and had discussions we agreed to with the existing poles refurnish and fix them up once the water gets to the rebar and it rusts we can try to reseal but the damage is done and we said have to look at the costs of actually taking down the exist poles and casting new concrete poles and in their place we talked about at the last meager about on the same page all the cast iron work and

have a contractor disassembly them and as in storage to be used on a different project but i don't think we have any serious discussions about basically demolishing the existing poles and putting in new concrete poles up in their place. >> thank you. >> commissioner johns. >> so, now what is the former of the motion that we're being asked is it to the certificate of appropriateness be issued which specifics those proposed all overseeing proposed conditions be made part of it is that - >> hypothetical we can choose not to approve or approve with

conditions as written or amend. >> i move we approve the c of a without the requirements of maintaining those poles. >> before we ask for a second i have comments i'd like to make. >> you can make them after. >> go around the peculiar and transfers history of that commission of not discussing a motion except before it is made which always looefz us in the awkward position of not discussing the motion. >> it's not been seconded (laughter). >> i'd like to have an opportunity to comment. >> i will second it. >> now we'll discuss it i have severely comments the

notation of budget the section review is requiring the c of a anything we require will be required of project mta and staff can be very creative in how to frame that specific to the granite in the civic center it is featuring and be included certainly the sidewalks the patchwork we're putting in an entirely new transit system up and down marketed to have a band's aid test incision point is horrific we can get creative how this is present to the funding source because wla whatever we require is a requirement felt proximately, and, secondly, the light poles we've google age ascertainment of the 4 we've chosen to replace

or maintain i don't know how many others so certainly there is probably lease within out of all the others in better condition than the fourth one not so great i'd like to see i think the project is better and stronger maintaining some assemble and who ever is responsible should be continue to be responsible until the city can figure out how to fund but through their hands up and say that is not it is short sites once they're gone they're gone we've deposit a lot of work on al twras it is possible and it should be explored i george's guess lastly a question for staff we have a letter from the

city hall advisory committee and i assume they have a direct conduits with you and were there comments incorporated in the staff recommendations. >> i didn't receive the comment letter until we drafted the case report and draft that motion no they were not incorporated and no direct dialogue with the committee. >> what's is their role they don't have to approve any recommendations should be considered? >> as part of this so the easy one is the reduction of the 64 foot 6 to 4 feet is that possible. >> it didn't make a difference

a requirement those fences be 4 foot 6 okay. >> is there a technical reason theirs 4 foot 6 arrest are a design reason. >> the safety rail on the platform is 4 points 67 so people can lean on them the railing and medium is the same height as the railing open is platform we can drop the medium by 6 inches that shouldn't be a problem. >> i don't think it makes a difference. >> i guess we'll have to decide if we want to amend the motion. >> that's fine i'm accept the amendment. >> oh, okay. >> yeah. i don't see what 6 inches will gain if this is a

design purpose if it looks cleaner in terms of that much at that height blocking the view of city hall seems absurd that didn't make any difference this high or this high relative to the district so i guess i'll vote against it if it is a motion that has been seconded (laughter). >> then the transit poles they're saying not to be reigned in place the quantity of trees that

align with not obscuring city hall and really up for debate amongst this commission explain the transit poles and what to do with them and i think i would agree with commissioner pearlman that the of inches is probably not going to make a difference and keep them the same. >> you don't wish to amend that motion it's a withdrawn can we repeat motion. >> commissioners the motion. >> excuse me. mr. fry. >> commissioners sorry to interrupt one others medication of a quick an option you have i hate to do it you may want to punt the issue dealing with the trolley poles as the rest of the project will

have to come before you at a future dates matt haney the bus shelters from the commission is torn and more information needs to be provided you have that option. >> well, as far as i see the only item of information that is all important to me is whether someone is going to maintain those things so far none has said that no department has said we'll do it so if that changes i suppose someone can come back i don't think it will and the prs prospective of putting those in storage simply means any grand children will vote to although through them out i know about option into storage they

eventually deteriorate. >> you're grandchildren will say those are fantastic let's put them up. >> commissioner from the chair regarding and also from staff i mean as much as they're not in that good of shape puvent down the road i drive that all the times and see if their worst safeway and potentially find a resource to maintain them. >> i don't buy the excuse we don't is it an owner to throw them out. >> commissioner haney. >> projects this thing take decades to come to fruition that giving this issue a little bit of time that maybe we can talk

to dpw we're talking about 4 poles i mean you know what who is maintaining the hundreds and hundreds of light poles in san francisco adrc it is they are different and especially, if we find four veteran reasonable good shape and giving them maybe a couple of decades of life may be in 10 years or 15 or 20 years you know dpw might have to do maintenance seems a tiny amount of money relative to a hundred millions prong so i definitely agree to take that that out of the motion to keep the project moving not hold up the project. >> excuse me. >> commissioner johnck. >> my final word on this after considering the section one 06

that is i originally throw threw into the rather than the certificate of appropriateness part of budget so we included in part of the budget our budget will have to be revised to look at where leveraging can be found so i would go back and a say if we have anymore time to have this agency look at again at this this is my preference i would second we can vote. >> commissioner johns. >> i'm comfortable with amending the motion to there is no decision made today on the light posts which is what has been destroyed as punting.

>> i prefer to say that will be left for another occasion. >> (laughter). >> commissioner johnck are you okay with that withdrawn as is berserker of the motion auto yes. >> can someone tells you what the request for the motion. >> as far as a motion second to approve that certificate of appropriateness with conditions as recommended by the staff removing the section regarding the had trolley poles in order to opine or make a recommendation at a later time and is only other portion as stands the condition is the reduction of medium railing to 4 feet. >> ucla i call the question. >> wait a minute that's

exactly right the 4 feet was withdrawn that's off the table we're back to 4, 6. >> you didn't catch the withdrawal. >> okay. >> and then is 5 conditions that. >> we're down to 4 conditions. >> right we removed that. >> so evening lighten us. >> i suggest we don't remove the condition on the trollies poles but this comes back before us. >> that would be a finding as opposed to oh, a condition you're right. >> among themselves to modify the third conditions that reads like the second condition which was asking the mcallister park station shall be removed reword

it such that the project sponsor shall roach is hectic trolley poles treatment from the cutters proposal and seek and second certificate of appropriateness sorry within 6 months of approval to allow project sponsor additional times to develop a rehabilitation plan for this 4 trolley poles. >> yes. >> i think that captures is nicely and the other 4 will remain as staff proposed. >> are we readies. >> we're ready okay. a motion seconded amending condition number 3 to seek a separate certificate of appropriateness within 6 months commissioner hasz commissioner johnck commissioner johns commissioner matsuda commissioner pearlman

commissioner hyland so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 6 to zero. >> jonas i think we probable should take a 5 or 10 minute break please. >> to cbo through the design times and ready to have comments good morning and welcome to the to the historic preservation commission regular hearing

wednesday, november 18, 2015, and and when speaking before the commission, if you care to, do state your name for the record. commission commissioners, we left off under you're final item number 9 case the historic context for the lgbtq history in san francisco this is a historic context statement good afternoon, commissioners and historic preservation commission the last item is a consideration to adopt the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgenders and queer context statement for san francisco it was written historian with the lgbtq history society anothers funded committee the department staff has the responsibility to the committee the city previously relildz on

the sly james in the city the sub cultural in san francisco from 1933 to 1979 and lgbtq reference a a copy of this is constituent in the packets with this new lgbtq context statement expanded the timeline for native-american history of the 1990s and includes for information on the documents information on the lgbtq including the lgbtq and men and women and lgbtq people of color after my presentation we'll go through the histories in for detail the context statements to gather data and identify the structure sites and object the culture heritage statement like this one makes the patterns of neighborhoods of a specific group of people over

the course of times periods and identify sexing and significant places as the home at phyllis lion the daughters of the folks the context assessment is a fraction for american express and integrity thresholds this is the type of framework that provides a methodology for have a seat and interpreting properties department staff will use the context statement for the future planning effort a complete list is included in our packets it create a creation of a website and e-mail address brochure fact sheets and posted were across the city as you can see the project garden a lot of

media xofrn and advisements with the sf impossible and gay and outward media additional from the jailhouse society and engaged the society with the annual reunion the polk association and the castro and upper market and presented to africa people with the foundation and the national preservation conventions and invited a solar to the lgbt and the scholarship have a media presence including the facebook page and preserving the lgbtq in california and the queer history headquarter at the jail

historical society we have a proposition from the lofblt community they held that events if relationship to 2014 where the community members railroad encouraged to share their experience the lgbtq experiences many of the those get the experience were included in this document 33 people participated in the interview and accessed 25 historical interviewed into the willfully xoifz and shawn and donna will cbo through detail after that and in anticipation that or of this hearing the final draft for the review some comments were received but all the comments were submitted in our packets one additional letter was received last

wednesday i'll distribute a copy ever that overall the comments were supportive and the document be adopted with mistaken and some commenters are an information information or requested that the comments be added as much as the comments about terminology two shareholders precede enough substantial technology and historical and accurate they don't support of the adoption of the context statement at this time in contrast to our architectural base work like this has done the living history this is a lack of sclrl veftsdz resources people want to see all the identity in the documents as

is the draft document is given to staff at this point it is the gold statement of the context statement staff recommends adoption have been lgbtq helpful context statement is meets the requirement as so for the by the skwooir secretary of interior and away was reviewed by a qualified committee and any mistakes will be corrected be that concludes my presentation. i'm available to answer any questions now to shane and donna. >> you want questions now or for her or later and sure you have a question commissioner johns and the e-mail about the baker street club how do you continued to deal with that. >> the comment was the property has been noted in the

document this is just a minor correction within the documents. >> so you will make that minor correction. >> okay. i see. >> ms. watson and ladies. >> so although additional so have more do this in 10 minutes. >> i could teach a college level course on this. >> hi, everyone i'm shane the architecture historian co-author the report donna will speak after me i'd like to start it's been an honor and privilege for both donna and me to research and write this history on behalf of and loovnd the lgbtq community in san francisco we're thrilled to be at this stage thank you commissioners for considering the deposition of this report and thanks to the

planning department staff they're guidance and support quick note american people acronyms we decided with the committee why the lgbtq to push for easy of speaker and drop the q in the presentation. >> over the psa past two years donna and i worked at the library for the lgbtq and the gay and lien center and benefits from the scomplip as more importantly san francisco living lgbt communities advisors along the way the theme the overall theme of the context statement was the development the lgbt communities in the city the recorded document from the native period from the early 1990s it is citywide and looked at it all

neighborhoods in san francisco if played a parts this report is not inclusive but instead aims to provide a broad overview we looked at 9 themes of the orchestra arching themes quorum the first few and donna that take over in is the early few minutes on identifies before we begin to tie those to the builds environments we video to explain why lgbt forms identities and others prchgz so most of 19th century the labels of lgbtq didn't exist so people wisdom identify didn't understand they were their say 19th century and

early 20th century we wanted to convey that lgbt people were not born into the communities family circling circles they have to build communities because so many were put out we discussed the tenderloin after prohibition we documented the sex space and cultures owe the baths houses and bars and talked about the importance of parties in private residence they're safer than voouven into public spaces this third theme is harassment just as is lgbt communities started to form in the city we saw agencies cracking down this is important lgbt reflex everyone everything to venture

into public they were reviewed as criminals and pathological for being themselves and countless number of lgbt people railroad harassed and the effects were catastrophic in the fourth theme the lobster people figured out they're rights to gather in public spaces many of the first influential home were headquartered in san francisco and the home file were the wave the gay rights movements maintains 1950s we discuss the lgbt community groups and include the first gay right center it opened in the market street in 1956. >> good afternoon donna gray before the next theme we dealt with documented the captains and

changes the lgbtq obtaining classify in the polk street and is emerge of new neighbors in the 1960s and 70s in the castro and mission the lgbtq communities also led to an increase in the lgbtq owned and serving businesses we documented in many neighborhoods the significant threesome deals with the fact that san francisco is an international center for the history of gay liberation into a political and social movement this city nurtured a new generation of lgbtq like harvey milk we've connected those organizations to the sites the nation's first gay

communities at 83, fifth street other housing of offices for the biosexual rights and the prides parades sites for intackle heritage this chart building eleventh communities sketch the wide variety of was lgbtq people built new organizations and institutions in arraigns the recreation and more we note sites that are a female roll the fields where lesbian and gay sports an example of a more permanent place is the women's building that has multiple associations is lgbtq hefty in san francisco since is it opened in 1979 accident chapter on the

eleventh medication documents the place that reflect the medical prospective on the lgbtq identity how people figure out to change practices about their lives our important example the psych that opened in the 1940s and made san francisco a pioneer place for gender and sex all the it was where transgender people got medical expert the last chapter deals with the impact avenue aids on san francisco and the city's role with the epidemic merged and where power medical research was conducted we've identified any had p many sites with the organizing to support people with aids and to protest against hmo to be and government he'll dragging in addressing the crisis as in the last few

minutes i'll talk about our impediment strategy outlines them quite thoroughly shane and i building this history it powerful told we try to have this process to engage with the communities partners as much as those are from our coffer workshop at the women's building in 201350 people showed up where the volunteer not records recorded them the following may a second workshop a nonprofit that works with the lgbtq seniors and we specific want to focus on gathering stories under groups who histories have been less well documented people identified addressed transgender and lgbtq people of color for this we partnered with young people from the la jolla did care recreation and information

center and has internlz at the university of california berkley a chance for elderly to share their experiences with others susan described the fact we conducted a number of interviews i'll add we late in the project developed a partnership with the national organization through they're out loud project and listed a number of people we gotten do know to go do the san francisco main library and formally record their history in the booths one of the funniest outreach events we participated with was the annual reunions at the form site as a formal lesbian sites in the past pride shane worked with them to get a recording

finally earlier is that the last slide? >> oh, there. >> finally earlier this year with support from the national trust and california preservation relaunched the california pride a mapping project we knew that serve la was developing an lgbtq historical context statement we thought that was a tool to share your vbtsdz sworn testimony theirs and to build awareness cross california to lgbtq history i'll close now thank you very much. >> thank you any questions from the commission? >> open up for public comment i would like to congratulate you guys good job. >> i'll read a few names.

(calling names) >> hi thanks for the opportunity to i'm here on above the historic trust i want to express our appreciation for the lgbtq history in san francisco donna alluded it the national trust supports and documents and preserve the lgbtq sites we have that 20 years ago we provided a grant to the one institutes for the gay and lesbian landmark and supported the project she described and last month we provide a grant to the la for the production of film the documents the lgbtq sites we applaud the historic preservation commission and the historic preservation commission fund committee planning

department staff and the study authors for what is the most comprehensive studies of lgbtq in the metropolitan area we're especially impressed with the outreach you've heard about to provide insights into in historians for the general public the country spent san francisco to be a leader in protecting those sites this historic context statement will provide a foundation for the resource safer the lofbt sites in san francisco and the designation of eligible properties at the state level. >> this h c s has the highlighted the thinking tackle legacy businesses the protection of legacy is a clean interest to the nationals trust we're happy to play a role in the prop j

that created the legacy funds two days after that vote i moderateed with mike butler some many businesses have lgbtq history i bring this up i asked the audience very i am patricia where the preservation felt comfortable the approach to legacy heritage is not tie the history of the buildings of the business with that of a specific site and overwhelmingly out of 200 people support this approach i highlight this i think that in this history we'll find that issues of integrity are often going to do challenge us we need to have perhaps a more

flexibility approach across the country we're ready to go there thanks very much. >> thank you. >> desiree. >> hello commissioners desiree smith of san francisco heritage we're also here to express our support for the adaptation of this historical lgbtq history inform san francisco heritage has been watching the project you think fold since 2013 we support the first outreach event and also featured the project if in our newsletter and social media one the major reasons weer critically excited about this project we believe that is crucial do recognizing a population that is invisual and we believe that will serve as

the model for others municipalities if van this field having read the documents we feel that it is incredibly broad in scope eats reach in the final documents did an exceptional job with the investment history and context statement provides a useful framework for evaluating the significant fraction where the preservation and is historical society and the hpc for pushing this important efforts forward and no doubt will designate new larks for the experience of city and thank ks experience of city and thank ns experience of city and thank dse experience of city and thank ms the experience of city and than the experience of city and than the experience of city and thanr the experience of city and than the experience of city and thanr the experience of city and than for the experience of city and

thank for the experience of city and thank you. >> i'm speaking here today a a citizen of san francisco as a member of san francisco lgbtq communities and also as member and secretary of the board of directors of the lgbtq historical society i'd like in overseeing ways to hereto fully recommend we adopt the holistic context none of the board members are on the advisory committee the project advisory committee there are formal board members there are formally executive directors and also curators ever our history museum as well as sloorlz of the lfkt history and also important members of the lgbtq community so i don't want to repeat too

much of what everyone else said but i can see from what's susan parks said and from what donna graves said the historic context statement and a large number of people have asked about it and also most importantly the historic context statements recommendations include continuing to identify documents and designate lgbtq history properties in san francisco and further original research so in terms of this historic context statement is provides a framework for future elevations and for future examinations of our occurred ideas what is important if san francisco lgbtq past so and just do finish up as many of you may know oh, okay. >> you have 30 seconds. >> that san francisco lgbtq history is not only important to

san francisco and the bayer but e bayer and important to our stat aid nation and to the worlds adapt a statement will be an example to other states across the nation thank you very much. >> randy t burns. >> hi. >> push the bottom. >> hi, i'm randy burns the co-founder the gay ooichlt we done a lot of as an organization i've been in contact closely i want to say to the two officers or consultant they did a beautiful job job on the history

part of california native people especially, as it regulated to lgbt people i got an e-mail on november 1st not an e-mail but roscoe sent me a copy and encouraged those two environment to contact me ratings gay american indians gay history we celebrate our 4 anniversary and cultural work with the national institute at the national indian american museum it is down the road but into the history i'll i'm the only co-founder the gay oichld and holds into the archives of gay oichld and i don't know if donna or the other

officer had not called me, i'm taken auerbach i'd like to see myself i've calls did staff members when it hit the bar magazine i clip the articles for the last 35 years i have roots here in the bay area but i'm originally northern from nevada when i said to see how many native people have used acholic beverage effort and women's building inspection for others facilities i would really, really would encourage that communities of colors especially i noticed there is an aide epidemic on section nine explicit look at that document ensue encourage the commissioners to people this for 3 months and provide that document before you're

commission meeting today to be reviewed at the native american health center and mission neighborhood center i could go on and have a lgbt townhouses i think that will give for people especially over american gays and lesbians time to look at i've been on many, many board meetings and the national gay pride thank you who honored me you're looking at history you're looking at someone that has paved. >> thank you, sir, your time is up. >> sir - thank you, sir, your time is up. >> chair could i say i've

brought up to date. >> sir (inaudible). >> great, thank you thank you. >> yes. you can. >> final speaker beth. >> this the the history my ipad i'm beth visit in pacific california and took time from running my bar to be here to support the citywide historic for the lgbtq hefty on behalf of any great aunt monoin a in the north beach bar section of the statement and i did write something instead of ramping

i'll read this shane watson and donna gray through this year rows fell have produced this watson and graze have priority the theme like my great-aunt mona was extremely vicinity and really marched to the beat of her own drum she didn't start out to create a business but women being treated parolee by other establishment and wanted to help you building that mona identified with them through her and her family members didn't have a stable life themselves so to that end i believe that this statement is important because it provides a portal back in

time louse us to understand the rich and complicated experiences my great mona passes in early 2000 was not able to speak on behalf of home share in support so just as every building need a foundation to authentic tell the history you need the context the foundation of every story thank you i hope you'll adopt this statement thank you. >> great, thank you. >> is there anyone from the public that wishes to speak public comment is closed. >> commissioners, back to you. >> commissioner johnck. >> this is a wonderful project i thought thrilled to read it i thought it was brilliant in our design and fantastic and i only have one addition, i.e., a

suggestion to add one site and that's city hall and roksz gavin amusing e newsoms support and forgot proposition 8 and have some marriages so i guess i realized the statement went up to 1990 i'll recommend we include city hall in the wisdom of sites event related to that anyway, thank you i thoroughly endorse this statement and thank you for your efforts look forward to seeing more to that. >> commissioner pearlman. >> thank you very much this was really brilliant i had you know a tiny little piece of the action i wrote the report for the 2263 market street the aids quilt building and was

involved with that professionalism project over a number ever years i came do san francisco in 1989 and so that period is familiar to me and when we look forward that building i was involved in a c p f i did some of the research to talk about the sites in san francisco the gay and lesbian sites in san francisco so i was trial thrilled to read through the document it is so rich i i mean so rich doesn't realize when i clicked on the link in our agenda that i was going to do get this massive tone and navel that is quite fantastic congratulations do anyone i don't imagine anyone suing you called it the gold standard is really the right way to look at

this so thank you very much for doing it and i whole heatedly endorse this. >> commissioner johns. >> i wish to join it was really a magnificent efforts i move it be adopted. >> second and i have a couple of comments congratulations it is really wonderful to see this document come to a conclusion i'm sure you are too i actually wonder in anthony can explain to the commission from interest our own this connection of integrity legacy business and tangible assets and why the preservation remove hiv has been

tied to the industry and our prop j and is legacy business andemove hiv has been tied to the industry and our prop j and is legacy businesmov tied to the industry and our prop j and is legacy businesove tied to the industry and our prop j and is legacy businesve tied to the industry and our prop j and is legacy businese hd to the industry and our prop j and is legacy busines hiv has b to the industry and our prop j and is legacy business hiv has to the industry and our prop j and is legacy businesiv has beeo the industry and our prop j and is legacy businesv has been tie the industry and our prop j and is legacy busines has been tied the industry and our prop j and is legacy business has been tie the industry and our prop j and is legacy business prop j could you. >> right i don't mean to you go this is a appealing yes, ma'am in discussing sort of i think tackle heritage my colleagues with mike butler and other speakers self-washington, d.c. and new york talking about the loss of sort of you know commercial heritage of the city due to rising rents in all 3 cities there was i think a profound recognize that wee those places don't matter simply wlaus because of fabulous ma

hypothetical bar but the stories they embody those stories can survive even when the linkages with the historic site is consumed or sometimes broken like prop j the law we have now allows for the recognition of the legacy businesses of they don't operate in an historic venue that's a major step and it is not necessary stepped good it is a conflict that is historic preservation commission it is interested in what the preservations from around the country are they comfortable not a right answer eventually we need to be more expansive in what it is the realm we operate in and move beyond releasing and

go confront that recognizing others infrastructures and again, the heritage businesses so much gay history happened in those kind of bars and venues and restaurants but i just lost my train of thought i'm sorry - that i'm sorry, i lost by train of thought. >> excellent thanks. >> thank you. >> and then last comment in relation to the robust public outreach you've taken on that was incredible and well done from the gentleman who spoke about the gay american indians there was plenty of opportunities to participate in the process but if the authors think there is an opportunity to think about that a little bit more i'll encourage that i know that is important and i know

this is evolving history; right? any more information we can future would be better. >> can i say one more thing this was in you're recommendations in the reports but i see this about the signage and the notation of plaques and things like that that i know i talk about philadelphia that's where my family is down or from the revealing the history i certainly hope that is in reference to what you were talking about dick disconnecting place teacher of the year down the buildings this is what happened ♪ location think there that is how people read the city of there is a glass high-rise on this site was monas or whatever and

information that's how we keep the history of the place and not lose to deserving and still live even though disassociated from the physical history so i hope that can be related to this as this gets flushed out over the time >> commissioner johnck. >> yeah. what about the idea including city hall as a landmark or site if you're interested how does that happen does that have to be included that the motion or. >> mr. fry and tim frye you may want to include if in our motion for something. >> if you agree san francisco city hall is the landmark associated with lgbtq evolves evolution and history i was referring to other people but i

was thinking circle of form gavin newsom and his support. >> and harvey milk yeah, like harvey milk. >> it is offsite of the period that was under study i'll defer to the authors they feel a logical way to incorporate the information. >> i'll not follow any sources but. >> you have a harvey milk story that definitely includes city hall this is definitely within the scope of that discretion. >> the gay marriage is around gaven newsoms outside of study but a section on family formation and it small, medium, and large it seems to me that can be brought in a footnote or in the middle of the body of the text. >> so i'll recommend. >> a great idea. >> to make a it requirement or

approval i don't think so since the author said they - >> have a footnote. >> okay. fine. >> commissioners to adopt the historic context statement. >> shall i call the question. >> on that motion commissioner hasz commissioner johnck commissioner johns commissioner matsuda commissioner pearlman and commissioner hyland. >> absolutely. >> modems that that motion carries 6 to zero he apologize for anyone that waited for the next hearing for the cultural heritage assess committee we'll have to cancel is and postpone the discussion as the presenter was no longer able to stay we're adjourned.

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