so it impactss areas definitely commissioner vice president richards. >> i'm looking forward to get to the finish line action on the 25 when we do this next. >> commissioner antonini and i'd like to add it a have good list by commissioner wu the other thing the displacement of business interests in buildings where they might take advantage of the sites i brought up the right of first refusal and i'd like to see if staff works that that was one of the biggest concerns and the realistic concerns brought up by the speakers. >> if i can take the opportunities to talk about commissioner wu thank you for listing those if mean we'll act on all of them selectly but

splits think some that sends a message when it goes on to the board in my opinion. >> commissioner hillis. >> i think that was a great list a hierarchy or i know again going back to the gas station on 19th street versus mr. of the sites commissioner vice president richards was looking at in noah valley and you know you or you can imagine lee lapd's is smaller but some sort density that gets complicated in issue of the design adjustment you know, i asked this before if we see the floor needs to be setback how that effects the percentage of quotes the

project. >> i'm sorry. >> pilot program added to the list. >> okay commissioners, if there's nothing further shall i call the question? on that motion to continue this matter with specific questions from the commission commissioner antonini commissioner hillis commissioner moore no commissioner wu no commissioner richards and commissioner president fong so moved, commissioners, that motion passes that passes 4 to two with commissioner moore's and commissioner wu voting against that places us in general public comment i have no speaker cards. >> any general public comment

seeing none, the meeting is adjourned . >> we all know a major earthquake will eventually hit san francisco are reproerl presented san francisco is making sure we are with the public safety buildings. >> this consists of 4 consultants the police headquarters with the from 850 with a brand new fire station

number 4 to serve mission bay swimming pools at office of economic workforce development in the fire station thirty. >> is the the hall of justice on bryant the new home for 2 hundred and 50 uniform and voiven compresses we all it was opened in 19 so sociothat is a 50-year improvement as far as structure and work environment had that will be a great place to work. >> when construction began in 2011 this was with an clear goal to make sure with the big one heights the resident will will have a function police department those are the highly seismic standards it is up to operate up to 96 hours from the police department perspective that building is self-sufficient

for a main made arrest in all disastrous zake ever after we will run our operational from here no matter what happens this building and the people that serve the businesses will continue to function building is designed to meet lead goal certification and also to art installations on the campus that was designed and constructed to better sense of ability so for example, we're using solar water heaters we're also urging gray water for reuse inform flush water and rainwater for the cooling and irrigation locked on third street and mission rock is it serves the motorbike neighborhood and motorbike i moiks is a growing neighborhood and the intent of the bond to have please and fire

serves to serve the community. >> hemming helping to keep the building and the stay safe was the not the only opportunity it creates many jobs with 82 bleb businesses overall san franciscans contributed one hundred and 87 thousand hours to help to complete the project it shows the city of san francisco the elected officials and police officers and more importantly the voters that paid for the building this is what we can do with when we wrorpt this is a beacon when we need to build new extra we can trust them with the money and the plan they did a good job the san francisco public is a reminder of the importance of being presented and will continue to serve the

residents for decades to comein >> roll call taken. >> the next item is approval of the minutes of november 19th, 2015. the explanatory documents are

the draft documents and this is for action. >> colleagues we've got the minutes in front of us. if you had the chance to review and we could entertain a motion to approve of said minutes. >> i move. >> moved by commissioner wald. >> is there a second? >> do we have public comments on the minutes? seeing none, public comment is closed. >> the next item is public comment, the public may comment on the jurisdiction and not on today's agenta. >> if i can just a moment, this is an opportunity where we sometimes have a chance to welcome new commissioners that we have. i remember when i joined the commission, i wanted to let folks know who i was and what i was about, and the fact we have two new commissioners, i would like to exercise the prerogative of the chair in introducing the

two commissioners to hear about them so we know who they are, what they're going to be bringing to the commission and how excited we are to work with them. maybe in the order they joined us, please welcome commissioner lisa hoyos and please welcome commissioner jacqueline omotalade. >> and lisa, if you could tell us about your background and then we'll hear from the public. >> click on mic. it probably says mic off on the screen. if you click it will go to mic on. >> rookie mistake. hi guys, lisa hoyos, very honored to be on the commission. i have a ballpark 25-year background. mostly advocate on environmental justice and advocating for fair

trade policy and against the wtmo policy that passed the laws that protect us in the communities. i worked with the blue green alliance, green peace and now i run an organization called climate parents and our goal is to mobilize parents to clean energy. i am latina and bilingual and enthused about the department of environment and pleased to know debbie on past work and the espirt decorps and also josh who i have known from labor work and appreciate your leadership. >> welcome aboard. and commissioner omotalade. >> hi, good evening everyone, first and foremost, i'm so honored to be a part of the commission.

just seeing the amazing work the commission is doing and all the innovative thinking outside the box programs and projects going on. i had the opportunity to see debbie speak yesterday evening on a forum post paris, and was just amazed. every time i hear her speak it blows me away and the fact she's a female knocks it out of the park. thank you for your leadership. i'm equally honored to search with the amazing commissioners here. i'm so impressed and in awe of the amazing work. to tell you about myself before i wrap it up. i have a very strong background in public health and environmental health and the intersection of the two. that's the strong set and the skill i bring to the environmental commission. i have worked in africa, asia on environmental health and public health and strengthening those

policies in nongovernment organizations. i look forward to working with you all and feel free to come chat with me. >> welcome aboard. this is an opportunity to turn to public comment. just one thing as we open up and anyone can come up and speak to any item not on the agenda. a lot of times when we close meetings, we adjourn in honor of people and particularly people long time leaders have passed. i want to do something different and open our meeting in honor of a true environmental injustice champion who passed away sunday. she was one of first commissioners of this commission. she was a civil rights champion based in hunters point and city wide. her work travelled through this country and beyond. dr. espanola jackson put in tireless energy in the city. she stood for opportunity. she stood for equal treatment.

she stood for fairness and she stood for social justice. she was a leader of small but dynamic and powerful coalitions that passed welfare rights legislation, built community institutions, shut down dirty power plants. but solar in our communities. created local hireings for jobs and communities. she helped to launch earth day and she was fighting for our community. i want her spirit to fill the room and i want us to think of her and everyone she did. dr. espanola jackson was a true environmentalist and i want open in our honor. so, public comment and please, come on up and speak to anything we don't have listed on the

agenda tonight. actually, if you want to hand to anthony you can get a copy and other copies will be distributed. >> my name is [inaudible] i want to talk -- >> microphone please. >> we will get you set up in one second. >> there you go. >> it's about natural areas project which is no way natural. it uses tons of herbicides and cutting trees. cutting down healthy trees and about 18 and a half thousand trees and totally unacceptable. as you know, the climate conference, climate conference in paris put down the

deforestation as major problem contributing to climate change. meanwhile, san francisco is getting its, the city's own contribution to climate change by cutting down 18,000 trees. i also want to tell you about a book which was published last year. the book is called "invention of nature". he was about alexander and tons of places are named after him, and he undertook, went on an exhibition on the high -- in

ecuador, doesn't matter. they cataloged everything on the mountain. it was reviewed on friday and was in 802. however in 202, the exhibition was repeated and it turned out that all the vegetation moved up 500 meters. meanwhile, san francisco, it's natural area program is dying with the vegetation that was here 250 years ago. the things i give to you, one is the letter of [inaudible] the distinguished professor on evolution and equality. about the same program, about eir for the plan. and another one is a little

thing like the reason for doing all this thing, very damaging, cutting trees, using herbicides. presumably, what they are doing -- >> 30 seconds. >> can you put on screen? >> can we have the screen, please. >> it's about helping native species. this little thing, can we have the screen? >> you can't see it but they can. it just shows tons of many more of the things go native using, you utilizing the plants and thank you very much. >> thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> good evening ms. flynn.

>> good evening, commissioners, chairman of the board, of the commission, my name is jackie flynn. i'm the executive director of the a. phillip random association. i want to thank you for honoring dr. espanola jackson who served our city for years and all the way until the end, i believe that her mission really inspires folks like you and me and everybody up here to focus on environmental impacts that really affect communities of color that oftentimes we're not a part of the conversation. i want to thank you for that. and i want to thank you, josh, because i heard this is your last commission meeting. before i get to that. let me congratulate the two new commissioners on the board here. one, i am very happy to see an

entire panel of women, although i think we have a little bit of a loss without josh there. i am very happy to see two women of color on this commission along with the rest of the members here to really have a broad and diverse conversation about how these environmental and social impacts affect communities and of course, i come through the lens of a community that is low-income, communities of color. i serve youth as well as adults. i have been here before to say there needs to be a bridge between the gap of the communities and the work you all do. over the years, i have seen that change. i truly appreciate that because commissioner arce had a goal to do. when former commissioner angelo

king was here, it's easy to do outreach and say this is important, this is important. but it's very hard to draw them here to city hall. you took it to our community and i thank you for that. with that stated, i would love everybody to understand that there's a lot of care given to bringing these issues to our communities. i would like to see that continue on, and i'm just very happy and very i think motivated to see what happens in this next year with the department of environment. some of you guys are familiar with the leadership academy that we ran last year. i had a lot of young folks not only come to commission meetings just like this one, but the board meet the folks that actually run our city and talk about issues that really impact our communities. i had young people talking about water, wind farms on the water. and so these are ideas that i hope come across your way over

the next couple years. we need to be innovative and restoring and keeping this wonderful community we have. i want to thank you all and make sure you know the community is always watching. me may not be here but we're always watching. thank you again. >> thank you. thanks, jackie. any other speakers? our good friend paul juste with recology. >> usually when i come to the commission, i'm reporting on some new fun pilot. tonight i get the honor of representing recology and saying good bye to josh from the committee and thanking him for his leadership and hard work. although if i know josh, it's not the end of environmental issues for him, and i will still be getting phone calls and being involved. welcome to the new

commissioners. look forward to working with you and moving the agenda forward. it seems politicians always ask is it better now than when i got here? that's an unquestionable yes. so welcome. >> thank you. brother paul. thank you. all right. any other members of the public? yes good evening. >> hello i'm linda garcia millhone and a citizen of san francisco since 1972. i take a walk around my neighborhood almost every day. i watched my beautiful forest being destroyed right before my eyes and it makes me heart sick. we used to hike a lot on mount davidson and considered ourselves fortunate to have an urban forest blocks from our home. something sinister is going on

all throughout the san francisco park system and that is the invasion of a plant extremist which force their habitat management on our parks. their plan to change the parks back to the way they were at some specific time in history with only plants that may have been growing at this time, and naming a more recently plant species invasive and it be eradicates using herbicides. yet plants, nonnative species routinely long our state not managed by park and rec. i encourage your committee to demand an environmental impact report be thoroughly conductd

and stop this ecological program before more harm can be done. thank you very much. >> thank you. any other speakers? yes. >> good evening. >> evening commissioners. my name is pat skein. i live on slope boulevard. i sent the secretary a copy of an article in california invasive plants bulletin dealing with carcinogens. i believe you put a lot of work in the proposals implemented in the city right now. this is an excellent article in as much as it discusses the use of round up and i think it's important to put things in perspective and a lot of that has to do with dosage. one of comments made in here by

the author is that the concentrations used in the study are higher than what an herbici herbicide -- >> sir, i apologize, technically this item is on the agenda. if you don't mind, we can bring you up right out of the gate on the pesticide agenda. we have that agendized as number 6. this is for items not on the agenda. as soon as we're done with number six, presentation to go to public comment, you will be first in line and have all the time over again. any other speakers? >> all right.

seeing none, public comment is closed. can we hear item 4. >> the next is community outreach #things to do, marketing specialist and this item is for discussion. >> you know, if we can make just for, if we can do this friday, we can tell our commissioners about this innovation which was the idea of commissioner angelo king was some years ago when we went to sf gov and sfgov tv. we could put a program for the public to learn about. for the past several years we started off with a presentation of what we're doing is it's

great friday is here to tell us about sf what to do and zero waste campaign and it's exciting and very fun. >> it is, can i request just sfgtv change the screen to the presentation? and i just want to make sure -- good evening commissioners, as josh said, tonight i would like to share with you the experience created by our coffee pop up. so a few short years ago, bringing your own bag or excuse me, in a few short years, bringing your own bag to the grocery store has become the norm and now we'd like that to

be true for coffee cups. so to start this transition, we created a coffee shop experience and placed it in high traffic pedestrian areas. then we gave out free coffee to anybody who brought their own mug. first, to reward the people carrying a mug and to also encourage those people who did not to start. this is the experience or this experience walked people through the single use coffee cup consumption and the environmental impacts and this is the importance you might have had had you come and joined us. it's a few days before the event and you're browsing through your social media. get your mugs ready sf.

byoc sf. coffee always wins. [laughter] >> come have a cup with us sf. good morning, can i get you a cup of coffee? great. do you have a cup? oh, you don't? well, we're giving away coffee cups to anyone, we're giving away free coffee to anyone who has their own cup, if you don't have one, i have a cup that i'm happy to give you. today we're talking about how coffee tastes better when the cup isn't tossed.

wouldn't you agree? so, in order to get one of these cool mugs, full of coffee, you'll have to trade me for some social media. so, take a walk around this structure and photograph something that speaks to you. something that will remind you to bring this cup every day. then, write it in your own words about why you are going to remember this totally awesome cup every time you go to the coffee shop because that is the sf thing to do. isn't it? to bring your own cup? yes. >> yes. >> so, make sure that you use the #sf thing to do in your post right up here and show me your post and i will give you a mug full of coffee. oh, good morning. i see you have your own cup, come right up here, let me fill

it up. thank you so much for bringing your own mug. high 5. we are here for the next three days. please come back and bring your cup with you. we are happy to fill it up as much as you like. okay. so, let me see your posts. i will remember to bring my cup because it is the sf thing to do and i don't want to be part of the 12 pounds of waste from tossing my cup. great post. awesome. here is your cup of coffee. have a nice morning. so commissioners, are any of you willing to trade me social media for a totally awesome cup? >> does that have coffee in it? right now? >> yes. >> >> absolutely.

>> thank you. thank you. all right. >> i'm not going to double -check that you social media this minute. but i do trust that tomorrow i will see quite a few #sfthing to do. thank you friday. you thought i was joking when i said and fun too? now you know. thank you. that was great. comments, colleagues? thoughts? ideas, take aways, commissioner hoyos. >> i had the benefit of seeing friday do this at the operations meeting and it was exciting to see how much attention you generated. i would love to see the starbucks buddy giving you the

high five. where now i feel trepidation, out of line. i'm curious what kind of work you have experienced moving the coffee vendors to courage with their social media and signage bringing your own cup. >> we are just in infancy of this campaign. this is just one of i hope to be many, many steps along the road of talking about not only disposable coffee companies but consumption as a whole. noted and look for some more. >> commissioner stephenson. >> i love this program and also had the benefit of seeing the proposal. >> hit the microphone. >> turn on your mic, commissioner. >> sorry, i'm a little out of practice having missed a couple meetings. i also got the benefit of seeing the presentation that friday gave at the operation's committee meeting last week and so completely impressed by what

you're doing in outreach. i'm so impressed with how data driven you have been. i would love for you to throw out numbers, how many posts you got. we would all love to hear it. >> absolutel i have them in my book and also in my head. we gave away approximately 2000 mugs like you received and through that we did ask every single person to post to social media and we viewed them just like i showed you. i made them show me, press post. i know there are 2000 posts. however because of privacy settings and those kinds of things, we can't search and see all of them. the but of those that we can see, we know that we generated just between twitter and instagram over 400,000 earned

media impressions. so that's a huge extension and that is on a very small number of those 2000 posts. so, we know that we've had a really extensive reach not just in san francisco but beyond the borders of the city. >> commissioner hoyos. >> commissioner wald. >> commissioner omotalade. >> hello. i would just like to say i love this program. this is so awesome. i love the fact that you're using social media to do something hip and cool. people are always asking how to do small things to make a big impact. bravo to you and making it viral. >> thank you. >> commissioner wald. >> so ditto from me. but i also want to know what are

your plans to follow up? are you going to be having another coffee pop up experience some place in downtown san francisco? maybe even in super bowl city? >> we are not. we are not putting this up in super bowl city. although, the original activation did happen in justin herman plaza which is where super bowl city is now. we don't have any activation on the books at the moment, but we do still have the structure. it's quite large. so one of the lessons learned for us is that we have had a little bit of a difficult time trying to find a space large enough to be able to have this footprint. but they're absolutely, our intention is i should say. i should not say absolutely. our intention is to reactivate

the pop up. >> i would encourage you to do that. it takes so much repetition to get people to change ingrained habit. it's wonderful you're >> thank you. >> all right. other comments? director feld? comments? so, seeing no more comments. public comment on the presentation? seeing none. public comment is closed. thank you. well done, friday. yes. let's hear it for friday. all right. item five, please. next is 2015-02-coe commending monica fish for her time on the

commission. draft 2016-02-coe. the speakers are joshua arce and director. >> thank you. anthony. you first or me first? >> all right. i will just say a couple thoughts. i know one thing i know about monica fish, the amazing monica fish, the one and only monica fish is she loves when people talk about all the great things that she has done. [laughter] >> she loves it. and then we will get together and do a whole bunch of photos and we're going to read long lists of things she's done. we're going to talk about her and she just loves it. she is so humble. she is so hard working. she helped on all the things

that when i think about my years on the commission, which are coming to an end and i will be with monica, we will find some stuff to plot and think of from the outside. but i think about all the things as i have thought the past few years of the commissioner. she's been the glue, she was the glue on all those different things. jackie flynn mentioned going out to the neighborhoods. we have our staff going out and there's so much work. all of a sudden monica would be lining up permits and floor plans to line up the commission and working with the caterers to get food for the community and find the places to fill in the gaps. she would make sure we got our agendas together and it was so tight. when we went out to the port lafor a commission meeting, before we got anthony to come in. we had this moment when monica was back.

the band was back together and monica was there to help us and it was great to see her again and work with her. she really helps to keep us on point. i'm just really happy you're here and we can share our thoughts and pass this resolution because you're great and wonderful. you have meant so much to all of us and particularly me. i just want to thank you for what you have done and give you a big round of applause. [applause] >> director raphael. >> monica, would you come forward so we can talk to you more easily. so, i have known monica for 10 years, which is amazing to think about. over that time and you summarized it so beautifully by calling monica the glue. i think that you are the glue, you are the heart, and you are the integrity of this body.

that the commission operates well when it operates according to the rules, according to the rules that protect democracy. and i don't think it's an understatement to stay that monica is a huge believer in good government. she is a believer in transparency. she's a believer in fairness. and she believes that so deeply that she can be relentless in her pursuit of those ideals. whether it's making sure that staff meet deadlines, insuring that commissioners don't fall into the trap of serial meetings. making sure members of the public have the information due to them. all of those things are critical for the commission to maintain its credibility and for democracy to work. people say democracy is not a spectator sport. and what that means is, we need a way for people to show up and

participate, monica, you made sure everyone had that ability. this is something to take tremendous pride in and i hope you understand the depth of what you offered the city in being so professional, so persistent with so much integrity. your daughter is here. your husband is here. i think it's really wonderful for family members to witness when somebody they love is as loved and respected by the outside world as they are by the inside of a family. and i would say that the department is an extended family. i know the department feels that way. when a family member moves on, it's hard. it's hard and there's some grieving that goes on. so even though you have left us in good hands with anthony, you have changed us and you have set a standard that all of us are

going to work to carry out. i'm so grateful for what you have taught me and what you have given to the city. and this is a small level of appreciation for the depth of appreciation that the city you. so thank you. [applause] >> you know there's no commissioner wald asked if we're the only ones that can speak. there's no format and i think we should read some of the resolution. if there's something else that i know about monica fish, she loves having resolutions about her. maybe you want to tell folks for those watching and those that will view it later. >> sure. resolution number 2016-02-coe. commending monica fish,

congratulating upon her retirement of commission secretary on the commission of the environment. over the course of a decade as the commission on the environment monica fish has worked tirelessly for the san francisco didn't of environment and the entire city and county of san francisco family. whereas monica fish began with the long and distinguished track record having previously earned a bachelor of arts from the university of san francisco and having worked with various public agencies including the department of planning, the office of the controller and the clerk of the board of supervisors, and whereas monica fish began her service on january 24, 2005, where she worked diligently and faithfully until her retirement in june 2015. and whereas monica fish was

responsible for providing administrative support on the commission of environment, the san francisco urban forest, the biodiesel task force. the peak oil task force. the community aggregation and ensuring the department of environment as a whole complied with reporting requirements and earned esteem of her colleagues and the respect of the members of the commission on the environment for being utterly reliable, knowledgeable, detail oriented and for knowing the ins and outs was body of san francisco. whereas monica fish made significant contributions to the department of environment. and it is recognized she implemented a number of systems and procedures that improved the functioning of the commission and the department. whereas we would like to extend

the accommodation and the department of environment hereby signify their appreciation for all the work monica fish performed and wish her the best of luck. be it resolved the san francisco commission on the environment and the department of environment recognize monica fish's contributions to the department of the environment and wish her the very best in her future endeavors. all right. [applause] >> this is really an honor. i thank you commissioners, debbie. i don't have the words. i'm speakerless with everything that you have done for me today. it really means a lot. it's been such an amazing experience working with the department and commission on the environment on such worthwhile efforts to serve our city and planet. i feel really blessed to be given opportunity to have done that all these years and i want

to say everyone that works for the department has such high regard for the department director deborah raphael, the commissioners and their fellow workers are so enthusiastic and really happy to be working at the department. that really speaks a lot for the effort that is the department is doing for the city. i truly appreciate the opportunity that was presented to me. to work for the city and county of san francisco and the department and commission on the environment. i would like to thank me daughter, allison and husband roger for being here. thank you all so much. i really, this. thank you. [applause] >> commissioner wald -- uh >> commissioner wald. >> thank you.

i can't say what a wonderful colleague monica has been for the 10 years that she has been at the department. she knows this job cold and she is the consummate professional throughout all those years virtually every month. we sat across from each other from the table in the policy committee and every month that monica was on the other side of the table, i felt so comfortable knowing that she was in charge. knowing that she knew the rules and the regulations and that she would make sure that i adhered to them and everyone who attending the meeting adhered to them. i was comfortable knowing that she was going to run the meetings with firmness and grace and fairness and she did.

her minutes were absolutely model minutes, and in the days when we didn't summarize them quite as much as we do now, she was so refreshingly open about accepting suggestions for corrections. some of the material was extremely complicated and we're having these e-mails back and forth. i'm not sure i know what this person meant but i'm pretty sure it's not written here. how can we fix this? and miraculously she did. last but not least, on very special occasions like my birthday, make note of this anthony. she brought treats. you barely have been gone monica, and i miss you terribly. i know that we'll all including anthony, struggle through

without you, and i know we will manage. but it won't be the same. we will continue to miss you and we will certainly never forget all the wonderful work and service you provided to this commission, to its committees and the city of san [applause] >> thank you. >> commissioner stephenson. >> i'm not a phone person at all. i'm kind of an e-mail social media person. if you go to my phone and look at commissioner on the environment, yours is the number that comes up. trying to do harassment training toward the end of last year and getting ready for today. there was so many times i had a question that was fleeting, i would have called you or texted you. you're going to be really missed and i really appreciate the

stewardship you gave us and how nimbly you brought every commissioner on. that is a skill that you too are sadly going to miss out on from monica and you left a high bar for everyone to reach, which i know you will do [applause] . >> commissioner bermejo. >> monica, i want to say, i echo the sentiments that have been expressed. when i started on this commission in may, you kept me informed. you almost thought of questions i would ask and you provided answers and i felt so looped into everything and all the wonderful work of the commission that it was so exciting to know. oh, my god, we're doing all these really great things. thank you for your service and the model of good governance we will continue to follow.

thank you [applause] >> commissioner wald. >> monica, want to thank you a lot. i remember when i first stepped on board, you got me through the process and you're the most detail oriented secretary i have ever known to make sure i meet the deadlines. whenever i have questions, i will call you and you answer any time, any day. i really appreciate it. i really hope you enjoy your retirement and travel. >> thank you so much. thank you. >> thank you all again. >> i know you're going to be in great hands with anthony. i talked to him and he's going to be amazing. i will keep you in mind and thank you so much. i will be looking at your >> thank you. [applause] >> we do. we do. so we have a resolution in front

of us, and members of the public that want to comment. mr. eric brooks. >> good evening, commissioners, eric brooks. our city of san francisco and some other groups -- i worked in various capacities as an a activist for 21 years. i have to say. i never had a commission secretary that had a higher level of comprehensive professionalism than monica fish. i mean, a lot of you have already said all the of the reasons that is true. just to give you one small example. monica not only synopsis the minutes but reach out to the members of the public to spoke

to say, does this synopsis reflect what you said? and gets feedback from us if we feel it didn't. so anthony, that's a pointer for you. and that's the kind of extra work and level of dedication and professionalism that every commission secretary should have. the one i met that had the most over this entire 21 year period is monica fish. thanks. >> yeah. [applause] >> our good friend. and former commissioner, ruth. >> good evening commissioners. feels kind of nice to be on this side. reflecting a lot of what our friend mr. brooks just said, i have been a long time advocate and have come in contact with

many representatives and can say with authority, no one has stood out with as much diplomacy, hard work and a whole lot more. as a former member of the commission, i have also been especially impressed by and also very, very grateful for monica's patience with our changing of minds about agenda items and what goes first what the wording of the resolution should be. all managing that with great calmness and equanimity and with monica's hand holding and guiding us as commissioners through all the paperwork and

workshops that were required to do to nobody told us about ahead of time. keeping track of when we need to file the next disclosure form and did we do it and when did we have to take our next online course. always knowing those things and helping us with it. there's so much that monica has done that we were unaware of as josh alluded to to make the commission work. so much that she has done that goes above and beyond the proverbial call of duty. i confess to sometimes taking for granted her contributions. only probably not the only one. working in monica and working with her will be remembered with highlights on the commission. i wish, monica, you, the best in all thank you. [applause] >> any other members of the

public? seeing none, public comment is closed. we have before us the resolution. that's been read and it's been moved by commissioner wald that we approve. second by commissioner bermejo. all in approval say aye, all opposed say no. ayes have it. thank you monica. number 6 please, >> the next item is approval of resolution 2016-01-coe adopting the 2016 reduced risk pesticide list for city properties. the department maintains a reduced risk pesticides list used on public property. there's the cover letter,

there's a typo on page one line 16. instead of carcinogen, it should read carcinogenic. also in the explanatory documents is the safe use of herbicides and analysis of herbicides. modified posting signs for pesticide treatments. public hearing summary from december 16, 2015. the 2016 reduced risk pesticide list and summary of exemptions listed. commissioners you also have the public comment we received by e-mail before the meeting. the sponsor is direct raphael, the speaker is dr. chris geiger. this is for action. >> thanks. >> director raphael. >> yes. commissioners, what you have before you is both familiar and

unfamiliar. when the ordinance was finally adopted in the late 90's, what it said was that all pesticides would be banned from use in san francisco except for those that would be considered consistent with an ipm program, and that list of pesticides along with restrictions would be approved by the commission on the environment and developed under the leadership of the department of environment. so since the year 2000, we have been doing this every year, bringing before you a list of chemicals that is accompanied by specific instructions. so there's a couple things that are different this year than in years past. but all of those 15 times, 16 times we have been doing this,

that list development of it is not done in isolation. it's not done in some back room in a smoke filled chamber where department of environment staff make these decisions in isolation. it's done with a tremendous amount of research of looking at options of trying to minimize harm and of working with partners within the city and outside the city. so what you have before you is the result of hundreds of hours of soul searching. work with other city agencies, work with international bodies, taking into act what they have discovered in their scientific endeavor. it's also important to note this list is not a program. this is not an ipm, integrated pest management program. this is a piece of a larger effort that includes training,

research, that includes constant evaluation, recordkeeping, tracking and evaluation. and that this program that has been developed in san francisco has become the model internationally. having said that, it doesn't mean it's perfect. it doesn't mean that there aren't improvements that can be made every day as we ask the question have we done enough to protect public health, the environment, have we done enough as public servants to make difficult answers. we have done enough to make sure that every member of the city family understands this policy and works closely in compliance with it. something happened earlier this year that was indicated to us that some of the answers were no.

there was more research needed and indeed more training about the use of pesticides. because we're willing to approach it with intellectual honesty. what is in front of you is a larger packet. this time you have a cover memo explaining context, you have revisions to the way we post pesticides. you have a policy that greatly restricts the way city staff are allowed to use the pesticides on the list. and chris is going to walk you through what is before you but i want you to understand that larger context as you vote not only for a list but really for a packet. because when we say you're approving a list, you're not approving a list of chemicals. you're approving methodologists

and prioritization and a general policy the way we approach. i want you to understand that when you cast your vote. with that, chris, take it >> thanks. debbie. >> thanks. just real quick. i see commissioner hoyos on the stack. did you want to go before? >> thank you. director raphael and chris. >> it's nice to be here tonight. thank you debbie. and it's really difficult to follow friday and monica on this kind of agenda. but i will make an attempt. what i'm going to talk about by your request or some commissioner's request, i will present first of all the briefest summary of the program and talk about long-term trends in pesticide use on city property. and then i will go into more of the details of what is transpired in the past year specifically around the round up issue and how that's ended up in

terms of the policy recommendations that you have before you. so, as debbie mentioned, this was the founding program of the department and we have other programs who stakeholder approach was modelled after this. i want to make it clear it's not me or the department, it's all of the major departments who are very close partners in this and have been over the years. we have monthly meetings of our technical advisory committee that you know have gone on for about 16 years, which is an accomplishment in itself actually. we have a couple of members from of ipm coordinators in the audience. kevin woollen and dpw and rec park respectively. later on, if you have questions for them, i think they would be

willing to field that. it's really important to realize this is a team effort. if we're on our own, we would get nowhere. we have champions in the department making it happen with the people on the ground doing treatments and making sure it's done right. whether i say pesticides, i mean herbicides. insecticides. snail killers. anything that kills another organism is what we mean by a pesticide. along the way in developing this program, specifically when debbie arrived in '98. we developed our own screening system for pesticides to put them in three different tiers. i apologize many of you have heard this many times over. this is a system that has developed over the years and been adopted by a lot of other agencies as a shorthand way of

flagging where a potential problem is. it's not hard wired to what is on the list you see before you. it means we take a look at the products in front of you. when i say the tier system, tier one is the most hazardous, tier three is food grade and low toxicity products. so, what i would like to do is just move over. we have this on the screen. so i hope you can see this. this is kind of the overall view of the pesticide use over the years since 1996. and the dotted line represents total pesticides of all kinds. it's active ingredients. that's the best metric we have to measure this, and you'll see there's a big drop at the beginning of the program and it's kind of bumped along since

then. i'm not going to have time to go in the details of bumps. some is due to golf tournaments. golf is a really big user of pesticides. the blue line, it looks like a blue line or green line on the other screen is herbicides. all we use for killing weeds. the red line is fungicides and the different colors on different monitors. the bright blue is insecticides. let me tell you what you don't see on this. what you don't see, over the years we have taken the bad stuff off. i was looking through the list when this program started. it's all those great names you

expect. ambush, they always come up with very military names. we had before this started, we were really using a lot of nasty stuff. so you don't see that or the labor in developing the-chemical approaches we have developed in the curves. what you see on the second graph and probably we're going to have to rush through this. this is a comparison of departments. i hope you have a clear view on the screen than i do up here. the top line, the light blue line is rec park. the one that goes up like this and that corresponds, mostly to golf tournaments. the darker line down from that is the airport. the green line below that is public utilities commission and there's dpw, the gently descending line, good job,

nikki, on the bottom. so there's been a particular amount of interest in herbicide use at rec park. i wanted to break that down for you. the dotted line top is the total use. the orange line is golf. the next one after that is all the other parks and in the bottom one which looks red here is the natural areas program. which is protecting certain areas of parks where they are indemic plant communities. i did receive a note there was missing data. data not in the database. i wanted to let you know, i have not had a chance to check that. it goes through a couple of layers of quality assurance before it makes it to the

database. that may come up later. in any case, the natural error is the lowest use by rec park. another question that came up at the meeting earlier this year was what about public health? what you saw on the previous screens did not include public health treatments. the reason we don't do that is we actually don't have much control over it. if it's a public health issue. if there's a rat infestation in a restaurant or hospital or west nile virus, you know they have to take action on these things. so we have some control over what they use, but it's been a good, you know it really corresponds to a lot of other outside factors. what you see here is the trend for the most hazardous rat baits, rodenticides.

and up until these are what they call second generation rodenticides. these are the ones that kill hawks and owls when they eat the rats we had a campaign called don't take the bait in 2007 where we banned on city properties except for in sewers. the reason we can't do it in sewers, there's no other way to control rats in sewers. there's absolutely nothing else. when it's a public health priority, they have to do something. there's a small amount of use at the airport in quarantine. there's no predators at the airport. the campaign has gone down. since then it's been mostly used

in the sewers and there's a bump recently from the subway. if you read, i don't know if it was the "weekly". the ratpocalypse. this commonly happens after big construction projects. i'm going to -- this is just all other rodenticides and i don't want to go into this too much. there's a little arrow there when laguna honda had rat problems, they had to use the less hazardous rodenticides because trapping and sealing up holes did not help. mosquito treatments over time, they have actually gone up with the advent of west nile virus in 2005. what you need to know about this, that is all, almost all of

that is microbial, a very safe product. it's a bacteria that only affects mosquito they put in the 2000 water. this is a large response with budget issues with puc that supports this work. that may be more than you want to know about pesticide trends. i will just say briefly, what we are working on the biggest activities we have been working on this year along with this response and research on the round up issue is, we are trying to get bay friendly landscaping instituted in the city and moving into next year, this is a big priority. it's a holistic landscape program to design out weeds and

herbicides. that's the long-term solution. having better designs in place in the first place. and at the same time, it involves water conservation, biodiversity and many other goals. there are already about 100 staff at rec park who are bay friendly qualified which is a great thing. rec park is on board with this. the other big thing we will work on is designing pests out of low-income housing. this has been the really exciting program working with the mayor's office and many with the housing authority. i would be happy to come back and talk about that another time. we're talking 3500 units and 13 outside developments in the city. those are bed bug dogs.

those are our best friends entering these inspections. we have followed round up very closely. the issues around toxicology. we have done reviews in the past 10 years to make sure we're up-to-date on literature. upon until last year, it was not ranked very high in toxicity. it was on the list and the most-used herbicide in the city. this is where the difficulty came in. it is a labor-saving product. it is also something that is difficult to replace for certain uses like with deep rooted plants. it does kill the plant by the root. so, when we learned last march

that the international agency for research found this as a probable carcinogen. this is what we hang our hats on and need to take action. what we did was had a public meeting july 2nd where it was an educational event, brought in pesticide expert and had a lot of question and answer on what this means. then we had a series of meetings with 14 agencies around the bay area that we organized around the city to see what the critical uses of these products and what can be replaced by

safer products. what does critical mean? we had other meets with staff in the city to go through this list and we go through this every year to reduce pesticides one by one and ask is this the safest product, do we need to do this control? is the purpose valid to start with? can we do without it? is it affective and a few other questions. that is how we filtered out the bad stuff over the years. and what we ended up with, i wanted to draw your attention to one document, the restriction on most hazardous tier one pesticides. that's the critical document to look at tonight. this is part of -- if you are so approve, this would be part of the reduced risk pesticide list.

it's referred to by the list. it is telling, it is spelling out in much greater detail than we used to where they can still use these products. and long story short, we are, it's no longer going to be used. it's very clear there will be no use for purely cosmetic uses. within 15 feet of designated public paths. there was use for that before. that was a big discussion. no broadcast spraying, which really wasn't happening except at the golf course. and no use on grounds of schools, preschools, children's play grounds and other areas frequented by children. this is something we felt the need to spell out. as a parent, i would be worried about this if you didn't know the details of this that i

unfortunately know, that would be the first question i would ask. and so those are the major changes from, we were not using on schools before. i will say that for sure, and we actually do not have jurisdiction over the sf public schools. but for preschools and rec centers and that sort of thing, we are not using those on the grounds where the kids are rolling around. another important part of this was a requirement that any contractors used for landscape renovations be fully briefed and trained on the ipm policy. we had an incidence of the rebuilding of the rec center did some pretty poor posting and there was a lot of concern in

the community. i don't blame them. you could not tell from the signs where they were going to treat. it said something like stumps and weeds. it could have been the hill side or one plant. so we jumped on that. we stopped the treatment. reviewed with kevin and his crew from rec park and developed a new policy that requires some training and meetings and constraints on what -- contractors doing this sort of work. our next move is going to make that city wide. and then the other part of that particular issue and i'm almost done. sorry. is we are much more clearly requiring that the actual site of treatment be identifiable. they can't just say, stumps and

weeds and put a sign up. it has to be very clearly marked and identifiable. that's why you have a sign in your packet and will ask for a map if it's appropriate. i think that it's very easy to think when you see one of these signs that a whole hill side is being treated and that includes the natural areas when there are tiny spots as a rule in the natural areas case be treated around sensitive areas. this is what we have come up with for this year's restrictions on this. we have more work to do and also a lot of follow up and training. we have our annual trainings coming up with the city staff who apply pesticides. and that -- we will make it clear what the requirements are and do our best to make sure that they're implemented. we want to move towards zero.

we think it's absolutely essential and learned from the past to do it in a thoughtful way. that will protect the citizens in cases of public health and public safety that can't be addressed in other ways, and that will make the city, they will keep the departments able to do their jobs on these properties, some sometimes that does mean as a last resort using some of these products. i think that is, that's all i have for now. unless debbie, you wanted to add something. >> thank you, chris. >> yeah. >> questions, colleagues. i have one but i will go after commissioner wald. >> thank you.

i mean this is nasty stuff. nobody likes it. i mean maybe some people do, but it's clear to me that they're not at the department of the environment and i doubt very much that they are on this commission. i have to begin by saying it's really been informative. maybe i should say it's been educational as well as a privilege for me over the many years that i have been on this commission to see the really great work that the department has been doing on this stuff as chris says. when the list comes before us on an annual basis, i myself have seen some of these bad products go off the list. i have seen as those graphs

reveal that the amount of usage has gone down. i want my fellow commissioners to know that the list and with all the attachments including c came before the policy committee earlier this month. i think it was only last week, and we had an excellent discussion with lots of really thoughtful and constructive comments from members of the public. i see some of those same people here again tonight and i want to thank you all for coming back. coming to this venue to express your concerns and help us make the uses of this stuff, i don't even know what other word to use, as limited as possible. i do want to note for everybody's benefit that one of

the things that really touched me the most as a policy committee last week is a number of people stood up and commended the department for their work on this topic. commended them for their responsiveness, their openness, willingness. i think they were talking about chris actually to accept public comment and to make changes in their initial thoughts and proposals going forward. as someone who spent her entire professional career on the other side of tables like this, i know how infrequent this happens and i think we should all know it happens on this topic with this department. i have been thinking a lot about this topic since that meeting in part based on some of the public comments we got. i want to make one comment on

attachment c. i am hopeful that it will help because you say it will, chris. i believe that it will help, but i want to observe that i think at least one of these criteria for conditions of use and that would be specifically number 10, is too broad. i would feel better if this says, do you have it in front. you. cases judged by pest management professionals. there's no limit on those, sort of nature of the public safety thread of the public health risk or whatever. i do realize it's the last resort but seems to me it would be more consistent with what this policy is intended to do to

have some language like significant or important, or serious. in front of the word of the safety public health. i think you're missing the word risk in there somewhere. because i think without that, and i don't think want to put a any-anything on those coming to on the proposals. i don't think it communicates the gravity that you intend to deal with the matter with. i would like to suggest that you at least consider narrowing the scope of that particular criterion and will help again. this is really hard work. it's time consuming and labor

intensive for you and for the people who employ these materials and i think we're lucky and you and they are on a job and i hope we can continue to get to zero and that it's more of a real goal and not just an thank you. >> colleagues. >> >> i had a quick question. thank you chris for the presentation. i know in past we have also heard from our partners and the work that kevin does and there's a question for you chris. it might be a better question i think about it maybe for kevin. i know you're not here to answer questions, although you're motioning like it's okay. can i ask you a question?

i remember from when we have gone on a deep dive on pesticide, the question i want to ask is around labor, and i say that full disclosure. i'm a member of local 261, the men and women that do essentially all this work. one of the things i'm always looking out for is the health of the workers, and i know you've got a handle on that and everyone is putting workers first on this. now that we have more tier 1 pesticides, i'm wondering if on the items on this list, if there's a type of direct supervision of qualified application and licensed staff such as yourself. >> there is supervision, of course, on a broader scale and

training. it would not be possible for me to be on every site because i'm the one person that has my job description in the department. but i do make spot visits. i think it would be better for these tier one pesticides to probably be supervised by a licensed applicator to make sure things are going by the program. i think the case that did come up that the signs were posted this and that. the contractor wasn't as familiar as a city employee might be with the ordinance. i know there's checks put in place and with capital to improve all that. my opinion is, for these, particularly for tier one that

we have a licensed person on the site making sure that things are done in compliance with the label, and the reason why a licensed person is personality. everybody is trained to use them. licensees have to have continuing education, rules, regulations and laws that apply to these applications and are very familiar with the different materials. >> okay. i think that would be a great idea. is that part of the recommendations in front of us to try to get that expanded kind of set of licensing requirements? >> it's not on paper, but i think that it makes a lot of sense. it would require vetting with the other departments to see, you know, who the implications might be. one thing i forget to say is that part of the reason the language is as it is on this is we, after many, many go arounds,

we could not make it so specific that two people would look at it and always get the same result. we couldn't operationalize it. it requires professional judgment and having more superstition is one way to get towards professional judgment i think and better over sight. >> thank you. colleagues before we go to public comment. >> kevin woollen, director rec and park. all right. commissioner hoyos. >> thanks for asking that question, josh and kevin and chris for your answers to it. i wasn't at the policy committee meeting. i'm on the operations committee but wanted to attend the policy commission. >> any time. >> however i had the stomach flu and took the opportunity to be briefed by chris so i had sort of a long conversation with

chris and a colleague from the, not a colleague but someone i know from the pesticide action network. and we discussed what kevin suggested and what chris just underscored the importance of. i think it's a great idea and in terms of level of caution i feel comfortable with. i would like to see that in place. i understand it may not be possible tonight for this document. i'm very willing to work with debbie's staff, with chris, with other departments moving forward to ensure that safeguard is put in place. i wanted to say for those who didn't know i did this homework that i do think that's an excellent idea. i support that idea and in order for me personally to support attachment c, i would want to see it. if it's not possible this evening.

i look forward to supporting after work with kevin and colleagues and so on. >> thank you. commissioner omotalade. >> thank you for your excellent -- >> commissioner, if you could turn on your mic. >> thank you for your very thorough and excellent presentation. i very much enjoyed listening to it. i would like to echo the concerns that were addressed by my colleagues. i am glad to see the most recent copy of what was given to us to decide on does have us coming back for an update. i am a member of the policy committee and did get to hear the community's concerns. i think a lot of them are valid and things we talk about in good governance is there's transparency and the community understands where pesticides are being used and the minimalist way as possible.

>> thank you. commissioner. >> all right. any other comments? we have a number of speakers, and i promised was igor. the gentlemen in the blue jacket and green lining. you would be first. you're not igor though. i have a 1- 6 chance. patrick. >> some of them are women. very good deductions. if i could take mr. patrick skein. we interrupted your discussion and want to exercise the privilege of chair to bring you up first. >> good evening commissioners, i'm pat skein. my reason for coming tonight was

to provide my support for your efforts over the years with regards to this issue. i do believe we need to reduce exposure with regards to pesticide use. i sent secretary an article in cal plant issue. i think it's important to realize that i support hand waiting. there's only so many willing hands and the city only has so many paid hands. so i think it's important to have a program like this because i don't see it sunsetting or going away in its entirety. but we do fleed to control the exposure question. the comments in there had to do with the international agencies

for research on cancer studies and their new listing for round up or those use high levels of pesticides and not everyone was conclusive. i did reach the comments in the recall earlier, the concentrations in those tests were higher than what an herbicide applicator used. you would have to drink two tablespoons with what was in the lab. i think there's a disconnect in the lab studies and realities we

faced. i wanted you give you the article. as of a question, should we stop using round up? the answer leads us back to exposure. risk will be low. in the final analysis. if there's no good reason to stop using round up whether a carcinogen or not. many thing are listed as carcinogens. i want you to take this and consider as you work through the issues. i favor hand weeding but i can't see this type of product going away completely. i ask that you be reasonable in your future thank you. >> thank you. >> igor lasan. >> so close. good evening. commissioners, i'm not terribly sensitive. igor lasan.

i am the uc corporate advisor for the bay area counties, san francisco, alameda, contra costa. i am here it applaud the ipm. that's one of big achievements of the ipm program. you heard about the reduced number of situations where pesticides are used, which is another big achievement of the ipm program and increased over sight, but perhaps the biggest achievement is the integration of multiple agencies so that everybody who is in some way involved can come together and hammer out a plan. because in the end, that's what ipm is.

it is a decision-making process. you're trying to manage pests and go through a set of questions and decisions and only the at bottom of the list somewhere underneath this podium might be a decision whether to apply chemicals or not. san francisco has a model for that entire process. i know the word process makes people fall asleep. in this case, that's very important. it may not result in the decision that will make everybody in a room ecstatically happy every time, but probably does result in an overall best management and best environmental condition. and that's really all i have to say. i'm happy to answer any questions. i work on trees, and i'm here at least partially for selfish reasons. i think we might be having conversations like this in the

future. we have a couple ugly tests in the south of california and to the east of us. a big shout out, if i can say that. to the san francisco ipm process and happy to answer >> thank you very much. >> question? >> all right. victoria haman. >> thank you, igor. >> hi, my name is victoria hammond. i lived in san francisco since 1979. i became involved in this pesticides when my dog died from an aggressive oral cancer i suspected was caused by exposure to round up. he was constantly exposed to

glen park. i'm not stranger to these chemicals. i grew up in indiana farm country. i was a toxicology pharmaceutical. i came to san francisco for its natural beauty. by using the two top tier herbicides in our public areas, exposing children and pets to carcinogens we're relinquishing our leadership in conscious action. there are many european countries that ban these chemicals outright and a few american cities that ban these in park and public spaces including boulder, colorado and

incinitas, california. do these other cities care about the health of their citizens than san francisco? in 2014, san francisco parks and rec sprayed 174 times in parks and 74 times in natural areas. even within our city limits, other stewards of the land are seizing to use these. ucsf does not use them on mount sutro. they will not use it in candle stick state park. please stop poisoning our land. please ban tier one chemicals and make san francisco an environmental leader. thank you. [applause] >> next we have linda garcia milhone. >> thank you. it will be short because i said part of my say beforehand.

i'm still a resident of san francisco since 1972, i live on mariloma park. actually a five-minute walk from the park. i want to talk about round up, aka glycosphate and it can affect men, women, children pets and wildlife that live in our parks. i don't know how many of you have been to the park on mount davidson, there are so many different species of wildlife. we have birds coming into our yard, birds that go up on the mountain. raccoons and even will smell of skunks is really nice because then you know there's wildlife out there, and i'm very

concerned about this actually, the drainage, now that we're lucky enough to be getting rain, all this stuff is coming down into the neighborhood too. it's not only poisoning the park, people take their dogs for walks around the neighborhood. dogs will go and lick up anything. our children from miraloma school go hiking on that mountain quite a bit. i think they're exposed to these pesticides, herbicides and we don't know what the harm is going to be. i urge you to come and visit the park. see what a lovely place it is. try to keep that picture of those trees in your mind, and all the wildlife that we have and i hope will not be damaged more. stop the use of poisons in our

park. please. thank you. >> next we are ron proctor. >> can you switch to the display, please. >> switch to the video. there you go. >> good evening, commissioners, i'm speaking as a private citizen. i would like to call your attention to the video as we speak. i would like to call your attention to the video as i'm

speaking. i'm a private resident for 36 years. i would like to talk about the enforcement of those that apply the pesticides and the consequences for you not complying with the guidelines and laws. workers must follow the manufacturers guidelines by not spraying pesticides on fruiting plants. not mixing two pesticides and not spraying during nesting season or windy days. signage of areas must be in place, must be clearly visible and not just at the entrance of parks. i suggest the signs be much larger, possibly within red and within the park areas and not just on the perimeters. clear maps of where the spraying will take place. add a dye to the herbicide so people can see where the area has been sprayed.

there must be consequences if the guidelines are not followed by city departments. ipm does not follow its own rules. there's an on going use of the pesticides in great amounts. the first point of your environmental code is the precautionary principalefined if an action policy is suspects of causing harm to the public environment, the burden of proof that is not harmful falls on those doing the spraying. thank you. >> thank you. dee saligman. >> i think we're on three. >> good evening, commissioners, my name is dee saligman. i did send in comments over the weekend. those should be deemed of me personally and don't represent

the views of any organization. i would like to take about a moderate level invasive. it's the main reason the natural area using garland which is the highest level of herbicides. i believe it should be discontinued because it poses risk to humans, to animals and to insects. these risks were found by the marin municipal water district. susan kegly who does consult with our ipm stated, i'm sorry, the garland poses developmental and reproductive products to female worker who is apply it with risks 20 times higher for women of reproductive age than for men. i sat in on an ipm meeting and heard land managers talk about women of reproductive age should

not use garland. it causes birth defects in rats and works itself through human skin in one day. it's highly risky through accidental spills. back pack applications. for the general public, it posing high risk by president bushing up against vegetation. dogs kidneys are vulnerable to it. it probably alters soil by fungi who inhabit the soil. it's particularly dangerous to salmon and aquatic plants. it kills insects like butterflies found in the study of the meadow lark butterflies, a study by the u.s. fish and wildlife services. what are the benefits of

exallis? it's bulbs under ground are food. children love to eat it and used to fields where children play and roll around contrary to what we heard. people find it an attractive plant. the last thing i want to stay, budgets limitations are not in themselves adequate justifications for use. thank you very much. >> thank you. jill farrinbacker.

i am jill farrinbacker. i am a mom. environmental activist and a journalist writing about environmental issues. i was born and raised in san francisco. i first became interested in this issue. i recently within the last six months moved to the glen park neighborhood because i was very interested in being near the open space and i enrolled my children in an outdoor school where they spend the day hiking and playing in glen canyon. as soon as i moved into the neighborhood, i started going to the canyon and seeing these notices about pesticide spraying and i was very alarmed by it. the whole reason i moved to the neighborhood was to get access to outside space. i am very concerned. a the instances i have seen of

the pesticide use, and this is antedotal. there's a perfectly valid reason to use pesticides when you talk about mosquitoes, poison oak and rats and other general public items. the other things i have seen when i see a pesticide notice or ron's video of spraying on mount davidson just two months ago. those have been targeting weeds that have no public safety issue whatsoever like oxfalis. it looks like clover. it's called shamrock and children love to eat it. it has beautiful yellow flowers and all over san francisco. every single part of san francisco. it's all over by backyard and

streets. it's a very resilient plant. it does not pose a public health issue. spraying garland does pose a public health risk. i highly encourage the commission on the environment and the ipm program to think carefully about the priorities of pesticide use. i think there's a time and place for them, but they are clearly being used in a way out of control at the moment just to deal with what some people dub as weeds. thank you very much. >> thank you, eric brooks. >> good evening again commissioners. eric brooks and the sustainability chair for the san francisco green party. coordinator of our city san francisco. back in the late 90's worked with cal perk and pesticide

watch what we came including me, came to city hall and got this policy passed. and i have to say that i'm concerned by some of the things i have heard and read. when we got this policy passed, it was based on the precautionary principle. not whether or not certain thing have to be used for certain uses. it's a precautioner principle that should lead. i think your staff has done an okay job presenting this policy and reducing pesticide use. this policy was never meant to allow exceptions for weeds and "invasive plants species" to be doused with herbicides. you saw the video evidence, they're not just putting it in little places. there's broad cast application going on in san francisco. that was not a factual statement you heard about this. most of this is coming from rec and park.

most is around the natural areas program, which is not just some little spots where they're trying to protect some existing species. the vision of the people that promote these natural areas and implementing it is to radically remove nonnatural habitants. with global warming happening, we cannot restore what used to be there because the microclimates are different and this releases huge amounts of carbon dioxide. it's not even a good policy. even if it were a good policy, if you're going to get rid of plants to replace them with other plants, there's no public, it has nothing to do with public health and safety.

this is a policy judgment and pesticides and herbicides should not be used for that process at all. that means if you're policy that you're getting ready to decide on allows the natural areas program to use herbicides of any kind, it's unacceptable. it also definitely means that class 1 herbicides like darlon and glyphosate should not be used in san francisco. the information coming out is unreal. we cannot use this stuff anymore on plants that we're just trying to get rid of for aesthetic reasons. if this document doesn't solve that problem, you need to wait until you do solve it. natural areas program should not be able to use herbicides that should be using laborers instead. thank you.

>> i like that last bit there. other members of the public? yes. >> anastasia. this comment is my own and i just want to just say thank you eric brooks for saying it. it's not just one, it's all type one and two herbicides no need, no justification for using them. oxfalis not a health hazard. and about this amount which are used. right now there is a brand-new, science is the same. nothing has changed in 15 year. i was watching this things happening. just now is a new sign on mount

davidson, it will be oxfalis. it's on all lower part of mount davidson. the same on video. they are going to be spraying. now about the amounts which are used. like they are saying it's a small amount and it's much more. you need to read more. monsanto is going to be sued in presumably for crimes against humanity. it took only 40 years to overcome this saying it's not carcinogenic. in next five, 10 years, and then it will be [inaudible] all this stuff, i see advertisement for mount davidson all the time. please don't approve this list and take all these things used

by park. it's completely unjustifiable. about the use which are wrong. because san francisco forest alliance gets sunshine result and according to them, the use of herbicides in natural areas are grown by 300% from 2008-2013. they went a little bit down in '14 and '13. it's like the individual application all summarized. it goes both up. in natural area. i live next to natural area. they use four time more of those herbicides than all other rec and park combined with exception, all the golf courses are included. in september 2015, american academic of pediatrics say exposure to herbicides lead to

cancer in children. and the department of environment thinks one extra child with cancer is justification for the use -- that's what you do every >> thank you. >> yes. good evening. hello my name is jake fig. i am speaking for the california native plant society. we have been working with the city's natural areas program since its beginning and we were working to do the same job for

15 years before the program formed. we have had a lot of experience. close to 40 years. the biggest job of this program is removing invasive plants that destroy habitat for wildlife. there are very few technologies for doing this, and the preferred one is to pull the invasive plants. but some plants are not amenable to this treatment and the principal one is oxalis. the reason for that is it has a bulb that won't give up, and is it spreads rapidly through all of our hills. it is the number one weed for the national areas program as well as on san bruno mountain. the previous speaker was incorrect about that.

couldn't have been worse. i have pictures here which i'm sorry, it's really hard to see. the two top pictures are two different places on san bruno mountain. you can't see the oxalis yellow. it's a lot on the left and the right is a little clearer. but they're pretty dramatic when you see the actual photo. this was before the spring. before the spring. this was afterwards. two months afterwards, these two, two months after the top pictures, that was done with round up and there is no other way to deal with this plant. the san bruno mountain are under the gun because they have three federally listed butterflies and this is exactly their habitat and the oxalis was ruinning the

habitat. they had no choice but to do this. the, as i say, there are very new technologies for dealing with this. mostly manual, fire and herbicides. i have travelled to washington to lobby the department of agriculture to introduce biocontrol research on this plant, and i have not been successful so far. there hasn't been enough political demand. there will be in time because it's gaining more attention as it spreads. the glen canyon, christopher play ground. the slope there is turning into a monoculture. that's pretty bad because the

plant is acting only in the rainy season, and it's very aggressive and it can completely push out all grasses and other plants. i think it's a warfare and it's very aggressive and pushing everything out. what is bad about that. when the rain has quit, the plant dies down to the bulb and then there is no plant, there are no plants whatsoever left. that is what is happening. then you have erosion issues, you have loss of habitat. it's just really, really bad. people love our wild flowers and we're going to lose them in san francisco if we are not able to use herbicides.

thank you. >> thank you. any other members of the public that wish to speak on this item? evening. >> my name is ray jones. i am not a scientist. just a private citizen living. however i love throughout the city. i live in all of the parks and recreational centers and have for 40 years. i did done a lot of work in the city with political community, i ran economic development companies. i have no retired. i spend more time in the public and in the parks. you are the deciders. you guys know what's going on. it is time to bring that to zero as rapidly as possible. we don't want our children to have to sit here and do the same

things we're doing right now. we have to decide right now that we're going to bring it into the use of the poisonous carcinogens, we're have been fighting monsanto almost all of my life. we don't want our children and grandchildren to have to continue to do this battle. i simply say to you without needing to take two minutes. just say no. just stop it. we don't need to do that. we can put people to work to remove the things that the poison is doing and put people to work at the same time. so we can trade you know poison to medicine. thank you. >> thank you. any other member was of the public on this item in seeing none, public comment is closed.

colleagues discussion. director raphael? >> so i first want to echo what commissioner wald said to thank people for showing up so the world is run by those who show up. it means a lot to have you show up. there's been a lot of factual statements. suppositions and theory is before you. the last speaker said it. you are the deciders and puts you in a really tough place. so, what helps me in decisions like this is to go back to some founding underlying principals to help make difficult decisions. there is as commissioner wald said not a person on this, in this department or on this dias

who wants to champion monsanto. who wants to say that we don't have serious doubt about the use and safety, the use of pesticides and that we don't want to get to zero as soon as we can. there's no one of us. the precautioner principle was mentioned several times. as one of architects of that, i want to tell you how i look at the precaution. not how i, but how it's stated in the law. what the precautionary law, chapter one of the environment code says is that public officials have an obligation to take action in the face of incomplete information. so when there's sufficient evidence of harm, we don't wait for proof of cause and affect to take action. but and the way we make decision

on action is by asking a really important question, and that question is, is it necessary? is it necessary for us in this case the question is to use these tier 1 hericides? all right. well, sounds like a simple question. at the end of the day, there's deeply, there are deep values in that question. sometimes if necessary because you don't have the money to do anything else. sometimes it's necessary because there's no safer alternative. sometimes it's necessary because you have another value that is an and not an or. when you hear people talking about this necessary and they talk about oxalis very articulately. is it necessary to remove it? if it is necessary to remove

oxalis? then we have to use garland. is it necessary to remove stumps we have to use round up. how do you know in it's necessary to remove on oxalis or stumps? that's a question that has lots of different answers to it and depends on who you ask. if you ask jake sig or others who believe in plant habitat, they will tell you it's necessary to remove those. they're not arguing it's a public health hazard, they're saying there's a value in biodiversity. if you ask some other people, is it necessary to remove oxalis, they will say no. i think the issue before you today is to ask the question are there enough safeguards in here

given there are differing opinions on whether it's necessary. given it may not be the place of this commission to decide the natural area's program is necessary. if the natural area program is part of the city and has been in existence for many, many years and has wonderful people who work there, you need to decide is there, are there enough safeguards in this, do we ask the question intentionally enough, is it necessary when you look at attachment c, that is how people are deciding is it necessary. and in attachment c, on number 10, commissioner wald said, you know, that's not strong enough for is it necessary. i think the word significant needs to be there because that gives me confidence that is it necessary is being experienced with integrity. if you look at number 12, number

12 says, that invasive species that pose a threat to local, native, rare or endangered species, is that list with these restrictions knows we need to get to zero. i don't know if that clarifies it for you, but that's the framework that the way i look at it. >> thank you. comments? colleagues? commissioner wald. >> >> well, i think we all watched one of speakers show. i wonder if there's explanation in terms of spraying the pesticide on the site.

is there clarifications that chris can provide? so i have a better understanding about the implementation. >> thank you. when that video was published, i contacted the contractor involved and also rec park, and my main concern with there was maybe possibly still berries on there and the procedures were being followed correctly. this is himlayan black berry. this is a back pack spray of a clump of the plants. they prefer to dob stems which is less exposure. if there's a hundred stems, you can't do that. there's cases where they do the spot spray. i was told that is done on an

annual basis, the blackberry will take over the place. it's quite invasive. they always do it when the blackberries are not on the plant. in this case, the policy has been to do it after the berry season. so, they had a, what i thought was a reasonable response to that. again this is, the larger context. i have not seen this site and do not know the details of what is preserved on that site. that's what i found out from that inquiry. >> and shelter build is a contractor rec park has used for many years. i think they have more experience than any other contractor dealing with vegetation management. they use a lot of mechanical

methods. i wish i had the number on volunteer hours. >> thank you. commissioner stephenson. >> this might also be for you, chris, what kind of oversight is out there looking after the contractors and applications? obviously obtained a video. what is the standard in the city for how we make sure the protocols are followed? >> i might have to share this with kevin or nikki. number one, we know we need to do better on the contractor oversight as we learned from the glen park example. we will be addressing that with the new policy on that and the trainings. there is always a recommendation from the licensed pest control advisor required for treatment on city properties in the city. the person who holds that

license has liability for one thing, which is important to realize. they have a responsibility to do and kind of supervision but doesn't have to be on site. in the federal world of regulation, the direct supervision is usually only required for restricted use of pesticides. the really bad stuff in agriculture that require advance permits from the agriculture commissioner. we take it more seriously here. that's why we require the pca recommendation and why i guess we will be considering the direct supervision requirement. anything you want to add to that, kevin? >> my name is kevin woollen. i know the case of a contractor

more experienced than the one in glen canyon. however i still think it would be good to use tier one going forward just to reiterate to have a licensed person, city staff person who is very familiar with all of the department of environment or the pesticide ipm ordinance and laws and regulations and city policy to make sure they are following all of the protocols. as the licensee for the department, i hold three different licenses, a structural pca and also applicator. i hold a level of liability because they're personal licenses i hold that the city uses for these applications.

that's really something to strongly consider. i know it will take time to work toward that. that would be be my input. >> thank you. >> just a follow-up question. >> commissioner wald with a follow-up question. >> first i thought you said of who you are, we need to have a licensed person on site tomorrow. i gather it's not going to happen tomorrow. how long approximately but realistically do you think it would take to add that safeguard to the list of safeguards we have here, a safeguard when you agree with and how many herbicide will be sprayed in between now and that time?

>> i have quite a bit to say about some of that because i write the recommendations of that. i would think because it's not just going to affect my department that it's a city wide thing, all departments, that some i guess research or looking into the availability of these licenses in each department and that type of thing needs to be looked into. i have a hard time answering the length of time to implement that without knowing more facts about how many licenses we have even in rec park to carry it out. or make it policy right away. yeah. that would be my answer. >> i agree. it's just really limited by our ability to schedule the meetings and make the assessments. >> can i ask one more question. what about with all due respect, since rec and park is the one that's doing this mostly, what about rec and park looking over

the idea and adopting it because, rather than trying to get everybody to adopt it all at once, might it be possible to have a phased-in adoption. >> in the short term, i can include in the pca recommendation and i can make that decision site by site. you know because i write the recommendations by site. definitely in this instance, a licensee needs to be there. we will have to find one or myself to be there during the application. so that can be a start. again, we're limited by resources. that resource being licensees. we have to find out where we have them and there are union rules about that. there's a gardner that has a license. there's not necessarily the same classification i am. there's things we will have to

look into prior to implementing. that would be my instinct in this moment. does that answer the question? >> no. not yet. not yet sorry. three months? >> oh, a time frame. yeah you know, it would be hard for me to give a time frame in this moment. yeah. reluctant to do that right now as far as like when we could have licensees in place. i don't make those policy decisions. there's labor decisions involved. it's a little more complicated. >> three months for doing the vetting with the departments might be a reasonable time frame. if there is, it kind of depends on what we find. if there is a real shortage in some department of certified

applicators. there's a fair amount of study involved. i think maybe it might make sense to do the vetting first and come back for the next you know before we try to set the timing for the whole process, it might be best to do the vetting first and find out what's out there. that would be my suggestion and can be done in a few months. >> i'm sorry, ladies -- >> no. no. i'm right with you. >> so what's our flexibility here? i mean. do we have to approve this list for the entire year? or can i say i will say because i realize at least for me this isn't an idea that we had previously discussed, i mean -- it's a new idea. takes time.

can i say i approve this for no longer than six months with an interim report back as to what's happening or do i have to do it forever? i mean for the rest of year? >> commissioner rodriguez for record. what i may recommend to the commission is you recall at the policy committee, there was a lot of discussion about interest on the part of the committee to see how these new policies were being implemented. one of the recommendations that commissioner omotalade recommended that is before you in the current resolution is that requesting staff to come back in six months to policy committee and report on how the implementation of the new policies are being implemented, the training, all of these items get back with some more details. certainly that is an opportunity

to come back to policy committee if it's the interest of this commission to report back to this additional recommendation. i think it would allow both our staff and the ability for other impacted agencies to work together to assess you know what the potential implementation is. i address questions as yours. i think the invitation of commissioner hoyos to be engaged is of interest. i think that you have a resolution before you that gives you that opportunity for staff to come back to you with much more information than we have today. it's essentially an interesting idea. i think it's great that rec and park has an interest and a champion. i think we have to go back to all city departments and engage that conversation. it could be an implementation

for some departments ahead of the time and others not. >> commissioner omotalade. >> thank you. i was like, i got cut off. i must say i do have some reservations about this. given the fact of the new suggestions that were put there, and to quote a comment that was made by a director when she was speaking earlier, good governance is based on who shows up. what i see is people showed up today with serious concerns about some of the pesticides that are being used. what i also hear is rec and park to their credit recognizing those concerns and saying supervision needs to happen. we don't know who has these licenses.

who can do the oversight. i'm not necessarily comfortable given the fact so many people have both sent e-mails and letters and both shown up here today expressing some of the concerns and the fact that we've seen examples where policy and procedure has not been followed. if i'm comfortable with the resolution as it is today. >> thank you. commissioner. commissioner hoyos. >> i agree. >> mic on. >> got it. so i think commissioner, those points were very well taken, and i also have i guess a follow up question along the lines of what commissioner wald was asking, which was it's one thing in terms of what guillermo was saying. i know there's a great deal of work done and you're thoughtful

to get to zero. i know about that you. what is the relationship between this being tighter if you will and, what all the other departments do from a process perspective. it's one thing for rec and park to say sure i'm recommend it. as a new commissioner, i don't understand how we get from a to z with the recommendation. my sense is what is passed here reforms protocols, official urgency. how long does it take to get a license? it's one question if it's inspirational and one question it's the rule. that's how i approach this. i will state, eric, i have seen you over the years at different environmental things and respect you. so i'm going to put the procedural things in the parking lot. then i have for future hope i

will hear this from staff. i have questions as a climate person about the questions you raised because i know that's our purview. i have a friend in the presidio and herself concerned about that aspect of removing all these eucalyptus trees. i have serious questions but i think i do want to go do a deeper dive on the procedural stuff versus waiting one more period next meeting or et cetera to make this reflect more of what other commissioners and myself feel. >> thank you. commissioner and before we turn to commissioner stephenson, i want to say that i too am a climate person. just like commissioner hoyos. a lot of us look at the community perspective and

climate change just in the time i have been on the commission, and we have been talking at one point think of all of us we were talking about preventing, we were talking about stopping the planet from getting 350 parts per million with respect to carbon. now it's mitigation and adaptation at this point. we're just talking about it's happening and how we live with it. seeing that shift, i have always been taken by the notion of cutting down this many eucalyptus trees and pound for pound the best carbon sinks. i know people talk about being invasive. it's here and has all this carbon. you're not only removing as a carbon sync and release the carbon stored. i'm fully on bored. we had biodiversity experts on this commission. i still think the game has

changed. if we're talking about invasive species that will subject the public to these risks and it is actually counter to a climate change strategy, that's where i have been in these hearings and scratching my head. i have gotten up there and spoken as an individual and in the capacity of wanting to do a deep dive as a commission around this. tonight is not the night. at the same time, i love a few things about what's happening. i love the fact the conversation is happening. i love the fact that labor and management are in conversations and rec and park is working on this. working on getting more kevin woollen is out there and folks are working to mitigate or reduce the applications. we have success in non-chemical treatments. we had success in doing this in a non-chemical fashion. i than from workers and the

reports we get, and i think there's some other ideas on the table tonight that if we implement them, increases around supervision, the licensing requirements and make it a mandatory requirement that everyone does this. it's good for workers, families and climate. i am in listen to a situation where i want to see those things in place. i want to see them happening now am i like the start of the conversation, but i want to reach to a conclusion before i would support something like this. so that's just kind of where i'm at and just personally, i wanted to put that out there. climate change is here. some of these applications are happening with respect to the strategy that isn't part of a climate change strategy, it brings me back into, how we all come together as a people to do

this. that was a long soliloquy. chris you have a comment. >> i wanted to give more a specific response to commissioner hoyos about what is restricted here. what kevin described with putting a restricting into his permit is a legal requirement under state law that enforceable by the agricultural commissioner. what we have on the reduced pesticide list is a legal requirement, which is not enforced by the agricultural commissioner but what is in place is the 2015 list. my understanding and tom, please correct me if i am wrong, in the new list is not passed today, that the old list still remains there.

in affect until the new list is passed. i'm not, you know, this is just my understanding. i would love to be corrected if i'm wrong. am i right? okay. so, that's my understanding of it. there is -- i can tell you we will definitely work, we will work very hard on this direct supervision requirement. it's a great avenue to explore. it's a matter of having all of the information on the table before the determination is made, and we will look for every possible way to reduce pesticides and herbicides on city properties in the future. so, i don't know if that's any, if that helps at all. there are a lot of, there is a fair amount of misinformation in the testimony. i don't think i really want to go into that right now. it's probably not the time.

but i mean, it's important to note that whole hill sides are not being sprayed for oxalis. the natural area programs is generating small areas adjacent to to endangered grass lands. probably said enough. >> commissioner stephenson. >> some of what i was going to ask so thank you. i apologize i missed a piece of presentation. if any of this has been covered, please let me know. i am compelled by commissioner's wald's point around can we approve for three months. because if the understanding is that last year's rules go before the notice about the carcinogens

came out before this -- sorry -- >> before the revised language here, then i prefer to do something that moves us in the right direction so that tomorrow is different than last week. at the same time, i'm also compelled about what you said commissioner hoyos about the fact that we kind of need to have teeth and just having a report come back to us is very different than saying we're going to recommit and see something and make a choice. i'm done. >> thank you. commissioner hoyos is next unless you want to differ to commissioner wald. >> i just have a clarification, can i ask chris a clarification on the question of -- just so i understand. round up is moved to tier one. if we did not take action, it

not become tier one? >> no. that's hard wired to determination. >> can you say more about the implications of it not being approved tonight in terms of what would remain? >> could you put some meat on the bones. >> last year's list would remain in affect. that's my understanding at least and that means you would not have the additional restrictions on tier 1 herbicide use listed in the attachment. >> you wouldn't have c. >> okay. >> commissioner wald. >> so i think it's a step forward. it's not perfect. i have been hitting my head very hard trying to think of some language that i could suggest that we -- where did tom go?

he might have gone to check. >> it would make a difference to me when you all come back to the policy committee, we could change the language of the document. i don't understand why we wouldn't be able to because i don't practice anymore, but the last time i looked at the legislation, it didn't say anything about attachment c. >> so we're considering that as part of the list. that attachment is, in our world, the way we're looking at that. that's part of the list. >> oh, so the list is what it's attached to. >> it includes, yes. it includes the attachment. so we have done this in past with rodenticide, it's an attachment. for convenience-sake, we refer to that in the limitations of

pesticide products. the suggestion you made for changing for example on the restrictio restrictions, i don't think there would be a problem with the stakeholders with that. i would imagine you could put that in the resolution and it's no problem. the other, the direct supervision requirement does take homework. so you might, not be a lawyer, it might be something you could put in the resolution now. >> just for clarification, the something is with respect to? >> attachment c? >> no. yes. for the improvements and amendments. >> my thing is that it's been said a few times showing up is key. and a lot of the community members that came out have got a number of our attention tonight, and at the policy committee. this is one of those we're

looking at something we're being told it's up or down. if it's up or down. there's a lot of nos. the only thing that mitigates that i feel like is that there's a good dialogue and there's talk about stuff like i said, you know, labor saying that we are liking where this is going. it's going to mean more non-chemical methods and safety. we have management saying we've got, we're going to do this vetting and look at the licensing requirements. the whole goal this is a list, a lot of us hopes it becomes a ban. it's something not used in any situation where it's not humanly possible. i know we have an answer to the idea of a ban. the idea is it wouldn't be happening. if we're doing anything and everything to reduce it from happening, i feel like we want

to encourage that. the answer isn't to approve and come back next year. i don't even know it's six months. if there's the ability to take everything we heard tonight, have the conversations, get other departments to follow the lead with rec and park. to continue the dialogue would be something and give folks the chance to show up as soon as possible to weigh in. the not to prove something that goes a lot further. because once you prove something, you say we'll come back long time from now. sometimes the dialogue doesn't happen. all of us should have our feet to the fire. we should have accountability to people. we are respectful of staff and the work you're doing. this is the first time we've ever have a conversation where we have heard the comments and seen the person in the room come to every commission meeting. it's all starting to sink in.

maybe at the right time because the process is happening in our shop. rec and park, labor union. full disclosure, i'm a member of the labor union. the fact it's coming together. director raphael. >> i have a proposal. because there's a lot good in here. there's a brand-new requirement about contractors. i would hate for that not to pass. there is a new posting oh, my god we need that desperately and need you to require it. the attorney tom owens has informed me is that reviewing this list annually is a minimum. it's at a minimum. so what i am going on suggest you do because of urgency is that you change, and i don't know where we do in the language. you adopt it until the next commission meeting. between new and the next

commission meeting, we have a policy committee meeting, which we will be able to invite people to get at is it necessary? there's a lot of voices who aren't in the room who have differing views is it necessary? you bring up the climate issues, we have not discussed that in policy. that is where that discussion happens. that means starting now. there are new requirements on contractors and new requirements on postings that go in affect. there are greater restrictions on use than there would have been if you hadn't passed it and the urgency president arce, that you called upon to have the conversation at the very next policy committee meeting and come back to this commission for the next. so that is my recommendation in terms of urgency. >> point of clarification. is that with attachment c and the amendment to 10 that

commissioner wald had suggested? >> yeah. i think that's very, yes. >> yes what? >> attachment c and the posting. that's why the word list is a little bit misleading. because the list is what, how and when. it's what chemicals can be used, how they are used. when they can be used and how you use them. this whole packet is the list. attachme c we can edit to say we want the word significant in there, and we can say and i don't know, i haven't looked at it yet, where we say you are approving for two months until the next commission meeting. that would be line 4 of page three where you say i hereby -- no. tom has another clarification.

>> you don't need to modify that aspect of the resolution. the lists. as soon as you adopt the superceding resolution, that's it. >> then it's on us. there's a notion having these elements of attachment c in place until the next conversation, we cover the having the rules in place is something that happens by operation of the resolution. but there's a language that i think director raphael was talking about at the top of page three around the commitment of when we return for essentially to know if the progress has happened. because right now it talks about july. and we're talking about moving

it up to figure. february policy committee meeting in march. >> that would be fine. >> this is one of situations where i think you know there's folks that are here tonight that are, would probably to the extent they're even comfortable that we're not making a final decision here, would want to know there's accountability and written commitments we will be back here. that's just my thought. but commissioner hoyos. >> i just have a process question. one thing that is possibly concerning, especially if i were one of people who is, there's two questions. one is mechanical. it seems like that's doable. there's deeper questions josh

what you were talking about regarding carbon et cetera. and i guess my question is, if we take the action that's being recommended that we adopt this. at least in my experience, we adopt and then would we go back and change it. the things you mentioned answer posting? >> the requirements of contractors, the policy of contractors. >> right. so isn't there a reason or is there a reason we couldn't adopt those urgency pieces tonight and put the rest off for the next meeting? >> so, my sense is we could. i don't know how you do that with the resolution here. the bigger issues you're

referring to on attachment c, that issue about open invasive species, number 12. really the issue that i'm hearing that most people have. >> yeah. i would actually add number 6 because i remember from policy committee there was a parent who came in and talked about children and how they play. and the fact that there are no areas where children are necessarily restricted to. i remember when i was a kid and i played, it wasn't just on the play ground. what does it mean an area frequented by children. whoever made that comment in policy, thank you for that. >> so this is an idea about if we were to pick certain of the ones that director raphael and staff indicated urgent items. >> that's a hard thing to do to

pick through these individually right now because there are things that were taken off the list. there are chemicals no longer allowed to be used. changes to the way things are used. so i would have a hard time saying, and the fact of the matter is, if you don't adopt it, it's my understanding that the old rules apply so, i think it would be best, my recommendation is let's do it in a short, the entire things because it's difficult in this moment in time to pick it apart. come back in a month. maybe policy committee. >> two weeks. >> it's february 9th. we may not have all the answers february 9th because that is very soon. you know but certainly we will do the best we can by february 9th. staff can only do what we can do

on that time frame. it's pretty tight. >> commissioner wald. >> so, the basic problem with it is that it is the language of the resolution suggests that we are approving it for the entire year. so my proposal would be, and i'm not sure that i have all of the categories but if you look for cases page 2, line 19, that we would say, approves it the attached rrtl 2016, tentatively maybe isn't the right term. until we next examine it.

i don't want anybody out there, tom, seeing this and saying, oh, no. you have approved it for the year. it's too late. for people to revise it. we have all, you have told us we can revise it. we have all agreed it needs revision. we have all agreed we're not even going to vote yes without a strong commitment to revision. i would like the commitment to revision in this document so that no one, no other department, for example, no pesticide manufacturer, can come here next time and stand up and tell me i can't do it. >> mr. rodriguez. for the record to offer language in amending the resolution,

following commission wald's recommendation, page 2 line 18 and 19 could be amended to say, further resolve that the commission on the environment approves the attached rrpl 2016 until april, i'm trying to remember anthony, the next meeting of the commission. >> march. >> march 22nd. >> until march 22nd, 2016. >> deputy city attorney, tom allen. >> what happens if for any reason the commission doesn't adopt? doesn't do something by the next meeting? >> well, it sounds like it would be the same as if we voted no tonight as if it doesn't exist. >> so as long as -- to the previous. >> but it's only until that such

time. >> or we would, if it turns out we can't get sufficient information together, that we all agree we need, we could bump one thing forward and another -- and we could decide another thing. i just want the assurance that we have the authority and jurisdiction to change this going forward to meet -- to respond to issues that have been raised and shared not just by people in the audience who have now come some of them four years to talk about the problem. and i need to say because jake is looking very worried. i am a strong supporter of the natural areas program. but you know, people have come before us and i sense in at least one other department and

the department of most concern to the members of public have come here is willing to work with us to respond to that, those very issues, i think we ought to do it. >> commissioner omotalade. >> i would just echo everything commissioner wald said. we as commissioners and the whole department have to be responsive to the citizens of san francisco. one thing i'm grateful of you have come and continue to come and send e-mails and give your feedback. until we get it right, we keep going back to the drawing board. >> i completely agree with commissioner omotalade and said by a lot of folks. i think we're also in the broader conversation about natural areas and about when there might be instances where

pursuit of our biodiversity agenda might require applications of certain pesticides and create health hazards where we have alternatives to use non-chemical methods or not address it simply because it's a species that wasn't here 200 years ago but 400 years ago but it's here now. i fully respect the biodiversity agenda and the full program. it's great work and peter and everything. i always wondered about the definition of native species. it's native at a certain period of time. with respect to climate change, maybe we can look at the amendment that guillermo brought

up. we approve rrpl 2016 until it is revisited and reconsidered at the march 26, 2016 commission >> >> 22nd. >> until march. >> until? >> it's time. >> so it would need to be renewed. in order to continue to endure, that clause would have to be removed which is on the basis from our great team, our great partners at rec and park and the labors and labor side of these issues, hopefully other departments that will follow and look for leadership at rec and park working with us and ultimately hearing from the community. we're hoping with the work at policy commit. wait a second. i will be at the other side of podium at that point. what are you guys doing the next few weeks? >> then it's up to us to

potentially remove this condition based on what we see with respect to attachment c or changes that come to us, the progress and talks happening between labor and management and the great ideas we heard from kevin and the vetting that will happen. then we can decide at that time whether or not to remove that clause or not. if we don't, then we would be in the scenario. if there was a vote tonight, it probably wouldn't go forward because of all these different questions. um, all right. so if that's the case, perhaps someone might offer it as a motion -- >> i have a question. >> just another clarification question. so, i got a little less receiving back the length of time. i thought originally the proposal was it would be adopted until the next full commission meeting but we would retain the possibility to push it back. is that the language?

otherwise if there's not, well that's my question. then i have's question for the director which is the following. i know the staff is working hard day to day and there's a tall heard here for a commission meeting, policy committee meeting in a week and a half and a commission meeting in it two months. so my question is, if you director raphael, are going to answer the questions with the licenses, that's one set of questions. the other has to do with the toxicity concerns we heard tonight and whether it's the proper use. whether like from a climate perspective we need to be using these tier 1 chemicals to eradicate eucalyptus. is it real to think two months from now we could get the

information that's required if it's not real, we could always put it off until the following one. if we put it off for a year and for all intents and purposes we pass it tonight. i like the march language and ask in fairness to you. how much work will it take? >> i very much appreciate that, commissioner. there are two policy meeting between now and the next meetings. there will be another opportunity. i think that answering these questions and i keep coming back to the language. is it necessary? is it necessary to use a pesticide because we value biodiversity or because we don't because we have these other values where eucalyptus tree has climate impact.

>> will you feel comfortable with what you hear common sense what i was going to say with respect to when the applications occur due to bio diversity or

natural area plans i feel like hesitate a think enter departmental sores with rec and park i know with the urban forestry chronicle eir council there was a four hour meeting the year before there was a bigger set of decisions we can play that roll in but ultimately i feel happens symsomewhat separate and apart from how did the pesticides with use like the will you please that is on the table we'll leave them alone and let them since in carbon that policy within make its way into the way we apply those pesticides we'll be applying them less the more will you please they'll sing the carbon more of a balance from what the evasive and some of the

considerations i feel your list gets applied with our partners at different department and the workers he you don't i don't think if we write that language those national area plans will super keyed our element for the to say with he can't put guiding promises a great opportunity you know because we've talked about that having the national areas conversation and the mifgs /* mifgsz moifgs and certainly ways we address climatic change commissioner wald basically i want to thank you for that comment josh because i think that it is absolutely

correct i think that we should sort of strait if i thotify tho weird may not be the right word but the unique things of the department of environment a great many mandates by the city and county of san francisco and very little of the authority to actually indicator those mandate our work depends on almost entirely working with the city family to achieve the dowels from the board of supervisors has set this is a perfect example of how that comes together what we have i think we have more i

think for lack of a better word leadership on what i call the operational issues is that the word you you were using commissioner bermego. >> i think the implementation. >> right we can get a handle on those in a shorter period than maybe get a handle on the other value issues and that we should start with those and then progress to the next set of issues would be my feeling here thank you. >> and let me say i'm not adverse and actually as a member of the public has as seven i think i'll probably of time to go to the commission meeting to the policy committee meeting

commissioner wald meeting i think that is awhile we had a conversation of the eucalyptus program all actually. >> was it actually, you misses a meeting and there it goes but make an opportunity to get to the bottom of that i think we're getting to that point address maybe a place for us in that you know to internet ourselves both that program we will work with the staff and had a good conversations he be respectful of the working and thinking i think from is as species that may have come latter in the spectrum but here and helping us to doing everything we can to fight climatic change we have a we have to really, really think this introduce so what we unless fallout conversation perhaps we can get a motion to amend our

resolution at page 2 line 190 add did words until the march 22, 2016 commission meeting after the phrase r rp and semicolon commissioner woo ho and second from commissioner omotalade and mr. rodriguez. >> as long as that motion covers the additional amendment it appendix c that commissioner wald originally commented as well agency part ever passage. >> significantly i think. >> yes. significant would be my preference but i thought it was serious. >>

and significant about inserting the word reflex after fire hazards it is missing a word. >> that goes on allowed use tenth. >> contrary - fire hazard risk >> okay. so do it by the book can we perhaps can the maker of the motion withdraw and seconded so can question get a motion to i've yes director raphael. >> i have a question for the commissioners to consider look at page 3 sort of page 2 and 3 the last errors resolve to provide the prelims updated to

the commission through the commissions policy committee at it regularly scheduled july 11th to you want to keep that an implementation are change that to february what do you want to do. >> i was thinking of keeping it as an implementation but easier to say that an update on something at its february 7th and march whatever right whatever march. >> it is not february 7th. >> 9. >> 9 i'll move. >> the next two are february 9th and march 22. >> commissioner wan appointment you'll want to wait until our march meeting rather than doing it twice.

>> that's true. >> why not say march what was the date? >> the next policy meeting is march 14 a the viral meeting to march 2. >> with that will okay. >> can we leave it as implementation update. >> it gets to the crux of it the prelims what is approved along with the elements we're talking about but obviously the conversations are happening and with more time we're hopeful so can we get a motion to amend the resolution at line 19 to add the words until the march 225, 2016 commission meekly on like this 19 between the semicolon and page 3 line to to replace july

with. >> mr. president, the typo. >> oh, yes, thank you. >> as well as to make a third change at. >> line 16. >> line 16 on page one to write kerosine car share allergic rather than car share gunmen and fourth onramp creatinine to add the words significance between a and public safety and to add risk after the first instance of fire hazard. >> i move. >> motion by commissioner wan and seconded by commissioner omotalade >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? all right. >> welcome to the investment

commission. >> (laughter). >> great work everybody all right. next item is review and approval the department of the environment fiscal year 2016-2017 and 2017-2018 budget is the sponsor a director raphael and speaker so far the program and finance administrations for discussion and action. >> director raphael. >> thank you we have a change in speaker mark will be speaking but let me mark brown before mark comes before you oh, my gosh it is hard i have to change gears talked to the change sorry about that so the total budget for the department of the environment is about $22 million and there was

a very extensive discussion about the budget the department budget and last operations committee leave detail and a wonderfully robust conversation and tonight is different so tonight is taking that detail looking much higher level and forecasting where our strengthens and weakens and our streams for moving forward so what you'll see together 19 tonight is roughly a balanced budget this budget is not final one more month to working on that brother we turn it into the mayor's office and in that time we'll be working around the ends but we will particularly be paying attention to one program area that has right now a deficit and that is our environmental justice program it is running about one and $67,000 dollars

short for the 2016-2017 and what is also different about the budgeted a 2 year budget so the things we know this year we don't there are some things we can forecast bigger challenges for the second year the budget for example, the environmental justice things gets worse not better so challenges ahead of ourselves we have strategies in place between now and the ends of thirty days from now before we turn this budget in to try to address the gap baptise environmental justice that is work we still need to do so i'm confident that budget will come together at the end of the day around general fund question we can talk about but like to introduce mark brown in our admin team rep his boss

unable to be here and walk you through through the budget at as high-level different than the policy committee you'll see clearly where we are in process and where we are in terms of needs and gaps mark. >> welcome. >> thank you, thank you. >> are you going to tell us about pesticides don't. >> well, first of all, thanks for your patience. >> inch learned a lot. >> i do want to say thank you to director raphael and members of the board and within the things i'll start my presentation will not be as uplifting but i don't have any coffee or coffee cups to offer you okay. good. >> so sfgovtv. >> sfgov can you turn on the

slide. >> okay. >> so again, i am pleased to have this opportunity to present our departments budget i want to piggyback on what director raphael said that you know at this point this is our first year with a fixed two year budget however, you know when you say later on baptise slide you'll see over 45 percent of budget comes from grant funding that is impossible - oh,

sorry. >> okay 45 percent of our bhubt comes from the grant funding that is impossible probation officer predict that far away to 2017-2018 will be the same as 2014 with 3 percent across the board adjustment to account for it non-salaries and cost increases therefore that budget will be on a high-level and focused on 2016-2017 so pretty sure the agenda right now is the high-level summary a fiscal picture of 2016-2017 with our expense our revenues for funding sources and staff then show you

the change in fiscal year 2015-2016 and key dates where the budget process and the outgoing questions. >> this slide here. >> okay so as director raphael said stated - the total draft budget for the for the next fiscal year is 2 sorry $22 million dollars grant continue to be the largest source of revenue with $10.2 million no sorry about that grant to be the largest source of revenue at $10.2 million followed by the bond and $2.3 million

spent by program areas as you can see from the chart below the four largest sf project that energy outreach of 3.9 and the top of 82 percent of departments budget our main funding sources are impound and other work orders. >> our impound fund first here you'll see a breakdown of the fund per programs we still have

39 percent the oasis is thirty percent and other column is 19 percent those are the impound fund. >> the next one of the grant fund this slide indicates 80 percent of the grant is sported by energy related projects those projects include energy watch and step upside down and others our other development fund the work orders as you can see many of the programs are receiving some level of work orders from the other development continue to investment from the other city agencies reflect the

important work at the illustrate a good cross department collaboration. >> our staffing f t count remains stable would within fte in 2016-2017 and that's really to implement the disposalable ordinance almost all guys change in 2015-2016 from fiscal year 2016-2017 revenue is projected overall increase with 8 percent coming

in grants and city departments so the increase of the 2 percent of impound and 13 percent in grants and increase of 6 percent if wor workn work orders. >> budget key data capture of them already january 26th we are discussing and february 22nd of the balance the department budget to the mayor may 11 commission operations committee budget update and may a san francisco budget hearing and june - july 29th the final budget adopt by the board of supervisors and at this point that concludes my presentation. i want to thank you all and i'll

be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> that i schizophrenia or have a lifeline to joe. >> thank you thank you. >> all right. questions commissioner wald. >> okay. so i'm kind of redundant to say this but this budget look very different than the budget we approved in the past unless i'm missing something. >> are you looking for more detailed. >> yes. much nor detailed baptise past so we did. >> i don't do budgets to you like this better (laughter) it has to do with with numbers but what happened to the other budget it is this is a two year

budget or what. >> good point we did present more detailed information at the - can you i commissioner stephenson. >> yeah. we remember through everybody in everything baptise form baptise past and went through the operations committee meeting lashing larry last week with the orientation of the department and why count from one place to another and introduced the time if we covered it in the event we get the recommendations it is approved and forwarded here he feel confident but, yes this looks at dramatic but we saw exactly from the operation committee meeting. >> i will just say, i rely on the operations committee to do exactly what you had told me you

did i'll vote on this with a clear conscious. >> we have a lot of questions. >> director raphael and yeah. we - there was a lot of discussion and the people you expect to show up for the meetings were at the those meetings people having asking pointed questions i last week about the format a favor flavor where there is no general fund that we get most of our money from grants and frankly, we've never broke out the overarching principles as you see before us this year is clear and easy it almost looks to good to be true that is in great respect because jennifer our new deputy director wants to make this more clear

and getting david to come and help working with joe and mark and the team to clarify so it is simple and clear and i think that allows us to as a commission to have an appropriated level of discussion as a full commission over the priorities and our gaps and strengths where we want to focus our attendance as a department. >> wounding one thing i'll add i know we went into detail at operation probable between many meeting follow-up meeting with the portal urban greening steering committee a scam with a conversation and a lot of conversation about community gardens there is the model for

community garden it is written up for who knows how many times called alderman i didn't farms i met another founder and executive director of farms put her on the spot the great alice great round of applause (clapping.) and if this is going to be part of kind of the conversation in partnering within the permanently and the other side is 280 to build up the model i embarrass myself with i met alice i said we're proud to support you and support alderman i didn't farms and she's to the point she said you don't anywhere i was surprised as far as i know the farms we were worki

farms how we might consider you can within the realm of the different programs reentering the person not just urban augmentation - thinking about this conversation but jobs and it is education for seniors and youth and environmental justice and a community i want to talk about the items in public housing converting alamany the city and our department have a important part i'll curiosities when is the last time we worked

with alamany farms how we are thinking about partnering in urban i don't know we have the answers but i'll suggest it would be lovely to have the director to come to a policy meeting and talk about the community gardens and how it fits in with more information on that project >> rodriquez for the record in a in addition to the financial information about the development support we'll provide the policy commission members the board of supervisors passed legislation that consolidated the city's approach to imagining farms an urban

garden in rec and park they've been the lead agency on behalf of all of us hired an individual we invited them to the policy committee and updated the commission on the work they're doing we could loop that conversation the city is trying to take a holistic approach with engagement so our response will be both from the departments prospective and our financial contributions from the program as well as looping in rec and park that is taking the lead on behalf of the city on this. >> okay. thank you. >> i would like to add to that i have i do a lot with urban and have seen the work that rec and park has done but also to our credit in the southeast pretty much i've seen the department of

environment i want to acknowledge that and also say, i really want to hear and the public to hear the work we're doing around this as well. >> thank you commissioner omotalade and guessing how relentless team has to do with commission on a different point shall you wait. >> no commission do you have a point. >> direction please tell me a different time regarding the budget i'm on the operation i understand one has this is having enough money for the grant like maternity leave and how is that being addressed and can we do anything to be helpful

i was told perhaps an effort to go to the city at some point for coverage for those kind of hr dices. >> thank you for that question yes, that's under the circumstances not rescued baptise budget document for where our target when we did our risk assessment we talked about that last year at this time we look at structural problems with the fact we are heavily i didn't granted fund and grants don't coffer those kickoff overhead costs like maternity leave a potential challenge so our intention to revisit and have those conversations baptise mayor's office and as to how you can help stay tuned. >> aptise mayor's office and as to how you can help stay tuned. >> ptise mayor's office and as to how you can help stay tuned. >> tise mayor's office and as to how you can

help stay tuned. >> ise mayor's office and as to how you can help stay tuned. >> se mayor's office and as to how you can help stay tuned. >> e mayor's office and as to how you can help stay tuned. >> mayor's office and as to how you can help stay tuned. >> i mayor's office and as to how you can help stay tuned. >> n mayor's office and as to how you can help stay tuned. >> mayor's office and as to how you can help stay tuned. >> t mayor's office and as to how you can help stay tuned. >> h mayor's office and as to how you can help stay tuned. >> e mayor's office and as to how you can help stay tuned. >> mayor's office and as to how you can help stay tuned. >> okay. >> the president is taking a break. >> thank you. i would say the budget reflects the one risk director raphael that is very large projection for there in grant funding you guys got district attorney great grant department i'm not going to question that projection i just want to say that i think we will be willing to help if any way when those entrants come through. >> as some of us have relationship with these funders

baptise bay area and some beyond and he would encourage you to think about the possibility of having sort of the well, not third party but we're cereal part of operation but as valid oversees and advocates as predicament that's it a wonderful idea commission it involved the community that is a great example how to take advantage of you and like to invite you many of you work in nonprofits analytic i'm looking around almost everybody but one works

in nonprofit if you have ideas for grants and think of projects that are out there that the department can at that particular time in so great point thank you. >> commissioner wald you just spoke thank you commissioner bermego where do the grant come from are they federal or state or what grants. >> so if you look at the grant fund there is no numbers on each page i'm afraid scroll through for the grant funds you'll see that 80 percent the grants are given to the energy program so those are a combination of what the past the pg&e money not

ours automatically we have to apply and a lot of the grantdz are department of emergency services so government federal and state in the says case of energy they're coming on the local level they're coming from the state california energy commission and from the department of energy with you look at the other grants 20 percent the transportation grants are generally government grants. >> as you may know especially you work in nonprofits many foundations have invitation to give money to public agencies is the actual dollars from foundations while we treasure them they're small in terms of the overall percent and the areas you see the foundation grants radio like environmental justice and building where we

are able to harness the foundation. >> expiration. >> two questions first do we have any prospects i know the environmental justice and second you'll probable talk about it later what the the general fund to make the same things the structural deficit is there is questions where the people to city attorney's office also on the tackles table. >> your second question we are working on this right now that is what we're going to spend next week month hammering out to see where we got rejected and what case how can we learn when g didn't happen last year so in

the case the attorney's fees comments are worth every penny. >> and the structural we're may look at environmental justice we're looking at where our holes are basically baptise budget that is in process and that one we may very well come to you for advise in terms of for combranls for environmental justice i'm sorry that annie is not here probably didn't think the meeting would be late stayed for as long as she could the environmental program is asking about value the most important thing for a small program in terms of numbers of people that have the biggest impact right now working on pesticides and public housing and working o on the legal dump their grant making and look at

it at energy and energy efficiency in solar and electric revokes it is an exciting time for the environmental justice program the broadening the prosecutes periodic historically is making staff $13 million from a grant settlement he over time they are a grants writing staff and now the beautiful thing about that transition is that they're not restricted to the bay area but all environmental justice in their grant making it is a great time to be in that program the opportunities and challenges >> other questions? this is an action item we're requested to approve the budget and then before we do

let's hear in the public public comment on item 7 >> mr. brooks. >> san francisco clean power advocates for california energy choose your city and county of san francisco green party is first of all, want to second the increasing alamany farm that is important and wanted to raise and specific on the pg&e public i i don't think that is called the public charge but a new but especially from you commissioners staff probably is aware. >> on top of that but the san francisco public works has worked hard for years and maybe should have worked harder on getting the public works to allow communities to get assess

it all of the energy funds that pg&e collects on their bill for the states for those purposes instead of part of those funds if you were able to work with the sfpuc to get awe hold to push the puc you'll have more money to work would be aware of that for the future. >> thank you. >> other comments. >> executive director alice contractor i'm executive director of management corporation for 3 seven years and been the executive director for alamany farms for 3 seven years i want to tell you guys since 2008 no support with the department of

environment don't get me wrong i love the department but had support and help you can say that annie we talk all the time and annie was here earlier and was glad annie came out and supported me with any youth and teaching classes and helped me out teaching class on wednesday with my youth so i came across $50,000 and with supervisor campos i said annie i need you and she came out and helped me out i was busy one person with one owe 68 unit so i needed annie's help so she's been a big support to me.

>> thank you for all you do (clapping.) >> all right. other public comment on the budget seeing none, public comment is closed all right. can we get a motion to approve commissioner stephenson months and commissioner wan i did see the commission motion by sxhooech and seconded by commissioner wan. >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? the i's have it. thank you item 8 a nomination and election of the president and department for discussion and action. >> so colleagues that is the two-fold we have elections that have to honor the president for past 3 years and i will no longer be on the commission as of close of this meeting and we

have talked about i think last time the kind of making sure that we're grooming leaders and cult elevating leadership and making sure we have leadership opportunity for everyone to grow in this commission i was fortunate to start in a leadership really in transition at the commission and we have a lot of opportunities for lead and committee shares and officers here at the commission but i would like to as president nominate someone i had the chance to work with as department and wanting during the search for a director that was a national search and fortunate led us to the best candidate our director debbie

reaping and been able to work on the zero waste pilot program this was her idea when we had tea to download and talk about ideas and she said to push i saw the potential she could do in terms of our efforts to have sustainable funding through did general fund in our efforts to do that last year so i'd like to nominate department sarah with an to be the president of the commission and the rule is we have it somewhere if you're nominated to let us know >> my great honor to serve on the commission i definitely really thankfully to work with president that has a strong vision and mission to make sure

that we serve the communities and bring meaning to the community and definitely had great initiative mind and great leader a great honor you nominated me to be the president which is very hard to follow, however, i happily decline the nomination it is will be a lot of traveling work related and family related, and, secondly, the organization that i am at executive director going through a major transition we actually got a granted through a lot of reorganization and also a lot of strengthening sfrar infrastructure and practices research our organization that will take you a lot of time so i don't feel if i can't put in 100 percent for this commission it

is definitely any due diligence that i can't take the leadership role 0, however, i thank you for the nomination to serve as the vice president and i have to say with the comment i want to encourage the share leadership that is what brought me to be vice president it opened any eyes and spiefrtd beme as a commission and as vice president with that said, i hope that a new commission is also the commission step up to consider this position as well but thank you seniors i'll miss you. >> i'll nominate smoking gun

commissioner bermego to consider the position. >> first of all, i'm still in denial that commissioner arce is leaving so if i have to deal an honor to serve on the commission and though i believe in stepping up and know that there are so many challenges with you're a public servant i've worked in public service and certainly the work is critical i think the chair requires a lot of time and contempt i don't feel confident i can provide but happy for part of leadership by the chair requires a commission we are dealing with a lot of struggles barry any other commissioner i

know we have commissioner wan and commissioner stephenson i think the next person baptise ordered i've worked with them i would you know nominate city of oakland to consider. >> commissioner omotalade you've been nominated. >> (clapping.) >> that's awful wow. (laughter) you have me choking on water i'll be happy to entertain that in commissioner bermego will consider joining as vice president. >> you're on. >> with that said, that's a little known rule a

joint nomination so actually so the commissioner omotalade do you accept the nomination. >> i think it is - >> there wasn't the first. >> okay so following in josh. >> the crazy thing i was size 13 but baptise past year size 14 shall i see a doctor regarding shoes. >> commissioner omotalade as someone baptise area of where i think we had about 5 nomination that lands on me relay lishdz the opportunity i've seen the idea we have chairs and

leadership positions i know you will work and i guess do i still get to say have a say city attorney i have i think you can do a great job and you know one of the things that we talked about is that our engagement of historically disfranchised with the environmental work and creating of jobs isn't that your job description with the blue green. >> it absolutely is. >> commission discuses so a nominee maybe we can take i don't think we have the ability for joint nomination commissioner bermego discussion on our nominee other nominations discussions?

>> i see a stack of no body anybody thoughts? commissioner wald >> i don't think we should a discussion but vote for the nominated individuals and thank her very much. accepting this position >> is there a second. >> second if commissioner hoyos i see anthony visitacion valley did he see. >> yes. . . already seeing none, so >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> electing our new president

the gavel is yours. >> i like over seat over thyo theover seat over thereuover seat over thererover seat over therever seat over therer seat over there seat over the there. >> this is definitely does help. (laughter) okay. so now we're open inform nomination for vice president and i had a nomination i - >> does that stand. >> i'd like to make a nomination of commissioner bermego. >> will you accept. >> i accept. >> so the motion is made and accepted. >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> oh, public comment discuss

and. >> okay >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? >> we have a new vice president (clapping). >> next item on the agenda au naturel. >> director's report updates on the development of assignment so far the problematic operations strategy plan and clean air and energy and public outreach and had been it's and green and zero waste and toxic and urban forestry with director raphael this item for discussion. >> don't worry about that i'm not going through that you have the director's report if our in box only just a couple of things i want to calling your attention to an february 10th i would like you to put on the calendar we have you are green business awards our annual green busy at

autodesk starts at a 5:30 the meeting happens at subsection i'd like for you to be there honoring 71 businesses with designation it is a very wonderful event a way to celebrate small business baptise community we expect to have members of the board of supervisors there and department heads a way for all of us to share in that celebration i want to just say under those is another milestone that happened that was buried in interest but very important that our last ton of materials went to al tampa landfill if so important it marks the ends of a very link contract and the beginning of a new one a landfill contract that took a lot of time and effort of staff

and was fairly contest but most of those objections have fallen by the way side and a strong contract that will encourage zero waste and encourage us not to send things to landfill so i'll excited about that i do want to call out the energy watch program within the staff was at a merging and left hand to commission from the california public utilities commission peter man give a talk about and our staff person was motivated she went to up to the commission and love to tell you about our program and said, of course, and took her on a tour that i think pretty much blew the commissioners mind that is possible to do with energy

efficiency and helping lower-income neighborhoods taken to an affordable housing facility and a local market that and the ordinances and is project sponsors gave tare testimony of appreciation that was powerful for that commission to understand that public goods charge money or whatever is in good hands the other milestone i'll give you a head up supervisor mar and the board of supervisors adapted or put in place a energy efficiency coordinating committee run by the sfpuc with us providing the technical assistance nothing has happened for various reasons we step up to the plate and now anthony here and now we'll have

capability and told supervisor mar we will take it so the first meeting is in march we can't do that all the time but this case we found a way so i'm excited so you know that's enough for now i'll say a lot going on in affordable housing in public housing and this is something that is a real focus of ours as we bring environmentalist into san franciscans and i encourage to look the director's report you'll see example of our staff going into neighborhoods to bring affordability and sustainability to all the neighborhoods so thank you. >> correct i'd like to commend overseeing efforts one thing i will say that i feel like every event i go to you all are always interest there i applaud that i

think one of the vooichltd has got away from the communities of color i applaud the commission to meet people and connect environmentalist to the reaching symmost of communities are suffering to thank you. >> so the next item is for the - >> i'm supposed to talk so i will laura commissioner arce. >> thank you, madam chair the thing i want to say is really great to hear the energy steering committee maybe moving forward i feel this is 90 in our

hands as anthony it is an say, i started working on this thing i remember eric was there and others 2007 i think that is what that started maybe 2008 and came out our money and supervisor mar wanted to make sure that the equality and environment around the energy efficiency i remember seeing supervisor mar saying one year less than a year on the board of supervisors that committee as all the seats filled baptise years it will be a real kind of thing to help him build out his legacy for strong environmental justice baptise beginning of his career to be able to side that bring home the department and convene that

meeting and have him there and share the history would be a great thing to have happen so this good news director raphael. >> any duration public comment. >> yes good evening. i'm make that quick eric brooks san francisco clean energy advocate time to highlight on the criterion energy the aspect of clean energy we now have reached a momentum of reached a momentous day of battling clean power on may 1st and the two things that i want to impress on the environment and commission about the nun is that we're doing the groorts organizers and

the advocates and your staff and the san francisco public utilities commission staff are going to be doing a lot of strong outreach to get people to sign up for cleanpowersf which if you choose bariatric green theo percent less than penguin and 100 percent complaen if you want to spend for money and watching sfgov go to clean power sf.org one word and.com and sign up if you're a pg&e customer one thing we want you to be conscious there is a partnership between our staff and unstuck and public to do outreach to get lots of people to sign up the first customers will be a lot of them in district 10 in that community of opportunities and commercial customers so that's an opportunity we need to

amplify to get that district engaged in kind of leapfrogging the environmental problems and getting into a new paradigm the other issue even though we are exist to the program is st. paul for clean energy probably a million jobs the within drawback a couple of weeks ago it is current the sfpuc staff has sort of the conservative view of build out in san francisco and not projected starting a comprehensive build out until if you look at the climatic crisis started working on it and building it in san francisco is too long of a water we need the

development of environmentalist to use the pilot program and other ideas to flush out financing ideas that gets those things and strategies that gets the build out happening faster than 2020 so, please work towards are towards that. >> any further public comment public comment is closed. and we will move on to did next item of the agendas the policy committee report. >> in the absence of commissioner wald i wanted to mention the policy committee reports on december fingerprinting we were joined by former commissioner arce and

commissioner honda the items discussed we have the new draft of the resolution in support of recollection of port of the garden district and this united states of america was discussed and the policy commissioner lee meeting of january 11, 2016, we also received an update on prelims of the disposal shipyard of 2015 and staff will come as major milestones are achieved and the commission will vote on the fees of the administration of that program the other item the last item the community discussed the departments annual report the staff requested we move towards

an unanimous report that reflect the fiscal year instead of the calendar year and staff is working on a timeline and will report back to the community that is from the policy committee meeting thank you. >> thank you. any discussion commissioners hearing on a discussion move for public comment. >> this is the last one and short eric brooks with i volunteer and help folks that are commenting on pesticides we met baptise haul after you, your determination and i think i might have the item number wrong the point is item 6 on pesticides we would ask that the policy committee agendize this for february and march to have a

preliminarily discussion and set a march meeting things will get nailed down but folks want that to discuss that thanks. >> is there any additional public comment? >> discussion largely nun public discussion is closed anthony next item. >> the operation highlights of january 2016 for discussion we met last week it was commissioner hoyos first meeting great to have her spent the bulk of the times on two things one was amazing and one was technical we went over the budget and dove into - one of the things the fact that as we discussed baptise full commission there was an

assessment of the department to look at restructuring a little bit to see which development areas were covering and which didn't and moved the personnel around and asked to have a followup presentation in either our next meeting are possible a full commission meeting to talk about what that looks like we also had a presentation by donny and his staff an outreach and one of my favorite things and got to see with the data what happened last year with the outreach efforts specifically effecting that campaign and a insight how they'll expand and great event had a presentation on environment now and emigrate to see success stories of the

wonderful environment program and pair laid that into careers from energy to things at the department of the environment we have committed people if you're out there and listening come to the operations meeting. >> thank you, commissioner for that report is there anything discussion amongst the commission hearing none public comment seeing none, public comment is closed and move to the next item. >> item 12 announcements for discussion. >> are there any announcements? commissioner arce >> thank you, madam chair so you know, i have two one is i would like to get together when

i become a civilian with mr. brooks about an initiative that i brought to any union as a community liaison at local 261 we seek to early enroll our members in the clean power and a challenge that the members baptise communities where we want to enroll our are impacted by the digital divide to coming up with strategies would be a good thing to do and look forward to that and second it is my last meeting can't say building it kind of crept up you know and assume as bring back commissioners i mean, i'll be here and someone will be making jokes like i did moorng but honor to be on this commission and then when i was begin the

opportunities and the trust of colleagues to lead being a new commissioners, i know what it feels like for commissioners holiday don't want to dissent the core leadership and stewardship of that great department a shining beacon across the world and especially those of us who are taken a non-traditional path with environmental justice or clean energy with good jobs it sustained the communities when you put the summon of those things together with all the amazing environmental stewardship and truly the

environmental work must look like and engage the communities historically and must talk about creating jobs it hurts me all the time on the labor side trying to force the partnerships when folks within the labor environmentalists don't know how to work we quantify the program at the department i'm proud we have be able to get out button community and people we met and hoping that something is a lot of work but got a hard work chair and vice chair that is hard working and outlet be happy to share as president and vice president as we allow the city attorney tom we're without a commission we can talk about that that (laughter) that's right and so it is -

>> yes. that's right a good points prop c i'm looking forward to stepping back too i know when i was and commissioner, i was a fairly assertive that personality i loved to get together and that with every commission and incorporated it into my role as president and deliver that to the director and talk about how the commission and the departments sync up that was with an the things that struck us when the director said to utility the capability ofless the challenges challenges i've seen her do that and the deficit of the men and women coming out the department one of the first things and request of our good

friend dr. espanola jackson we wrote up a report that hesitate a black human right i bet you if you look at the diversity of the department it outstanding we talk about the hire it is diverse crossed race and gender and everything that i think those of us from the social justice and civil rights side of environmental movement we think should be happening and work with the folks jennifer and others need to see that happen i'm looking forward to look at this from the outside and being able to step back and see how you put it together i won't be far away and be there from time to time more often than you think or like but the last thing

i want to say which is for me kind of full circle when with our new commission wanting when i met her he was starting to do the work a perfect blend of environmental stewardship people think about the environment that connecting the communities on the saets segment from the parish and open space with the green and everyone with economic status the thing that was interesting when i met her showing she intoxicate took on the work and the first person she talked to she sought out in hunters point what thinking about how to connect the jobs and quality of life and we're all equal and all entitled

baptise the right the environmental right the first person was amazing environmentalist home to talk with and listen to for hours on end was dr. espanola jackson so for me that was a great place to end and step away working her spirit fills this room and continues to influence everything at the commission i'm happy about that thank you. >> (clapping). >> commissioners discussion? well, i'll jump in first and say that josh been a pleasure working with you on so many levels both technologically our meeting you came to one committee meeting our commitment to diverse and inclusion to building bridges to the actual

departments to the community and neighborhoods people live and work is just unpraerldz i thank you for passion and dedication for on so many levels building bridges and removing barriers culture barriers to create >> change and thank you for that and i must say i'm a little bit nervous so fill the big shoes now move to study. >> josh is makes me sad to think of you leaving and i know that we will invite you back baptise way we invited monique back to say good by you'll have a lot more to hear in all of us at 915 but suffice to say your

skilled at seeing the complex situation is a skill and i love watching you in action how. >> articulate the problem statement and find a path forward that is a gift i know that will serve you in whatever you do and the world will be a better place because of that thank you for demonstrating leadership. >> next commissioner bermego. >> i first met josh kwhifs other than the boards of latino issues he was doing some work for that organization i thought i've known him and it is a great look his commitment then to the work the program i think worked with

primarily latino community on environmental justice none was talk about that baptise latino community and the environment and the policy papers and getting people in sacramento to that about that in hair policies and so four years old get in fabulous proinlt and get to come back to san francisco and reconnect with josh and now talked about his work baptise community and so committed to his family and everything it is so a full packagef a person not just caring about the community. >> family and everything we know we will continue to work and see you but it has been a true honor to work with you and debbie and my fellow

commissioners leads the way that no other commissions on the environment are doing so baptise rest of the country is is beacon for attract the fight for making not the usual suspects that's what i love about this commission. >> commissioner hoyos well, i'm sad any very first commission meeting is not lasting but it is an honor what was echoed your orientation our just lens that you bring to everything and also your replacement for the complunts leaders that have trained you in a way i feel like you have modest i didn't and appreciation

from the labors laborers you thank you. we feel there are new things ahead for you and love to continue to work with you as a civilian and possible as an elected official baptise future i love kind of like debbie said navigate the discussion tonight not easy he feel like really rooted in what is right here i think when elected officials and public officials and appointed officials are motivated by what is right it is special thank you. >> any public comment? >> can i say one thing your family supports you and making it so against the work you realize my wife lisa is at

home with our four-year-old son and 11 month-old baby i have to remember that family connecting and something unfortunately, we can't forgot but having the family support that allows you to do this is key and has really been something for me to have a great family that helped and thanks again for all the very gracious and kind things that everybody said. >> you'll be missed we're going to open up for public comment now. >> seeing none, public comment is closed. and next item president's

announcements. >> i'll decline do we have to open up for open up for public comment. >> open for discussion public comment? hearing public comment is closed. and move to the next item >> commission manager written report for the commission manager report for the dissemination notice the speaker a anthony and manager this is more quickly commissioners the conversation and correspondence in your packet including a discrepancy notice we are required to send to the folk that concludes my report subscribed to our mailing list and this also for a few commissioners who were here last year, i have our w two's don't let me forget to gives to you

this item an open for discussion commissioners commissioner stephenson. >> the only thing if there is an m l u for people to opt into the mailing. >> sure so folks can e-mail me my name is address is on the agenda that's one way to gets on the list the other way by going to the website with this agenda one of the attachments for the documents is the discrepancy form they can fill out environment sf environment.org slash commission. >> thank you. any further discussion commissioners seeing none, open for public discussion seeing none, no one public comment is closed.

>> the next item is new business for discussion and polk action. >> commissioners any new business or future agenda items >> hearing none open up for public comment hearing no public comment public comment is closed. we will move to the next item. >> the next is public comment at this time, members of the public may address the commission on items of interest to the public that are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission except agenda items. with respect to agenda items. >> public comment is now open and closed what about our gavel. >> next item public comment on all matters tattoos closed session on public employees performance and appraisal property any public comment?

hearing none just a yes eric brooks just a question it this expected to be a long item can staff answer that question or. >> does anyone know. >> okay yes what can we say. >> it depends upon on what the definition of long is pardon me. >> being 20 minutes. >> okay our lawyer has spoken. >> is there any further public comment hearing public comment is closed. we will move to the next item on the agenda anthony the vote to that who to hold closed session phenomenon the

employee elevation. >> a motion to close the session. >> to move into closed session. >> motion is made. >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? t we rekneecap to open the session moving out of closed session does that require a motion okay. we're back in open session the next item is to rotate whether i'm entertain a motion to vote whether or not to disclosures items out in closed session. >> move to not disclose anything a second to that

motion. >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> any opposition hearing none the motion passes. >> can i say one beginning or thing before we adjourn really glad to do this never forgot to attention. >> deputy superintendent tom owen for all the work he does and never forget i often do, of course, anthony and his great work but one unsung hero the mainstream of sfgovtv their, their unsung heros my parting word ever advise madam chair commissioners, i want anyone to remind me. >> perfect. >> so anthony move to the last item adjournment the time is 1023.

>> does that require a motion. >> i think we move hit the gavel someone make a motion >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> this meeting is officially adjourned - >> good morning, everybody. thank you for coming to city hall first of all, thank to all the departments it under the general umbrella of the emergency management public

works and area our economic & workforce development office including our faith cbo community and penguin and others we've been explicit expecting some big storms to come our way as conversations with meteorologists i think that's their property name and scientists warn us of the el nino storms that are coming here that will certainly our city and our area will be a focus of what necessary expect to be flooding i haven't seen any rain yet but i want to be and so our department desirable reduce if we lucky we'll be offeringly prepared we deal with unexpected dangers about you it is good he appreciate the departments and

our direction coming together and doing everything we can to prepare not only themselves and their operations but to the public to the medium large and small businesses particularly to the residents for most now we know that with the exceptions we've been working in the private segment and public sector as well as with the faith based partners to make sure we're all ready and reemphasis that everyone should continue at their time when there isn't a big flooding going on to assess sf 72.org that is where there is good information we work on that site very well to prepare everybody and again thank our department of emergency services for putting out robust sets of information for i cannot we will

definitely be taking care of people on the streets as much as possible and hear more detail but 11 hundred more beds more than the shelter beds and in addition to the winter she will not beds that enter faith council is helping us to identify that are human services will identify an additional 11 hundred shelter beds for those people that that she will not should that large storm come our way we're preparing those sites and want to make sure that people who are on the streets know we have your outreach teams letting them know we have additional shelter so we simply do not try to experience the effects of a large storm by themselves but reach out to as

much as possible thank you to public works and the public utilities commission for work together i've seen the crews and done videos with their volume trucks i know how loud 38 they are they've been looking every catch bacon and with all the leaves they'll be plugged so we have to refresh those catch bacons by unfleg influencing them and any residents that see them plugged for trash or leafs report those to 311 and those agencies will get out to take care of them and make sure our infrastructure can go as much as they can to deal with 9 emergency our office of economic workforce development i want to thank them they've been in

communications aimed at our small businesses that are particular flowed prone areas their preparing and making sure we know what they can do and the services we office public works and other agencies working on those sites we'll have those sites up where residents and visitors can object 10 i think 10 free he moomd for their use at locations that convenient for them this is one location we'll have them at a number of locations nearby historically identified places of flooding but i do want to say our attitude as city hall is one we want everyone to know that alert

sf and the 72 hours.org is there we're preparing for a disagreeing discharge that is man made or otherwise we're prepared and want to put out as much free information as possible so when people plan for those disasters it is less changing more before corning sea making sure they take care of the communications and their families and businesses and their neighbors i want to say again, thank you to our event our police department they'll be out there making sure they respond to any specific needs that are there along with public works as we have our deniable that can assist people in inspecting areas the city or the homes and apartments what might be needed

as well as public works we emphasis that if there is any life-threatening emergency people for sure call 9-1-1 but when no life-threatening emergency please call 311 steady and that will be taken care of and the distinctions are in the tree branch falls on the street none it hurt that's the 311 but if a life wire ryan falls and people around that that is a 9-1-1 it is life-threatening we need to distinguish that so we don't have our lines filled with inappropriate calls to those lines we want the public to be read i again offer my thanks to the departments that are here today they are ready and they're willing they're able to engage in the departments and we want our city to be safe and prepared

and doing what we do early and often so again, thank you and up now with more details along with the other departments is ann from our department of emergency services. >> thank you, mr. mayor and good morning in the early 80s and the late 90s we had huge storms here in the bay area well, actually throughout california according to a recent released e released report 46 days of rain in january and february of 1998 that's a lot of rain we learned from each experience each large storm that go things happy you you know you have downed power lines and the mayor said and power outages and flooding all sorts of thing we need to

prepare we've gone through 4 years of drought a lot of trees coming down they don't have the root structures and the mudslides we have been preparing for this the impact is on the whole community of san francisco we started developing plans last fall working with all of our city departments agency and our nonprofit partners in the faith community and developing a game plan for el nino this year our concept of proclamations or game plan is continuous operations through a storm it if a severe storm tweezer in constant contract with the national weather service that provides us with information on point telling you the impact and severity of the storm and the

potential hazards to san francisco we will queen a conference call with the city storm incident management team or i m t to update the partner agencies what to expect with the upcoming storm if necessary we'll open our emergency operations on 1011 turk to make sure we're court reporting our response activity with rains as the little spitting rains out p there and right now our city is preempt twenty-four hour to make sure that the residents and citizens and the visitors to san francisco are safe our game plan relies on the corridor response at all levels of government navigate our lead integer managers my lead el nino

plan is meeting with fema to talk about our court reporting response effort our success relies on all our partners like pg&e, and our community-based organizations who are integrated with us at all levels of emergency operations in the field on the tv monitor you'll see sf 72 hour or city now the information hub and find information updates i'd like to take the opportunity when not an emergency this is a live site i encourage people to go check it out and finally with alert sf our text merchandising service in san francisco we have a new feature that will make that easier for people to sign up all you have to do a text 888777

triple 8, triple 7 and type in alert sf you're connected to this environmental service i encourage all people in san francisco and visitors to sign up for alert sf by registering you'll be able to keep yourselves save. >> what to expect as we approach the el nino storm on that note i'm going to turn it over to trent roar the director of our emergency services. >> thank you. i'm trent the human services and hsa is the lead agency for providing shelters in emergencies and we're stepping up for el nino on both ann and i were actually involved that the shelters in

the 7, 98 a lot of lessons we learned the biggest one we don't want a single shelter with one thousand plus people but shelters where the homeless are and a plan as the mayor said 11 hundred shelter beds with others depending on the demand located throughout the neighborhoods in san francisco admission and south of market, tenderloin, civically and southeast part of city and bayview and the hatred golden gate park but the process we'll undertake when we prepare for this storm will be meeting with the national weather service we'll look at winds and temperature and duration and amount of projected precipitation based on those factors we'll decide whether or

not to activate the shelters we'll prepare in phases so if we do make the determination we need to activate for our long phases do it in phases the way we stage the locations allows us to bring the shelters up to two or three hours so that excludes mats and partnering with meals on wheel easy this salvation army and others meals on wheels and staffed with city staff as well as the nonprofits the shelter will operate on to a form 700 to project how long it will last and probable a half or a day after the transitioning out of the shelters the types of location the first thing we look at where are the existing be shelters are providing shelters

for folks our emergency shelter some is 15 hundred and 25 beds right now at hsa and that's 1 hundred plus for single adults women and families and some have drop in areas or cafeterias to allow individuals that's the first place we'll look and activate and have our partners with the rec and park department their 3 rec centers that will be used and then the nonprofit partners and others who have facilities we can use and lastly other facilities ymca for example, has stepped up to provide their give him nature in the western edition and activating weasel be learning was a as we go it is hard to anticipate but in 1998 we had a

thousand beds that seems to me you looked at sort of the homeless places in the at any given time 3 thousand people on the streets some don't want to good indoors and at risk of our harming themselves partnership with other agencies and temporary accommodations for two or three nights and others for the homeward bound the transportation program in other cities and shelter the remainder as we assess the storm and the demand and already have contingencies for hundred additional beds should we need that the facilities will not be some discussion or word on the street to have tents they're not tempts those are permanent

structures that will be adding mats and other things to - some of the facilities some of the bigger sheds might be heat and in those cases erect a tent inside of a structure but no plans for tents on the city streets and thanks to the partnering with tdm and others nonprofit partners with the department of health we'll be doing the street outreach and the hope sf so we feel that we're prepared and almost finished with the memorandum of understanding and contract for locates we'll be ready to activate within a couple of weeks we anticipate the weather is hard to anticipate but the heavy el nino rains from january so february we'll be prepared for the homeless residents thanks. >>