>> good afternoon and welcome

to the monday, october 26, 2015, regularly he meeting of the ethics commission commissioner vice president andrews commissioner hayon commissioner hur commissioner keane and all 5 commissioners are here and accounted for thank you for the opportunity to item number 2 public comment on matters powering or not poirlg on the agendas any public comments at this time? >> good afternoon, commissioners i'm dr. derrick occurring a whistle blower does it not strike you as odd in the 20-year activity history of the ethics commission not a single whistle blower not one the civil grand jury ones thinks this issue

should be examined the acting director's report has a staff plan that lists 10 topics for our consideration not one of them addresses our retaliation investigations and their failure to sustain any claims four months over the civil grand jury report without u appointed the problems that can be addressed there are no visible plans to address it. >> your draft annual report does not specify how many retaliation constraints were substantiated have to a to read between the lines and find that none were sustained. >> the annual report should periodic how many retaliation a category for that and the prominence displace of

zeros year after year might lead someone to the ethics commission to realize that something is not rights thank you very much. >> thank you. >> any other public comment? >> turning to item 3 discussion and possible action regarding exclaims received or initiated by the ethics commission concerning san francisco campaign and governmental section i think compatible activities with a possible closed session. >> ask for any public comment pertaining to agenda item 3? >> good afternoon, commissioners my name is la net

i need to shouldn't address you? >> can i address you on this item. >> i don't believe this item represents to you ms. sweet relates to our matter to a further item. >> i'm sorry my item said item 3. >> i think item 9. >> forgive me, i'm looking at something wrong. >> but we will get to yours square feet any other public comment. >> david pilpal want to

inquiry why this was separately calendar from item 9 were there other matters in closed session. >> requested it it be put non-on the calendar for personal readings otherwise would have been. >> thank you very much. >> any do i hear any motion or discussion to hear this item 3 in closed session? >> i move we hear this matter in closed session. >> second. >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> cards unanimously we will cbo into closed session. >> on item number 3.

>> (laughter). we county disclosure all right. back in public session >> ready? >> we're back if public session and commission is voted that it will not disclose the details that were discussed with in connection with item 3 but the

commission has no probable cause. >> turn to item 4 discussion and possible action regarding commission activities relate to. >> excuse me. you need to take a motion not to disclose. >> all right. we took the motion in. >> he's right you can do that in open session. >> want to make the motion. >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> pack public discussion before we vote on that hearing none the motion is carried unanimously moving to item 4 delusion and polk action regarding the commission activities towards

side expenditure lobbyist measure prop c essentially there is the number of appearances required of either the deputy director or myself as pretty well well dwindled to store with the election only a little over a week away and so i really have nothing to report other than to say a number of sessions in the earlier part of october. >> any public discussion on that turning to item 5 discussion and possible action on an annual report for fiscal year 2014-2015 and the interim

decoration has a draft report any members of the commission have any discussions or comments concerning the draft report? >> yes. >> commissioner vice president andrews thank you, thank you very much for the work i appreciate it i have a couple of comments maybe a decision or a stylistic something well, one piece is stylistic under the budget on page 11 we list out fiscal year from 1994 to 2014-2015 and that's our budget and i'm wondering if it serves us better to have what we approved compared to what we spent generally in an annual report you'll put out the

expenditures sometimes, you'll match it against budget tussles against budget is this what we spent or approved for . >> this was the actual budget so the actuals are a little bit different but pretty much in line the numbers are a little bit off about 10 thousand bucks so we could put at least for this year do the comparison budget. >> yeah. it is great to have a budget and see well, you did and the other thing a choice generally so to speak the governing documents particularly an annual report is a reflection in the past years and then you usually have another foundational organizational document that is forwarded to a

stwraej plan have we always put in the forward thinking thing to be careful i understand we may be mandated or mandated ourselves to taking care of some of those things but generally mixing the past with the future and usually save those for other document that possible provides for context why you're doing what you're doing. >> in the past the future initiate has been included i tried to be careful given the sort of where we are as a commission so i said instead of will focus that happened in the past we put may focus and identifies some of the things on the work plan you guys opted in the spring but the ongoing things that are continuing to make sure but i would think that you know within the next few

months sort of the ed position is settled a similar work plan type things to establish that what happens for the next year's. >> i'm fine i generally it a is decision an organizational decision. >> any thing. >> a suggestion mr. chair in regards to page 5 we have the reference in the second paragraph to you're putting prop c on the ballot i think that you're putting something on ballot is important to put in a couple of more things i'll suggest a couple of more things this is where that says at the june 2015 meeting the commission voted to place 24 from the 2015

ballot i'd like it so is that at the june 29, 2015, meeting after a hearing and after public interesting persons the dimension unanimously voted to place it on the ballot is seems like an afterthought to put something on the ballot i'd like to show the fair amount of consideration as interest was it was a lot of discussion interested persons hearing and then the vote was unanimous. >> sure. >> i have second commissioner keanes comment about the last part of it but troubled by the way the freaking in the first part sounds like it was ad hoc

idea of commissioner keane coming out of the blue and i think we ought to put a little bit history in it we were specifically asked by the commission to look at i think we start with the requirement of former prop j which has been gutted and your when you came back with your report it was decided that well, we'll focus just on the expenditure lobbyist provisions putting off the other ones for future date so that i think it should show the number of mergers this subject matter that was prop c came in play i think you know

that the principle objection that that raised against prop c by it's opponent was this was something done in the middle of the night no public input and that it was nobody was given a chance to discuss it which is just contrary to the facts you don't want to put into anything into the report that has credence to that concept so i strongly suggest we that paragraph be expanded and redrafted along the lines we've discussed i have a question related to that where there is a discussion about the meeting at which mr.

steiner and mr. cook testified i don't think that was limited to specific item that received to there i know this prop c what became prop c was part of discussion at this time and that's what we referred to as the hearings was the fact that because i think it was at the time commissioner keane made his report that set up the public meeting with professor cook and mr. stern. >> that's correct mr. chair we discussed the matter itself going forward with the expenditure lobby requirement over the course of two hearings two of these

hearings and in between a number of interested persons hearings and quite a bit of baej on behalf of members of the public of the organizations like finances of ethics and the civil grand jury i'll will concur with the chair it is where the way it is proposed it is almost put down like a throw away line finally an ad hoc committee and commissioner stephenson development the proposal and all of a sudden a light bulb went off over high head we don't get another two sentences about why c is on the ballot let's put in some full history, sir. >> fine with me

i would say. >> when does this have to be filed. >> annually we can bring it back next week month are designate to the chair and approve the final language. >> i think that is a good suggestion. >> any other comments on the ethics report the other comment i have is on the future initiatives as you recall one of the future initiatives that was discussed and the whistle blower possible changes to the language and, in fact, i know commissioner hur at sometime in

the future will divide this report concerning that. >> that's right mr. mini or the and i are working on it. >> that so be in there and there should be the language or the charge that was given to commissioner keane concerning looking at prop j and the related issues that put off and just deal with the expenditure lobbyists. >> that's ongoing that will surface next year mr. chair. >> i will suggest to include those in there. >> do i hear a motion to approve the draft other than the sentences made subject to my approval, however, you want to

word it. >> i'll move about that we adopt the changes subject to the final approval by the chair. >> second. >> public discussion? >> good evening, commissioners charley here representing f o e we have several comments and some of it my require background i'll quickly go through them get our pencil and paper handy you'll do start sounding like a teacher when our doing you're this type of a document it's an opportunity for you to pitch your ideas and what it is you're doing to the public so the public gets a sense of who you are and what you're doing and what you know they're getting for their money

to be candid it is a research document it is also good for auditing in the past there was a guy that went from department to department and he was originally what the city attorney's office and went into business writing annual reports those are standard item palates with a basically good public relations tenure an approach i think he was, in fact, more of a pr consultant at this point i'm not suggesting you put that hat on your supported supposed to be objective no mention in our understand you mentioned thirty thousand intact and the signs you actually didn't include the hundred and 91 k decision that is are increasing that number

whether it is realized that ball is not out of your hands and city hall for collection also there were, in fact, 10 hearings or hearing like processes regarding prop c so you did a very robust outreach on prop c you held numerous interested persons meeting you held public sessions during our mooefrgz on monday night nights and so you were quite aggressive in outreaching to the public and it is important for the public to understand that thing is not going to the ballot explicit occur out of the blue but methodology behind it i support both the chairman and the schains comments on that also in general you've done a

lot of robust looking at outreach and you should note to the public those efforts and those improvements because that is what you're here for to outreach to the public ultimately and to talk to your bosss the citizens of the city you also basically taken up the question of prop j and you planned to study is that should be noted in the report. >> timer is on. >> i'll try to pass this on they don't know it as well i do but mr. pilpal has some comments in the meantime, i'll brief someone there is 4 more points thanks. >> thanks. >> i guess i'm next david pilpal speaking as an avoid a number of comments the logo is

off centered it is driving me nuts and page one puts jesz i didn't see name under chair renee that is appropriate rather than in the beginning rather than the end and put the date on the cover and be sure not to send to the mayor and board but two copies to the library on a couple of points i agree with our discussion about prop c i would actually audio additional this will there is a reference to the at the end of the report to prop c it didn't tie is it back there was discussion later on in the report about the whistle blower report from the civil grand jury but nothing i saw about last year's civil grand jury report and the additional follow-up that was sent to i

think tying this back to the other civil grand jury wants and the commission and staff made as a result is good would be good let's see - i was interested in this other section on the whistle blower ordinance a disclosure there was a whistle blower investigation conducted i didn't know that beforehand and not sure what the results were so how much more you can say about that but where there's an opportunity to make a disclosure after the fact of the result of the investigation without companionship the sources would be good to do so. >> the chart about the budget fiscal year 08, 09 didn't have

09. >> and the discussion about the staff didn't completely track to the organization chart so where are the titles whatever the title of the individual that should be properly rescued in both cases instead of discretions there with regards to each program that is some quantity active discussion of the number of accounted and the amount of fees and understand but not consistent on page 5 under the permit consultant section out of 90 ports 22 after the deadline explicit indicate how much was assessed in late fees or collected for each the programs i would include how many people recorded and how much was received and how much etc., ect there was a cumulative

executive report in terms of quantity and has an equal active analysis but want the consequent active on the investigations and enforcement i would add a chart similar to the chart in the monthly a.d. report for june 30th, 2014, what was then pending what were all the transactions during the reporting period of 2014-2015 how many complaints were received or initiated in each category and how many resolved and remaining as of june 2015 a cumulative total and all the activity didn't disclosure the specifics but the information about the investigations and enforcement i think there was one other typo i'll look for it awhile you're hearing from the next speaker thank you.

>> thanks. >> eileen form commission thank you i have a number of comments i appreciate that this is a first draft and i guess my first suggestion would be that this come back to the commission at the next meeting so that similar work could be done on the report and take public comment before you finalize that and in the interest of time i'll start at the back with future initiatives and as some of the previous comments have been stated i'm looking for more robust a more robust report and more specifics both in what we've done because and i think there is more that you have done not shouldn't say we but more

that could be recorded on i keep looking for specifics and don't see the specifics your conversation about prop c is indicative of that but in terms of future initiatives i look at this list at the commission has a commitment to being more robust and a commitment to taco taking on more items yet i don't see those here for example, you stayed hire a permanent deputy director that's true what is also true the signal potentially of a large cultural shift in the organization more than hiring but looking at the commission as a whole it is making sure that staff morale is paying attention and what pro-active initiatives to take under the able to take under a new director

i wonder specific for example, about the process of digging what gowns to future initiatives for example, at the last commission meeting complaints and whether or not it would be important to the commission to look at the process of hearing complaint for example, complaints are filed have a bearing on the upcoming election is there a way to take those complaint maybe out of order because if there are not decides on until after the campaign season is over almost who is the point so various commissioners concurred with my suggestion that that process be looked at so that ought to be kept track of somewhere and put on this list of potential future initiative there are a number of on the

public has said that outreach in general from the commission is insufficient what to we want to do to create a more robust outreach program and robust in looking at policy initiatives and as opposed to to waiting for legislation to come to the commission i have others but i'll stop there. >> thank you. >> good evening with the friends of ethics coming this late in the process i'll repeat a couple of things but say them quickly one is what you've said about the discussion of measure c how measure c go the to the ballot i phrase it as four listens but 8 lines talking about the interns we what the interns have done i think that as you look at it, it is not

just making sure that it includes everything you've talked about that was a robust public discussion you all were involved and you passed it unanimously but also how it is seen in relation to the other activities that was one of the biggest steps in the past year and seeing this was outstanding i was going to talk about the fines seem low in terms of $38,000 and the one i will talk about and mr. pilpal talked about it i tend to be a data person so i want to see the data and right now it is all in narrative you, you might think about the charts steady and the annual report you'll see it the 3 to 5 year tread line if you look at all the programs not just some but all the

requirement how their implemented and what fines or enforcement actions if you watch a trendline for three or four years it will tell you a whole looting lot of how the commission is, acting and the programs successful or enforceable and where you have problems there should be looked at we know that one of the things for example, to use an example 10 years the budget when you look at the budget the budget is fairly flat i say what time i've heard so much over the past years i've dealt with the ethics commission that they always can't get things done because not enough staff why are we asking not for enough money for staff those kind of things out of the trend

analysis the thing you'll add in terms of future activities is i did think there was some action on our part or interest on your part in hiring a commission secretary and so maybe you want to think about 3 putting that out as as action and i'll finish at one point we have multi lingual forms and pamphlets you talked about and it is in english we need multiple language issues thank you very much. >> thank you. >> good evening, commissioners just a couple of other points to add to what has already been said one of the things that is recognizable to friends of ethic

a robust effort to do a little bit more outreach but certainly could be more to units and develop trust with unions one of the things that has not been mentioned in the annual report the conversion to the electronics in the way of 7 form seven hundred important inform show the things that are accomplished in a short period of time that is especially important to building the trust not only with the units but the community of san francisco and to help change the image of the ethics commission is very important so thank you. >> is there any additional public comment there's a motion i'll call the

>> i. >> opposed? that motion carries unanimously. >> turning to item number 6 session of acting executive director report. >> sir. >> just as submitted nothing we're in the middle of campaign time so a lot going on i'll be happy to answer any questions. >> commission have any questions or comments? >> mr. mini or the on point number ten sounds like discussion at the citywide about moving a lot of city departments on two years can you talk about

in the way of background some of the meetings you've sat in ultimately. >> i can summarize what benefits but. >> i haven't sat in many mergers the day before this report we got a call from the mayor's office that telling us told you we're one of 37 departments they've chosen to or the next step in getting all the city departments on the two year plan we had a brief discussion that was the first time but well, i know about the general motion but the first time one of the designated departments so the mayor's office we have a pending meeting to talk with the budget analyst but especially the most interesting the way the

second year budget might be sort of changed a little bit as ongoing needs change but essentially putting in last year a proposal for two years and their saying it is an essential fix. >> in many ways i understand that can hamstring you particularly when our advocating for more resources we've heard from the public it is an ongoing issue talking about resources that is a priority for me, the commission secretary i'm pay attention to and specifically as we move forward with the permanent executive director i'll want to prioritize how we identify how we advocate for the true needs of the commission and obviously there would be a window of opportunities somewhere in the period we can

do advocacy but certainly having to put if a two year budget certainly it diminishes our opportunities to year by year but it will have to be quiet strategy moving forward. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> turning to item 7 items for future meetings. >> commissioners oh, public comment on the director's report i'm sorry. >> dipdz actually both my comments are recommend to budget on item 10 i'll hope once you select a new director reis public discussions about direction initiatives where we're going with that and in particular to the december to

february not just a budget proposal for the january meeting with adoption without discussion this is the year we need two commission mergers to talk about the ideas and in terms of the budget requests i hope you'll plan so all of us can be involved that was item 10 on item 9 i'm hoping as part of budget work for next year the staff has an opportunity to reorganize the sub object codes i think that commissioner keane remembers the object in the budget system because those really the break out for refers go to older programs not with the public consultant and the other newer items it is helpful for you perhaps for the public to see for each program what the fees and fines are and then you

know if there's a small amount for other but a large section for other ethics fines and allocated so for each program again even have or create budget revenue sub objects that would be helpful for reporting issues no issue two small thank you very much>> i. less than hanson on page go i guess it is number 3 campaign disclosure program i'm wondering if it is possible under status to have any more information we have a non, one of the filers is at small claims

court no information on the others this is the but other previously have raised the one hundred $99,000 forfeiture of supervisor farrell that will be helpful for o for the public to understand where it is along with the other ones and if there is someway to report on where they are in process i think that would be useful to the public on the next page 9 the report we say that we have received 56 percent of anticipated revenues and yet we're in october so i'm wondering if there is a plan to receive the remaining revenues because of how the budget works they'll comment at the end of

the year with the revenue or do we interrupt that interpret that we're in trouble with the 56 percent of anticipated revenues and it will be useful to compare that to expenditures so we understand an issue with being short on revenues next page number 11 under outreach and education i spoke earlier to the need for more robust outreach this second paragraph says that an e-mail invitation was sent to 50 union representatives to sign up for be in 0 the commissions i p list i understood that was a significant effort to reach out to nonprofit as well as unions as you may know that's the issue around practicing they're not outreached to and i disagree with some of my colleagues in

terms of having robust outreach around prop c many, many nonprofits did not know this process was with going on and substantial they're running a fairly robust program against prop c i'm curious if we did the outreach to nonprofit or unions i think this is a great idea i know we're hold on putting dates until write a have an executive director once we moved on that that will filed in and every month a report on how we're reporting on the process on that calendar thank you. >> i think just to respond to the outreach my understanding is that acting director did send you p notices or innovations to

a number of organizations not only to the unions; is that correct. >> we're saying that it outs on a month basis we started with political groups which was we sent out notices to about 60 that includes a few nonprofits the next source of information we have is the unions and so, now we should have, in fact, the list is probably on my desk but a list of nonprofits that will happen we had to take it in chunks 50 to 60 groups that we're sending it out to at one time. >> okay. thank you. >> let's your honor, i don't think there is any public comment. >> oh, is there more. >> charley again

let's see i'm sure in the delinquent accounts that person maybe has to writ up a report maybe quarterly or something to his supervisors to keep the supervisors abreast and staff you might tap into that those documents may not be public but something you might be able to have personally i'm sure they'll trust you on outreach similar sound-producing electronic devices are prohibited at this meeting. planning department maintenance a appliance a very large database on community organization because their outreach under ceqa particularly has to be extremely robust so you might be able to tap into their preexist list or their database and do a solicitation for people people that want to

be kept abreast in the letter to indicate to those people you have power to pout initiatives on the palate this is the opportunity for those orchestras to come and keep themselves advise of what you're doing since you have those unusual powers that most people don't think of. >> any other any public comment? >> turning next to item 7 items for future meetings commissioners suggestions or comments. >> i do want to make sure we have a continued discussion i don't know if? the right time but at least to think about a commission secretary and a job description or start doing drafts of some of the work that will fall under that position

and i just would rather be prepared if there, there was a funding opportunity we'll submit it and be well prepared in understanding what the roles of responsibility are and even doing a little bit of this may happen over time found out the responsibilities of other commission secretaries i'm sure the police commission secretary is busy but just to get an understanding of the position would do and the roll tail play. >> i'd like to second i know that is not a motion but i agree the idea of us having secretary is important we should have secretary having the reference of the police commission jet i was on the police commission we relied very much on the

commission secretary and would recycle to in the things that the police commission secretary did they will particularly the activities we do in terms of investigations of individuals what the status of those investigations are where they are now what complaints have been come in and how the staff has been responding to those complaints we should have secretary it is a big vacuum i think there should be someone who assists us not part of the staff itself and not certainly like for years relying upon the past executive director to fill that role and others roles was a big mistake and wound up losing a lot of the

conference of the public and this commission we could get a lot of that back if we had secretary. >> a couple one thing i'll add thinking about when we should have a couple of mergers to talk about the budgets it was raised in the public i know altercation we did it i one meeting but that modesty make sense to have two do on analysis and have it come back to us. >> did you want to talk about the meeting schedule you mentioned that i'm not sure. >> well, you mean the november? >> well, i was going to discuss the meeting but that relates to item number ten.

>> yeah. actually, if i could it maybe helpful to talk about the november regular meeting and when you want to meet at this time. >> the question for the commission is a regular meeting is scheduled for november 23rd i believe it is which is the week monday of the week of thanksgiving and i'd ask the city attorney chin to pull the board to see whether or not you'd be available if you wanted to reschedule that meeting for november 20th. >> which a friday. >> right specifically the afternoon a friday the 20th we'll have a potential meeting between one and 5 on that day. >> right. >> a couple of commissioners have respond and a couple haven't so just precede with the

regular meeting. >> it wasn't clear i'm available on the 20th if it is a regular meeting he prefer the evening but available either date. >> i prefer the regular meeting as calendar. >> pardon me. >> i prefer the regular meeting. >> on the 21st. >> either date the 20 or the 23 i thought the 20th was the a choice for the other meeting. >> that was a date. >> i guess i didn't understand you were asking to make that an alternative egg meeting but the 20th or the 23 is fine. >> if i heard the commissions we have that meager on the 23 despite of the fact it is a thanksgiving week. >> yes. for me. >> all right. thank you for the clarification >> we'll go now keep that

possible november 20th date if it is necessary after our november 13th meeting. >> hang onto that date as well okay. thank you. >> so i wanted to say i chair i have a red eye on the 23 so i object to be part of meeting but interested in making that red eye as well. >> when you say red and how red is that eye. >> 11. >> you'll make that. >> i'm a 10:30 to 9 will i make that. >> (laughter) item 7 i mean 8. >>. >> future items i'm sorry. >> david pilpal as individual two things i appreciate the discussions about the november meeting you might want to have a

similar meeting about the december to hold that at the regiment of december and that impacts the two dissuasions possible about the budget if you don't have a regular meeting you'll figure it out in general on the items for future meetings the minute capture the discussion but i've not found a place those items get put whether in the work plan or the reporting or just on a list of things that have been requested that are calendar or may happen in the next 6 months over and over in the future if you can figure out a way to capture those things last month you captured the enforcement and now the secretary and other things a place to capture those for the staff and public that will be nice thank you. >> ill lien hanson i'll suggest

for future 3450egz one as we've talked about the discussion of outreach, two discussion about the complaint process and for me what is involved in the complaint process i think there is review a number of things but the information that is reported out once the report is resolved and recorded to the public and two whether the commission is proactively taking a stance to be pro-active about complaints so instead of waiting for complaints to arrive they commission is there something that appears in public that the commission or the member or two of the commission feels is important to review that is something that the commission prioritize so i'm not sure i

made myself clear but rather than being enlightenment driven the commission is looking at what is happening politically in the city and there's something that the commission feels is important to investigate you don't wait for a complaint you take that on yourselves which we know the commission can do but doesn't generally happen 3 the unanimous report again, i'd like to ask that will calendared next meeting for more public comment before it is finalize and four typically in past years i don't know the last time it happened an annual retreat at the beginning of the year to determine the priorities of the commission that is appoint and necessary with a new executive director the time for the commission to meet with the executive director to determine

the provided and get to know each other and a public meeting a half day or full day to get some of the leaguer discussions at least a beginning of what you could take on in our calendar in the year how many large policy items can you handle how many smaller items to map out the year together thank you. >> back to e liens point she made a good one it is rather amazing to see major things come up in the press and then he called the executive director and say the commission investigating that they said no complaint because the public finds is confusing we the major

nonprofit investigative report in the oppress and not see their local government taking some kind of an action or particularly interested now in the past we were under resources i'm not sure we have a lot of resourcing now to do robust pro-active investigation but this is something for the budget and that's some something for the new ed and this question is a good one for the ed as well as here to for you don't respond i've been told many times we don't initiate you have to summit and complaint i can't tell you how many i have over 20 years. >> eileen i apologize. i left out one of the items that are

important to me the complaint review eir the investigations on enforcement that is the process and the procedures and the timing so back to the issue of if there are complaints filed may have a bearing on the rums of an election will or there is some procedure and policy to take those ahead of others complaints that are filed first thank you. >> turning to the minutes of the september 28, 2015, meeting. >> commissioners have any additions or corrects corrections i have one i may have said that i don't

recall and you turn under item 6 discussion and possible action regarding the commissions search. a new executive director in the third paragraph has me stating mr. president, will be provided with 13 questions for the if i said that that is a miss statement they were provided with 4 questions and 13 questions that were given to commissioner vice president andrews and myself to use as our basis for questioning the candidates so this should reflect that is what i should have said if i didn't other than that i'm happy with the minutes

>> toddo i hear a motion. >> second. >> and public comment? >> david pilpal several items on item 2 towards the bottom i believe d event has two ns only page 3 the discussion about the ed search that is the committee the commission a committee of the commission i don't think that is a subcommittee but a committee i suggest those references are the research committee on page four my public comment on item 8 i think it needs an a there dipped stated she was a great employee she'll be missed other than it makes me sound eastern europe pan on page 5 in the closed session and this is a

comment i made relative to the previous minutes the reference that ed left the hearing room at 748 didn't make clear what items he didn't participate in for items 1, 2, 3 not 4 and 5 by in the previous paragraph all commissioners, etc. remained in the hearing he building that should say commissioners commissioner renne commissioner hur and commissioner hayon since the other two commissioners were a little bit from the meeting it needs to reflect two were present in closed session for each item. >> i suggest we make as changes to the minutes. >> so moved. >> second. >> call the question on the

amended minutes as amended. >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> of approval. > opposed? their unanimously approved turn to item 9 which is discussion and possible action regarding the complaints initiated by the ethics commission refers thave complaints and the questions first is whether or not we should discuss those in closed session. >> excuse me. schooerp in terms of the public comment before closed session i'll make one suggestion to take public comment on items 9 and 10 together so if people want to make public comment on item 10 they can noted have to stick around. >> i'll deal with 9 and then

10. >> i apologize. >> i thought i'd take one one at the time but tale with both 9 and 10 assuming the commission votes to take both in closed session. >> thank you very much. >> dough hear a motion. >> and move we go into closed session one at that time for item 9 a second. >> any discussion are public comment? >> david pilpal something i'm confused we saw ms. square feet and commissioner renne you made a comment about item will 9 i belive at the last commission meeting there was to be a hearing on the merits regarding ms. sweet at the was continued

by the request of the respondent mom and dad's that hearing on the merits was still before the commission am i confused has b there been subsequent events you can't zero. >> you may be right because your refreshing my recollection that it is not on the agenda. >> thank you. >> that's correct commissioner renne experienced the investigation so this is not one of the items 9 on the merits we'll hear at the next meeting or at some point in the future and i was mistaken it was. >> it's okay. so a question is ms. sweet clear of that about

this she was here earlier. >> yeah. i don't think i'm at liberty to talk about why she tenant but she's clear about the action. >> okay. i don't think i have anything else and not know what those are about you'll take up item 10 before closed session. >> correct. >> thank you. >> i'll turn to item well, i'll call this. >> sorry a quick comment on 9 two questions he guess one is if you could do our best to let us know we'll be waiting to come back how long to wait that will be helpful and two i believe there is a public interest in knowing the decision you make so i'll just ask you to report out as much as you feel comfortable

at the last commission meeting those of us who were here were told you county report on some items but that there would be a report on the website the next day or shortly it was confuse to me why you county report to the mbes members of the public that are here but report publicly on the website so if you can clarify that i'll appreciate it. >> so i building what we intend to do subject to how did commissioners feel to the extent that we for example, didn't disclosure the discussions in item 3 i think it was 3, yes, but he did give the ultimate conclusion of the discussions

that was the disposition to the extent with those four items we will do so. >> i appreciate that i guess under those anything you intend to disclosure pub it is at some future point let me clarify let's say for this on the website i made a decision tonight but you're not saying there's mount difference if there is something to disclose you'll disclosure is tonight. >> this question when we anticipate to come back i suppose my guess would be what 815 what time is our fight and it's 10:30 so 815 sounds great it won't be before 815 by close

to that. >> okay. thank you. >> no further comment i'm call the question. >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> we go into closed session. >> you mean approved we'll go into closed session item 10 a discussion and possible action regarding the commissions appointment of a new executive director do i hear a motion whether that should go into closed session. >> so moved. >> second. >> public discussion. >> dipped it if you explain to

the public what your attention with item 10 my understanding i had a first round of interviews at the committee with 5 applicants i don't know if you're discussing those or having further interviews or you talked about having a subsequent meeting on september 20th i'm trying to understand so i can inform others at this time. >> is intention to simply provide the commissioners with the resumes and background of the individuals who we are invite to meet with the full commission on november 13th. >> 13 okay. >> and that we are keeping open november 20th if for some reason the commissioners feel

they want some further meetings concerning the hiring of on executive director part of the question is that of we arrive at the decision on the 13 there has to be some communication it will be the candidates and h.r. to work out the details before we can announce we've hired a new executive director but the we contemplate arriving at a decision hopefully on the 13th. >> okay. >> that may not be a public disclosure prior to november 20th or 23. >> if i suggest if you've made a choice that you've made a choice not who the individual is

until the final acts and announce that on the website or whatever so the fact of a selection would be good news and welcome to the all of us you okay. >> so i hope you'll share the information with the other commissioners and city in the next three weeks with a new director that would be excellent. >> thank you. is there any additional public comment i'll call the question emphasize of going into closed session with the item 10 which is includeed in my estimate of 815 or 8:30 going back into closed >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? unanimously carried we'd like to go into closed e and

transportation committee occurring on october 26, 2015 will begin shortly. >> good afternoon. i want to welcome you to the regular meet ofg land use and transportation. my name is malia cohen and the chair the committee and to the right is supervisor scott wiener and jane kim will join us. i like to thank sf gov tv, jim smith and [inaudible] to asest with todays broadwast >> please silence all cell phones and electronic devices. [inaudible] submit today the clerk. items will appear on the november 3 board