hotel in san francisco. when we have at least 10,000 air b adam &b places for folks to live. we need another hotel? i don't think so. >> thank you. >> next speaker. >> commissioner. i respect your office and where you stand and thank you for listening to us. i appreciate it. i've been a 46 residen 46 -- san francisco resident for 15 years. i'm in process of starting a nonprofit. >> take your time. i plan and i hope to work with the center for global art with

the children that i will be bringing into the program. sorry. i hope one day when i do take them to the palace of fine arts when we do walk on the grounds, that i don't have to tell them now this was a place of history and cultural center for san francisco for the arts and now it's a hotel that would be a shame for me to tell the next generation. i urge you to please think about the next generation of san franciscans and its community how we can come together to solve the bigger issue. thank you. >> thank you. >> next speaker. >> good afternoon, my name is lorraine.

i was born and raised here. i lived here through my first 42 years. the last two i lived in richmond. i'm a fourth generation san franciscan. my daughter and i attended the opening of the hundreds of my grand pa was a light housekeepers. my great grandfather that was. my grandfather on the other side of my dad's family, danced at the pan pacific. i brought my daughter, she brought his medals that he won. we took these lovely pictures. if you build a hotel at the palace on the grounds, i matter wil-- my heart will be broken.

hope is the thing with feathers. by i hope you will give us some hope. >> next speaker. >> thank you commissioners for hearing all of us. my name is patricia i'm a fourth san franciscan. this gray hair allows me to not only support everything you heard about the center, i've been a producer of musical theater. i know what it means to have art as i know all of you do. helen baker reynolds in the 1950s as did many part that maybe part of this audience, saved the palace of fine arts. you may all remember it was going to be demolished. please take to heart those

spirit spirits that are still with us. keep this beautiful icon and for public use. we don't need to privatize everything as you heard so deeply from this audience. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> next speaker. >> i name is tom. i only been a resident of san francisco for the past three years. i want to add my word of the overwhelming consensus of the privatization of this space would be a loss for everybody. thank you. >> is there anyone else like to make public comment on item seven or eight? no more public comments? public comment is closed now on

both items seven and eight. >> commissioner. >> i have a couple of questions for you. the $20 million price tag, what is that involve? >> there's a break down in the requester if the proposal and the request for proposal. the consist of improvement, hvac and a variety of other basic safety conditions. there's a lot of detail in the ehdd report done by plan construction that i-team -- itemized the components >> those are infrastructure costs before you get to anything to particular use come >> these are the baseline improvements. they do not include tenant improvements. >> this cost estimate was done in 2012?

>> correct. >> it's likely to be more. >> correct. >> the proposal, the concept proposals that were submitted, there was opportunities to explain private fundraising resourcing, public finance not just for profit entries. >> correct. >> there is an opportunity for nonprofits to demonstrate private fundraising capabilities as well as public finance, tax credits, historic tax credits and the like? >> as part of the rfp and moving f rward in the rfp as well. >> on the rfp process, we're not selecting a use here, we're just confirming what the concept proposals are. what's the next step once we affirm that decision of the panel on the concept proposal? >> the proposals will be due in may of 2016. we would then assemble selection

panel to nams and thoroughly study -- analyze and thoroughing study the criteria and ask them to make a recommendation to the staff and send it for your consideration. >> who runs the theater now? >> it's the palace of fine arts league. i believe some of the members of the board are here today and spoke at the last commission hearing. they are a nonprofit group that has been there since the inception of the theater. >> each the proposal would have to maintain the theater? >> correct. >> is there an opportunity for the current set proposal finalist to combine with those who are not included in this round? could the center combine with pmg to run the theater? >> absolutely. in fact, i noted in the presentation that it's encouraged by selection panel that we heard a lot of great ideas and we currently collaboration for financially sound proposal to mix with other

elements that you heard in the responses. >> so the center could combine with the museum, for example, as well? there's no rules -- >> there's nothing prohibiting that. >> just last question, we heard feedback on public access and public input, can you address that in the rfp and how that's going to be incorporated? >> the rfp that's posted on our website, the draft rfp, we really go into detail around the evaluation criteria and around public access and how the theater will be used. we want to understand how exactly how the public access is. is there a fee associated with it. how many square feet, provide us with a diagram showing us all the opportunities, feeder, size and space and proposed operator. all of those details will be scrutinized.

>> also be coordinated with the operation of either mew steam or a hotel? >> correct. >> couple of questions. i want to appreciate the summary of the scoring and if terms of kind of categorical definition, the compatibility with the palace neighborhood, how is that defined? >> that focused on the traffic and noise and parking mitigations primarily. >> similarly the consistency with the goals? >> sure, those are the goals and objectives i mentioned that were developed through the advisory committee that we assembled in 2012. that talked about how the use will enhance the palace of fine arts, connect with the surrounding parks and neighborhoods, meet a number of

other objective. i can pull up the screen if you like >> that's fine. lastly, the financials. kind of comparatively, that's why there was a significant drop. >> correct. >> what were the drivers settlement. >> not only could the respondents invest in the building and provide the mandatory described in the report how financially viable moving forward. is there a financial engine so support whatever use. we're talking about a very long term potentially up to 55 years. we as a department and the panel wanted to ensure that any use moving forward had a sound financially viable plan to move forward to support the use the duration of the term >> following up on that point, just to appease me frankly, worse case thei scenario, i'm

not suggesting any one have a circumstance, we choose someone that's not financially viable. what happens to the space and what happens in those circumstances? >> we would do our best to keep the space occupied. right now we do have two active tenants, next month we'll bring extensions for your consideration to keep them active throughout the bidding process. frankly, we would probably go back to bid to receive additional responses. there are no public funding available for this opportunity. >> thank you. >> just to follow up on something commissioner mcdonnell mentioned. if one of the project sponsors did not make the cut, scored on the financials, that doesn't prevent themselves from collaborating with others like the museum. it doesn't affect the scoring

necessarily just because they were cut out because of the financials? >> correct. we're asking for brand new proposals. the brand new score and new set of criteria. the previous respondents that were scored, those scores will not matter moving forward >> is there is an opportunity for a second chance? >> should a collaboration and an agreement be made between the parties, yes. >> thank you. >> seeing no other commissioners comments, let me say that i want to first put to bed the idea that we're commercializing the palace of fine arts. the exploretorium paid us over a half million dollars a year in rent. there were military stories, there was the yellow book people, it's always been a commercial piece of property. that's not the issue here. the issue is what is the use and how do we get there. as a landlord of a basically

90,000 square foot warehouse that was entirely rebuilt, there is this new sense to keep that memory of the world fair. now as the recreation and park department with 90,000 square foot warehouse, we're put in the position to simply ask the public what are the concepts. it's a very tough face to market. truth be known, i went to see george lucas, i tried to talk him into taking a space. the day after the presidio turned him down, i told him he a tour already for him, i had all the politicianings line -- politicians lined up. he was not happy with san

francisco and went to chicago. that wasn't the case. we're looking at it. i think that you can't criticize the nature of the committee that was put together. it covers most of the spots. we'll never please everybody. it was an honest effort to get rational people to judge the proposals that were out in the universe that came forward with this rfp. three of the proposals, two ranked very high, one ranked medium high and rest were very low. i want to say, i'm an huge fan of robert cole. i have chaired the foundation for 15 years. alice is one of my dearest friend. there is no condemnation of people here. there is no saying bad people and good people. we have to look at seven criteria. one of them is financial feasibility. if there's $20 million just to

fix and building up before out put the improvements you want for your own idea, realistically, you're talking $50 million. if you building out spaces to be performing art spaces. every culture institution in san francisco from the building of the museums to the building of the opera house to the building of the symphony hall, had in every case, at least 75% of funding. we find ourselves in the middle of continuum of economics where we lose a tenant, we put out a bid for a new space. it's a big space and we get these proposals and we put a first class committee together.

they make these recommendations. one of the people who finished who say please consider us. i would second you are wonderful people. we're being a disservice to the other three who didn't make it. i would say to you given that you finished last in the financial category of all seven proposals, you would have to have the heaviest lift. i don't think it's fair to encourage that. what you need to do is look for people that may be successful and there's no guarantee here. these are now concepts that are going to move into proposals before us. we're not selecting anybody. once we see those, it would be nice to think that you could incorporate in the theater and other public spaces that would be incorporated. i want to encourage you to do that. i want to entertain a motion. >> two separate motions. i first need item number seven and after you done with that

item eight. >> can you get a possessio motion on seven >> i like to move on seven the request for concept of proposal. integrity of that process and the selection panel. i would move to approve that item. >> second. >> there's a motion and a second. all of those in favor aye. >> so moved. item eight. >> i would also like to move on item eight. this is not an amendment but a request to staff selection panel, we should have a seat for someone who's in the cultural arts committee. with that recommendation, i move item eight. >> second. >> all in favor, say aye. >> thank you very much.

>> okay to continue the meeting. we are now on item nine. general public comment. this is continued from item number four. is there anyone who would like to make general public, come on up. >> we're back in order here. please proceed. >> hello. my name is will. >> hold on sir. >> ladies in the back. do we have a problem?

>> i'm environmental city student at san francisco state university. i've come to comment on the rec and parts department on the amount of pet waste. live in sun set district and i noticed a lot of people walking their pets and there's a lot of waste. according to the epa, you can't consume oxygen. sometimes it released ammonia and can cause damage to the health of fish and aquatic life. it carries bacteria and health of humans. the poway contains nutrients. i think everyone should be a

responsible pet owner. that's a open. >> we agree. >> just for consideration, maybe a more public baggy dispensers. or some kind of job like high impact area like dog parks and stuff. i know that's kind of there are there's a lot of -- not a great job. it's kind of a big issue more and more these days. like to see it protected. thank you. >> thank you. >> is there anyone else like to make general public comment. this item is closed. commissioners matters, are there any items? >> no. >> any public comment? this item it closed. item 11. is there any public comment?

this item it closed. item 12 communications. is there any public comment? seeing none, this item is closed. item 13 is adjourned. >> so moved. >> so moved. thank you very much. [meeting adjourned]

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pop up space down here in san francisco where we operate a store front to educate the policy from the home owner who has center which is our pop up space down here in san francisco where we operate a store front to educate the policy from the home owner who has never done anything in the house to the most advanced structure engineers we have working around here. we we're going to here from kelly to talk a little bit about san francisco. how are you doing kelly? >> very well, thank you for having us here. >> in front of us, we have a typical soft story building. when i see this, i think this is some of the most beautiful architecture our city has. a lot of people don't know these are problematic buildings. why don't you tell us about some of the risks he we have in these buildings? >> soft stories are vulnerable in past earthquakes and the northridge earthquake to this type of building and character of building. when we talk about the soft story, what we're talking about is generally a ground story that has less wall or

other /pwraeugs to resist the lateral forces that might be imposed by the earthquake. so we're looking for something that is particularly weak or soft in this ground story. now, this is a wonderful example of what some of the residential buildings that are soft stories in san francisco look like. and the 1 thing that i would point out here is that the upper force of this building have residential units. they have not only a fair amount of wall around the exterior of the building but they also have very extensive walls in the interior and bathrooms and bedrooms and corridors and everything that has a certificate amount of brazing yea it's significantly less country /srabl in those stories. now very often, we get even a garage or storage or sometimes commercial occupancy in this

ground story. that very often not only has a whole lot less perimeter wall but it often has little or no wall on the interior. that wall is the earthquake bracing and so he see very significant bracing in the top floor and very little on the bottom. when the earthquake comes and hits, it tries to push that ground floor over and there's very little that keeps it from moving and degrading and eventually /paoerblly keeping it from a collapse occurring. so we know they're vulnerable because of this ground story collapsing >> is this only a problem we see in sentence france? san francisco? >> no, this is certainly a national problem. more acute in western but more up to california, washington, moving out into other states. this kind of building exist and this

kind of building is vulnerable. >> when you're involved with the community safety, this is a different way of thinking about these types of things. we had a community group of over 100 people involved and upper 1 of them. tell us about * how that conversation went. why did we decide as a city or a community to start fixing these types of buildings? >> there were a lot of aspects that were considered well beyond just the engineering answer that these are vulnerable. and that effort brought in a lot of people from different aspects of the community that looked at the importance of these buildings to the housing stock and the possible ramifications of losing this /houbgs in the case of an earthquake. the financial implications, the historic preserve vacation s implication as you mentioned, these are very handsome looking buildings that are importance to the tourist city ask which

make san francisco something that people are interested from outside in coming and visiting. >> it's such animation story when you think about the 10 years that the community spent talking about this /seurb but we actually did something about it. now we have an order unanimouses put in place to protect 100,000 residents in san francisco and retrospective in 2020. so on behalf of residents and employees in san francisco, we want to say thank you for the work you've done in pushing this forward and making people more aware of these issues. >> and it was a fantastic community effort. >> so in an earth quake, what happens in these kinds of buildings? >> what happens when an earthquake comes along is it moves the ground both horizontally and vertically. it's mostly the horizontal that we're worried about. it starts moving the building back and forth and pushing on it. when you see i'm pushing

on it, the upper stiff of the wall stay straight up but the lower floors, they actually collapse just like i did there. >> luckily, we can put this building right back up where it came from so it's a lot easier. now kelly, obviously these aren't real frame walls here but when you talk about buildings, what makes the property for stiff? >> the easiest and most cost-effective type of bracing you can put in is either put in a brand new wall or to potentially go in and strengthen a wall that's already there where you don't need to have an opening is where you maybe have a garage door or access to commercial space, you might go to a steel frame or other types of bracing systems that provides the strength and stiff if necessary but at the same time, allows continued use of that area. but some combination of

walls or frames or other tools that are in the tool kit that can bring the building up to the strength that's required in order to remove the vulnerability from the building so that when ground shaking comes, it in fact is a whole lot more resistant and less vulnerable. ideally, this story down here would be made as strong and stiff as the floors above. >> if i'm a property owner, what is the first thing i should do? >> the first thing you should do is find professional that can come in and help you evaluate your building in order to, 1, figure out that indeed it does need to be retro fitted and 2, give you some idea of what that retro fit might look like. and third, evaluation and design to help you determine the retro fit requirement. >> well kelly, i can't thank you enough for being here today.

thank you so much for your wealth of information on how we can take care of our soft story problem in san francisco. and you the viewer, if you have any questions, please feel free to visit our website