i like to introduce assistant fire marshal richard brown and awesome task force capt. capt. bowman is here to provide any kind of detail you'd like any questions regarding specifically to the task force. >> so, for 2015 the number of working fires throughout san francisco numbered 191. that is the lowest number in the last 10 years. if you look at it this the first time it's been below 200 working fires for any given year in san francisco. the high was 346 one year. with regard to the mission, the mission fires numbered 18. last commission meeting i coded 20, but i was on a quick query and i wasn't-i was aware of to be presenting during the commission meeting in the last

commission so i didn't have time to actually put through those files. since then i've gone to each one of those files that's why the numbers have adjusted to 18. the reason for that there's one was a duplicate and one was actually not a fire not a structural fire a grass fire. so the number is 18. that represents 9.4% of fires in san francisco for 2015. if we look at from 2005-2015, all the fires in the mission, the mean averages of 18 per year. were slightly up at 18. in addition, if we look at the type of occupancy and structures that have been addressed, to address the 18 structure fires, 72% residential lanes, residential and mixed-use building. if we look at national numbers, we

would expect 75-78 presented that's about what we would expect. no surprises there. if we look at the causes of fires for 2015 am a look at nationally number one is cooking the climate. the numbers 45%. so half of all residential fires almost are caused by cooking equipment. number three is electrical. that's 8%, national. if you look at the mission, that's our number one cause to date it was so working on a few of the reports. but, today, we have five of the 18 that represents 20%. of fires in the mission at this point. commissioner evans you asked about the backlog, investigation backlog. at the last commission meeting and you asked about what percentage of the backlog which fitted to the

mission. i'll give you those numbers. as of today, we have 270 open a fire investigation reports. 31 of them attributed to the mission. that's 11.5%. it's worth noting that the fire investigation report is a three-step process. so when we say backlog that this mean we have to file sitting there is not open and haven't been adjusted. there's a three-step process. the primary investigator. the secondary investigator that cures the abuse report and the supervisor's final review and signs off before that report is released. regarding the backlog of the working fires for the last four years, seven of them are in the mission that are still open and accolade. in 2015 has for them. of those

four, one is still under investigation. the other three are women i know, are accidental. if we run the numbers of all incendiary fires in san francisco for the last four years, the total is 54. only two of those are committed to the mission. that was in 2013. i am open to any questions that you have. >> is there any public comment on this item? mr. patroclus >> hello. michael petrella second. i like to make a request that the commission consider holding either an official meeting or informal meeting with one or two of you in the mission. i think it's really important for the fire department to get out into the mission not necessarily as a

body but i think just as we see with please commissioners attending committee meetings regarding the murder of mariel woods, one or two of the commissioners, please commissioners are going at community meetings and therefore the brown act doesn't kick in, and this is allowing the police department to create better policing how to get i believe the commission and the fire department have the duty to get out to the mission. i think you have to bring this deputy and his information to the residence of the mission. with thought what his unit does. we also need a full discussion about the question are these arsons taking place. is speculation and gentrification driving the fires that may not necessarily

meet your definition of arson, personally doing a lot to change the neighborhood. the other reason why i think you need to get out to the mission is to continually talk about fire prevention. that is real importance to all of the citizens, and i have to say that in the past two years or so on that as a number of large fires have taken place in the mission i been disappointed that apartment has come to the mission community afterward and said, we need to discuss prevention. we need to discuss how were conducting investigations. i think that would go a very long wait if you took the initiative to come to the mission. thank you. >> thank you. is there any other public comment on this item? any questions, comments from commissioners? to mr. cleaveland >> yes, mr. cassio, how long

does it take to do one single investigation? >> it depends on the type of fire and the incident itself. i would defer to our captain of the arson passports to give greater detail on that. >> would you say you're understaffed do you have enough people to do the investigations? >> you've got to 70 and a backlog. in your estimation how long is a kinetic? >> we are targeting six months. >> when we say were targeting six months that is mainly the zero backlog. i run rate is about 1.2 a day so little over 30 a month. the five a month. so reasonable backlog would be anywhere from i would say, 50 and talk 50-70 would be fair to carry as a backlog. >> the vast majority are accidents? that arson. you

don't go in or suspect they are arson right? >> we respond to all greater alarms, injuries, fatalities, any suspicious or where a incident commander cannot determine, is unsure what the causes. so, we don't respond to all of them. the incident, for example of the 18 from 2015 we responded to either nine or 10. >> when investors go in give a talk to people and give them the 411 on why the fire occurred whether estimation why the fire occurred? >> do that tenant themselves? >> yes. is there a postmortem on why this is the why the fire occurred and this is why you can't what you can to get you can't overload your public 13 devices. >> lb the prevention side of

the house. the division is broken up into two bureaus investigation and prevented investigation stokely goes out there and determines cause, origin and cause. prevention would take that information and with community outreach identify this common causes >> currently, is there any regular program of going in after a fire has been investigated to tell the tenants of the building, this is white and have a little education. i think that's very useful and we need to train all of our residents on fire prevention and particularly in older building, which we have a lot of in the mission. so, i do think we need to do a little bit more outreach as was mentioned by our public speaker, and i would hope we would grant that effort up. >> that is already in the works, commissioned we are developing a fire safety presentation in re: have a draft of that. the goal there is going to be, and part of our presentation is going to be

community-based, neighborhood-based so when we go out to do upon request, we will hear our presentation specifically to the community we are speaking. so with the mission we talk about the 18 guys. we can talk about the known causes. we can talk about the best way to prevent them. also, our captain lowden had an excellent suggestion i'm going to take her up on this. she offered to send one of her arson investigator shall we do these presentations so they can speak to the committee as well. >> i think there's a lot of misinformation and fear out there. we can help clear that up by discussing how these fires are started and the majority are accidents or electrical or whatever. some people to have a little more assurance that their preventable fires and there's no sort of agenda out there trying to create fires. i think i would be a lot-that would go a long way to grade more confidence in our fire department. >> agree. the data at this time does not support that theory.

>> thank you. >> commissioner can we take that without objection? without nakajo >> thank you very much chief. i appreciate the information that you furnished at the last commission meeting. and i appreciate that you're here today. that arson is here as well in terms of staff capt. and the support. my general question is, you are saying that this year, or 2015, the fires so far in san francisco r1 91. >> correct >> you were saying this is the first time they were under 200? >> going back as far as 20 over. i don't have the data prior to 2004. >> i just want to ask what you

think that is occurring? >> i think public awareness. i think it's code enforcement., nation about those things. >> okay. you were talking in the mission the general mean number of fires and the mission is 15 >> 17. if we go back to 2015-25-2015, ketamine of those it would be 17. we do currently reported that we have 18 fires in the mission >> for 2015, correct working fires. >> working fight that with this new calendar year your statistics are based on calendar year, chief because >> it is. >> all right. you talk about investigation in terms of these fires in the mission. part of them is assigned to arson. i will make sure i'm hearing this correctly that part of those fires, how many of those fires in the mission are assigned to

arson? >> when we say a sign, we are dispatched through communications to any greater alarm or for special calls for any suspicious cause were only if we can't determine a cause. a series of other things that triggers us to respond. injuries, dig out. places of worship. bombs. explosions those types of things. we are dispatched through to medications and/or special call. speak up so, just to be clear, chief, not every fire requires the arson squad to be there or correct me if i'm on. >> that is correct. >> is there some again you were citing statistics, reasons or causes-i was looking for causes of these fires in the mission did you talk about the primary source of good cooking, cooking situations. you cited

-what did you say, 20% of them? >> when i try to do to understand what's happening in the mission was causing the fires in the mission, the data across the country residential fires. what is the number one cause is cooking, cooking appliances and is 45%, the league. 45-40%. 45%. to date, known causes for 2015, now, the five adam archuleta to electrical and that's the most greatest cause to date that we know of. that's the leading cause. if you look at -nationally that would be number three at 8% get in the mission it 28%. >> was the secondary cause, chief? >> in the mission or national? >> in the mission >> in the mission it's going to be discarded smoking materials.

>> okay. in terms of the patient fires this year to talk about 18. how does that number 18 compared to other neighborhoods in san francisco? >> it is on the higher end. if you look at the number of structures in the mission, you got the number of structures to the assessor's office is approximately 4000. if you look at it that way percentage of fires the mission is not number. actually the tenderloin is number. the tabloid has 75 buildings. it's a large dense neighborhood. it's an old one of the oldest neighborhoods in the attributes to the numbers. >> can you answer my question in terms of the mission has a high number relatively you identify the tenderloin is another day but that is a high number of fires. >> relatively speaking >> on an annual basis. is there another neighborhood beverages within that 18 number

17, 15? >> way we track these numbers in the past is by supervisors district. so, this the first waxing the i neighborhood. supervisors district we two, three, four inputs in one district. so, i get to break all those out commissioner to be quite honest with you. >> okay. i just want to be little understand how this is in comparison. i biggest question is what the root causes of these fires within the mission. and what is occurring with that. my fellow colleague commissioner cleaveland top of the arson about bob. i've a better comprehension of that now, as was this information you're providing to me. if there's any other questions i'll make sure i ask you. i appreciate the support from the staff in terms of what's occurring currently with this. thank you, chi.

thank you mdm. pres. >> vp covington >> thank you mdm. pres. thank you for your presentation, fire marshall. i just want to know about code enforcement. are we beefing up the code enforcement since only fires are the result of electrical instead of the incendiary reasons? >> yes, we are. what we have done is we've actually called out carveout a separate section in the division now and it addresses all are two complaints. when we do our annual company inspections, any fire complaints referred to bureau fire prevention this new section is headed by a new capt., capt. jones, and she's working closely with housing and building to be in line with their complaint process in processing their citations and

loaded up our own hearing process. she will become our hearing officer and head of-so we are working on that, commissioner. >> so you actually need to get a complaint before you go look at a building to see if there is electrical overload? >> no. annual inspections are company inspections are approximately 5000 iu. from this inspections we get referrals from the field for any situation they find they cannot handle on the spot or minor issues. they are referred to us. our district in the past inspectors responded to those. what we are going to now is a separate section that-we've always responded over there be more spots get them able to turn things process and be more efficient in processing these. >> i think there'll be an excellent idea. i ask you that

question because i know that our staff is out and about all the time. do you feel that we need to have a more targeted efforts in the mission? >> i think, yes. >> if so, what would that the? >> when i said yes as with community outreach. i think we need to meet with the neighborhoods and again speak to them specifically bastards in their community specifically. the number of fires type of fires they're having. and also, why were-the other thing i'd like to mention-next month were going to be were going virtual, online, where residents that they commission, for example, could go online to punch up the

edges of their building and see if there's any open complaints, violations etc. on it. when we come up to these meetings they can either call us woke and adjust them at the meetings as well. that's part of our outreach. so, specific to the mission, yes we are creating our fire safety presentations is geared to specific neighborhoods. that's our focus right now. >> thank you. if there is a greater alarm in a building in the mission or anywhere else, and it is a result of electrical overload in, say, one apartment out of 16 apartments in the building, what kind of oversight is given to the other 15 units? is there an inspection of each unit to make sure this is not -within that building? >> as an on-call building inspector that comes out with a greater alarm and addresses any hazards that. whether they should vacate the building, occupy and they come up with their plans moving forward,

when you isolate circuitry, whenever it is. it's in the building department hands at that point. >> what i was asking was if each unit muscle units that are not perhaps damaged at all, that each unit within that building with the fire took place is inspected? >> no, we do not do that. please electrical fires now, quite often it's because we've extension cords and power strips, and you're powering heating appliances among a number of different things. so it's individual to that. you can't assume the whole building is running these power strips. so, no, we don't inspect every room in the zone. >> okay, thank you. i will hold off on my other questions. thank you. commissioner

hardeman >> [inaudible] thank you mdm. pres. chief, thank you for your wonderful report. you addressed since you become our marshall which is pretty recent. so, just prior to you becoming fire marshall we had a couple deaths in the mission due to lack of smoke alarms, which is really the most terrible thing you can think of because they do not have smoke alarms people died. so, the department got involved interested in smoke alarms. to me, the aggressive nature of getting smoke alarms out there could possibly helped reduce the number of fires this past year. i would hope that would be the case. i just think to be

very aggressive with carbon monoxide and smoke alarms are critical and i know in my own house we clean the oven over the holidays and then bake a prime rib i like to put it on-i have couple smoke alarms going off. i think i wasn't that much smoke. i think that is something i'd like to see, everybody take in the city but a lot of people can afford smoke a lot and that's the primary reason they don't have them. then the batteries run out of people decide not to get batteries. so, those electrical ones that are plugged in always stay charged. those would be nice option. of course, they do get expensive if you get the fancy carbon monoxide one, but i want to-i hope that was another reason so i appreciate your aggressive stance on reducing the number of cases. that was it. thank you.

>> thank you. justin mentioned as number the stars smoke alarms the it has a 10 year battery like. so it addresses that issue. we generally fire department gets donated 600-700 firearms e.g. our outreach worker bring some of them with us. >> just a couple questions chief, an all-star with mentioned a 10 year battery life. is that for going forward or are building owners know to be required to replace smoke detectors have a longer life? >> smoke alarms every 10 years have to be replaced. i don't know if many people know that. if you had a smoke alarm prior to this new requirement, you're going into that tenure lapses and then when you replace it in

the state of california by a smoke alarm that does not have a 10 year battery life. a new placement will naturally already have that. >> so, that leads into my other question. i want to say i support efforts you're making to be more active in getting fire safety messages out in the community and all the rest. i do think an important part of it , not just the tenants in the mission, but also the building owners. so, i would hope as you're doing that outreach you're also including them at these meetings and making sure that they are just as aware as the tenants about their responsibilities are and are if they can afford to put in the new smoke detectors, get all those kinds of things that can maybe make a difference in someone's life. we should really really be promoting that across the board. i think it'll be great to start having, to go

out into the mission did i know that she has offered to go out and meet with committee members. i have as well. i'm sure as i'm leaving their other members on the commission will be willing to engage in a process as well. i do recall, i think vp covington had raise some time ago could have a more general public service announcement and i was hoping something that was part of this process that your building more education oriented. so spend some time developing a public service announcement. maybe it's around the smoke detectors or something. i don't know but that these aggressive as we can be. then, i just had a kind of a technical question. when you say there's a backlog, is there a definition because is it a certain amount of buzz of investigation is pending before it's considered backlog or how does that look? >> if we have fire this morning there's an incident number and echoes on the backlog. >> that doesn't seem to make

sense. because i think what might be helpful when you first, i would consider the definition there and how you're explaining it. then maybe you would be useful to break down in your data the timeframe. so, if something does happen today, i would say it's pending i would not say it in the backlog. something happened two weeks ago i think it's patented don't have so much time in the day to get out into these investigations. i think the number is a large people think the fire department is not doing its work. so, i think you'll be interesting. i like to know personally, of that to 70, how many coming in the last eight with a 30 days versus -something-year-old for sure is a backlog. it seems there should be some window of time where your team is allowed to be conducting an investigation and it's just considered open before it starts making the

statistics look- >> agree. the other thing i may have mentioned this and i apologize if i already did but were talking to 70, without instruction structure fires, vehicles like it were talking outside right. importable toilet fires. sophie look at the 270, i believe it's 159, if i'm not mistaken, rationally structure fires. the rest or other three are mentioned. >> understand supervisor campos office would like to have a hearing on this issue. i would encourage you to make the data more clear as to what the timeline ashley looks like and the different types of fires. i think that the other fires are important thing was pure concerned about those concerned about structural fires. that's a big delta. 270, to once again

thank you again and figured your deputy and the capt. for diving in and taking this on. i appreciate it. is there any other questions or comment on this item? seeing none, regard to the next item, please >> item 6, report on the fiscal year 316-2017 capital budget. >> good morning mr. persaud. >> the morning commissioners. allow me a moment to load up the presentation. good morning,

commissioned under present the next item was the discussion and possible approval of the province capital budget request. this is in conjunction and peril to the overall budget process but due to the fact that capital budget initials are little different the timeframe for submittal is a little different it's on a separate track. just want to go over the process. the departments cements its proposed budget request to the capital planning committee. this year there do on this friday, january 15. they're vetted to the capital planning committee which is made up of representatives from mayor's office, comptroller's office, board of supervisors, and various other department heads were representatives. that's through process in april-may and they develop internally different scenarios with regards to overall funding, and

once the mayor's office sorts through their overall budget process bill approves one of the scenarios for the capital planning committee and that is what is committed as the bears overall budget. the overall land for the capital planning committee is incorporated into the city's 10 year capital plan. the assumptions made in there that are consistent with what committed to the mayor's office. as you all know, and has been discussed here and everywhere quite a bit, we have a variety of facility issues due to the age and deferred maintenance of our facilities. we have received mostly to the easter bond program which is been great, don't get me wrong, but it did not address the amount of facility need that we have. so, it's been very positive and those projects will continue to work on and i'll get into more of that later but it doesn't necessarily cover all of our

needs for sure. there's a lot of deferred maintenance due to funding issues and those deferred maintenance have led to additional problems, for example with roof leaks if they're not repaired they be two additional facility issues down the line. so, we've had funding issues, securing funding to address these facility issues and we've explored other opportunities such as grants, nor to make some of the differences we saw the large outstanding balance of issues. so, here is a look of our historical budget for the past few years. as you can see, it's not really much. when looking at approximately 50 facilities that we have, and we've received anywhere from 600,000 to $2.5 million over the past five years which is not address does not really make a dent in facility issues. so, is he on the next five,

given kind of the overall health of the city at last year's budget process, that amount was increased which was great. we received $3.5 million in the current year to large increase over what we received in the previous two fiscal years, but again that's not nearly enough to make a large dent in our facility issues. as the last years budget process over to your process, so the second-year approval, which the first-year approval this year, was passed and you could see were allocated about $2.9 million. that is reviewed annually because was approved last year doesn't necessarily mean it will be approved this year it week to go through the entire process again. that's what's coming before you. so, i want to discuss the proposal before you would you share that and if you don't have copies available. we've been working very closely and i think we discussed it here, very closely with the department of public works. in conjunction with 2014 easter bond there in the process of completing a department wide the soul of the

assessment that will take a look at each individual department facility and address a variety of examine all the systems in there to determine kind of an overall state of need for the department. i was done back in 2010 bond. that's almost complete. the working on that currently. the data before you hear is from limitary data from that analysis. i believe probably in the next moment the be request to present, not just that, but overall the 2014 e. upon as a separate item in front of the commission. i will allow them to go through their methodology and a process that. but we did take some of that women are a data for the proposal before you here. they looked at the facility in each issue, for example, apparatus doors, roofs and those etc., they modeled out some cost estimates. in addition, labeled them specific, priority so from serious and severe to moderate and, so for the propeller

purpose of our proposal here, we have prioritized the serious and severe recommendations from the department of public works. in addition to that, we've also prioritized based on location for example division houses battalion houses as well and that's incorporated into the proposal before you. we are looking at approximately $89 million as a request over the two years in previous years we submitted one lump but in order to more aligned with both the capital planning process, as was the overall two-year budget process, we've now split this into two separate years. so, the total over $40 million a year the total is about $89 million and i'll run briefly through the price. we have roof replacements. exterior angles including painting. windows, showers, mechanical and hvac systems in the firehouses, emergency generators, exhaust

extractors, electrical infrastructure, sidewalk and site work and a lot of the concrete and surroundings of the buildings. kitchens, apparatus bay doors, to open for the apparatus, also, discussed here previously it infrastructure upgrades. that's kind of a new project as we been working with it. a lot of the new technology systems, for example some of the capabilities the new system were not able to implement just given the lack of or kind of the outdated it infrastructure in our facilities. so we are requesting some updates that. some oxygen cascade systems in the firehouses as well as some additional work on the chief's residence. so, i want to highlight some other outside of the capital budget, other capital related projects going on. we were approved for about $1.5 billion in federal fema assistance firefighter grant

funding for exhaust extractor upgrades in the early ongoing at our firehouse and that will upgrade exact extractor system at 37 stations did the main stations recovered by either easter or some other funding. in addition planning is ongoing for the 2014 easter bond. those who project and program. in addition i mentioned dpw is completing the overall facility analysis department take a look at each individual station. coming for the stars upcoming projects, as many of you know, were busy planning the new ems facilities for the help on this you. that's a work in progress. were closing up m pre-much all the focus scope projects from the easter break 10 bond. those are pretty much all completed. then, the two larger megaprojects from that bond position five station 16 plaisance, which beat later this year. then, will begin

anticipating what this year on a lot of focus scope projects for the easter 2014 bond as was continuing on the approval process the replacement of station 35. and of longer term on the horizon, there's currently a third easter bond plan for 2020. with that, i like to open up to any question. chief body is here as well. he can address some of the more detailed capital requests were specifics if you would like as well. >> is there any public comment on this item? seeing none, any questions, comments from commissioners? commissioner cleaveland >> thank you for your work on this. it's been one of my concerns when i came on the commission almost 2 years ago that the facilities of the fire department in general were just not up to what they needed to be. i know we have been asking for years and years apparently for more infrastructure investments in the fire department just has not

happened. so, i'm pleased to see this report is comprised of wendy to get a full report updated on every single fire department facility in the city to know exactly what we need. as someone coming from the real estate industry, i know how critical it is to maintain what you have. is a lot easier and less-expensive to maintain what you have enough to build new. so, i thought this reports. i hope you continue to do this on a regular base. now, my questions involve several things. one, when you're doing with the sidewalk and the site work item, it's a small item, but it's also one that carries a lot of liability. i'm wondering whether you want to prioritize everything into fy 16-17 move everything over from the 17-18 to the 60-70 because that's an issue with apartment can be sued by outsiders. i think that leaves us vulnerable and i think we need to think about shifting that a little

bit. >> i don't think that's an issue at all. there's absolutely a lot of liability that comes along with that for injuries or claims to the city posted by means that something we can modify it request for. speak up in the kitchen's area, the 132,004 $14 for a number of the station. what does the one of 13 what does the $102,000 by? >> associates and upgrade of easy for the doctorbits until they get into each station and begin work but i think that deals with cabinetry, flooring, some small amount of plumbing associate with it not necessarily the entire house but plumbing and electrical upgrades as well. there's a lot of stations that no cabinet doors just have been together used every day quite a bit adjust the wear and tear on the kitchens in addition to any leaks or anything like that though cause additional damage >> you went in and did a general assessment of the

number of firehouses of their kitchens that are underpar and then one may take 500,000 another take 50,000? so these are averages? >> i will confirm thaton the dpw modeling, how they cost out those assumed costs. >> in the apparatus bay doors, apparently what is it $141,240 for one door? >> correct. >> expensive garage door >> yes. a lot of electrical >> are these competitively bid. to get to her good two or three competitive bids and we have to customize each tour for each firehouse?. there's a lot of customization with the post to sizing, but in general, the complete guide to the city procurement process and put out to bid. we look at moving from

kind of a telescopic door to a bifold door that will out much more easier access in case power goes out or anything like that. it's much easier to open and maintain, also. the stations that size to allow that that the model were looking to move to >> to a current vendor we use a writer basis is been consistently below bidder and provides a good quality door? >> unfortunately, we haven't replaced by funding to replace many in recently and so we been using a few vendors for maintenance. with a talk with a few vendors just as far as what is offered in the marketplace and those cost will continue. i would say we of the selected vendor but we do work with a few to make sure we get what we need. >> what is the turnaround time generally from wondering a door to getting it? >> approximately 4 months. installation is relatively-it's more the ordering and make sure the sizing is correct. >> that's than what my

concerns from day one. how quickly we can sure around these requests. i don't like to see her firefighters in firehouses that need repair and it takes months and months and months for them to get repaired. i think that's not acceptable >> absolutely. that's a judge with some of the other things will work out with purchasing dpw with regard to fire department being emergency department and is the way to expedite- >> i brought that up before and i'll can need to bring that up. our cities critical service departments, please, fire, we need to have a fast-track way to get our purchases and our needs dealt with more quickly, and we need to do it. >> i absolutely agree >> on the ip intersection upgrades two and $47,800 what does that bias? >> that is the replacement of some electrical wiring, the lighting a new pa and speaker

systems. then there's also the software opponent and that we done more of the it project proposals but is far as what is strictly covered by capital is more the wiring and hardware on it. >> were going to spend 1.3 million to upgrade the cheese residence. the chief does not live in the residence. what are we using the chiefs residence for? >> so, were working currently to do some outfitting as a backup department operational center. t want to add anything further >> that's accurate i do not live in a residence synthetic chief of the department because of the aging facility, but we do have some antique pieces as well as upgrading parts of the residence to function as a backup department operating center. >> i think that's all my

questions for the moment. speaking of >> any other questions or comments? commissioner nakajo >> thank you. are you looking for this request to be adopted and approved this morning? >> yes, sir >> so it is an action item >> correct. the duke i also want to make sure that >> i also want to make sure that when we make this capital request to the cpc, what is the source of this fun? it's not a general fund source. >> it would be a general fund sort. yes. it's part of the overall mayor's budget

>> so the request is part of the general fund and part of an annual quest that all departments make annually? >> good. other variously there's other avenues for department funding. there's hunting elsewhere and there's any other grant funding grant related funding would show up in the process as well, but the intense purposes of the fire department is relying on general fund is been a complete general fund request. >> i appreciate the information in your presentation. in terms of what we requested in the past, because currently we are requesting 89-what is the last? >> correct. over $89 million over two years. last year we requested, i believe, $54 billion. which is one lump sum request but given the information we received thus far from dpw is a number of

additional priorities we want to include. >> in terms of last year's request, the 54, what were we granted out of that 54? >> we were allocated 3.5 million and then 2.9 in the second year of the two-year budget >> i appreciate the justification for this ask in 89 million but i want to hear the justification from staff in terms of asking and requesting this number, which more adequately fits our needs, and i want to know how realistic is that? >> is it realistic will get $89 million. given the wedding last year's allocation was one of the highest we've ever received from capital and then given that it was a much more positive economic climate with regard to the budget process, and this year were not requested to reduce any good this year the province were requested to reduce although i'm hoping we can obviously we love to spousal received last

year but we hope to maintain in the current year. >> again, what we received last year was how much i can? >> 3.5 million this year and next year was 2.9 million >> for a total of-? >> a little over 6 million. >> okay. i think we commented in the past, the commission we would rather have a realistic number presented in requested in terms of our needs then to hold back or not submit because we haven't been successful in terms of our particular request. last year, again, this 13.6 that was granted was in a good fiscal year. this year in terms of the request are we being asked for 2-3% cutback? >> 1.5%, yes >> 1.5% this year and 1.5% next year?

>> correct speed it still sounds like a cut to me speak you absolutely but to answer your question with our two total overall that something dpw will probably be presenting, we talked in the past i think the number came from the initial assessment back in 2010 we've said we've had $400 million of overall needs for the apartment facilities. it's been upgraded unfortunately has increased even given the work that was done on 2010 easter fun. bolan very numbers looking at when you incorporate not only the projects takes before you but look at seismic, retrofitting and all other including ed upgrades come with my conditions your facility were now the range about $600 million. so, that will be part of dpw presentation before you. we do again, to my colleagues in that apartment and achieve, i'd rather have a realistic number in terms of what our needs are. because we've always been in the process of trying to educate the rest of the

mayor's office and every other participant in terms of our needs. as our needs grow, and as commissioner cleaveland went to various questions in terms of our needs, it's clear that, again, for department to be able to serve were going to need these kinds of funding sources with its capital or whether it's vehicle replacement. we always seem to be missed somewhere in terms of our urgent need. not talk about probabilities. i'm just talk about what israel. my last question is, in terms of this $89 million request, i know the easter bunny is not that the of up until 2020, but are we going to be strategically trying to develop some kind of strategy to encompass this next easter on whatever shortfalls are the come out within this next capital request? >> absolute. stories project specifically will be addressed

in the 2040 easter bond and that's what's underway now. some of these locations of some of the specific projects will be addressed. not all them, obviously that's a project list has been finally identified you can extract them but there's always project that would replace him on our request. with regards to-even with the easter funding we have not going to limit all our shower needs a window needs. will help but it's not going to illuminate that. >> i think the point of view i want to leave with is our need obviously of resources of funding and somewhere along the line is not to come from the city and county, it's got to come from a summer else. the easter bond has done one mechanism to do that. i think we should be aggressive to be able to look for that as a resource. thank you very much. thank you mdm. pres. >> any other questions commissioners? commissioner hardeman

>> thank you mdm. pres. i'd like to compliment you on your natural ability with numbers. you did a terrific job on your presentation. not to belabor anything, i'm curious the two big numbers i see here on the fault of the 14 items. ventilating air conditioning boilers and electrical take up most of the money next year. so, does that include carpentry, painting, sheet rock and everything? is that strictly how do you itemize that? does it include all those things that surrounded were statistically-because it seem like a big number >> shirt. that is a lot of our stations of old infrastructure and even for electrical, for example, when we for example

returned result washer attractors for washing personal protective equipment. the current actual system just won't sufficiently supports one of the new washers. there's a lot of those issues that go along with it. but your original point, i believe it covers the sheet rocking this ambivalence that there's other issues in the station that those applied outside of electrical it's epic. >> thanks. keep up the good work. >> ice president covington >> thank you mdm. pres. thank you for your presentation is to corso. i wondered just my first question regarding the -regarding this page. it begins with the projects and roof replacement and goes down to

the chief's residence. is not in alphabetical order. is it in order of urgent need or- >> i believe it's in any order specifically. it was just based on how the projects were laid out. i think just with dpw. there's no rhyme or reason to it. it's kind of the item or good i'm happy to outlook guys it. >> no. i just want to be clear if this was in order >> is not in priority order. >> all right. it's also not in monetary order as well. >> correct. it represents the dollar amounts represent the highest priorities in g2 of those projects but not as a project by project priority. >> thank you. the roof replacement. i've been visiting our various stations, and since we had such a lengthy drought and node had these heavy rains, there is a great need for roof replacement. i don't know if chief lombardi wants to talk a little more about that or anything else on this list?

>> sure, thank you commission. there's a great need for the roofs and everywhere else. i think when the most important takeaways for mr. corso's presentation, which was excellent, if that in fact in 2009 we surveyed our surveys are stations were about we heard $80 million worth of needed. easter bond passed in 2010 they give us $65 million. another easter bond passed in 2014 that gave us $85 million. so total we've had $150 million, wait. so, you would think 3-180 would have put a $50 million worth of need left but in fact were not getting enough money fast enough in our need is growing. we just met with dpw we welcome to give your presentation next meeting or any meeting on the near future on the easter bond update. anticipating our need in 20 2020 to be $600 million. twitter $380 million problem,

through one or 50 added and in 2010 and work about $600 million problem. so were not addressing the needs asked. ruth saucily comes inside the problem gets compounded and compounded. the point is not getting the easter bonds are great they're helping us out. but unless we get some capital funding help here would have a bigger problem. >> thank you. i would like to talk about each of these items individually but we don't have time. so, i did ask about the roof them and also the emergency generators. i understand our state-of-the-art generators, the ones that are newest, will last for three days. but that we have generators that at some houses that won't last that long. is that correct? >> correct. every single one of our fire stations is equipped with emergency generator. i goes out everywhere in the city, are for

stations will be up and running. i knew standard is that those generators the fuel tank that will sustain three days. our older standards, wendover put in place, did not suffice that need. it's not that we will be not operational we also the portable field unit we have to go around if you will be things to keep them going. but when we talk about the money involved in these, all our generators are old. they're put in an old. basically, almost 70% of them need to be replaced. they do the original estimate in 2009, what it would cost for emergency generator at 45 different fire stations it was $50,000. when in all reality, 2010 easter, the applicant an emergency generator that's it under $250,000. >> this, to me is so important because we ask our citizens to be prepared to be on their own

for, what is it, 91-92 hours, something like that. so we can't leave the firefighters without a source of energy. it just flies in the face of logic. i think this is a very important item. these emergency generators. i just wanted to highlight that. then, i do have a question regarding dpw completing a conference of study of department facility and current capital needs. how long would this assessment take ? do either of you know? >> yes. he assessment was actually done. this one up to mr. cleaveland's think. when the 2014 bond passed with reassess our stations. it actually was a great move because we've grown up of $280 million number both him and

allow the new number which is dramatically bigger. >> with around 600? >> it on the 600 range. it got around reassess every station in the apartment. that is done. there telling the final numbers and we seen limited she. mr. corso was able to come up with numbers. they don't want to publicize that she because they're verifying everything, but like i said, prepared ex-meeting if it fits in your agenda to come up and did a full presentation on easter and those numbers would be revealed at that point. >> so, is the difference between the first number in those current number is that due to finding more need or is it escalation of replacement cost? >> i think there's a few issues. one is the original cost was in 2009 dollars. that's when the original estimate was dumb. this estimate is done in current dollars. then, when he originally get an estimate they broke into three groups. okay, being green, moderate being yellow color, and severe problem being read. if we have not addressed those moderate problems in the last five

years, then obviously those moderate problems one would assume would turn to a severe problem. the problems is continually get worse. >> well, thank you chief lombardi. and mr. corso. >> just a couple questions at first a comment. i think you, for another very thorough presentation of civil war but since i won't get to sit again, you're one of the hardest working people in the department and i truly truly appreciate how much dedication and care you put into putting together your report. so thank you for that. >> thank you. spewed a no issue with the numbers. i've no idea what a kitchen cost. just a suggestion in terms of maybe more persuasive. i know most recent budget we were given funds and we hired an industrial hygienist. i wonder if you would be useful to have