>> you intreefr with equipment in the room please rise for the

pledge of allegiance pledge of allegiance the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> commissioner president loftus i'd like to call roll at this time. >> please do sergeant. >> commissioner president loftus commissioner vice president turman commissioner marshall commissioner dejesus is excused commissioner mazzucco commissioner wong commissioner melara commissioner president loftus kwouchl also is police chief greg suhr and the director of the office of citizens complaints joyce hicks thank you sergeant good evening and welcome to everyone to the wednesday, january 6, 2016, police commission meeting i want to start off with some openly

comments in the wake of last month's shooting mario woods this commission has heard frustration and disappointment and be anger over what happened people have come down to the commission with ideas for change ways to do better and requests of the department and the city this commission is and will continue to consider all the policy requests as i've said 3 ongoing investigations won by the sfpd and one by the office of citizens complaints it is essential those investigations precede be thorough and complete i more one will not prejudge any investigation what we have to express we are sorry for for the loss of this

young man's life and the pain it has caused his family and friends and african-american communities looter in the meeting we'll talk about the process to revise some of the policies but i thought that was important to start off knowledge where we are and this commissions commitment to, making that better sergeant call the first item. >> calendar request of the police chief to accept the demolition for captain lazarus for the nob hill for san francisco youth engagement program request of the police chief to accept the gifts of 0 thirty pizza from the 8 hundred street for the parks station; a event request of the police chief to

accept 10 pizza 1730 hate street for the s a contest request of the police chief to accept gift of $200 from soouj from the parks station celebration events. >> colleagues on our consent calendar information on each of these requests in order for the department to accept a gift as you may know has to came into before the commission chief anything to say. >> no i'll say that is a very nice gesture for captain lazarus to take what was presented to him from the nob hill association as the police officer the year to want to pass that dwoomgs for the kids. >> i understand you are that

captain lazarus was a child. >> the captains results with regards to the brooks station was a terrific event. >> i want to thank the explosive for inviting the commission xhaegz e colleagues, any questions for the chief of police hearing none before we can vote i need to request any public comment on the consent calendar good evening and welcome. >> michael a sunshine advocate about two years ago the department began a page on its website listing the gifts i've not checked it in two years after tonight's meeting i will look at the police department website to see if you'll gifts are being disclosed on the web as i hope they are thank you.

>> is there any additional public comment? >> on the consent calendar? hearing none public comment is closed. can i invite a motion on this matter second >> i. >> opposed? that item passes sergeant, next item. >> item 2 general public comment the public is welcome to address the department within the subject jurisdiction the public is welcome to address the commission on items not on tonight's agenda within the jurisdiction of the commission. speakers shall address their comments to the commission as a whole and neither the police commission nor the brief response. any individual and the police department should refrain from debates or discussions with the speakers during public comment. hold your comments to 3 minutes, please. but may provide a brief response individual commission and occ people should refrain from debates and please limit our comments to 3 minutes.

>> good evening clyde and welcome. >> good evening how long have i been here police chief you need to resign you're past it come up from the woods case to the other case greg do us a favor just retire just go you have a new wife retire in august for what you told sf weekly and chronicle the examiner all about you greg greg i've known you since you sat there right there and suzy i said no greg suhr well, i was wrong i was totally wrong greg you're a disgrace to the uniform you wear good evening.

>> thank you. next speaker. >> good evening and welcome. >> good evening michael self-gray panthers i'd like to amend the sentiments of the last speaker i don't know that that greg suhr should resign he needs to be fired the two objects that i have in particular has to do with with his response to the community regarding perez killing he stated to the community that the perez lounged at the police officer and navigate with a knife and later an autopsy showed attention shot in the back and the case of mario woods the community was told he lunged

at an officer when in fact, his hands were by his side so he needs to be fired not allowed to be resigning so the main point i wanted to talk about the response to this killing the killing not a tragedy should not be two adopt tasers for police excuse me. police officer in custody shootings should not decrease when the policies are adopted they actually go up research shows they have gone up a huge percentage decrease after that, the are after the first year but not to the point they were before the tasers were adopted we feel that having the police

having taifrz going to the killings instead is another weapon to terrorize the minorities poor and disabled communities. >> thank you, mr. lions. >> next speaker. >> welcome and good evening. >> good evening, commissioners thank you for being here i'm barbara a former employee of the office of citizens complaints i was director the police commission in wleshg and a formal auditor in santa fe and president of the national association for civilian oversight and police i don't come to the commission meetings very often i'm shunned u stunned that the commission has allowed the chief of police to declare

the woods shooting justified it is an investigation showed that the shooting was justified who believe it after it was declared justified at the outset i'm stunned the commission allows the chief of police to hold the community hostage tasers don't prevent shootings officers are taught not to use tasers i'm stunned that tasers are going to be introduced at the board of supervisors at a committee meeting rather than before the police commission the process has already been to bring the waemz before the commission and this is a very unusual process that really concerns me i'm also stunned that the frequenting is being brought in

as a department of justice as a pr maneuver it is if they're being brought in should be brought in to investigate the mario woods shootings we need in san francisco is a new culture in the police department we should be bringing 2, 3, 4 teaching officers enter vegetation to get each other's backs during an incident like the mario woods incidents they help each other to assess what was going on i'm concerned that the response of that at the response of the police chief thank you. >> thank you i'll respond to some of the questions and allow the chief to respond to some of the comments.

>> next speaker. >> good evening and welcome. >> i want to start by submitting any 67 dash a you can kind of see it there mr. joe marshall the person of this committee said they were sending out documents regarding the reforms that would be take place after the mario woods shooting at this point, i'm kind of asking you to approve it and can i get a copy of this as stamped and signed as received i feel at this point you know this san francisco police department is continually violent towards the citizens two hour i was

assault e assaulted and bearded by a police obstructed his badge number it is like a tsunami or chinese water torture that the people of san francisco have to suffer so it is just really bothers me people are continuingly dying throughout the country people are here actually sleeping so right now i just what do i do to get some response besides words words are empty you know i've been lied by people many times the police at this point the police aiding and abetting crime in my community drug dealing and

as a result and batteries and property crimes i mean at the rate i'm having run in's with the police department i'm considering filing a restraining order against the san francisco police department can i get a copy of my signed as received thank you i know the rules good luck. >> thank you. we'll get you a copy of the press realize for the african-american advisory board so thank you, sir. >> next speaker. >> good evening and welcome. >> good evening my name is daisy i want at t sf i want to let you know of the mario woods and others shootings that we will be holding a forum on police and this friday we have a lot of great people that will be coming and presenting

research on the public health impacts of this issue as well as the larger economic impact that the violence has on the communities the city alone has in the past 5 years put out $2.5 million for the investigates and unlawful death sources from things we need to be focusing on housing; right? and so i want you all to be there you'll be the keynote speaker. >> i think you're joking. >> no, i'm serious. >> friday (laughter). >> each year chief greg suhr you're welcome and it will be good to come and work with the community you're actually questionable for people of color right now we don't trust you unfortunately, all the things you're talking about the appease

times we're not buying it come to this meeting and hear what the youth and all the researchers have to say you're all invited from 8:30 to 5:00 p.m. friday. >> thank you. next speaker. >> good evening and welcome. >> hi, good evening. i'm la net white rarely today get up to speak i'm appalled and saddened and hurt that people would have to come to this meeting behind what happened in this city the of you know that should have all never ever, ever have happened and to talk about tasers instead of guns i think that is an

insult you all should be ashamed of yourself and greg suhr if you had any desegregate he integrity you should have stepped down you know what happened that wasn't right all the murders and the executions that have happened under to our watch you say their justified that's a shame before god each other will have to deal with yourselves i hope you're not able to sleep at night at a peaceful and restful sleep and having those handful of people whoever handpicked them just to have them here is just on a

shame before god what each if you have to answer doorway we have to answer you, me and everyone else i'm just saddened what i saw that young man laying in that coffin behind what those police did 25 bullets a man with a damn kitchen naive a shame before god she could have used their batons 5 officers you, you mean to tell me 5 officers not one looked at the other one and told them to stop shootings that's a damn shame is really say, i hate to be the one to come and tell you that but comma didn't forgot an address or

phone call. >> thank you, ms. white. >> next speaker. >> (clapping.) again. >> good evening again and mike again from the folks that sfgovtv can show the overhead right now the new website called government assess dot.org i've posted 4 months of chiefs calendar stop showing that come back to me, i'm here to ask folks to check out this website government assess going assess.com and abbreviated sfgov it blog spot.com is dictated to

all the e elected officials and all i look on the calendar as timecards we need these timecards on the web so that everyone can see how our public servant are spending their time this blog is really necessary because right now the chief is not mother or father his calendar online we have to file the records request and wait the public shouldn't, put through that burden it is incumbent on the department for the police to post go to our website.org regarding the important matter of our missing in action mayor, i should have to point out he's not made a committed to show up in the bayview for town hall more has

he gone to the bayview our mayor went to hong kong over the holidays he can go to hong kong but not the bayview that is a dir election of duty the mayor is guilty in terms of improving policing qualities i think that the mayor really needs to get out of room 200 into the community until that time the mayor is missing in action moving on to outlet important matters item 3 is major items the chiefs report and the occ director's report yet i asked the public to have 3 minute on every item and comment on item 3 i want 34 minutes to talk about the chiefs report and 3 minutes to talk about the occ report you're not giving me that you're combining important items into

one thing that is not fair to us and finally in case when the occ report is discussed 83 pages in this report from the occ not one police officer is named that's police privilege this is how we get away from good policing start naming the cops thank you. >> i'll ask director joyce hicks to respond to the leg part. >> next speaker. >> good evening sergeant brown. >> commissioner president loftus and members of the commission i'm amos brown the president of the pastor of the third baipt church of san francisco i rose to say ghandi mentioned

the four deadly sins 7 rather and one of them was politics without principle politics without principle naacp before the unfortunate tragic killing of mr. mar i don't woods was principle enough to force the department and the chief with a comprehensive document for over haul in this department nearly a year ago and these times of crisis i feel that we are at our best sells we

do not engage in this type of thinking of them against us, us against them. >> but get that pronoun we what are we're going to do to make a difference and indeed we grieved over mr. woods kylie repeat now is the time as civil compassionate, rational, creative citizens to move in the words of nike just do the right thing and i came to this meeting tonight to hear from the chief, from the commission what we're going to do because we have been

meeting this no secret meeting this commission of this advisory group was appointed months ago so it is not a reactionary matter difficult as the killing of mr. woods not a reaction we don't too much reaction as time is responsive i hope tonight this commission will let the world know and the media know what we've agreed to and i think that we will say we can live with that and we are the better because of what the advisory committee did and in spite of our pain. >> thank you reverend brown.

>> next speaker. >> good evening and welcome. >> hi, thank you i'm liza native of the san francisco i love this city but i've never had problems with the police i'm scared of them now i've lost complete faith in the police from the texts still haunt me that haunt me something those officers are still working and they're out there somewhere they made it into the police with those attitudes. >> how many people were going to jail or injured as well as the fact it is stuck in this red tape i'm really i speak for many people i know this is sickening this is still molding within our system and that how do i know with the officers that shot down mario didn't have the same texts between each and everyone we didn't get to see them we didn't

get to see the murders they were not on tape i look at police officers i feel i have to look at everything and listen to everything they do it is horrible you all have to do something urgent to give faith back to the community we're not going to be with policy rules and waiting for months and months and months it will feel like our brushing us off that is just not going to work we need to hear about the text thing i don't care about those lost they're not going on along with us i feel a bias test that is valuable that every police officer puts both through that everyone holding a gun meetings needs to bring all the deep

beliefs bring to and want to know what their trigger happy feelings really are i'm new to this i know you don't respond it is an empty feeling where don't i feel like i'll get an answer to those kinds of things i go home 9 months about the text and read them and say this is bad i don't want to ever see this again how do we get feedback about this? >> i can choice to provide a brief message i'm happy to there is some confusion about the text messaging and this commission ability to talk about that i'll be clear about why that is this commission did discipline foyer serious misconduct in order for

those officers to be termed there are issues that are litigated this commission has no say depending on the outcome these cases we'll be charged with being the author's of those because of that we're not allowed to say anything we can't talk about that we have laws and rules in place but let me as this what we have said on the record and continue to say no place in this department for someone who is greg racism. >> can we make a complaint and it is appropriate a senior investigator you can talk to them. >> the other thing when

officers came before us i'm sorry when officers come before us if if we have shown we're not been fair with anything in the past we'll not be allowed to sit in the positions it is despite how we may personally feel if we say anything that says we can't be you know on the case so - >> that's back to the city. >> thank you. >> next speaker >> good evening and welcome. >> i have two things that stay on my mind why do those officers go to the range to practice to shoot and they can only shoot to kill i'm a gun advocate i go to the range where i have a good needs i hit where i shoot to

obviously those officers are shooting where they want to shoot to stop a person shoot them in the leg why is it when you arrest people i've yet to see a person get arrested and not slammed on the ground or car slammed somewhere where police officers come in 5 different cars for one purpose but let somebody get hurt or injured or anything else i don't see that response you guys really need to check yourselves this is redd ridiculous that boy was shot like that a shame you may think at night what goes around comes around. >> thank you, ms. hawkins. >> next speaker. >> good evening and welcome

ms. brown. >> are they going to say it on there? >> yes. >> because of old age or sickness it is quite another to experience the sudden violence death of a loved one (shot fired)

that's my son. >> (shot fired shot fired (shots fired). >> since 2004 san francisco has experienced an unprecedented number of homicides (sirens) 60 percent of homicide individual are people of color their loved ones living in neighborhoods of skater and neglect must deal with their

perjure tragedies while at the same time facing violence of the unsafe neighborhood that surrounded them everyday (sirens) i'm bringing this awareness my sons case is not solved i know i show this video it needs to know we're suffering as mothers and fathers we want our cases solved no matter if it is police killings or black think black crimes about police killings and the black on black crimes i want to thank marshall about being on the advising board i ask you

greg suhr you said you'd pit r put my name on the advising broad we can bring justice to all the unsolved homicides and killings in san francisco and as a mother that is suffering i want closure thank you. >> thank you ms. brown. >> next speaker. >> good evening ms. davis. >> good evening i want to leased piggyback on a couple of things that reverend brown said about us and we and working together one of the things on top of i said earlier we should think about how to work on systems change i feel like at smooicht we have to realize that greg suhr is governmental the next chief will have their hands tied by the same issue whether the

brothers of dealing with or how to deal with something like the mario woods shooting we need to be thinking about what it is to achieve the chief to have in terms of power and what it is that the commission the other thing is that when we talk about you know earlier this week my son went into a store majored not bio racial but someone called him a half-breed a discussion where in the meetings we call people names we're saying people are less than black we have a difference of opinion or work for a certain fraction it makes someone less than black and when we talk about we and us and i think about the fact that

so ms. browns point we went into public housing on christmas eve the chief was there he was alone with no others police officers and folks welcomed them into their home and asked for increased police presence as we are talking about what communities time i want to make sure we are getting the voices of the community that are also imitated and threatened by the police but feel there is not enough police i get it i'm stopped by the police when i go home their destined with an old lady and her son this is real i want to talk about there were things in place that are reactionary i hope we continue these don't get lost to reverend brown that the advisory committee has been going on

requests and dialogue around certain things and likewise what the youth and the fact that you all actually paid for the youth to really investigate you and give you remedies and listened to that i hope 9 forum and the opportunities will continue as people talk about open forums we have onramp numerous occasions invited all folks and reached through the groups and people have not shown up it is hopefully not about comblain. >> thank you, ms. davis >> next speaker. >> good morning and . >> chief my name is minister aubrey louis one of the pastors brown's ministers i've been to many, many meetings i seldom say anything because i don't feel i

have to pastor brown i've been there since he came to a third baipt for 40 years i've worked for 39 years as a complainant investigator in the section we moved up to complainant investigation and i've been preaching for thirty years i don't intend to stand here and point my finger to the chief or those behind me i've been around long enough to know i've lived in san francisco bay area for 71 years came from texas when i was 15 i know you know there is a culture situation we're facing not only in san francisco but it is

throughout this nation i'm not going to blame any one person or any one person on this commission but i do is this i'm here because pastor brown and the committee and easing persons working in the church they're working when i'm home sleeping i read everything and some of the things have convinced me to coming here tonight is the right or wrong there are too many individuals murdered unnecessarily and we know that we have to come together in order to make progress we must come together divided we'll continue to be in big trouble i thank you for permitting me to speak i'll keep on coming and pastor brown is

working daylight savings time and thank you for permitting me to speak tonight thank you. >> minister louis good evening and welcome sergeant. >> honorable members of the commission i've been an officer employed by the san francisco police department for 26 years currently as the president felt officers organization i want to convey that 21st century policing is going to require complete reform transparency, and total honest not only internally within the police department but extraordinarily with the communities we serve it is very important that we continue to look at our policies and procedures to insure that what we saw happened in the bayview district is not repeated again,

i agree with the chief we have to have time distance but i say resources before when how dealing with the person in crisis i have to also tell you in the richmond district i work within the past two weeks we've experienced people in crisis and fortunately my officers were trained and had supervisors there on scene to insure we did just that which was in corners with the policy and procedure in dealing with those that are experiencing crisis i want to also say i embrace the opportunity for outside sources to come in including washington, d.c. and anywhere else anyone wants to look at how we deliver policing and look at it you're policies and procedures and talk

to the personnel they can determine the one thing i keep saying institutionalized racism exists within every police department and san francisco is not sxment from it racism is systemic we have our biases we need to talk about that and shopping stop hiding it is time to get the training on board i want to be one of the instructors i was a victim and the one thing i want to say that saddened any heart to this day internal affairs has not spoken to me to asking ask me specifically do i feel safe in any working environment anything they can make me look and feel

confront comfortable chief of police i wish the comboirlt affairs will ask me we're not aware we're named in such a had anus way thank you (clapping.) sergeant. >> chief will you follow-up with the sergeant about that issue >> next speaker. >> good evening and welcome. >> good evening, commissioners thank you for your services not an easy job my name is testing with the deep 5 action the murder of mario woods just was the kind of tipping point it reminded me i came before you about 5 years ago when the chief was advocating tasers we had the same research about the number of people killed by tasers and the number of inappropriate uses by tasers at this point as i

recall about 5 years ago there was going to be steven training how to deskates the situations and enter vein why 5 police officers are to shoot into one union man stop killing our young men (clapping.) so what we don't need is tasers we need is a different kind of training system that taechlz police officers about serving and protecting gosh, i you know if somebody might be a pickpocket or whatever gets away or goes 3 blocks our waiting for someone else who might be able to help that's not the end of the world as far as i know the police are not lbsz to be the judge and

jury and execute people please this is systemic as other speakers said we have to look at the training had a makes police officers pull out their guns what makes them fire with moments on the scene i don't think that tasers is the answer anyway, thank you (clapping.) >> next speaker. >> hearing none public comment. > all in favor? > >> can i ask that the way this format is set up you speak and we're not allowed to but later on in the meeting we will address some of the things so we hear a lot of things asking what you you going to do in my frustration when we get ready to tell folks what we're going to do nobody is here i'll ask you

stay and hear what we're trying to do as a commission and he then you can tell you but at least you'll know the things we're trying to do and get feedback that is so valuable but so i'm going to ask you to stay and hear what we're putting in place to the concerns please don't leave thank you. >> mario woods once. >> you're out of order sergeant, next item. >> >> call the next item. >> >> , sir. >> please. item 3 reports and amazements 3 a chiefs review of recent activity and update on the super bowl and update on the social media policy. >> so chief welcome i know

that a couple items came up in public comment if you could responded to the comments about you're public comment statements regarding the investigation and some folks that have the prospective you said that was a justified shooting respond to that and also a question of officers trained to shoot to kill and bias and whether the department has done declaration but touch on those please. yes to answer the 3 questions regards to the rent shuns by some of the media i represented at the officer involved shooting was justified that didn't happen i spoke to the facts i knew at the time and spoke to the policy where officers were permitted to discharge their weapons this was one of the thickness we've

discussed with the advisors form 3 independent ongoing investigations and no conclusions ward to the justification of officer involved shooting involving mario woods the second issue. >> about officers being trained to shoot to kill. >> officers are not trained to shoot to kill after se when the video is hard to imagine officers are trained to shoot to stop the treat when necessary train at the range they're trained to shoot for the tort so because it is the largest part of body as everyone knows there are most of critical not all the critical organs are within the torso so shots to the torso are facility and lastly with the patrol

training. >> also there was some person who unfortunately has left which ask asked about the text messaging i was disgusted when i saw the text messaging to refresh our recognize those text messages were outs with a federal investigation the practice has always been and the criminal case takes precedent and needs criminal action, however, has to be taken after the criminal case was finished i was not aware of the text messages i was walled off as the chief when i become aware of such as the text messages i will

take action as soon as i become aware of it and sent the 8 officers with a single recommendation they be terms those officers were termed without pay the court odor they be paid and the court order what i explained about the criminal going first was not the case and the administrative would have been a breach of our agreement with the u.s. district attorney's office and the this morning the city attorney's office filed an appeal we'll prevail and then i believe those officers will come to this commission what gunning again they'll face termination i believe no place in the police department for those officers the residents said they fall

below the minimum standards to be a police officer and the commission said while this round in the proceedings went in favor of the text messengers that's not the case they remain in the same status superintendant and orders by the court not be back until this is finished i want to thanks some of the members on the forum we met on december 30th and had a difficult and necessary conversation i acknowledged to the group that the shooting of mario woods has shaken the trust in the city's police department and expressed any sympathy for the loss in the african-american and expressed this to pleased

woods directly and emphasized no conclusions were reached to the justification of this shooting members of the forum expressed that in this can be polygamy policy that allows this to happen needs to be changed we need to doing everything we can to prevent that and reviewing all the policies and procedures to that end a new policy was put in in the last thirty days that makes the appointing of a firearm has to be domentsd our firearms training and certification process has been slowed down to better control gunfire by support officers with the declaration enernex report techniques we've added alternates and empowering the

protect shields for other suspect we're entering into the national discussion traveling back technique along with commissioner president loftus and droikz and the command in charge of our country interference and member of supervisor cowen's staff for particle in this discussion about the the reengineering the total curriculum we're also initiate a working group to have a strategy different from how we contend with active shooters how to better deal with weapon and other weapon superintendents to stress the need to isolate and use time and distance before the sergeant talked about to reach a resolution when people are a danger to others we've meet with

the crisis intervention team you're non-sworn partners from the community we currently have 4 hundred cit officers and every graduate every recruit that graduates with the crisis intervention draining with the declaration the members that supported those efforts made additional recommendations they would like to see the culture confident training and emphasis the procedural training to include the members as instructors and two members in the board will be included in the upcoming training in the oakland police department any action where senior officers will be assigned to hot spots as

having to deal with the situation as we train a record number of officers not with the junior officers in those situations until they get more seniority and also to go forward with the community ordinary policing services the justifying and it's services review i spoke today with that office they will be speaking with the attorney general i think one of the appear speakers sunshine said this is a complete independent review to invite them in and make recommendations how to do the best department we can be and it is suggested which training stations take the new recruits and perhaps kwh which

one to take late early officers to be better suited later than this is again as stated a working group that has been working for months in response to the use of mario woods but it was with the intention we had something that we could be better at getting better from no one's is better than the that we're working together if i could go back and have 24 incident not happen at all no more than more me i need to doing everything we can to prevent it from happening again. >> is this a public document. >> yeah. >> this was. >> as i pointed out i'll ask sergeant to put that on the

website all the press releases are there chief i want to ask one question the formation i heard you say this document was in response to the mario situation but it was in existence a number of those are after and in response to the shooting; is that correct. >> yes. yes. this was in response to the shooting by the group is meeting ongoing to discuss things like how can we better recruit from the community and increase our diversity remove the barriers to employment within the police department and outside how can we - many, many things that the communities been wanting to have happen in the department will. >> i want to say that just in response some people were not invited for the ideas it is the

commissions rule over the coming months have the community forums for people to give feedback it is important that we just don't sit in one room but get feedback we'll talk about that later not as if one meeting there will be an opportunity for community feedback f of you're not in the room. >> that's going to conclude my report i know we have a lengthy agenda i know that the commission wanted an update on the super bowl planning coming next week i ask the members thought that committee to come and present captain salvo. >> obviously the super bowl a coming come on up and given the police we'll need. >> can i finish. >> go ahead. >> the reason we invited the captain was that given the

number of police researchers that go into that get a better understanding sorry joe. >> there was a meeting with the mayor today informing him of the press release with the african-american community and was endorse finding and talking about things he'll do and a press release came out on the mayors webs that expands on many of the things the chief mentioned the mayor is aware of the work done and moving forward in his own way to do things to make things better. >> thank you. >> go ahead commissioner wong. >> no. you, go ahead. >> there was some comment about tasers being considered by

the board of sups did you hear some go about as far as i recall we've not discussed tasers at the commission yet or i don't know if it is calendared for discussion is there some other process outside of the commission to discuss tasers. >> one of the prior speakers said in any new weapon afforded to the police departments or fool afforded to the police department it needs to come before this commission that is still the case that is accurate. >> not a board of sups committee that is looking at tasers separately. >> not that i know of. >> so for folks to orient to the point that dr. joe is a saying under the commission reports we'll talk about the next steps under the commission president's report for the use of force and the public process

if those are the issues of interest under section c let's go ahead and hear about super bowl we're track at the same time good evening and welcome. >> good evening chief suhr and others i'm part of the police department operation i'm here to talk about the super bowl related events i'll start by saying those plans will provide the public safety services to do so without negative impacts on the neighborhoods station operation we're going to keep it as businesses people will get the police services they need and also we're confident we'll deliver the necessary services to provide a safe events super bowl 50 will be played on sunday next month kickoff is at 3:28 p.m. in santa clara there

will be a lot of large events and san francisco will be hosting two of the events in super bowl city and the nfl experience super bowl city is will host the culture entertainment and many display items it is free and open to the public the venue will open on january 30th at 11:00 a.m. and close other 9 or 10 the day of the events will be claims closed for the kickoff the nfl will be located north and south from january to february 7th as a interactive theme park memorabilia and football activities for kids to play and

a activity area across the moscone there will be media station there doing radio shows and broadcasting this item venue the nfl experience will be opened from - the two exceptions on sunday closing at 8 and closing at 3:00 o'clock at the day of the game we looked at the past activity we've had at the uses the nfl experience location where we have the oracles so we're familiar with the footprint familiar with the traffic patterns and have the staffing plans to address these the super bowl city venue is similar to new year overview it

will be 9 days and staffing for that we're talking to the people in the department and get think idea of the areas that'll they're concerned with we put those into the planning note in addition to the venues a variety of concerts and celebrations a concert at around before the game gift sponsors from the nfl hosting the parties some will be open to the public and some tithed be events other items as with move forward closer to the game we're sharing with those to the members of the department the department of emergency services tasked with leading the events working with them they've scheduled several meeting with monthly meeting to discuss a variety of topics two of the

mergers were you dedicated to table text the tabletop experiences we sit around and talk about scenarios and what our responses the scenarios were chosen from active events at super bowls and others events in san francisco that we've had to deal with relevant and they were discussed in the city agencies sat in the room and talked about what necessary do to support us and vice versa in addition to other city agencies and other governments agencies super bowl 50 and the nfl and in order to have the necessary resources for the public safety services we need to we've taken several steps for staffing no discretionary details off in san francisco additionally we've worked the academy tool have the training all available officers are

available we will be using customer non-patrol function like chief staffers and other staff will be brought out to assist and next week other academy a class graduating they're first week in the department will give them an idea in our planning we've been very aware the heightened security concerns our plans will provide a uniform visibility for the staffing for bigger ones like the moscone center we will do this with a combination of foot patrols and bike and motoristized patrol and other resources and additional layers of security for systems from our special operations

group we presenting looking this thing one of the captains will be overseesing this that is the captain that worked at large venues to get his input that the staffing levels he it would be sufficient for what we anticipates we're working as as i mentioned state and regional to create an event for the public to enjoy our investigative unit is trying to anticipate what issues one example of the human trafficking issues that some people are concerned with with the super bowl our human trafficking team will be very pro-active back in october the human trafficking team along with the super bowl 50 host committee conducted training with the hotel directors in to they can train

their staff for human trafficking victims we've insisted with training and our human trafficking team w the sdwoofz to members of the department and the district attorney's office will be available for the human trafficking i believe that greg suhr updated senator feinstein this is one of the benefits of the planning we've been doing these working with the had you had occasion but this crystalize our going forward the training is the additional relationships between ours and other government agencies have been enhanced so if we have further events we'll address a lot of the issues. >> thank you, captain. >> questions colleagues. >> commissioner vice president turman. >> on the human trafficking

issues are you working with local community agencies to help to identify the signs of human trafficking victims. >> i believe the training materials is put together in concert with those folks have been. >> we're working with the fbi and the formal homeland security and regional agencies a training on the 11 two trainings in san francisco international airport to train to look for anyone that is arriving and working with the hotels and making several cases sort of set the tone of what we're doing and we're also doing the decore operations on the internet. >> commissioner melara. >> i had similar questions interested in concerning the

issues of domestic violence that might go up and you might be planning for that and i was wondering if you're coordinating with other police departments in the bay area around the activities in san francisco. >> well in others police agencies the super bowl and the city of san francisco is about $45 million apart we've been meeting in occasion with the police department in santa clara so that's lead to a lot of the trafficking training we've participated came to be we're working with the other agencies the historically members are members of the special victims unit will be working during the timeframe we'll be responding to any calls of domestic violence and of course receive the full attention. >> it is important to emphasize as the captain said

earlier the resources deployed for the venues in the events downtown will have not impact on the district and the officers with the calls of that nature we say advocates embedded in our unit to do do lead training all the groups know about reporting. >> commissioner wong. >> i thought i had a smart question but you've asked her it on the human trafficking issue for shelters; right? to have the advocates ready think when we saw operation gotten cage is floated the entire system i don't know from the back up social system needs to accumulate a lot of survivors coming through. >> that was one of the things we spoke but with senators feinstein a concern she shares a new building in oakland now that

is just been opened so she asked your special victims unit to see what we could workout with alameda county more people rescued so we'll get it figure out. >> i got a call this, with from the coalition on homelessness that were concerned about the accommodations of the homeless surrounding the need to develop this city or the clean up up for the tourists have you meet with the local community groups for those concerns and the chief and i are meeting on january 21st. >> actually chief and i will be meeting on january 21st on that issue on the agenda. >> and additionally with the rain in the last few days

shelters will be openly and a place before that we've not had a lot of rain but the health effecting people to get them into the shelters it was raining over our heads a few minutes. >> there is a lot of coordination my question what efforts if any are spreading the worm for women and girls that law enforcement is ready. >> to that end we've made a significant case in december we're now presenting that case to the u.s. district attorney's office to get it hope to get a publicized to state or federal as an example that we're aggressive in prosecuting those cases and the recent events of

operation across country was publicized we'll be looking for this like i said from the airport is as well as the hotels the hotels are being very, very cooperative so we've spent two years ahead of that. >> i hope you'll continue especially the public use there will be consequences and finally it seems difficult that this district stations will have to keep up their staffing levels for 9 days and is there over time or a cost is the department and city ab associating this. >> additional monies were put in the budget to draw parallel it is not the same stretch our

world series runs those are one day at that time, run if you make it from coast to coast we're fortunate we use models and venues with the resource plan we cobbled them to get the end result we're confident we can manage this event and have it be safe then secure for everyone in the existing resources. >> thank you. >> any further question i'm sorry commissioner melara. >> one further clarification for men and women and girls or. >> predominantly women and girls. >> thank you, captain. >> finally a request about our social media policy we'll have a draft social media policy going through the consequence and in

the next 90 days that the department bulletin governs how members are behaving on social media will be in effect until it can be adopted and specific questions from the public about when photos are posted on the department social media sites we need the publics assistance in identifying them and press releases on public interest case can be posted and generally booking photos after the suspect is booked there are exceptions to those situations one would be photos we'll hold photos on ongoing cases where an identification might be necessary with a filth line up we don't want to paint the

suspect prior to his or her line up. >> is that policy in writing. >> well, i know the social media those are notes as far as our photo postings i can check and. >> that would be great it sounds like those are the rules that have been applied we been asked to be transparent will the process there's a documents you could a share it with us. >> i think this is i'll share it. >> any questions for the chief on this matter. >> one question hopefully what were the end of the year homicide numbers. >> i believe we have 2 that circumstances in the case make those self-defense so we believe

at the most it will be 503 or 51. >> that's down from last year paw no last year, we had 46 the average for the past 5 years has been 54 which is about 20 percent down from the prior 5 years over 40 percent down from the high of 2007 when we were around 96. >> thank you. >> any further questions for the chief? >> okay. thank you, chief southeast. >> item 3 occ discussion review the recent activities and presentation of occ third are quarter statistical report and the presentation of the occ champion reports for september and october and november of 2015. >> good evening director joyce hicks. >> good evening commissioner

president loftus. >> i want to start off and following up with one of the questions from public comment you'll like to direct a specific question you'll address in our comments no names of police officers included in our report please include that. >> i'll be glad to do that welcome greg suhr and members of the public thereer several reports i'll try to be brief the first report under recent activity that in 2015 the occ hiring 4 new investigators for a net gain of 3 we had one investigator reas i understand to take a job in the far northern california but tonight i'll introduce two of our most recent hires if they'll stand up susan u susan gray ms. gray

didn't have to travel far to accept her position as a investigator we stole her from the public defender's office a san francisco resident she was formally a legal assistant in the public defender's office she has her undergraduate green decree from a harvard a member of the california bar and she speaks spanish ms. gray is currently a campaign for her private investigators licensee saw jeff adachi at a hearing earlier this week, i thanked him for giving me such a wonderful employee and see the next kneeling excellent new hire michael began his a criteria

with the - he worked with the california department of justice his last job a special officer he evaluated and directed statewide criminal and administrative confessions e investigates he's post certified from the basic level to advanced to supervisor so pleased to introduce those two stellar investigators for the occ welcome the next item in december i served on a panel think civilian oversight and community members for the our inputs on the selection of the director of sonoma communities for the outreach this office was

infected or created by the sonoma couldn't for the shooting of a 13 years old was shot by an officer and carrying a republic can gun and the officer took it for a gun my connection or office connection with the county we were asked back in june of 2014 to come he talk about our model and the director and i took that trip to talk about the investigative model and the supervisors choose the model it is - than on monday as i alluded to you attended and meeting for the coalition of justice for mario woods and invited to attend that meeting i described

the function of occ deputy director battling discharge talked about the officer involved shootings and the officer described his role in the judicial process and in the chiefs hearing he indicated at the eagle it investigating the use of mario woods and that we have dedicated several resources two investigators a senior investigator the deputy director and an attorney to oversee it i advised that the function of office of citizens complaints provide timely fair and unbiased investigation and that the investigations are confidential and that regardless

i also provided any deepest condolences to mario woods mother that was in attendance with the family members and i indicated that i would not were going to update the coalition on the process of investigation because the investigative files are confidential peace officer records and two, that point i can address the gentleman's comment about the third quarter report the occ has concluded from revealing the names of the police officers when complaints are filed and any findings can't tie the names of officers nor the chiefs discipline because stating under the pencil coke precludes the police from doing

so but allows 33 me to provide non-identifying information that's what i'll do that concludes recent activities and any questions on recent activities colleagues okay. >> i'm sorry commissioner wong. >> so to back to our point the occ had adequate staffing and are you seeking additional funds from the board of supervisors in response to either the transmission of body cameras or to contrary the backlog. >> commissioner wong a timely question no not adequately funded in the advisory committee of the focus resources that we must delve to officer involved shooting and other complex investigations and he will be

speaking with the city's budget director to indicate what our needs are as you can tell from the third quarter report we'll get that in the annual report investigators caseloads are too high and that's one issue another issue is that it has been the practice of the occ since it's inception for investigators to transcribe their own interviews and that is extremely time consuming we need to provide did investigators with transcripts and services that is best practices and internal affairs does with the

interviews that concludes we did a brief or rough analysis of cost to transcribe all of the interviews that the investigators conducted about a quarter of a million dollars so it had been conversation i'll be having additionally as i've indicated ever since i've been the director for the occ for the past 5 years while the budget the occ budget and every city departments budget reflects the firms those positions can't be detailed and it is with the occ the figure i've been given the occ hold back on employing over positions that would total $300,000 that's in excess of

$300,000 so the 39 budget the position of the occ positions can't be billed. >> have i asked her you're question. >> will you keep us post. >> yes. i will. >> i'll move to the third report posted on the occ website so i will highlight monthly i provide the police commission with occ specific conducting the number of cases open and closed and adjudicated and roounl talk about the cases much of the information i will not go over with you this evening it is in the report and, of course, i'm i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> by not had the opportunity to with the generation i'll

discuss those later under the report moving to the third quarter itself it covers jill 2015 to september 30th, 2015, during that period they have a total of three hundred and plus complaints the occ sustained the alleges of the failure to take action against the san francisco police department police officers in that quarter that was a 5 percent sustain rate the case is 7 percent emotion from the beginning of year to the end of the third quarter that is 5 hundred adjustment the total number of complaints closed is 4 hundred and 92 the total number of complainants sustained is 35 emotion 21 the sustained rate was 7 percent and by the conclusion of 2015 and we have

we're stilt refining our statistics as of december 31st the occ sustained rate is 9 percent for the entire year and the emotion rate remains as 8 percent was 45 mediated moving to organizational matters i've discussed pretty sure in detail the budget constraint the occ has had by the end of the third quarter 15 line investigators staffing the occ but only 13 had full caseloads two permanent line investigators one the permanent line investigators acted absent a hock investigator since he created an vacant awhile one was promoted to achieve of the investigations

and august 2013 the occ is continuing to look at the department of human resources for the senior investigative position we are hopeful that process will be completed very soon we can begin testing so we can develop a list of ti candidates 509d permanent line investigator acted as a senior investigator while the senior investigator was on a long term leave there have 5 line investigators vacant and the budget provided for 18 line investigators and deputy chief investigations so by the close of third quarter 18 employees staffed 23 positions this has

improved we've hired the last two investigators i've just introduced as an update the occ hiring two more investigators we still have two vacant lawyer positions and vacant external system, however, the attorney position was posted on job recruitment closes next monday january 1st and then i will begin to interview the candidates we're working with the dcyf for the examine recruitment we've not began the recruitment chris and i are working on the job description moving to temp section he began following the operating system and software update to all

stations he started the work on two generation media center a v systems and engaged with the department of technology to update i reached out to the department of technology asked them what they can do for us the amount of work that the gentleman has is a lot and so they have been meeting with us to help us come up with a plan and as always he's assisted the investigators with their work and prepares the difficult reports a typical data for the report moving to our investigation of cases the caseload for investigators is 28 cases that is well above the 16 best practices caseload and also

exceeds by 6 cases per investigator the situation in 2014 third quarter 2014 their slowing decreasing now the additional staffing have arrived we accept the 2016 will be improved but again will not be ideal until we're able to make the changes that are necessary our goal to conduct our investigations within 9 months or conclude them within 9 months and during the third convert we were successful in doing that 73 percent of time only 7 of the cases were closed after a year but none of them have sustainable obligations and 53 percent from the third quarter we closed 78 percent between the

day's not an extreme difference the average number of days to close the cases shown an improvement by decreasing by 7 percent from 200 and 6 days to two hundred and 984 days in 2015 the number of sustained case for the quarter was 8 now the third quarter of 2014 there were 15 sustained cases but it just good samaritan quarter by quarter and in the third quarter of 201538 percent or 3 of our sustained cases we were able to close within 9 months and with the improvement only 20 percent of the cases were closed within 9 months

and then moving to the sustained rate i've already discussed as cement 30th that was 7 percent that was at the end of the year 9 percent the types of allegations we sustained in the third quarter was neglect of duty and the large majority of case 7 of the sustained cases no complaint during the third quarter or in part for failure to collect traffic stop. >> director joyce hicks explain the significance of that traffic stop data. >> i can explain the significance of traffic stop commissioner president loftus that is information that officers collect that identify certain characteristics of the

traffic stops, etc. and that type of information is studied to determine whether or not racial precisely is occurring and the states legislator is recently adopted legislation highlighting the importance of that information and is not going to be traffic stop data but data period there's a schedule for different size of police departments to come into compliance moving on to complaints of note in the good that goes back to the importance of the occ having enough investigators to investigate the more complex complaints as in the role of the

investigators is more than doing an individual investigation of complaint but also involves doing in take and intact where is a complaint walks is the one office of investigator on intact must drop everything and take that complaint so you know all of those things disrupts the flow of a particular investigation so when an investigator has a complex investigation we attempt to take a investigator off of intact so the videographer investigator is a focus causes the other investigators so go through the rotation but moving to the

complaints in the third quarter received numerous complaints of a man with a prosthetic leg we have one use of one investigation of one alienation and another alienation i officer involved shooting residences open sros cases we have in the first quarter we were awaiting some information from the police department in negotiating how to object that information without revealing the identity of the confidential informant. >> what information did say made available to the public about officer involved shooting. >> we provide information to

the complainant what we do send the migrants complainants in the letter we don't name the officers but in turn one over we say an officer more than one we say officers and go through the allegations and they could be several from urban necessary force to the shooting to the conduct credit, etc. and we say what action we've taken where we have found sustained or found the officer used excessive force or whether it is unfounded we feel we have determined whether found that the allegations are untrue not sustained or that means not sustained we were not able to have sufficient evidence

to prove or disprove we'll put those in a letter to the complaint we then publish on our webbed but you without identifying a case no. something that we called complainant summary reports that summarizes the finding case by case and so anyone can go on the website and look at all those complainants and that's how we conclude our investigations of officer involved shootings. >> that's helpful many of the members of the public are here regarding a officer involved shooting and asked questions about the investigations so for everyone to understand the conclusion you publish something

on the website but not have the name of the officers but lays out the investigation and you're results. >> it didn't identify the mario not by case no. >> but facts you include. >> yes. there are facts reasonable people can okay got it. >> so moving on to oh, another findings we make are policy finding maybe a finding of policy failure or training failure so the officer the over didn't individually do anything wrong that the policy that there was a problem with the positional or the officer needed training in area and explicit find

misconduct so moving to the complaint regarding the crime lab we concluded the assault victim and the failure to properly process not sustaining allegations but the investigation reveals several policy recommendations that are outlined in the policy section of the thirds quarter report findings that the attorney worked on and another case of note was the hero incidents the occ continuing well at the conclusion continued to investigate a report regarding the alledgedly misconduct of a man in a wheelchair and in the third quarter report the action of the officer and

the wheelchair man was caught on video another complaint we've seen the san francisco woman was shot and killed by the "x" boyfriend the occ continued to investigate that complaint and another case involved a san francisco public defender's office who was in the hall of justice and in the conclusion the occ continues to investigate that complaint as well and then the occ has the racism text messages by the officers as you may know and commissioner president loftus pointed out that matter it tied up in court for the police commission or it is before the police commission at this time. >> another case of note that was publish sister it the bicycle incident we continue to investigate that case that is a

man that filed a lawsuit against sfpdz for wrongfully arresting him and taking his 10-month-old son from him after stopping him for riding a bicycle with his son and then finally almost finally the department general order 8.10 referred to a complaint under that where a man was questioned by the federal bureau of investigation and a member of the san francisco police department regarding a freedom of information he had made we are conferring with the city attorney's office on our ability the occ ability to interview the officer involved moving to the last case of note that was a

case that the occ included through pits emotion program involving an alleged battery commented by san francisco police department in a unlawful touching so not misunderstood it is the case was a touch not a punch so moving on it was mediated successfully and the case is closed moving on to policy analysis during the third quarter i continued to work on the body body worn cameras working group and for the san francisco police commission sam handles the occ policy matters and continues to

handle 90 percent of them and her work during the 3rd quarter focused on the assault and others task force on 21 this is the task force on 21st century mrool and in september after reviewing the report from the task force the office of citizens complaints made recommendations to the san francisco police department to strengthen police and community relationships our recommendations are included as a part of third quarter report the 19 recommends cover a variety of topics including the detention and training and use of force data and collection and prelims and searchers of transgender individuals and we are currently working with the department on those recommendations that concludes

the third quarter report. >> thank you director joyce hicks colleagues questions for director joyce hicks. >> director joyce hicks i have a question you note because i think some of the questions of late which we're talking about changing policies and adopting as you can see an example of an issue that happened many years ago that results in the recommendation for a change of policies from san marion who is incredible but a long time gap between the act that happened and the policy changes so what you see this commission doing over the last few months pulling how the issue like body cameras and setting up a process of our own to get the input and get the cameras so get

the cameras moving i'm reminded similarly we're talking about how to pull thank you out of the process that allows for the discussion and debate within the occ and department i notice you very specific recommendations you indicated with the department around the 21st century policing my question given we have an short times frame i think to quote reverend brown quoted doctor king an urgency of now and we'll talk about we got a letter asking for a budget recommendations by february 15th so a long preamble to my question what is the occ prepared to do to make sure that commission has policy recommends for that consideration for the 21st century policing and formals i know you're working with the department but how the commission plays a role and what

is the information. >> well commissioner president loftus the occ has provided you the information on our third quarter report what might be expedite matters is for the commission to have a hearing oh, have an agenda item specifically on that report and again in the very important policy matters we will throw as many resources as we can possibly through towards this issue to expedite them i'm not sure if i'm sweshg our question or what. >> yeah. >> what you're asking for from us that is different than what we will continue to provide you and have provided you in the past in terms of i'm answering

you're question with a question how best can the occ provide you. >> well sam marion said 90 percent of the policy recommendations is an incredible resource given the timing the chief and i will be in d.c. talking with and director joyce hicks you're talking about the reengineering of force but i would think if it would be helpful for next week the commission to hear from sam are with other specifics around the specific recommends as the occ has because we will talk about we're going to have a public process and want ideas from everybody certainly the occ given the process and design for you all to make the recommendations so certainly the sooner it needs to be a full presentation my suggestion schedule that for next week and

my fellow commissioners we'll watch the tape and in details a recommendations e recommendation that is specific to the timeframe we're dealing with. >> if this is a pleasure the chair and ms. marion is prepared to do that. >> she's no ideaneeding in th. >> and ms. marion has deny - she'll have that opportunity to flush it out. >> anything further or

questions for director joyce hicks colleagues okay. >> i'm not going to move to 3 more reports you have september, october and november monthly reports. >> it will be fast and i will talk on this about the chiefs proposed discipline in each of those reports and see moving to september there was a neglect of duty finding on the part of the office of citizens complaints this involved a 13-year-old who was taken into custody for alleged graffiti and the occ

determined that was inadequate investigation and that the chief concurred and the officer and sergeant received acknowledgments and retrain in a second case an officer in expressing disbelief of an explanation of being double parked the officer used a term the complainant found it offensive and acknowledged the term was a derogatory term from a dressery manner the officer was reprimanded and retrained i think what was not able about those kinds of investigations -

that was in september the chief made and in the october month this was a warrant a search the first one a warrant search case the occ. found that the officers conducted a search a fenced backyard in violation of the law they wrote an inaccurate and i think complete reports the officers received reprimanded and retrained and received a written reprimand and retrain another case involving a complainant that had a legal folding achieve we found unlawful detention and a conduct for discredit in that case

the chief concurred and specifically imposed a written reprimand and one officer received reprimanded and retrained he concludes the officers conduct - in another case involving a domestic violence the occ found that the officers and the sergeant officers and the sergeant in a domestic violence case failed to properly correctly identify the dominant aggressor so the officers and sergeant received astonishment and retraining in other domestic violence case request a spanish speaking complainant again, the officers

failed it properly investigate they violated the language assess ordinance by failing to obtain an interpreter they mistakenly arrested the victim they on the other hand, she was charged and x-rated ultimately in this case the sergeant and officers received a written reprimand from the chief in other domestic violence case the complainants made a 9-1-1 call she was harmed by her husband the officers failed to investigate they arrested the wrong person the officers received a reprimanded and retrained and in the last case that was adjudicated by the chief in december the officers

received a following a requester foyer a private person's arrest i will now move to november in november 6th cases were adjudicated by chief greg suhr and the first one was failure to process property and the sergeant received an astonishment and retrain we receive those types of containments we get failure to process correctly private property we refer them to the department to determine whether the department will do a criminal investigation if property is alleged that way it was done in this case and it was determined that a criminal

investigation was not necessary was not warned in the second case this is an officer failing to prepare an incidents reports in this case the officer received a remained the third case an officer failed to conducted a lot of information the officers received a remained and the fourth case the officer again neglect of duty case failed to include his name and badge number and the officer reprimanded and retrained the next case the officer used unnecessary force and he took i

am had for the ground and the officer made an inaccurate incident report while greg suhr didn't concur he concurred that the officer wrote an inaccurate report so the officers received a reprimanded and retrained and finally the case on where the occ found the sergeant failed to properly supervisor an officer the officer illegal arrested a person but it sergeant found it was insufficient evidence that concludes my reports from october through december. >> commissioner wong i have two more general questions related to our

presentation the occ has an independent built to present the cases to the police commission so are you referring to the case that is commonly referred to as the text case are you barred by the same stimulating stiments such as such as retraining or. >> well commissioner wong i'm sorry, i ask you refers that

for closed session he'll discuss that directly. >> you mentioned that the occ last year had a 9 percent sustained rate of investigation i'm wondering as to the other 91 percent where it is some other kind of tracking system whether or not a particular officer with a repeated complaints some kind of triggering mechanism a number of complaints you've refer them to the police department for follow-up review and investigation port commission part of our early morning. >> if an officer i'm sorry early intervention system if a officer gets a complaint that is a trigger the officer is sat down and all the patterns will be looked at.

>> an answer to sxhourngs question thank you to the person i'm no longer the city attorney i don't give legal opinions. >> thank you commissioner vice president turman is next. >> on the i'm sorry october 2015 report director joyce hicks how long was the length of the detention in the sustained - complaint number 2. >> now. >> are we looking at september a october. >> oh, i'm sorry

october it was you know i don't want to guess but it was in a while let me get back to you i'm thinking that is around 20 minutes or so not sure if - you, you worked on that case. >> you know, that was many minute. >> pardon. >> it was in minutes. >> yes. in minutes but the exact number. >> i'll check back with you thank you. >> dr. marshall. >> i want to follow up with what commissioner wong said you brought up the intervention system with the commission but in the advisory committee of the

everything that is going on to agendize that how that works and how much meat is in there to give us an idea of officers that were showing repeats and patterns that was what was interveneed but i think that commissioner wong we got - i'm suggest we do that soon. >> and push can know brown more about that. >> i'd like to have that next week but you'll not be here and i'm sorry, i have a question regarding the domestic violence that was in violation of 6.09 the new policy we adopted i'm concerned and sure that commissioner melara as well as around the language assess issue that are in play here i see they

failed to call an interpreter was that part of the in terms of the investigation i know that sam mar i don't think and all the work on training officers when you were determining the aggressor there a cab an domestic violence victim go arrested and have to deal with the federal immigration authority what kind question what language did the language and the consequence to the victim. >> i'm not aware i can't answer whether immigration consequences but, yes the language barrier played a huge role. >> when you say admonish retraining how to train the

officers how to investigate those are challenging. >> as i'm recalling from the particular case the officers have not yielded observed the train video am i - yeah they've not seen it. >> so when we have obviously a brifr big priority this commission passed the law of department all the officers should be trained so did something specific happen here. >> i don't know those reviewed the trained i'm making sure an audit as to a officers seeing that video. >> that would be helpful any further questions for director joyce hicks. >> commission a blulth ongoing training if you're already seen

it you have to see it again. >> thank you sergeant right a - that is good to know commissioner melara. >> just on the l e p issue i've heard three or four cases the wrong person was arrested in a domestic violence case i'm wondering if there is a need for a genre train because when you have that many cases happening you know around the same time i'm wondering if there is a problem thought throughout the problem the officers are not recognizing signals. >> we can certainly do that. >> yes. i'm concerned. >> okay further questions for director joyce hicks. >> okay none directs you made it through all you're reports that's right. >> yes. >> director joyce hicks i want

to note i appreciate your patience those reports have been prepared for that some time but in the advisory committee of other conversations you graciously moved symthem so u thank you and ms. mary i don't mean and occ all your work is appreciated by the commission sergeant, next item. >> item 3 c commission report and president's report and commissioners reports. >> colleagues, i will begin but hope we can hear from everyone about what we have been up to throw the months of december i will start by start where we left off on december 9th we had a conversation on a couple of fronts that specific to the department use of force policy and what we indicated at that time was spectacular to the body worn camera issue

that this commission wanted to take into account the departments in force policy we have posted all the policies on the website so everybody can find in 3 generally orders 12 department blulgs so somewhere around telephone one of the things the commission is resolved to do while the investigation into the incidents are ongoing this commission is endeavoring to review all policies that might have played a role and change those policies as necessary so the process for that is we brought in first, the executive forum that advised over one hundred and 50 departments to talk about the best practices in other places

work is san francisco up to speed or things that need to be included some of the big issues in talking with the folks the emphasis own preserving human life is of supreme portions and issues around problems that happened in other areas they i might have adopted aggressor policies and issues around people shooting at cars various other issues in particular this policy is something we're looking around individuals what we do when a person has an edged weapon i think perking in particular has invited this depended for san francisco to be one the it was 20 cities that are asking the same question the

question is there moving from a shoot to don't shoot scenario to a national decision model in england and scott taylor 6th district at large for people that have a knife but not a gun those police departments have allowed them to preserve the life and decirculate the problem keep the person save that is the outcome we're looking for so while we're opening opening up wanted to also let you know, we got a few documents in the

process one is the excessive and the department released a press release from the african-american advisory committee board i'm sure joe marshall will want to speak to some of the points but we also got a letter the mayor sent a letter to the board of supervisors indicating he's given the deadline of february 15th to put forward the policy proposals and also the budget requests so while all of these important conversations are happening it is critical that we also set up a series of community meetings for community input i want to paroles paroles to you the following the department will present a draft use of force policy if february i have asked the department to

do the same thing with body worn cameras to convene a group of stakeholders that are community members to advise the department of the status of that draft once it comes to us a series of community meetings with that said being the deadline of february 15th we're not going to wait to start having community meetings on policy ideas and solutions everyone who came here today came because you want to see change and have solutions in mind ideas and we want to hear them so what we're going to do is because there is structured rules arrest the brown act and meetings skeleton we'll put that to the side i'm going to set up with the help of my commissioners a series of

meeting with two or three commissioners we can't have 4 people it is an issue of violating the brown act we want to move as quickly as possible and keep this conversation going more with the public comment it is fourth amendment for us to have the conversation go one way we'll set the meetings up i'll be with director joyce hicks and the chief in washington next week hopefully getting a lot of good information for consideration but in the meantime commissioner vice president turman will run techniques meeting and a schedule of when those meetings will happen i hear again and again if so not just the words off would policy or piece of paper allison park i think people want a conversation and be able to hold us accountability and in order to

be effective we need to hear if everyone not everyone comes to city hall i'm grateful for the people that come we'll get out there so colleagues, i invite what you've been up to and comments and suggestions that's my report this evening. >> commissioner marshall. >> thank you very much commissioner president loftus in this thing my daily life informally certainly but this formally obviously to work with the african-american communities relations i want to thank you for those who engage it is wonderful feedback ideas that was keeping the ideas in a dialogue the point you've heard were grafted out of give and take

bouncing things before and after but in the spirit of coming up with ideas and things to make things better as the assist agreed to doing everything we can everything that happened won't happen again what we saw was in policy the policy needs to change from day one so i want to thank you all for who participated in that spirit i said magical everyone put everything to the side some of them are here i appreciate that and want to say thank you to the mayor for hearing us out that report heard some other things and his commitment to do a number of things also in his press royals we're on a fast track here and

my only concern - i want to error on the side of right this model commissioner president loftus is suggesting we've done meetings with the communities groups and less than 4 commissioners we did it around getting feedback on ordinance and around the tasers issue it is a good way for the group of commissioners to get feedback from the community and bring that back and you know certainly on the listening and not yelling i think folks will in the spirit of what we're trying to get our thoughts and i think that is a great way to go i personally think we're on you

know we're going to change that thing whether everybody is satisfied but we're committed to and actively from day one been about doing i want to again, thank you to all the members of the community been part of progress and want to give us those ideas we'll come up what i'm sure a very, very different way of doing things in the past. >> colleagues. >> commissioner wong. >> sure but what you have report i'll indicate in december i do two chinese call in radio shows an hour each both on the topic of the killing of mario woods i of the surprised the radio hosts were surprised with the large volume

of calls that called in and they expressed pretty sure the same sentiment we've heard tonight overwhelm sense of outreach with the same questions posed in terms of why don't officers only shoot to kill the same questions we've heard tonight so i was surprised again, the radio of hosts were surprised at the interests and the emotionalal outreach there was within the chinese. >> (speaking spanish.) >> community i want to report that parrot they're interested in this issue i share commissioner marshall's concerns this is the third time we've done those communityer hearings a great way to have the dialogue with the combaermz and

my concern withs two we were prepared with a lot more reports we had a lot more data coming in with the combaermz with an extensive amount of research i'm wondering whether we can get it done by february 15th we know the mayor wants to have something done but not like throwing money at it so i guess i'd like to see how fast we can pull that expert group together and the reading materials to at least have some of the best practices in mind as we do our community forums. >> since i've bang the president through the 3 processes we're going two face and slow down and be responsible i definitely appreciate that i do also appreciate the reports and the

information here we go or here's what i can commit to the department i'm looking at the sergeant got a working group and working on grafts i think we'll get the written materials to the commission as quickly as possible you'll have present plenty of written materials and when the chief and i go back to washington we'll post it on the website the material but i think the greater question while all that is happening some expertise and thoughts within the community without having a document to respond to what are should find ideas we're thinking about that is part of it the changes to the - we're talking about use of force for officers so we're bringing in experts it is something that is a concern we want to keep everybody save we want to do this right and

concerned about community and public safety we're not making light we're doing with combaermz moving down the parallel tracks the department has two probation officers to put together the policy and get the february but my point in january while we are all thinking about this we as commissioners should be out in the community hearing about yields since we're charged with the recommends to the mayor responsibly that's the responsible thing to do to begin with the members of the community as of february 15th we will have the recommendations as what we know. >> the problem is not new we also have a great deal of material if the african-american advisory committee and the president's 21st century policing policy and

recommendations from the occ we have baseline of information to begin with let's take that information and define this policy we can do this by february 15th we need eyebrow grease. >> commissioner marshall that if preinclude us from individuals saying what you think don't wait i'm with a bunch of kids they welcome it commissioner marshall we should do that those are young people a lot of opportunities to get ideas about how to improve things and all those voices should be heard some thought young people tell me what you think tell me what you think that's like young people.

>> the other group kids from the summer we hired kids praurm from public housing to learn about the department and given us the represents the chief and the department agency adopted them we'll get the kids involved youth voices is important other commissioners want to give a report or have any thoughts on the next process moving forward no okay sergeant, next item. >> item 3-d scheduling the items identified for consideration alter future committee meetings. >> so we've identified a few items sergeant i think. >> comments don't go anywhere. >> as our scheduled we have a meeting next week which will be run by commissioner vice president

turman and that will include a presentation by cam marion on this specific recommendation on the 21st century policing i'll ask if there are any existing around the use of force that will be helpful the other issue any items for next week colleagues any questions but the following week will be in the tenderloin anothers opportunity to hear from the community members sergeant kill shaw anything. >> to dlosht at the salvation army center 240 turk street beginning at 6:00 p.m. >> okay. >> and then we the schedule

the date in february for when in commission gets the materials on use of force and then from there we'll schedule specific public forums on that policy in the meantime colleagues i'll be reaching out in january to set up smaller meetings where commissioners meet directly with the communities any other agendas colleagues. >> we have so much to do i'd like to look at the other events the only reason i bring it up that question comes up how to flag officers that shows patterns i don't know where to pit it in my normal responded we have the so forth but that is a great discussion to have pubically we have something how well, that is working we need to find out. >> it is i think it is

essential we'll work with sergeant kill shaw as quickly as possible. >> anything further colleagues sergeant okay. so let me go back to - >> all right. any public comment on item 3 a through 3 b. >> good evening and welcome. >> thank you very much my name is dennis i belong to all of senior groups search warrants san francisco tomorrow and i want to talk about that

most human beings it take an awesome lot to allow them to kill another human being the only way to do it to justify killing is to make the enemy look evil as possible so our soldiers can continue killing people from other country's with impunity and without guilt african-americans are in that category of the other this other it embedded in our fabric are our society it take control even with people that

consider that they are non-racism not to view black men as the enemy that is essentially the problem here that no matter what you do you don't change the thinking of people black men whether continue to be the enemy you never see a white man or woman killed with within seconds of a police encounter as a murder of a 12-year-old black boy i have been looking at the internet i found that 8 white people that powder a gun at police officers managed not to get killed a mr. house man that was public health

his gun at a police officer that was calm and this guy said that it was his first amendment right to have a gun and the policeman says no it is not you can't swear didn't say anything about the gun you can't swear he was swearing go look it up on the internet you'll see what we're doing over the country is killing black men with impunity they have waemz or anything but get killed. >> >> next speaker. >> good evening hello michael again chief about you're report it was another verbal report nothing in writing e writing on, on the table or the police department website it

if someone is not watching in meeting this is no idea of your police reporting that's not okay. i pointed out bearings head of the health department prepared a three to four written report of what we're activities and the activities of her various divisions and health department that report is included in the beyond all possible doubt cu agenda when it is posted on said web i'm going away are hearing you about two minutes discussing social media but not into details i've filed a public records request you needed an extension to rely you, you can't give me the list of every twitter account what's our policy for reaching a mug shot you've got to develop with transparency and real public dialogue where you're social

media policies are going to be not okay you come here and give two minutes to oh, well we're working on that oh, nothing in writing not cutting it chief regarding the occ and not revealing cops names here's an idea while your traveling to d the san francisco police department needs to cotton on the states to end police prestige with the confidentiality of the occ the names of the officers have to be realized unless the names are realized there can't be justice or true accountability it is the responsible of san francisco to use the tragic death of officer he involved deaths to say to sacramento we need to change the state law to realize the state names when i'm

arrested my mug shot is all over the place yet a cop kills a civilian not anything about their names from the occ not okay you verbally until the mayor is in the bayview or the commissions is calling on the mayor to the bayview a lot is bs i want to see written reports from the commissioners you're like the chief give something vertical if people are not watching they'll not, what you presented tonight ynlt a paragraph when the agenda is developed we see you're activity in writing thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> good evening.

>> my case lion again gray panthers i've i have to tell you i think there as prospective that tasers are going to be forced down our throat i think there is some denial about that tonight for instance, the board of supervisors will be used as a way to force through tasers is an important one there is a hearing on the rules committee on the 21st and it is going to involve tasers and those other issues of force i think that is disingenuous to be polite as

possible to say there are not was that the department is trying to get around force through tasers tasers must not happen thank you. next speaker. >> good evening and welcome. >> good evening, commissioners i'm sue i'm speaking an angle individual tonight thank you for the opportunity to do this first of all, address our comments commissioner president loftus about conversations in the community that p and we do want to vent we want to offer our recommendations and have the fact that they deserve a response and so i think that involves more than just a conversation but it involves noting the community concerns and our specific reasons for the concerns as well as our ways of

proposing addressing those concerns i also think generally outside of conversations and in the community the idea of expressing outrage that is something we need to do in terms of first amendment issues should be taken place in a safe forum i want to make that point to you all regarding the use of force i again want to echo something that commissioner president loftus said an article negotiate to great britain to study the techniques with regards to the dealing with the violations and be mentally ill both on the part of perpetrates and the officer secondly, procedures for dealing with the mentally ill and new

arena i don't think we've addressed properly shields and bodies armor but preparation for training for preparation in terms of the circumstances what, if anything, must the officer think how must his or her go into this situation initially we need to respond to whatever happens and i say that as a registered nurse as someone that deals what violate people not necessarily mentally ill but disoriented and aggressor in a hospital situation i've not had to use tasers not had to use guns or call security with guns we have minimum use of tranquilizing drugs tasers have an deadly impact on the body

causing cardiac distress prior to a pilot program with tasers is not report to you wonder how it is missing in terms of public discussions once again thank you very much we are all concerned about that and we're waiting and watching. >> thank you, sue landers further public comment. >> any more public comment? >> good evening ms. brown. >> can i use of overhead. >> my name is paulette brown i'm bringing up my sons case again in case unsolved that he was murder in 2006 shot thirty times with a second gun today his case is not solved i bring

those names of perpetrators we can solve as homicides my sons cases can be solved you have the names of perpetrators thomas and perris moffett and awning drew and anthony and marcus one is deceased all i'm asking for closure i know i do that all the time i need my sons memento stay alive and this case to stay open it is a cold case nothing it being done if you don't do anything none will from the mothers don't fight for their children they'll say question don't care but i care about my child i'm not saying others don't care i want to bring awareness to the other unsolved

homicides we make up for about what is going on with mario woods i understand that parents but we need to say about on the children that is going on that the mothers are suffering no one said anything about the families none saying anything about the mothers here again, you have all the names those names are down on my sons case at 8 city bryan ass are the perpetrators that shot my son you have the names arrest them i didn't get those names out of a hat those names are on the case so how come they say the perpetrator when other ways to change the law so those cases get solved so mothers like

me can be healed i'll be doing that more the rest of my life i'll still be talking to the people here those are the names of people that shot my son. >> thank you ms. brown for people watching if you have any information regarding aubrey brown murder the anonymous tipline is (415) 575-4444 thank you ms. brown. >> any further public comment? hearing public comment is closed. >> sergeant, next item. >> discussion and possible action to remedy the board of supervisors adopt a resolution 30 years the archive to accept and expend a grant if the state of california receptionist

represents division of boating for the marine units action. >> chief. >> welcome and good evening, commissioners chief droikz i'm patrick with the san francisco police department the application we are the grants we are requesting to recommend is a grant from the california boating and waterways it is to funds the purchase of seek and rescue equipment for sfvpd marine units i do have an item missed list of the equipment items that will be funded by the grant. >> if you have me questions i'll

be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> this is for, thank you this is for use in investigation that happen on waterway as search and rescue. >> i'm thinking of the case where the gun was thrown in the kate steinle murder on the pier it seemed it is incredible the officers dived and retrieved that. >> that was our underwater recovery unit they afforded the boats from the it marine used as water broad craft. >> colleagues, any questions. >> okay so we need public comment and take a vote public comment on item 4. >> i'd like to point out that there is nothing on the written agenda about mario woods but the

super bowl and now you're describing this item that about accepting a grants for the boots on the ground and waterways i'm saying if you put those items on an agenda since the most meeting you should have put on the agendas a specific item about mario woods killing and the actions that being taken is there any additional public comment? >> public comment is closed. colleagues a motion to adopt this resolution and second do we note a roll call vote >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? that item passes sergeant, next item. >> and item 5 public comment on all matters closed session including public comment on vote

whether or not to hold item 7 in closed session. >> any public comment on. >> yes. >> sorry. >> any public comment on matters pertaining to item including the vote to hold item 7 in closed session and yes michael i'd like to object to the commission going into closed session on item 7 i see that item 7 c involves an officer involved shooting you're going to discuss reviews of of the in the chiefs discussion to return or not return officers to duty following an officer involved shooting great you're going behind closed doors not public scrutiny about an officer involved shooting and even if you are having the public discussion about this but probable would be hindered by

state law from naming the officer the fact you going to closed session and you can't disclosure the name a hindrance to better policing it is certainly a hindrance to justice and there are so many different ways i see police prestige is hinder keeping people alive and people save we are not getting accountability when you go into closed session you'll ask myself and other members of the public to hang around for item 8 and whether or not you'll vote to disclose any or all of you're discussion i'm curious i'll go over the minutes of previous minutes see if you ever voted to a disclosure anything in closed session if our serious really, really serious about making san francisco police department a

better force with best practices you're going to have to get with being transparent about those officer involved shootings thank you. >> is there any additional public comment? >> on that matter hearing none public comment is closed. >> sergeant, next item. >> vote to hold item 7 in closed session and assert the attorney/client with items 7 a and b and administrative code action do you have a motion. >> second. >> >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? that item passes. >> we're in closed