefit to the average salary. this slide shows the list of all the other assumptions we studied and what our recommendation are and don't want to go through this in detail, but if you have questions or refer to the report everything we studied is in the dem ographic experience study report. >> i don't know if i understand

one half of the wage increase versing one half of the dollar increase. >> if someone is a lieutenant and a active lutenent receives a 3 percent increase, if you retired [inaudible] you receive 1 and a half percent cola. if is a dollar amount you calculate what the dollar is and receive half the dollar amounts >> after 1975 what is it? >> it is dollar amount >> basically people who retired after 1975 on the old charters, they get a dollar increase regardless of what their benefit is so you all most have specific cola increases for each of the old safety people on a percentage basis.

>> it is 1976, isn't it? >> [inaudible] >> what we see is for the folk frz example have been retired for 20 wreer year and their base pension is 2 thousand dollars half the increase is 500 dollars which represents a significantly higher percentage of the underlying pension and over the years those have been compounding but what they found is our assumption of how rich these colas are is over stated so we are trying to fine tune them. the period measured where we have long periods of

no wage increases for active employees and that may be part of the reason why they didn't see the increase in the colas >> there were periods during the study period where there was no wage increase so there was no cola for these members which created a significant gain in evaluation. we didn't to just reflect based on the experience during the 5 year period so instead we created these formula based on the assumption about future wage increases and how to adjust those and apply them for these old safety groups. that is a lower cola based on our current set of assumptions. >> just to note, under the proposed assumption formula,

theimator increase is based on the assumption, it isn't based on hch >> the wage inflation assumption 3.75 and the ultimate varies dependent on the group. the wage inflation assumption is 3.75 percent right now but in the last 5 years we have changed it from 4 down to 3.75. >> got it. >> this slide summarizes the impact of the proposed assumption changes. there are 3 option frz moretality on the top and all the other assumptions are down at the bottom. if you look at the

other assumptions there is actually a reduction in the ac warial liability attributable to them and a reduction in the expected contribution rate attributable to them. all of the increase is really due to the proposed changes in moretality assumptions, which if you do option 1 it is all most 8 percent increase in the acwhael liability and 6 percent of pay increase in the contribution rate. >> that is a gigantic number. let's say the liability is 20 billion, 8 percent of 20 billion >> 1.8 billion >> 1.8 billion increase >> it is 1.5, 1.6 increase in liability >> i think that is big.

>> ya. >> [inaudible] increase in employer contribution for shared cont ributions at this point. that is why there is- >> that is wie we spent as much time on moretality >> that is why their continues to be debate over the adoption of these tables. >> that is why there is relevancy to this mpt some of the bncher may see seem this is blah blah blah but this is big impact on the fund >> woe shared this information and report with the city and continue to discuss the options that the consulting acware is recommending but yes, it is significant impact going forward for the next 5 years even if it was selected to phase those in over 5 years. >> so, slide 24 gives you a

little breakdown on the impacts because there is a couple things going on here in the impacts. one, is the experience we had since the last study so in the last 5 years what happened. the moretality improvement is significantly greater than expected and if we use the same approach than the prior study we increase the contribution 2.8 percent of pay just doing that. we changed from doing a counts weighted basis to benefits weighted because all the studies said that is a important thing to do with pension system because you want to know when the pension stopped being paid not when individuals stop being paid and

that added.8 percent to it. the other piece to it is what do you expect future improvements to be going forward and that's-dependent on the scale you get you get a different impact. those are where the pieces are and it is really this combination of catching up for the improvement than we expect ed for the last 5 year jz how you translate that going forward in the future. they are like 2 distinct pieces both with a significant impact going forward. >> if i look that chart, aupgds 1 is 2.5 percent, that is increase of contsbution rate? >> due to that projection scale. you need to add the 3.6, so the total is 6.1. they

match 6.1 on the previous page. it shows 6.1, 5.4 and 4.7 >> increase in the contribution rate is over the period that it is implemented? >> it is a 20 year amortization of the change. >> so, can we go back to the previous slide? the moretality option one, the way i read this if we implement moretality option one the contribution rate is 6.1 percent higher each year for the next 20 years because of the implementation of these new rates. >> each year for 20 >> let's say we implement this and the following year let's say the contribution rate is 20

percent- >> now it is shared >> it is shared so it-dependent on what threshold you cross it has a different effect on the city and employees >> are we talking about the compination of the employer? >> the term contribution rate goes up 6.1 percent. >> because the employee contribution rate is set it triggers cost sharing. in times past it was born by the city but now dependent on the plateau you hit it is shared by the employee. if the gross employer contribution rate was 23 percent, the impact of cost sharing could bring their percentage down to 20 percent but in this case the city is going to be paying the majority of the 6.1 or whatever the number is based on the options, but the employer will probably kick in additional money also.

>> let me go through just a couple more slides and then we'll come back. >> so, if we implemented moretality option 1 and combined contribution rate between employee and emplorer it goes up 6 .1 percent to 26.1? >> yes. now i'm showing on slide 25 the different options if you include all the other assumption changes we are making which brings down a little bit,.8 percent. it is 5.3 for option 1, 4.6 for option 2 and 3.9 for option 3. then we suggested because this is a significant change, and you're dealing with the experience for the last 5 years and reassessing how things

project forward you can phase this in over a 5 year period. it is also consistent with the way the california acwareial adrisery panel suggests you can deal with this . you can phase it up to 5 year jz not past your next experience study. here we look at the impacts by year compared to the total and so it would in fiscal year 2017 which is the first fiscal year it would effect it is 1.9, 1.6 or 1.4 but increase over the years. the advantage of doing that is we projected because of the invesment gains stored up and not recognized, we projected declining rates so

the increase phasing in matches up somewhat with the declining rates that we had projected as we recognized the assets. we have charts here showing what the projections would be with 5 years phases under options 1, 2 and 3. we have the models so we can show you other scenarios if you like. that is the end finally of the presentation. it is a significant change that we are suggesting resetting both the expectations going forward for moretality improvement squz what happened already. we understand the significance of that change. >> what do we select or

implement moretality option 1, 2 or 3, they all don't-how do i say this? the effect on the liability isn't the same for all 3 options is that correct? >> correct. >> so the moretality option 1 will have the greatest increase in the liability? >> ya. really the purpose of setting the assumption and setting that liability is to set the target you are trying to fund to so that you have a plan to pay the benefits. if you set it too high as you get experience your contribution rates go down and if you set it too low the contribution rate go up so you aim to get a

best estimate so that you have the target right in the future. >> knet r bet looking at the last part, city anticipates that without this change the emplorer contribution rate would have gone down to liss than 29.9, but with isthe change it goes from 22.8 to 22.9. we are on the downside of all these stored up investment gains. we have 5 state positive gain years that we are moving in at 20 percent and what we notified the city is this do 5 year budget planning and they rely on our projections and the last

projects showed there would be a more rapid decrease in employer contribution rate and with this proposed change it will continue to decrease but not decrease as dramatically and quickly as we originally projected and like i said t is the tune of 150 million dollar difference, which is significant to the city and to the the employees. the good news is we live laupger longer and that is where the good news ends. but we get pensions longer also, i guess that the other piece of the good news, but from our perspective we pay pensions longer. luckily we are well funded. >> commissioner driscoll. >> there is difference between generational and [inaudible] i focus on contribution rates, you may say the end result. it

is good people are living longer but there is impact about contributions. generational and static have different effects, cost. >> in theory when you set the static you are trying to estimate the impact of the generational so there wouldn't be an effect. in practice you don't match perfectly. i think the example we put in the presentation we used a rule of thumb to get static assumption and it didn't match exactly. the piece that happens with the static though is in 5 years when we do another study we have moved down this chart another 5 yire years so there is a an adjustment and hit you are expecting. with generational and 5 years we'll

do a studyfelt we are not expecting a hit, we may get a gain or loss, it can go either direction. >> i look at page 24 when you put down at the bottom here, the static method, the increase is 2.1 oppose today choices above options 1, 2 and 3? >> right, if we >> we have to choose one or the other, that is why i try to understand. your recommendation because it is best practice is generational? >> yes >> i will say to your point the ones who adopted generational in california are the ones just completed but there isn't a majority of plans who adopted the generational approach and the issue is do you want to expect a pleasant surprise at the end of 5 years because there is a like lihead

you hood you get oo gain or adjust every 5 years trying to get as close and that is the methodology. >> last week i was at the national association of state retirement conference and several systems spoke about changing moretality. every one said they were changing to generational >> my point is it is more conservative way to fund the liabilities. >> all 3 of the options we recommend are generational. that is the direction but not everyone has adopted it. i think on the corporate side just about all of them have. all the large plans for their accounting evaluations adopted

it. the public is going through now and some had it for some time. cal pers didn't adopt it because their evaluation system couldn't hantdal it so didn't know how to calulate it. organ had it since 2008 and washington is in the process of adopted it now. >> do the point on the bottom on page 24, they said if we stay with static instead of 2.5 percent that is 2.pun 1 percent. it is 40 basis points we are talking about. >> yes. >> generational versus static >> trying you are try-you are choosing one number and know it

is imperfect way but every 5 years we try to hone in on that number versus generational assumes yes, in moretality

>> yes >> there is reason why society and3 4 f1-there is research tha drove that number. i would say it isn't prudent to play for gains or losses. the second question is whether to go option 1, 2 or 3 which effects contribution. next question, do these projections count the supplemental cola issue? >> no, that is a issue that's will effect contribution frz the city and all most all active employees. in termoffs the other tables driven by our assumptions, that is based on life expectancy. when we adopt this are obliged to change this

as well >> the table will change every year rather than now when there is a change in economic assumption or demo graphic assumption. operationly we load them in the system so it isn't a issue but this is the life expectancies would change annually >> that will effect how much money you get. [inaudible] all those things are effected boy the table. that is where it effects the active and retired members. is the rule we must change at the same time? >> no the acware tells when the assumptions have changed and need to adopt new tables so this is a annual events, they change annually so the tables will all be redone annalially >> are we talking about fq 16,

17? >> we have the tables effective july 1, 2015 and these are available july 1, 2016. >> all this work focuses on a year from now because it effects the cities budge squt the members pay check. this is all discussions and decisions and a part of a series of decision that must be made >> the timing is february next year we vote on which to implement? >> we hope to bring back decision to the october board meeting and then that will give instructions to [inaudible] as to what assumption tooz wrus to run evaluation and you will be accepting the evaluation report in february. we will report to thitsy what the contribution rate for 16/17 will be after that discussion

>> the short story is february the is the decision date and until them we have time to chew on this? >> october is the month you have to decide what assumptions ciron uses to run the evaluation. they run the evaluation over november and december, present the result tooz the board in february traditionally and so it is too late then because then they would have to go back and rerun it. >> on the timing process on decision making, is this next budget, the 2 year budget-we do 2 year budget but the mayors office and board of supervisors have to do more work? >> they do a 5 year budget projection jz they have a rolling 2 year budget. we rin the second year of our 2 year budget but there are some departments in the firs year of their 2 year budget so there is

a overlap so every department doesn't have to be before the city every year >> the point is if this effects the contribution rate-one year we kdelayed a mupth and caused problemwise the city working on the budget plan so maybe we need to shoot for january. we have a way of kicking things back a month which normal for us but not good for the budget process of the city which we have a relationship with >> they are hopeful. this is the voice from the city. they would like this retirement board to have made their decision as to which of the options earlier rather than later. i told them october is when we present it and they said that is timing for them to revise their budget projections so a lot of folkerize watching this and we are hope fal we can get the decision of the board

in october at the very latest ilate november but that delays the city to update their financials >> [inaudible] may or may not be [inaudible] >> i can give a preview of my--we know that thehering is late september so if we have gotten the court decision we could have tried to pay it in september but now we know we can't so we believe we are going to pay it during the fiscal year or the plan year as so it is reflected as a unspected expense when we do the 2016 evaluation

>> [inaudible] >> [inaudible] we have to disclose it as a known event and a adverse event and have to estimate the value and increase in liability associated with the fact that it is a smap shot of july 1, we know at the time we release the report this liability is there and the impact it will have. >> thank you. >> can i ask a question in closing? we look at the 3 moretality aungz squz talk about the [inaudible] more tally aupgds 1 is grade down 1 percent. i'm looking at page 25 for example. that is a 1 percent improvement in the rate of moretality across the board? >> per year >> per year. i did see

something further back that was 2 and a half percent. that was the observed, right? >> it varies brie age and varies by gender but if you look at the historical rates for age 70, at 2007 which is when the historical data stops, you are looking at around 2 and a half percent averaging between males and females. when we say grade down to 1, it is starting at that poipt and following the green line and getting down to 1 percent over a 20 year period. >> because we don't expect a rate of the increase of moretality to continue at the current rate? the improvement

slows down? >> that is what we are expecting. >> thank you i had to hear that in my own words. >> comments? ready to go to public comment? ladies and gentlemen of the public, it is your turn to comment on moretality projections, scales, assumptions, suggested changes. seeing none, public comment is closed. thank you very much for your thorough presentation. at this time lets take a 10 minute bathroom break and we'll reconvene at let's settle down and get back in our seats. let rr get started again. so, we left

item 13. thank you very much. >> approval of recommended revisions regarding qualification for dependent adult child or [inaudible] >> caryn are you making this presentation? >> i can. these are very simple changes. when the policy was firs adopted we didn't have plans relate today the sheriff and [inaudible] and the changes include them >> thank you very much. can we accept this report as submitted? >> i move we adopt staff recommendations. >> second. >> thank you very much. all in favor, aye. let's go to public comment on item 13, anyone? everyone? public comment is closed. all in favor?

>> is there a change in the liability as a result of this implementation? >> not significant >> small? >> we are probably paying less than 4 adult dependent child benefits and so in the-in the entire system. since i have been here you had one on your consent calendar today which i believe is the third one in the 16 years i have been here that is presented to the board. >> potentially a couple dozen times whatever the benefit is? >> it isn't a significant increase. >> that's it. thank you >> it is limit today the older plans. it isn't available in the newer plans so it is a benefit that has a finite or limited exposure to the total

population of the plan. >> thank you. >> thank you. just by a recap for commissioner paskin joreden there was a motion made to accept the recommendation from staf and seconded so now we take a vote. all in favor aye. opposed? the aye's have. item 14 with would like to continue to the next board meeting. >> my i ask why we are continuing this for the second month in a row? >> we are continuing because commissioner makras would like to speak on the item and as a courtesy- >> i'll for continuing item to give members of the board to speak on them about at some point as a board it isn't good guv rns to continue deferring items until someone can be here. as member thofz board

said you can choose to be here or not be here, but for the board to run, we need to vote son things and talk about things. i don't think it makes sense to continue it another month but understand that is your prerogative >> that you can for sharing your comments. do we need it take public comment on this? could you call item 15 >> discussion item and [inaudible] >> very briefly, this is the fiscal year of travel. you can see we had expenditures in the last quarter that equaled total expenditures in the first 3 quarters. we had travel expenditures of 250 thousand dollars against a 700 thousand

any questions? let's talk public comment on item 15? the travel expense report. seeing none, public comment is closed. no vote is needed. mr. clerk can you call the next item >> executive directors report >> the 3 things i repaired a update has been discuss. the ordinance that creates the

cancer heart and [inaudible] was approved by the board och supervisors on july 28. signed by the mayor on august 6, 2015 and will become effective september 6, 2015. that is a change to give them parody with the presumption provision in the state plan. i updateed you on the timing of the benefit lawsuit. the only other thing is i wanted to let you know as they did last year the city elected to prepay their employer contributions and they prepaid them effective july 1 and we are in the process of reck in sileing the previous

years through june 30 contribution required to score up with the city to find out whether they overpaid or under paid us so that is a process that we believe will be retune because the city indicated they intend to prepare those contributions >> any discussion on the executive directors report? >> i have a couple comments, first wanted upidates on the minutes. there was follow up on the minutes specifically page 11. president of the board supervisor cohen asked for a follow up regarding-this page 11 of the minutes to be very specific. president cohen directed staff to prepare a follow tupe be presented at the next board meeting so i have 3

things if you can give a idea when you will follow up on that. item 2 is on page 13. commissioner makras asked for staff-this is the first full pargograph, staff develop a list of the worst offend rbs for climate change. last is page 16 i had a request. commissioner miburger requested a update on ownership change in the last 2 years. if you can give a idea when you will follow up on the 3 requests. page 11 is supervisor cohen's comment. president cohen directed staff to plepair a follow up report to be presented at the next board meeting. this was regarding

the mohcd and i have notd seen a report on that, that was the first one >> staff repaired a report and president cohen had indicated that she wanted it continued until the september board meeting so we anticipate we will fulfill that request. >> number 2 is page 13 regarding commissioner makras request. this

committee? the last on page 16. this is regarding my request for managers who exspessed a ownership chaipg in the last 2 years. this is regarding the issue with a change in the equity ownership that would be and relevant to staff putting them on a watch list. 3 4 f1 >> we'll get on it and have it by the end of the week >> the other issue i have is the forward calendar. at the july meeting there was going to

be a-you had something on the agenda for this meeting, a report on the currency overlay program. nothing was presented and don't see anything on the forward calendar. the issue is lessens learned from the program. if you can give a short story on what you think the lessons were and when aioanticipate it should be calendared for the full board. >> the lessens learned are contained in the report to the board and that isn't a priority to have on the forward calen defrr october. >> i'll continue on this on theorder of request. thank you for your response. >> anyone else have comments or questions? all right. seeing none let's take public comment on item 16 executive directors report. seeing no public

comment public comment is closed. discussion items no vote needed. >> item 17, discussion item retirement member >> commissioner miburger did you want to- >> thank you madam president. there are 2 issues regardsing the good of the order, one is regarding public comment having the board materials on line. the board of superizvoors has the board materials on line and they scan them and members of the public have access to that so if you can answer that, is that feasible? can you get the board materials accessible by the public? number 2 is currency overlay program. we

terminated this program 2 years ago and the issue is lessens learned. this is on the forward calen deder at least 2 times, nothing is done, there is no oral or printed report. i thing this is relevant to hedge frunds. the currency ovlay is a hedge fund and believe if we don't learn anything from this we will commit those same areas forward. the currency program lost 60 million dollars. no lessen learned on that so i suggest is i would like under rule 8 to request this be calen deer. if staff doesn't present a written report i'll present mine. i request a agenda item

currency ovlay, lessens learned as well as going forward as terms of implementing this. i this can those are good for the orebder because i don't see how we can go into a hedge fund program without learn thg lessens from our first hedge fund because i see a lot of similar effects. number 1-i'll expand on those when it is calendared but our turn ovfor and change in style. all these thingerize relevant to the hedge fund program and if we don't learn anything from the 60 million dollar project then i fear that we will make the same mistakes going forward. in conclusion, 2 things, number one is discussion or on the online presentation of documents, number 2 a item be calendared in the next 3 months

on currency overlay, lessens learned. >> thank you. anyone else want to add anything? >> one of the things that i receive phone calls about the most is retireees troying to schedule appointments and they feel like when they call the to system that it is a very long and lengthy process to get through the someone and then when they do get through i'm sure there are a lot of people-the couple people i hear from to them it a big deal. just a couple points i think that there are things you working on, but things to think about and bring back to the board at some point is fixing our phone tree. i called and i'm just going to ball park the times. it took me about 3 minute to get to the initial greeting. it took me another

approximately 3 minute after that before i got to a point where i could press a button to try to transfer to someone and when i transferred to someone ieneded up in a voice mail. it took about 6 minutes to get to voice mail. i know there is a -is there a proposal to try to revamp the phone system? i remember i heard you were in the process of looking into that. >> we are look toog propose a initiative to upgrade the phone system. >> i'm sure that would make a lot of members happy. in the interim something to look into is how to cut down on the timeframe that members have to stay on the phone to transfer to someone. ? second part is when people retireees get ready to retire and contact the

system there is frustration with scheduling a appointment and some has to do maybe fl are a couple new employer and maybe the wrong message got relaid to the retireee. if is good if you guys can try to figure out is there a way to improve the training of people answering the phones? when you deal with member thofz public can be a challenging job at the time with all different personaltiess and needs. those are things i received the most phone calls about. that being said, i never received a phone call saying they received a good experience because people have good experience never off that. all we hear about are complaints. i know all ralot of people doing a great job and it is unfortunate we never hear

about that. if you can work on those other things and give food for thought as you thipg about where we are going. thank you. >> thank you. you mentioned a proposal coming before this body to upgrade the voice mail system, do you know whether that when that will be? >> it is on the calendar pr the septumber board meeting and it is a presentation of what we consider updateed a strategic plan including initiatives we completed and new initiatives we are proposing. we receive very few phone calls, we done get enough phone calls to be like a call center but we understand we designed this phone tree easily 15 years ago. we looked at it 2 or 3 times

over that period and it was mostly for people to get information rather than conduct business so we would like to refocus the phone system so people can conduct business rather than just hear information or leave ophone message so that is something we'll present and hopefully the board will approve it so we can make sure the money for this is included in the budget for the coming year. in the mean time i would like to go off line to find out what staff tolds these folks because if it was misinformation then we need to find out how they were given misinformation. i do hear a lot of comments about very pleasant experiences have coming here, but i also hear about folks who are very frustrated with various reasons, how long they have to wait for appointment jz how long it takes for staff to

return their messages so we are trying to improve that. >> just so i'm clear is that rarely has anyone called me at work and tod me i have done a great job, i only hear people complaining about something they perceived i have done wrong. not trying to take way from the hard work, it is just a realty of public service. >> okay, is there other further discussion? >> this service issue has come up before. we tested the system. the phone business can't be news to you. the 6 minute thing isn't wrong. we have sometimes the advantage of knowing who the too call bullet if you go to the system it is

very long. maybe the system too old. if you don't want to hear the message hit 9 and you skill to where you can start sorting and selecting. >> we don't give that hint until later. the system was designed and purchased actually before i got here to communicate nrfckz information so that is why you list toon a 3 minutes mess object thf news we assume most of the folks are calling about so we hope if they hear that information that 1099 r was delayed or whatever the message is that they hang up and we answered their question but that is a outidated approach to customer service and we are looking to allow people sort of the same way we are on the website to actually do a certain level of business over the phone and get information over the phone so

that is why we look to upgrade it >> we have no idea how many calls come in every day? >> we do. that is why i say-whee considered call centers so we can guarantee people get a live person but we can't justify someone or 2 people full time job answering the phone because we don't get that many calls. they go to different areas like i didn't get my check or getting a divorce or need a mortgage so need a verification of my pension so we never phone useage to justify looking at a call center. >> maybe we can do website improvement. >> it is definitely 15-20 year old technology.

>> take public comment? thank you. public comment is closed. please call the next item, 18 >>ite nl 18, retirement borebd member reports and comments >> commissioner paskin jordan. you have a report? >> i thought i did that last time >> you did, it wasn't calendared. commissioner miburger >> thank you. i atepd thd pacific pension snult conference on diversification through real assets and it was very interesting. [inaudible] a member of the public make

presentation of ways to deal with the melt down. to me the direct answer is invescing in real assets. i xoe he isn't here but that sh the best way more than hedge funds. research has shown that is the greatest effect. a lot of very nertesting presenters were there . i did moderate a session so it was interesting lingening to the different approaches about investing in real assets. to me infrastrugture and agriculture is the ways to invest in real assets. those are the issues. weak on commodities. its more short term oriented like golds and silver are real assets but more so on using futures and augzs to deal with that so don't think that was substant tchb. the key note address was former

ambassador chaz freedman who was the ambassador during the first gulf war. he talked about the iron silk road. anyone heard of this before? i never heard of this before. this is the biggest infrashuckture project on gods green earth. china has been spending a lot of money on rails, high ways, fiber optics connecting asia to europe and it is amazing. i was very impressed and unaware of that. i thought was the key note address for cheenas commitment to infrastructure is fascinating. there is a lot of money need ed for the projects.

that was out standing because i never heard of that before. i notice we had the par-i don't think it is necessary to include the participants but the number members public funds around the state and around the world and i looked at canada. the canadian pension fund invested in infrastructure for a long time. they have totally different governance. it isn't appointed elected, it is like a business which is not what we-we don't run ours like a business to the extent the canadian pension funds do. they haveophorouss around the world and thereat is difcult for us to doompt they have offices around the world and we have the presentation. they use a totally different

discount fraet all liabilities. we use the same for likets and assets and phase in for the discount rate the liabilities. they use a discount rate for the libets around 3 and a half and 6 and a half to 7 for assets. if we did that, we would have a tremendous impact on funding t. is good seeing a lot of different public funds mptd cal per squz stirs were there and shared some of their progress on infrashuck structure. we heard a speaker from cal stirs. very informative and effective and thank you for approving my attendance there >> thank you for the report. let's go to public comment. public comment on item 18. seeing none public comment is closed. on the ajepda now we

have closed session so we'll take public comment on closed session at the time. seeing none public comment is closed. thank you ladies and gentlemen. we need a vote to go into closed session. >> [inaudible] >> i second that vote. all in favor of going to closed session? opposed? we'll go into let's take a motion to disclose dis[inaudible] >> i like to the move we not disclose what is discussed in closed session >> i'll second that motion. all in favor say aye. opposed? aye's have it, the motion passes. the meeting is

adjourned. thank you ladies and gentlemen. test, test, test, test, test, test test. >> interviewer with the recording equipment in the room please rise for the pledge of allegian allegiance

allegiance of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> president loving tuition i'd like to call roll at this time. president loftus oh, here (laughter) commissioner turman commissioner marshall commissioner dejesus commissioner mazzucco commissioner hwang commissioner melara president loftus you have a could you please state your name and also chief of police and joyce hicks. >> thank you. good evening, everyone and city hall welcome to the wednesday, august 19, 2015, of the police commission sergeant the next latin-american preparation retired police

reverse rodney. >> colleagues you have in your packet a note regarding retired police reserve cpr last year to the city we're here to honor him. >> chief and members of the public and i'm officer, i'm the court reporting for the san francisco police department to my left is officer rodney until 2007 worked an details and assignments he got numerous captains accommodates and letters of appreciation from the public. >> oh, yeah. i wanted to say thank you for having me here the last night was 25 or to thirty

years ago i was up here debating against the police hike my cousin was a member of the police commission and working in a difference city with people of color changed through the years i was born here in san francisco and raised here in san francisco and the reason he got into the program to marine about the city to note the core of the city they gum the opportunity to do that i've learned about different cultural there was only italians here and have irish and suddenly it changed but working in the police department had a lot of responsibility first was stress that goes along with that men and women that i worked with did a great job i mean he seen the core of it working with

different communities especially chinatown and mission area and richmond and taraval i worked at all those stations doing the media, of course, you might have some bad apples around with you not all people in the department and officers most of my friends are retired a new generation i really want to thank you to the commissioners and the chief and his command staff for having me up here. >> chief speaking of the chief he's there to present you with a plague. >> first, i want to commend officer semiautomaticers and does a great job all the reserves are volunteers i can't say enough about what jeff no plaque for you only my heart of

the thanks but rodney for your recollection of services for the citizens of san francisco and discharging our duties your hereby awarded the certificate of appreciation (clapping) >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> colleagues anything officer thank you for your thousands of hours of service to the city your devoted to. >> thank you very much. >> and illicit call for any public comment on that matter hearing nun public comment is closed next line item arrest consent calendar received and file action to ask the chief to accept $5,000 for the central

summer program request the chief of police to accept the donations of 6 thousand for the sf pd and occ document quarterly report second quarter 2015 talk sergeant colleagues you have in your packet those 3 items to accept $400 for the engagement summer program and the captain has ideas how to and request from the chief to accept this $6,000 and the protocols report which you'll note no issues in exchanging information between the department and occ that's why it is on the consent calendar to congratulations any questions for the chief for the occ i'd like to say entertain a motion. >> motion to approve

>> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? passed unanimously and sergeant call the next line item. >> 3 general public comment this time, members of the public may address the commission on items of interest to the public that are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission except agenda items. with respect to agenda items, under police commission robert's rules of order neither i say police or commissioners are required to respond to questions but may provide a brief response the personnel shall refrain from entering into debates and please limit our comments to 3 minutes. >> good evening and welcome. >> i'm tom good evening president loftus and director hicks and chief suhr

before i get hooked up sergeant kill shaw and the lieutenant before them have been spectacular representing little sfpd so for the public if only the rest of the force and members of the commission were as wonderful we would be a much wonderful city i want to say that before i say about the police number one presidents loftus not minute no particular about 3 months ago there will be a policy on cantonese not here i've been told it might be coming soon i'm hoping it about come very, very, very soon and want to have input into the final report i know that is a little bit late but the public especially people like me pushing for this over 2 and a

half years maybe have a say number one number 2 in launch chief suhr spoke about the homes infamous jeff was strengthened for the last misbehavior that caused disgrace no follow-up on the investigation or indictments or prosecutions of jeff. lambert not to mention his previous crimes and as many of you may know tony's got ahold of him i thought i saw the names of one or two of you not in that document congratulations i'm told the city attorney, city attorney and us attorney investigations and the infamous that brought me into the infamous text at least 5 agrees

r agencies looking at your corruption and i imagine 3 of the critical purposes will be dropped and won't be elected but the u.s. attorney and the fbi played that game good luck to you all all you in the room maybe tashthsd good luck to you and finally up to the 56 year anniversary of the controllers report on the damage they do to the city and liability nothing has been done for 4 years, 50 weeks and 6 days except for criminal actions trying to protect ♪ the district attorney's office what r why have you not regulating them properly i have only two seconds thank you have a great day >> thank you, mr. stall horse

any further public comment. >> good evening and welcome. >> good evening i'm just only 85 years old and the united states is the biggest fascist country fascist can you believe he sent 6 people 6 police officer from richmond police station captain ta new york and now captain sam silverman a jewish fascist they i would like to know how nice that will be if your parents would be evicted and sleep on the street in the

car for last thing i never the anything wrong in any life anything that any i can say but this fascist 6 people, 6 police came in and put me on the street my god what country god punished them this person punish him and his family fascist. >> you can't address any individual thank you. >> any further public comment? hearing nun public comment is closed. sergeant >> item 4 reports and announcements the chiefs report and review of recent activities

good evening. >> good evening commissioners and director hicks and interested public first, i speak to the cameras that policy will be to the commission the first september 2nd. >> september that's the date with that it was a unanimous vote and i'll read the list at that time of everyone that votes more people that voted as the commissioners that attend were more often on the date it was unanimous. >> there is some report in the increase in property crime anal or automobile burglaries to put together a task force approach to try and force o focus on specific areas the district attorney offered if we very specific nights that are particularly lucky most nights

he might be able to attach something to the group for a review to insure the best possible report and evidence for the prosecutor ability we're on it, it is sort of a con influence of legislative changes this and that that may not play into it, it is the current state of affairs before most of those commissioners some of whom a long time this was the first time we put together an be automatic burglary task force so we'll take a similar approach with more technology going forward there's been some blogging in the social media on market street of a mental ill person

the video is a thirty minute video we've asked the producer of this she's not willing to give up what preceded the contact it is important to note there is some miss statements mr. fudge is not frail he didn't have a prosthetic lower leg 6 foot four and at least one of the officers noted a history of violence and event on steward street in february where a single female officers he was an aggressive panhandleer from a restaurant he mounted her and signatures pulled him off of her and 6 officers need to get him into custody one offers a sixth bite mark on his hand in june he

asked a woman that was seated for a light she didn't have one he get upset and broke a cane over her head causing a severe bleeding to her head he was aggravated case pending on the fourth when officers contacted him for waving sticks in the blogging report he had kruchlz no crutches he was saying i r we want to get crutches they were indeed sticks out in the street on the sidewalk after sometime the officers did go to control him physically once he was on this ground in the video no blow struck, no language name-calling nothing, in fact, one bystander

is saying please stop resisting when in control 14 no more than 4 once controlled the ambulance arrived i was sent to general for a psychiatric there's no control for a mentally ill person if you watch the video and know what the officers knew in trying to control him you'll agree the force used from at least what we see in the video not the other 19 minutes it appears reasonable. >> chief that is why it will be helpful when we have cantonese video i read in the media no complaints is that true obviously it could potentially come before us we can't say

itch. >> president loftus and chief suhr forwarding the e-mails complaining about the construct to the occ we've received information from the captain and the station yes, yes a complaint will be opened at the occ once the members of the public contact police department about police officers conduct pursuant to the order the department provide the information in the open complaint and that's important for the public to understand there's not - you don't have to follow a exact procedure the chief forwards it and for people we have a process for handling accomplice misconduct to the not saying anything at this point it could

come before this body we're reading what everyone else is reading. >> obviously director hicks and i spoke of this in the meeting i too have been actively involved in the investigation in order to know what i know. >> got it thank you. >> on a lighter note the 248 academy class started on august 3rd, '55 recruits 50 for the san francisco police department and 5 from the oakland police department we continue to build that it is the returning in oakland you might have seen the press conferences we got a driver of a vehicle in custody because of the relationship back and forth with

oakland in short order that class we congratulated the 2 hundred and 44 friday night thank you commissioner turman for making comments 32 recruits graduated a good story on two of the recruits are dental twins the truman brothers and pretty good interplay the video starts off with one of the officers meeting one the twins wishing he had more like him and the next frame the dental twin walks up cadet i'm happy to report two of the cadets from the month magic

presentation like last week on wednesday we're excited about that when you think about the statistics that sheryl davis spoke of only 20 percent of the kids would think about it now two of them are in the cadet program those kids were on the radio show sunday night one street soldiers with a local celebrity host those kids did well and marsh will speak it that our back to school is underway two weeks ago at hunch and this past weekend as bayview and very, very crowded lots of kids all upside we have a perspire with the mayor's office mta and traffic enforcement to do awareness around several schools now that

school is back underway and officer jason johnson graduated his first class of 7 young people in the career academy that expressed an interest when the adverse things about the criminal justice system they especially\, how it works they got together with the public defender's office and the adult juvenile probation and the police department 7 kids got to visit and see the sheriff's department coast to coast and the hall of justice and put together a celebration hopefully, a program that continues to grow and finally the police department lost a good friend mr. ben passed away

he's a lengthened in the bayview district if not the founder certainly one of the key people that supported us huge late night job development one of the original founder of the scholarships for kids the first kid jackie will be graduating from new orleans in may and on and on just a terrific guy passed away at 93 he'll be missed that concludes my report. >> questions for the chief comprehensive do you know where we are homicide number year to date. >> we have thirty year to date this year we were at 24 last year and we were plus or minus around thirty pretty much 3 of

the last 4 years before that so through more than anyone would have we're still hoover around the new normal half in '07 and '08 that's the same for non-facility shootings in terms of property crime i the read that not only property crime is up but arrests are down i was wondering if that has nothing to do with for misdemeanors and if that's the case that leads to any staffing question. >> so as we transition away from the old account things the 40 years old back to the crime day warehouse a question as to whether or not what the accuracy of those obviously ear down 3 hundred officers as to what less arrests the question not less

aggregate arrests but more misdemeanors arrests since proposition was reclassified in the first 6 months of 2015 over one thousand clarifying as prop 47 misdemeanors and last year those would have been felons when you add those thousand arrests. >> thousands. >> to the felons felonies the numbers are not down as a and appear the short answer in the next two weeks i'll be able to have a better handle that was something that jumped on us. >> is it fair to say the rest is clarified. >> that's what i believe i can't confirm that the only way to confirm what is prop 47 misdemeanor you have to go into

the body of the report and find out the threshold on the dollars amount of the goods taken and officer david is terrific doing all that work but more work left to do. >> no, that's good it goes back to the graduation of the academy classes but we're 3 hundred officers down are we still 3 hundred officers down i want to hear progress. >> after those officers came in we're closer to 2 hundred and 75 officers. >> right direction. >> we're retiring 60 to 90 offers a year but the drop we were retiring 3 hundred plus when we were hire 3 hundred classes a year we were holding water; right? now hiring 5 classes of we have 90 we should

be plus 50 we'll be closer to 2 hundred and only hundred officers down. >> no, no. >> how many started in the 244 i know we're graduating 32. >> 50. >> okay so commissioner hwang has been patiently waiting. >> of the new recruits do you know the rational ethic breaks down. >> out of the 244 that graduated i would be comfortable comfortable saying it reflects the city we're still having a difficult time recruiting asian so if you're watching asian

women we had an asian woman police chief we were well-represented by women the two biggest star in the iron man expedition were asian women set records one was particularly unbelievable and both were i know that commander and deputy chief are actively trying to recruit men and women and underrepresented asian men. >> that is the title to the iron woman. >> yeah. why iron man. >> we brought that up and the women wanted to change it so we do what they say (laughter). >> smart so other questions

for the chief okay and sergeant please. the director's report destruction presentation of the occ first quarter 2015 statistical report, presentation of the occ statistical report, summary of cases in june and july of 2015 emotion of complaint in june of 2015 and adjudicator of the containments in 2015 and companion report. >> good evening, commissioners and members of the public and chief suhr last saturday investigator participated in the back to school preparation she staffed a table and ran out of goodies talked to over 3 hundred youth i too attended the recruit

graduation last friday and what an nerve class a lot of energy from that class to date the occ has opposed 4 hundred plus and closed 4 hundred plus last year the occ opened 4 hundred and 62 cases and closed 4 hundred and 42 to date the occ mediated 36 cases the same number that was mediated between january 1st and august 31st last year we have the occ are these first quarter report for filing purposes i won't give you an oral presentation the data is through mark 31st of this year in september i'll provide the second quarterly report that is more current through june 30th and however i i'll be happy to

answer any questions about the data that is in the first quarter report now i'll present the june and statistical report the emotion of containments in june, i told you where we are as of june 30th we had mediated 29 cases 4 were mediated between january 1st, 2014, and june 30th, 2014, august was a big month for emotion and the emotion coordinator has been we're not through august and 6 cases have been mediated in august but moving back to june and the chiefs discipline on occ sustained report 7 cases were

reviewed by the chief that the occ sustained first thing will talk about the neglect of duty a officers failed to investigate a bike and failed to process the property the constraint indicated it was his bike a dispute the officer didn't believe the dispute and the officers instead detained the complainant and failed to issue a certificate of release this officer got a reprimand in the next neglect of duty an officer failed to produce an incident report when failed to take the person in custody that officer received a ralph reprimand and retraining the

third case was unwanted action, an officer caused a car to be towed wrong and entered an incorrect license plate number another car crashed into a car the complainants car was pushed the car out into the street and the complainant contended that if the officer had not transposed the car for someone in sacramento the officer was admonished and retrained another case neglect of duty two officers failed to meet with the complainant and prepare an incident report when the complainant called 9-1-1 a man threatened to shoot him the officers get retraining

another cases for a request for a private information not enough evidence to take the person in custody, however, the officer was sfoept to write an incident report and didn't that officer get a reprimand and retraining another case that involved several allegations the neglect of duty and the detention for failing to properly supervisor the plain clothes officers made a traffic stop of a bicyclist riding on the sidewalk the bicyclist did not meet the expectation for the plain clothes officers making traffic stops the expectations include the officer engaging in different that is related to ongoing investigation or a regulated vehicle like taxicabs

or shuttle buses or when an officer seize immediate action to protect public property like drunk driving of the traffic signal stop meets the regulation the officer must call a back up unit officers didn't call for a back up unit and the officers failed to collect traffic stop they get a reprimand and retraining chief suhr said unlawful detention d failure to properly supervisor an officer used pro of an and abusive language the sergeant didn't intervene or correct the officer the officer get a

reprimand and didn't occur that the officer engaged in misconduct that president's report on june generations thirty complainants between january 31st and jill 31st 3 were meetsdz between january 1st, 2014, and july 31st, 2014, i've given you the august interrupted e updated mediation we're at 436 now and looking at the chiefs proposed discipline on occs sustained complains in july one complaint this involved the plain clothes officers and marked vehicles didn't meet the

objections to the plain clothes officers macro traffic stops i've talked about even if the officers met the expectations the officers failed to call for a back up unit and engaged in pursuit when the complainant drove away from the stop the officers received astonishments and failure to notify dispatch and others failure to collect data. >> thank you director hicks commissioner turman. >> i have - well, i think it is not necessarily a question but director hicks but like the chief the opportunity to respond i'm looking at the neglect of

duty regarding the bicyclist and woornd if there is anything to add. >> the detention themselves were laugh it was for a plain clothes officer to make a stop outside of policy they had reasonable pay any attention to make the stop since we reclassified and began collecting traffic stop data on bikes i believe had inu unintended consequence every time a police stops a bicyclist it is collecting data for a traffic stop. >> well, i think the offices are well-versed they're not supposed to make traffic stops on vehicles we don't want plain clothes officers to have a prudent where we say i did not

know the danger to the public is when the bicyclist by definition it is a violation since now stopping a bike is a traffic stop you get a plain clothes officer with good reasonable suspicion to make a detention but they're not supposed to make a traffic stop on a bike get a traffic officer to do this we spoke at length yesterday the stop is not unlawful but outside of policy. >> director hicks so it seems as though your team found it was not an unlawful detention the chief feels there was reasonable suspicion but you guys didn't find that. >> we didn't find that we found that the stop in the first place

was out of policy and the plain clothes officers don't make traffic stops and so it ends up being a policy with no teeth if nolo contendere sequence that's the position we've taken with the prior case that was adjudicated where the plain clothes officers unmarked vehicle saw an individual didn't have a seat belt on that's the violation they saw but suspected the individual was up to no good the individual was in a late

model car that doesn't have in state license plates and so they choose to make a traffic stop even though didn't fit the standards of an emergency situation of the danger to an articulateable danger to life or property it was explained to me that the officers were justified in making this stop that's how i explain to you and so we don't concur with the interpretation the officers were very clear in their interviews building they were justified in stopping an

individual who didn't have his seat belt on they had belief it was a suspicious character that's not standard our concern at the occ is about training how our training on this department of general public. >> so one of the things i do like about the system you get to see the cases they're not serious enough to come to us but potentially training recommendations or policy recommendations because what i hear you saying my question is reasonable suspicion under the fourth amendment following our particular policy you you know we'll have to follow the constitution every day i see what you're saying in the beginning you found that i upstairs the chiefs prospective if you're violating the vehicle code an officer stops you with

constitutional authority if this is a theme plain clothes officers in particular need attention or reminderers that's a way to get the information. >> thank you commissioner president loftus and chief greg suhr and i had a discussion i understand the prospective of but i don't agree similar to from the poison us tree an officer engages in violation of the fourth amendment then it boo would be our position, of course, that whatever flees from that. >> right. >> the officers violation. >> i have a need for a policy

clarification both of the perspectives but we need to have a policy that fits and there's no constitutional challenge to it so we need to refer this to i think we need meeting the minds and discussion so we retrained all the astonishments involved retraining we retrained to the policy so if for instance, if this circumstance had of happened exactly as it did but the same officers having suspicion having a marked car make the stop were good the officers violated the policy that didn't negate but we trained them to know you may make a great case but end up

getting an oracle complaint you're not supposed to make that stop we talked about this they didn't even call they just the it they clearly making a traffic stop in plain clothes officers their collecting traffic stop data that said they had reasonable suspicion to laughly make the stop. >> commissioner hwang. >> actually, i said want to add commissioner turman is right there should be a discussion about the policy but the occ director spdz those with an unlawful detention for us attorneys there's a definition of an unlawful detention the chief said a reasonable it is a lawful detention it becomes a problem for the occ and police department we need to be careful about the word there recent are

still violation where here in constitutional violation a violation of a policy that the commission police department and the occ feels is new to protect people from characterize of an unmarked car the chief can be - we have to be careful about the wording. >> anything commissioner turman or director hicks. >> in our president your point is that's true commissioner your point is well-taken but i would further urge that if those officers violated the policy in the way that it was described i would

question why in this stance those officers received astonishments and retraining in the other instance of the complainants on the bike those officers received written reprimand and retraining an interesting case because it didn't end with again ends with those officers went on to more and the complainant, in fact, had much more of a problem than not wearing a seat belt and but i would just say that i would hope there would be real consequences of violation for this policy there's a reason why

the policy exists and real consequence would be greater discipline so - >> i think the other just to keep it simple make sure that officers in plain clothes officers the chief is making sure that is not happening not good for anyone loud and clear director hicks it is noted anything further on this thank you director hicks and sergeant please call latin-american. >> commission report and discussions and commissioners report. >> yes. mine will be fairly brief colleagues 90 days ago we asked the chief and the departments to do something

ambitious it was aggressive to see if the department can come up with a draft el camino del mar for the commission to review in 90 days depending on when you start the 90 days sliktd a week or so behind but in the ball park an incredible work by the working go up i've observed those meeting on august 11th the group met were any of you at that meeting i wasn't the chief said they voted to bring the policy to us we didn't ask them to agree but i wanted to let you know i'm going to be working with commander moss you are you have a sense all the minutes

sergeant skill shaw did a great job minutes all will be available on the website and to the commission there will be some reading material on september 2nd meeting we'll get you the binder all the policies that the group considered and include all the version and minutes you'll know exactly where everyone was i canned stress that will be as interested in this members of the public and commissioners you'll see it alu the sausage making and then it will be presented to us i think what is extraordinary members of the working group want it moved to september 2nd to their their thoughts when is generous of their time it is coming our way it is our responsibility to understand you you know some of the issues in greater detail a

lot of reading materials and the plan as we talked about 90 days ago we will have our september community meeting on september 16th in the northern and that will be we'll devote that meeting to the issue of cameras so people that are interested mark those dates we'll make sure in the on the website that concludes my report. >> director hicks. >> i was part of working group and attend all of the but one meeting i was at the last meeting there were areas where we didn't concur particularly around whether officers should be able to

review the cameras and whether subsequent to that officers should be able to review the body camera forgotten for the administrative or criminal investigation i did provide to the working group a comprehensive report by the inspector general of the new york city police department which evaluates the political body cameras program in place for n y pd and has comprehensive recommendations on the various aspects of a body camera policy including the officer review of

the footage. >> will that provide an working go up. >> yes. it did. >> chief suhr. >> the od's of that coin we want the officers to see the video it was not intended to be be a got you video there are things that support our position from other models policies around the city that are in place i want to reassure the working group recommendations are now at commission and requested that the officer will be working with the procurement of the cameras they wanted to policy to go to the commission before they got started a lot of things in the policy are they know that are part of scope so to that end director is put a

group together of all the experts within the department that with all the mini pieces of the procurement we'll work with that and ready to proceed for the funds to be released from board so we're on parallel tracks so when the policy is done we're ready to go. >> that's great that's great commissioner turman. >> the chief mentioned other part of information that went the opposite direction has that been submitted aid director hicks and i i think that is the two positions and there is position papers in there that are have a seated h seat in different policies. >> for you to look at. >> working group analysis. >> no, no, no that was probably the longest debate in the

policy. >> that's why the minutes are helpful you'll see where folks came down from my objection helpful commissioner dejesus. >> something simple september 2nd that is the time we'll get our binders it's a lot of information to read. >> yeah. you can see the policy as is on the website >> i'm talking about the minutes. >> no, i don't have all of that. >> it is august 19th we'll work like i said we're confirming tomorrow and i want to remind i we're doing things differently with this policy the department does things this is a reminder this policy has the potential to effect so many quarters of the city after we do our piece we'll meet and the working group and we deliberate and that and go out with two meeting with the

public in september and be october hopefully and have a conversation about the main issues and the department of human resources has to take it to the bargaining process that normally happens outside of us so we're all clear we're taking a little bit of a different approach and piece that are are required by the human rights no human resources. >> other commissioners have any more reports commissioner marshall. >> this has been imaginations mentioned we want to thank the chief and sheryl davis if month magic and the radio program think sunday's to talk about we feel a great program our csi community safety program i've heard from a lot of people that

was really great the kids were fantastic the adults were great i really have an reward they were excited about being on the radio for the participating in the program but also for everyone that at least in any radio audience to hear about you know how they spent their summer and this initiative and internship particularly how they felt about the police going in and i've heard from oakland people saying what a great program and how unique i said to other jurisdictions we have a model you need to organize that and richmond are you listening so a great thing and you know the kids really hope that we take hair recommendations to heart so again, i cannot is

enough the only thing i regret i ran out of time. >> i was linking and i was thinking everybody went great commissioner turman. >> thank you, president loftus i want to join director hickss comments how enthusiastic the 2 hundred and 44 police academy was at the graduation summer ceremony whatever our plan we're doing it right we're definitely moving in the right direction not only in the enthusiastic class but visually you can see the diversities has been the work of diverseing classes binging the folks into the department the chiefs speech was inspiration all starting off on

a stronger foot i was honored to be part of the ceremony and hear and meet so many of the classroom african-american women and latino i know we have some events today in fact targeted towards the recruitments of asians in the department i'm not suggesting our work is finished but we're on the right track and the graduation was tremendous so congratulations to the department for great work i think as commissioner said i like to hear the statistics on the 244 and the recent class we're doing something right replicate and ramp up.

>> next line item and item 4 d commissioner announcement and items for future action. >> a couple of updates commissioner melara has been asking about scheduling the update on the referrals to cps as a result of our d go updates i'm having a meeting and we'll get that agendized we're cross on that we talked about body cameras september 9th we have the quarterly updates if the bike coalition and the walk sf for safe streets is on september 9th we're moving that if the second to the 9 i had a productive and the statistics are good despite the bumps in the road anything else commissioner turman. >> i don't have any dates but i

wanted to brought to your attention about a month ago i attended a program by the coalition of homelessness director freed bash they've done a study and case studies on criminalizing homelessness and they want to presents present that and recommendations to the commission i have suggested it first, we forward anything they like to brought to your attention and first to the chief and for the active folks i'll work with the folks and have them your office to come and speak to you first and then after that we can discuss the scheduling the dates. the commission but i think that is an important and interesting take how we're looking at

legislation a our enforcement has been aimed towards homeless persons and certainly worth listening >> put that on the list and get it thank you for attending that screening on behalf of the commission so, now call for public comment. >> a reminder no meeting next week august 26th so the next meeting as we've discussed september 2nd at 530 city hall. >> because of the issues going remote we're not doing our neighborhoods meeting on the second wednesday but for third wednesday. >> so okay. now i'll call for public comment on items 4a there d. >> ms. brown.

>> hi. >> my name is paulette brown thank you for mothers to coming up for my sons anniversary i also want to thank l.b. at the media relations for putting this out i think i'm saying his name right they gave me some new flyers i want to use the overheads for my son he still has inspector pull and another inspector john miller they came out and were not able to stay long they came out i'm glad they did my concern i always bring the names of the my son the people

that murdered my son they're still walking the street i know that paris moving even though is with the fed's i hear he's getting out soon in a couple of years if he's going to kill again but he's going to be getting out and something should be done about that someone else's kid is going to get shot or killed i don't know if he ever watches television we want to remind him what he the to any son. >> i want to remind thomas han bull what they the to any son

i'm still hurting august 14th has passed iangry after all thoe years it's easier but it doesn't get easier i can deal with that but it doesn't get easier i want to remind you what i had to go through i know that the oakland crime have a new thing their implementing out in oakland to put the pictures up on the bus stops and everything why can't they do that here so i wouldn't have to climb up on a

pole for any sons picture to someone put e take down they continue to hurt me all the time i think this guy needs for watched when he gets out of jail paris moving even though and especially thomas han buthomas . >> chief do you want to give an update. >> anyone has information we yesterday spoke about the murder of a lady in the bloif any information on any of those cases please call our anonymous (415) 575-4444 tipline and also one of the things the kids spoke to we'll soon be

having an app on the feign any people that are phone call friendly and feel protected hopefully in the next several weeks maybe that will help us catch a break in this case. >> okay good evening and well. >> good evening, everybody yeah. i came if india initial i'm jewel and my husband's names we live san francisco on july 18th this year police broke in my kitchen window and got in to the kitchen and picked the lock to open my bedroom two

police officers pointed guns to ask me and my husband and they said put your hands up and me and my husband's put our hands up and i said don't shoot i was having any breakfast at the time and my husband just woke up from the bed watching tv the police said the neighbor called the police the police said the neighbor called the police a big bang came from my address at the 94 it was july 17th yeah. on friday at this point, i was working peacefully annihilates night they didn't hear any bang for

the tenants live upstairs we live in the garage units they said they didn't hear anything bang that shot or something going on and then my husband called the police asking for a report not on the report they pointed a gun to us today, i'm here i want to ask police chief why they didn't put the report on the police report they pointed gun to us >> so are you finished? >> oh, yeah, he hope the police can have the body camera so we can have the evidence what they the to us passenger seat guns. >> i want to make sure we got our remarks it is not a q and a

but i see sergeant standing here willing to answer questions on behalf of the department and deputy director bottle discharge. >> my husband made the complaint to occ about this going on. >> it takes time the deputy director is there. >> i'm lucky i'm alive. >> we're apologizing for this, please to the occ commission. >> i forgot to ask you on the paper in sunday the city attorney. >> i'm sorry ms. brown but the city attorney is telling me. >> public comment is limited to 3 minutes behave to treat all the public equally and they have

the suspects i'm talking to someone. >> i'm going to direct you to deputy chief he is unfortunately, the city attorney is correct i have to treat everybody the say thank you ms. brown any further public comment hearing public comment is closed. >> sergeant please call the next item. >> the awards of the commission action. >> all right. colleagues in packet a memo by chief suhr this is the follow-up on the wards committee meeting in june chief you want to talk about this. >> again, i think we've vetted the names we've matches them up against open cases finding none the actions of the officers were axiliary and all well deserving

as recommended. >> i'll say i attend the wards committee meeting i think commissioner mazzucco has explained to everyone in daily a beautiful antic box it is used with marbles a different group of captains they take their role sorrowful and determine when the level of awards they should get you was able to observe that and count the marbles so this is that was the process that i was able to obvious just to clarify we've had this issue up before has the occ signed off no open cases for any of those officers sergeant. >> yeah. >> that's an affirm and chief

the department did they're vetting sometimes we're done with our piece and the occ and there are other agencies mainly the district attorney's office that allow us not to call it cross we're not the realm. >> no open cases by any definition. >> that's my problem, no da no department of justice regarding anything. >> no any other questions colleagues. >> okay. do i have another motion. >> so >> second. >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? passes unanimously to congratulations to the recipients do we know when the ceremony is going to be done.

>> in front of okay. >> okay great is there any public comment on the vote that we just held hearing none public comment is closed. >> public comment on all matters for closed session including public comment to hold item 8 in closed session and ladies and gentlemen, we're going to go into closed session and vote whether or not to go into closed session hearing public comment is closed sergeant. >> item 7 vote to hold item 8 in closed session to assert the trnt privilege with san francisco administrative code action. >> colleagues do i have a motion not to discolor relevant to the sections referenced

>> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? that item passes and so we're b open session colleagues, i made an error i invited a motion not to discolor that is the motion after closed session i appreciate my colleagues and so i invite a motion to hold item 8 in closed session and assert the attorney compliant privilege >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? that item passes we're now in.

>> do you have a question? back in open session call the next line item arrest whether to discolor all matters in closed session administrative code 67.1 a action >> not to disclose>> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> that item passes unanimously we're okay i'm sorry sergeant next line item adjournment. >> motion to adjourn. >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> nancy pelosi's - passes unanimously

>> hi today we have a special edition of building san francisco, stay safe, what we are going to be talking about san francisco's earth quakes, what you can do before an earthquake in your home, to be ready and after an earthquake to make sure that you are comfortable staying at home, while the city recovers. ♪

>> the next episode of stay safe, we have alicia johnson from san francisco's department of emergency management. hi, alicia thanks to coming >> it is a pleasure to be here with you. >> i wonder if you could tell us what you think people can do to get ready for what we know is a coming earthquake in san francisco. >> well, one of the most things that people can do is to make sure that you have a plan to communicate with people who live both in and out of state. having an out of state contact, to call, text or post on your social network is really important and being able to know how you are going to communicate with your friends, and family who live near you, where you might meet them if your home is uninhab hitable. >> how long do you think that it will be before things are restored to normal in san francisco. >> it depends on the severity of the earthquake, we say to provide for 72 hours tha, is three days, and it helps to

know that you might be without services for up to a week or more, depending on how heavy the shaking is and how many after shocks we have. >> what kind of neighborhood and community involvement might you want to have before an earthquake to make sure that you are going to able to have the support that you need. >> it is important to have a good relationship with your neighbors and your community. go to those community events, shop at local businesses, have a reciprocal relationship with them so that you know how to take care of yourself and who you can rely on and who can take care of you. it is important to have a battery-operated radio in your home so that you can keep track of what is happening in the community around and how you can communicate with other people. >> one of the things that seems important is to have access to your important documents. >> yes, it is important to have copies of those and also stored them remotely. so a title to a home, a passport, a driver's license, any type of medical records

that you need need, back those up or put them on a remote drive or store them on the cloud, the same is true with any vital information on your computer. back that up and have that on a cloud in case your hard drive does not work any more. >> in your home you should be prepared as well. >> absolutely. >> let's take a look at the kinds of things that you might want to have in your home. >> we have no water, what are we going to do about water? >> it is important for have extra water in your house, you want to have bottled water or a five gallon container of water able to use on a regular basis, both for bathing and cooking as well as for drinking. >> we have this big container and also in people's homes they have a hot water heater. >> absolutely, if you clean your hot water heater out regularly you can use that for showering, drinking and bathing as well >> what other things do people need to have aren't their home.

>> it is important to have extra every day items buy a couple extra cans of can food that you can eat without any preparation. >> here is a giant can of green giant canned corn. and this, a manual can opener, your electric can opener will not be working not only to have one but to know where to find it in your kitchen. >> yes. >> so in addition to canned goods, we are going to have fresh food and you have to preserve that and i know that we have an ice chest. >> having an ice chest on hand is really important because your refrigerator will not be working right away. it is important to have somebody else that can store cold foods so something that you might be able to take with you if you have to leave your home. >> and here, this is my very own personal emergency supply box for my house. >> i hope that you have an alternative one at home. >> oh, i forgot. >> and in this is really important, you should have flashlights that have batteries, fresh batteries or

hand crank flashlight. >> i have them right here. >> good. excellent. that is great. additionally, you are going to want to have candles a whistle, possibly a compass as well. markers if you want to label things if you need to, to people that you are safe in your home or that you have left your home. >> i am okay and i will meet you at... >> exactly. exactly. water proof matches are a great thing to have as well. >> we have matches here. and my spare glasses. >> and your spare glasses. >> if you have medication, you should keep it with you or have access to it. if it needs to be refrigerated make sure that it is in your ice box. >> inside, just to point out for you, we have spare batteries. >> very important. >> we have a little first aid kit. >> and lots of different kinds of batteries. and another spare flashlight. >> so, alicia what else can we

do to prepare our homes for an earthquake so we don't have damage? >> one of the most important things that you can do is to secure your valuable and breakable items. make sure that your tv is strapped down to your entertainment cabinet or wall so it does not move. also important is to make sure that your book case is secure to the wall so that it does not fall over and your valuable and breakables do not break on the ground. becoming prepared is not that difficult. taking care of your home, making sure that you have a few extra every-day items on hand helps to make the difference. >> that contributes dramatically to the way that the city as a whole can recover. >> absolutely. >> if you are able to control your own environment and house and recovery and your neighbors are doing the same the city as a whole will be a more resilient city. >> we are all proud of living in san francisco and being prepared helps us stay here. >> so, thank you so much for joining us today, alicia, i appreciate it. >> absolutely, it is my

pleasure. >> and thank you for joining us on another edition of building .

>> this is a meeting of the rec and park commissioner president buell commissioner vice president low commissioner bonilla and commissioner mcdonnell and just to note both commissioners commissioner levitan and he commissioner harrison has excused 9 and 10 will be removed from calendar item 9 is the memorandum of understanding approval and item 10 the ports insight square approval both will be coming back in september a few reminders please be advised the ringing of and use of cell phones, during the meanwhile meeting please take conversations outside and also each person commissioner has 3 minutes. >> 3 minutes. >> to comment on each item and

on about general public comment and when you make public comment please comment to the commission in order to allowing allow equal time neither the commission more staff will comment during general public comment but the staff may answer questions when did public comment is done on item 2 the president's report. >> briefly i know we'll hear more about this from staff i want to congratulate all with outlands a huge success and give me the normal kinds of challenges traffic, etc. he think everybody did an extraordinary job. >> monument to make public comment under the president's report. >> not yet. >> okay. >> you would be the first to

comment. >> i think under general public comment seeing none, public comment is closed we're on item 3 which is the general manager report. >> good morning commissioners former vacationed are just about over my kids are back in school what a great summer for rec and park a quick overview in summary we provided for 80 different that summer camps 12 thousand plus individuals participated in the camps phil our camps to 93 capacity our learner to swim programs were a huge success 4 thousand at 96 capacity those are programs to teach kids how to swim we awarded nearly 5 thousand scholarships $750,000

for all to participate participants learned on some form of skwlip one in 3 and 90 percent of the folks that took the end felt summer survey recommend rec and park exams a hearty graugsz congratulation to bob and his division for all the tremendous work bob is on his way to camp mather with 70 kids with our teen experience are a variety of underserved kids now the fifth summer we've done this what is amazing about the program several kids on the trip have been on the trip boo and working with us in the program it is a spectacular inheritance

for kids that don't spend a lot of time in nature be a little bit more on kathy know that commissioner mcdonnell just got back and but we welcomed all commissioner bonilla fantastic fantastic. >> great. >> we had over 5 thousand 5 hundred visitors in camp mather over the sum over 12 hundred cabins were rented 2 hundred and 28 seniors for the getaway weekend as i mentioned we'll have have 70 teams up on the fifth outdoor experience we've started registering our fall rummage registration is underway it is broken down into 9 thousand plus rental including scholarships with $70,000 this is a busy season for the staff

outlands maybe over for those looking to get our go music fix the recent outside festival in october and i'd like to announce and shout out to saturday in mclaren park the jerry gary's theatre hosts by friends of the amp that features four saturdays no october this weekend enjoy a soul festive kicking off at one p.m. at the a.m. pa theatre bring a branth for a appropriation on august 5th commissioner vice president low and i prarnd in the mayor's turn out at ports insight square

competitions within the supervisors and rec and park team while unmatched in spirit came up a bit short exiting the tournament after the fifthdz round. >> oh. >> we gave it our best that is what we ask the teams to do speaker the controller's office released it's bio quartering report bye for muni and, of course, our parks some interesting data san francisco residents continue to use their parks frequently in fact, more frequently than the last time the survey was taken 72 percent of san franciscans are visiting a park at least once a month 74 percent of san francisco residents rate our systems as an a or b

79 paternities gave the program an a or b and with the shaping and planting so it is nice to getty positive feedback from staff there were a lot of comments been the advantageism in parks but more on that to come our recreation practice is no way we've hired 2 hundred and 50 kids over the summer this program happens year-round for 60 years the kids get work experience along with the professionals the applications for the 2015-2016 are available inventing monday august 24th for any high school youth 14 to 18 might be working with the rec and park department at any of the centers visit j job apps.or

come and work with us in inspiration with the st. francis yacht club kids get an opportunity to sail on october 4th they'll learner the procedures and sail the water with professionals another free event parents registration on sf.org or call our number lass last but not least outlands 3 days of music, art, wine and food in golden gate park the lands festiveal was a huge success with 2 hundred and 10

thousand people with elton john and black keys and on the i'll invite my colleagues to share a little bit more detail i want to note this is such a large-scale urban event it is a huge success i want to commend and let another plan know how much we appreciate their cooperation with our agency and i want to give a big thank you to the planning staff and for their incredible work to park patrol and all our gardening and custodial crews for their efforts in pacific islander this off i want to invite mr. pearl and a another gentleman to talk

about what their perspectives are. >> thanks phil for your kind words. >> i have to start by saying while we take great pride in what our company does no way we could do this event without the teamwork of city and city hall and rec and park and all the people phil mentioned i'm being redundant it is we can't thank you for the help you give us we work as a team from the gardening staff to everyone here in answering calls it is our farther event it is such a difficult undertaking and we're very proud of that i wanted to in 8 years we've made tremendous strides i want

to give you some numbers to give you of what we go through. >> 2015 we had a total of 76 phone calls from sound to trash, that was a reduction from a hundred and 20 just in one year so there was a 37 percent reduction in total calls of 43 percent in reduction of sound calls just in one year much more over the 8 years part of that is zoo to the fact we have people in the neighborhoods the sound systems have gotten easier to adjust different speakers when we hear something depending on the weather conditions it changes between the 3 nights there's been a 58 percent in reduction in total calls since

2013 a 71 percent reduction since 2012 and 8 of since 2011 in terms of the economics of the show we had a total of 70 restaurants, 61 from the city of san francisco 61 restaurants were working at the festival showing people from all over the united states the quality of their food you know the one or two both sides of the restaurant. >> i got to stop i for a second as a note even though elton john agent that worked for him to a million festivals all the others festivals when necessary talk about their food and wine they don't light a candle you guys they do know what you do the

backdrop of all you guys that make up san francisco all the people talk about it, it is pretty needed to here people from la or boston or new york see what we do it makes us proud. >> to you. >> i was saying about the trees a nice backdrop. >> we try to take credit for that. >> it just to keep going 34 breweries 8 were located in the city of san francisco, 27 from northern california and then 37 whiners from northern california at festival when i talk about you you know we talk about hotels and we're putting together once again san francisco state it will help us put together the economic money that is brought into san

francisco we won't have have it for a few months because it is a legitimate study we're trying to analysis all the businesses including transportation and muni the lyft the uber how people get there that will be interesting to see and again, thank you it is such a privilege to do this festival. >> thank you very much. we appreciate. >> thank you, greg and sherry. >> all right. we'll wrap up the gm report by a short video this is particularly special you'll see who is married in that. >> thank you. >> my name is stacey i'm the

executive assistant with the rec and park for 27 years. >> i'll pretty much controlled the managers life we work great together at the meeting he set up the meetings and phone call and the garden and the support staff anyone that comes in the room any number of things anyone that walks in on is with a great mile i love to greet people and this is an jaufrn everyday on july 8th the rec and park welcomed the people to the tenth year the workers worked hard to upgrade the trail in partnership with 12 61 and the rec and park department commission the department hosted

the 7th award at the golden gate park it was in gardening and horticulture and men and women worked day in in and out to keep the scenes beautiful congratulations and the rec and park department hosted another year of playday at the recreation center with games for all ages and football and baseball and rock he will climbing live music this was a fun day for all out of the mark the music festival in golden gate park part of this legendary festival for the park systems citywide the next time you're in golden gate park get out to play. >> on behalf of any boss ac white that concludes my report for the general manager.

>> (clapping.) commissioner mcdonnell. >> thank you very much thank you for the report just a couple of things i want to highlight first camp mather just jim and the team the entire staff continue to do a phenomenal job the first year the course amazing, amazing amazing experience i'm looking forward to hearing how the young people going up this weekends get to enjoy it just a great job secondly, outlands phenomenal thank you to the aspirin both the music experience the food and food and beverages experience i had occasion to go for the jazz festival up until quite honestly, it's goggles

better and better i feel a need not to go to new orleans is it so not true i'm going to new orleans but atlantic beach but it is really a fantastic experience to thank you for brairng that to our city lastly the general manager i wanted to highlight another example of great partnership between supervisor farrell the mayor and the city park alliance that's the shared school yard project we've to 23 school yard and extending the amount of office space spabl to the families and as a kind plug another fundraiser next month in supports of that project so just a lot of great work happening thank you general manager. >> thank you, commissioner. >> is there any public comment under the general manager report.

>> richard. >> good morning, mr. mark buell chair. >> phil ginsburg ivory heard about the pd can't do any good at the marries ping-pong tournament i had to take offense we want to clarify the issue they had different groupings the advanced seniors and players the advanced players play out of the brill i didn't they bully everybody out of sunset and win everything in the advanced level phil was straight as the other players not as much notice there are from china rec center nun from chinese playground as to what the facility should take down their they get their butt

whipped get the record straight sunset bullies i got quite a few of the players 23, 50, 2250 upper level and 25 hundred in the ovenlgz so if we get better communication between the other facilities and get people to participate hearing d will have no choice but to go up. >> no where to go but up (laughter). >> i couldn't help remark about the concerts there would have been elton john, i remembered in the wartime the pinball wizard is that the same thing i wanted to make sure i had it right. >> is there monthly that is the

general manager report so no other public comment? okay. we're on item 4 which is general public comment up to 15 minutes continued to item 12 this time, members of the public may address the commission items of interest to the public that are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission except agenda items. with respect to agenda items, your opportunity to address the commission will be afforded when the item is reached in the meeting. each member of the public may address the commission up to three minutes. and go ahead our welcome >> commissioners. >> good morning general manager. >> my name is leno i'm the president of the united mission sorry for my voice and 15 years ago we created the golden gate park the garden of humanitarians as a fresh and one plays in the

united states i'm here for the people for people that risked their lives prosecuted by terrorists and others in this place this area we organized for student and many visitors uses beverages and tables but last time the beverages is broken now our organization can pay and install new beverages in this place but it is an emergency situation if some beverages crash the carpenter from golden gate park never fixes and takes the beverages it is easier my proposal is install new

beverages and we pay for everything we never ask some budget from city or grant from supply beautiful but we have a service to pay for this. >> thank you very much thank you, very much. >> richard. >> sorry i meant the other richard. >> i have something to ask of the commission i'm trying to help facilitate a request from dr. michael lee he is given the commissions a copy of his request there's something they've gotten completed and i talked with michael about this we were talking about percy the kind of person that goes up there and

simply telephone rp d and the lights will be fixed they were too high we had them brought down lower this is a followup that percy passed away on 4th of july that was a conversation with michael california we do about the lights currently some of the problems that are occurring michael told me the staff people are not that interested in extra hours they're not going to be there the extra hour but the facility often doesn't have me staff so if you had that extra hour i myself will enforce having that done as michael said other people that have another timelines and time schedules to continue to work out basketball and tennis along with not many

kids come out at night that has been going on for a little while now if i can help dr. lee maybe some of you like to know more about his background he works very active at the chinese rec center and trying to get him to betty honking recreation center he's very good extraordinary informed of what's going on in the community actively a rec and park kind of person endorses activities in chinatown they don't have enough tennis tournament the fellow was richard king they've gone out to san francisco state university

so not much of the organized activities required i'm asking that i personally will recommend this the center hour it is not going to cost staff time and all the department has to do is exclude a memo to the electrician to work the timer an additional hour thank you. >> richard. >> good morning, commissioners and general manager my name is richard rothman i live in district 1 across the street from cabrillo playground you know the outlands was great i got to hear elton john from mire living room and i live close enough it was great but there's a problem parking, traffic we have a richard blog and

there's about 60 posts on that not one has to do with about the sound but over 55 of them had issues with parking and even without any events out there, there is hard finding parking out there we need to come up with a plan rec and park, outlands, mta so that cars does not park in the richmond district during those events i have an idea some of the people on the blog had ideas i'm going to bring up or them up now the city of monterey with the at&t golf tourmentd if they can keep people out of the streets the other thing supervisor wiener's legislation about the hours of

closing the park and i've read it twice and it didn't say playgrounds in there i talked to scott's office he says it does i don't believe that golden gate park and cabrillo playground should be in the same requirement or same hours friends of cabrillo playground will dr. the two meetings i don't see why those hours have to come before the commission to get changed you can right now the hour or so 10 o'clock i went around the 4 playground two said 2 clock and midnight and the playground is closed when the sun goes down your inviting trouble the commission needs to look at or staff they want the friends of

cabrillo they've donated ping-pong tables wanting to sign an agreement if any thoughts stuff they donated gets damaged they have to pay for they've raised the money i don't know how much i wasn't active but they don't have the money you know to replace it and plus you know if the playgrounds open at night when their inviting trouble so that's why those two policies need to be looked at and changed thank you. >> thank you. >> watts. >> quite soon you and our associates will on the beach synthetic turnip in golden gate park all of you in theus