carries g request an interrogation to modified the grant agreement with the self-help for the self-help for the ad r.c. from jill one 2015 to june 30th, 2015, in the additional amount of one hundred ti thousand dollars plus a 10 percent contingency not to exceed amount of 6 hundred and 71 thousand plus. >> can i have a motion to discuss. >> so moved. >> second. >> okay. >> so for self-help 3 sites two in chinatown and one in the sunset area so this money will be used to bring our positions up again to full-time position and adding an additional ftes shared amongst the 3 sites a

floater within the two sites. >> okay any questions? maybe a summary statement how much full-time staff and how many are increased. >> so each sites as had a points 8 ftes so we're increasing two a one full fte and alexander an additional one we're addressing adding one .6 across the two sites. >> okay. any other questions. >> the math probably works it seems like a significantly large budget item than similar appropriations for other agencies is there any difference in compensation model or

overhead or something that contributes to a bigger cost per increase. >> i'm not an expert i think there increased fringe benefits bringing people up to full-time fte and agency and sites by agency i'll not be able to answer an analysis that is more for budget to answer i'm sorry, i do know there is more indirect cost because - >> what agency. >> depends upon the agency. >> my question is this. >> i won't be able to answer that. >> the total cost. >> a significant bigger bump for other agencies that seems like a lot of money trying to understand the justification for - >> is it. >> it is more do i believe and

you're adding less than two additional people in other cases you're bringing people up to one it looks like a lot of money for one agency. >> i know i'll not be able to offhand with self-help i'll not be able to answer that question than with some the contracts they're adding indirect costs with the initial budget with last year that maybe the reason but i'd have to get back with you. >> someone here from budget that can perhaps answer the question. >> we have two sites just with

this. >> ohio commissioners and director we're adding a one like - because in the beginning they have a larger amount that's why we're adding the one full-time employee and then the two - yes i don't have full answer of that maybe i can collect the information from the contractor but they're adding the full-time employee and commissioners.

>> they're going from 2.4 to 4 across the 3 locates so and the question from commissioner sims it that that increase which is about - more than doubled even though you're not doubling the number of staff perhaps once you get full-time employees benefits go up and other costs for them this is the understanding the question that is being asked if you don't have it that's okay. >> also look at it there is an increase of supervisor costs we're adding another fte florida there is costs it is a combination this is it is probably all legitimate i'm uncomfortable with the explanation a. >> please.

thank you. >> good morning. i'm martha petersen in looking at how thirty this model has been budgeted it look like roughly with you increase 4.2 ftes for each agency that comes out to roughly $31,000 across the board, however, with self-help we are doing that 2 it is $31,000 for each position getting increased but for self-help we're spreading it across 8 positions the grand total is one point of people total ti thousand dollars if you look at that's how much self-help is charging when you - it is actually coming out less than how we been compensating other agencies so for the amount of people that are increasing the amount of staff it is less than what we

are giving me to other agencies so - >> so if i understood it is normally 31 thousand thorough a .2 ftes your you increasing if you multiply by that it is much more. >> across the entire model it looks like it is more but there is more staff increased so it looks like in the scale is larger it is actually no does that help. >> yes. >> question talked about funder go sites at this time with the self-help. >> there are 3 sites. >> 3 oh. >> yes. >> any other questions is that clear. >> yes. thank you. >> public comment at this

time? okay >> i'm looking at the budget and from last year to this year i see where the increase is going with the catholic charities i've increased their staff if you look at the line item they've added a new person from a $17,000 person to a $36,000 person and 33 salary to 36 and thirty thoughts to 36 so my calculations i'm not sure what they were talking about is more than one .6 increase in ftes the way the salaries with written on the budget page and then ramp went up to. >> i'm sorry what. >> rent by 21 thousand that's a different figure if year to

year. >> any - are we waiting for the budget committee any comments from the budget committee at this time? >> oh. >> commissioner sims has a question also so. >> she mentioned the rental property from 7 thousand to 11 thousand plus it is a $4,000 difference. >> commissioners and she mentioned the rental property there's by angle average of $4,000 along those lines he was

comparing the previous operation items and some of them identify the property rent-controlled units equipment for this one i was wondering if i'm missing something in terms of property rentals across other agencies. >> hi i can't answer that. >> it is how they budget it those sites have different budget may not charge represent it is the difference across the board in how agencies account for those things. >> okay. >> is there answer from the budget committee on - oh, commissioner sims question. >> i cannot help but feel my understanding was that staff would be pretty well addressed

from case report it sounds like as though it there were extended dial around controversy and some level of debate around some of those budget allocation i don't feel that staff is as prepared to present some of the things as i thought they might be so i'm age concerned. >> i think that the first concern was that everybody that all of the sites go from where we were .8 to one full-time person i'm sorry, i'm sorry we're not more presented from the jason and my conversations about the sheer numbers at self-help sites we need to increase it by more so they can address the niece of people waiting in line for the services

that's was jason's intent in adding that extra .3 to each the 3 sites that we're looking at today, i have reviewed the numbers with him and feel strongly we need to do that i'm sorry it is not clear how to looks at in footstep budget why those numbers we're not having a bettered understanding i'm not sure we've been very clear that self-help needs the increase in terms of their personnel. >> since there's a discrepancy here this is why we have a budget committee i know the meeting you don't need but those kinds of things can be accounted at that time, i'm thinking of like i'm sending something else to the budget

committee many say the kind of thing that needs to be worked out with the budget committee and go back to the budget committee to really look at it and clarify so when we get to the commission meeting you know those doubts had a third accounting in terms of what needs to be done so i'm looking at my budget and wondering is this something that i would hate to table at this time but i'm want to worry about the pleasure to send it back to the budget committee for a review pending which pleasure how strong we feel about this at this time i'd like to hear from you

commissioners. >> to begin with can we we've approved the other parts of overall i'm not sure we can table one part. >> each item you can vote on each item i don't know but we vote on each item to either table or action or approve that so you can table things and send it by a, to the budget committee we don't want to interrupt their operations it might be necessary if you're not thoroughly satisfied with the answers we're getting today and the skrerpz we have before us from the budget - >> so i'm new to this but that question came up when we reviewed the packet so i know there was the addition to make

hold the .8 pegs or positions to one my understanding why two 0 agencies got one fte more than others my understanding was that there was more traffic through the sites and more of a program need that's why it was handles definitely than good evening from point a to point ftes we added one whole fte so self-help and the half to the other agencies that's i mean it is more than an explanation of needs in terms of services required at the sites that's the justification. >> i also wanted to point out with a lot of the sites they were not operating on july 1st some of the operating experience we look at the 36 thousand they're paying for full-time positions last year we were not

paying able to hire at sunset not hiring someone on july 1st there is a looks like a large increase in what they're being paying each position but now their fellowship staffed from july to june in 2016 we're paying an actual full-time position a lot of the sites were not up and running in july. >> commissioner sims. >> well, my comment would be that in large part we're asked to trust the analysis and due diligence and work that is done by the department in preparation of those proposals that sounds significant conversation from riders in the community and the

staff around this package i wouldn't want to embarrass anyone but far more prepared with granule discussion so we're not left with a trust me vote rather than a vote with full confidence all the information is fully evaluated and appropriate. >> any others comments from commissions on this tell me any further unreadiness okay did you have a comment? public comment at this time? >> yeah. good morning. i'm nick with the senior services

and looking over i don't want to barbara program your instructions were to this money would be used to bring staff from point a up to full-time this is how the money would be used i look at the operating expense detail of the program you're talking about now they've using the this increase for increase in rent and we were not told to use the money for operating expense increases so i'm just wondering how they were able to do that and we were not? >> anybody want to staff? >> can you explain that?

>> so i'd like to refer to eileen. >> elaine i don't have the prior years budgeted to see the years rent that's not my contract maybe they had an increase this year they submitted to us last year those contracts go on for 3 years so i really can't verify if this is an increase the ad r.c. funding sfoordz only increased the staff from 8 to one that's it not other areas what was the fringe benefit and the indirect you're going to bring a person with full-time benefits so far as i am concerned, there were on increases for staff. >> okay. >> that increase in rent was

authorized prior to this ad back fund has nothing to do with with the ad back funding the staff $36,000 a term of the remainder of the contract you're looking at 70 thousand. >> huge increase if other programs so they have 70 thousand increase with the fringe and indirect that is why the money is municipal court higher than you see in the other contracts one thing to point out this question why this one is so much more than the others. >> thank you. >> uh-huh. >> any other comments from the commissioners? are you ready to vote public comment we heard from the public

on this yes okay. i'll call the question are you ready? >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> of approving that budget and presented say i and. >> i. >> opposed? the i's have it so that motion carries the last item requesting an authorization to modify the grant agreement with two works under the provision of asian and disabled research center for the period of july one 2015 through june 30th, 2017, an additional amount of 20 thousand plus plus a 10 percent contingency hold on a revised total not to exceed amount of one hundred and

$54,000 a motion to discuss. >> so moved. >> second. >> okay. your on. >> great so our last item this is for two works to bring over or their position to a full-time positi position. >> okay too works is on the last year so any comments from the commissioners? any comments? okay public comment on this one? >> public comment hearing none i'll call for the vote. >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? i's have it so that motion carries we have announcements any announcements? >> thank you. >> it is actually a question i

thought maybe the contract staff might know on the other add back we've been waiting to hear is the community services they also received an ad back we were wondering can we have any information about timing on this one? >> this is public comment not - >> eelena i'm working on the ad back funding planning to present to commission no november we're accounting all the fuentes 22 agencies involved and $1.5 million plus in add back fund amongst the 22 agencies for 5 hundred thoughts and one million dollars so going to finalize the budget tomorrow and meeting and presented in november. >> okay. thank you. >> uh-huh. >> any others announcements

announcements public comment? >> any public comment hearing none can i have a motion to adjourn. >> so moved and second. >> thank you it is approved we're adjourned

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