officer testifies in the witness stand and doesn't have a clear recollection the officer is [inaudible] thank you. >> sorry twice we had to cut you off. is there further public comment? >> i will be brief and recap a lot of [inaudible] commissioner president loftus, [inaudible] and members the community. my name is tony mon toya a san francisco police sarge squnt a police officer for 28 years the

last 22 with san francisco and a member of the san francisco police officer association. in my 28 years we have seen lots of changes but the one thing that hasn't changed is officers need to prepare the most accurate and complete statement in a police report. we heard tonight is transparency, accountability and best practice. what you have here is well thought out policy present today and on behalf of the police department. it is a very thorough and comp hnsive policy and all these things i mentioned are covered in the pos. the policy is transparent. there is accountability and it does follow best practices as you herds tonight from some of the

testimony. i hear supplemental report and that is true, what i don't want people to misunderstand is sup lltal report covers new information. a cam raw is real time information captured at the time of the incident. i know people are concerned about the caught you, that isn't our concern here, our concern is being transparent, accountable and follow breast practices. by allowing officers to review the video prior to report uget a more accurate, detailed and neuro accounting that is what is taught day one. the video is what the video is. the officer dudant taylor the testimony on the video. they can't manipulate or change it. >> is there further public comment? now is your chance.

okay. hearing none, public comment is closed. i'll see if commissions want to thank-i'll just say i am grateful for the thoughtfulness the comment and the amount of time taken and resunch done. we will go at the next meeting november 4 and deliberate the issues. we are not taking action but you can watch on sfgtv on line. final comments bf we wrap up? >> i may not be on the november 4 meeting. i am scheduled to be out of town and hear the community member jz police officers and reading this stuff. i have to say the body camera issue is bringing clainge to the department and to the public and change can be difficult but it is the new 41

tear and struggle to find where we start with the policy. i understand also when officers act quickly on the street that there-it is adrinian and quick decision making and it is dark but they have been doing that for a long time and make the split second decision. i think in a way we sell the officers short in terms of their experience and their memory and they are the first person witness. i think it is important as the primary first witness we have a report from these officers from their own independent memory and it sounds like the secondary witness is the camera and the camera dependented where it is focused and what it captures is limited. there are good arguments about whether you catch with a thch video and adopts the camera and leave out his own independent

recollection. there is something to be said both sides but we sell the officers short their their own memory isn't as [inaudible] the other thing i want to say is usually the initial report is it. it is the primary report and supplementals don't normally come along but that may be the new realty of a initial report and supplemental report back to back after the incident unfolds. it is something to think about. that is not a dire thing just maybe a new thing. what i don't understand is auchser given voluntary statement or called in internal affairs, weknow they can be compelled. so i guess i need clarity. if i understand this right right now there is a voluntary statement and may not make a voluntary statement in the future y. think we are

projecting on that because every case is different and the officer are represented by attorneys i imagine the attorneys ropet the officer to the best oof their ability and what is best for the interest of that officer so that argument for the future of projecting isn't very clear how that falls here. the only thing i can deem from that is whether or not the district attorney can use the voluntary statement in a investigation and/or crimial investigation. i don't think that is our focus here. our focus here is what is best for the department, what is best for the public in termoffs the new technology we are using and the trarns paerns we seek so we don't have misunderstanding between the department and public so not that concerned what the da can do the voluntary statement. the issue is transparency and it is this new and challenging horizing we are looking at, so

those are just initial comments on those thoughts. the other thing i want to say is the officers can view the camera accept for dwocircumstances, possibly 3. officer involved shootings, criminal investigation and perhaps use of force. 3 very explicit carve outs we are talk about and very serious carve outs so i think we need to give thought about having the primary witness statement and a supplemental report if one is necessary. those are my comments. >> i think commissioner dejesus brought up a good point. given the issues arisen are around viewing the video foot mg and how that may impact the a investigation i sent a letter to the district attorneys office and asked for their opinion on that as well. just for folk tooz know they are

invited to give feedback. other closing comments? >> i want to thank commander mozeier for leading a excellent task force and the thank the members of the working group. a lot attended the meetings and come out to all the meetings and delivered a excellent product for us to work on and just want to emphasize, i think we from everybody and want to thank for expressing their opinion but think the difference going forward are smaller than we think because i think in essence we agree on what to do on 99 percent the cases included public defender office. 99 percent the cases officer should be allowed to view the video. i dopet think that is in dispute. we are talk a small percentage of the critical incidence where the officererize not the rorbting officers but the victim or a

witness to the the crime. those are the times we look at perceptions should be recorded and i'm back and force on this because i thij transs paerns is a big issue and the challenge for those that thing they should view the vid you in all cases there is a feeling from the public of a lack of traens paerns. if we feel the reason we are doing body cameras is prove the public the excellent work they are doing, how do we address the lack of traens paerns if they are able to view the video prior to the investigation. i am struck by mr. halrens comments and think it is reasonable to say officers will not give the voluntary statement. i think the idea of giving a supplemental statement may not pan out because the auchs

officers have no incentive to give the voluntary statement. i think that is there challenge to folks not to view in advance to work athround idea officers won't give statements as they have done in san francisco and san francisco is the exception to the rule nationally and perhaps a model for officer cooperation in these incidence. that is the challenge and see going forward. >> thank you commissioner. doctor joe >> the only thing i will say is we appreciate the public for everything they said. appreciate the task force [inaudible] delved into this. we have a binder full of reports from everybody so look forward to the discussion and will craft something should we

hope will satisfy everybody. >> any closing comment from my colleagues? okay. sergeant call the next line item >> line item 3 ajunment. >> do i have a motion to adjourn? all in favor? motion passes we are adjourned. thank you everyone. rescheduled

meeting we should have had odd for the oversight committee october 15, 2015 i'm yee, the chairman and to my right is supervisor -- we would like to acknowledge the staff at sgtv, jim smith and leo who record each of our meetings and make the transcripts available to the public online. before we get started, colleague, can i get a motion to excuse the supervisor christensen who won't be able to come to this meeting today. >> yes. >> no objection, the motion passes. madam clerk, do you have announcements? >> yes, please silence all cell phones and electronic