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place incorporating the same block so i think that as huge surface they at street level obviously a big competition to have established businesses and open this street we're it in the neighborhood so we are drawing the clients from the same neighborhood and the idea we'll have so many clients kcmo from all over the city being we don't have anywhere to park and i think that some of the products we intend to sell we're already selling this is unfair competition for a small established business that's my concern thank you. >> okay is there any
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additional public comment? >> open this item? okay public comment is closed. >> and opening up to commissioners commissioner antonini. >> this as a very good project and for my purposes consider sacramento a designation a number of stores and restaurant and other things i will go to sacramento for i don't live ♪ neighborhood nor is my business in that neighborhood that in and of itself it sounds like a very good improvement restoring the windows and making that assessable to two different ways it will make a more attractive frontage and potential for quite a few of the jobs and i witnessed this all the time where people i know will drive out of san francisco for a particular product or service and saving 2 thousand people if driving to palo alto is good in
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keeping tax revenue in san francisco so i think this is a very good and their also making street tree improvements and staff has already opined this is a retail are accessory so i think i mean there was one speaker that brought that up if that's a determination that is that type of use and e vertebrasy medical is okay. i'll move to approve >> i know the street very good all the small- as far as
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competition i'm not sure we can make a decision on competition this is a good application where maybe having that barrier of 110 blow is put a bright line to me maybe mublt locations didn't take out small businesses but if they're lucky enough to have 11 hundred consumers that will be good up and down successful and ultimately want to see it successful. >> commissioner vice president richards. >> a question for staff medical verse non-medical with the bright line. >> the breakdown. >> well medical will not be allowed doctor's office or would. >> it is not permitted in this district there are some - one provision
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that allows a business or professional service use to be converted to a medical service on the first floor if inform retail formula is lost the only provision that allows a medical business. >> can you didn't think accessory medical. >> in less than 1/3rd of floor area that makes it an seary use. >> maybe the question for the project sponsor. >> so i don't go got back of the business because i look fabulous. >> you do (laughter). >> people coming in off the street buying products what's the percentage that goes to the medical treatment and buys it versus the people off the
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street. >> 80 percent of our traffic includes a retail component so i also that when we that first time started out retail is a higher component of our total sales that's how we establish a relationship with our customers and that over time we convert them to other services so i'll say in the beginning retail will be more than half and more than half of our square footage. >> so are they offered anywhere else. >> our retail products we have a higher level of supervision and products that are not generally valuable in other places we offer that to the neighborhood. >> none of them are prescription. >> no they're just products that have more significant active ingredients and the people make them distribute them
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through managing the process of people using them. >> commissioner hillis. >> so one i just i think we have to remind ourselves we're looking at the land use and commissioner president fong comments and concerns i used to go to the arc and i think the street has changed since losing the arc but what is key for me here is the retail component of this i think i agree with some of the speakers that spoke we want to that maintain the retail presence and i was looking at our pictures of the retail component the front you you know the fact it will be a skin care retail space on it's own will be allowed we wouldn't be talking about that if f that were the case the fact the type of
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business is not really what we're looking at we're looking at the fact we wanted to arrive and keep the retail an fist storefront with the conditions for the first 25 feet is retail for the street it is good there are more people coming and perhaps less parking that tends to be good for others businesses so i share those concerns but staff has done a good job and that retail continue and function as retail and i think we all the neighbors should be diligent about making sure it it didn't turn to o pack windows we see the cases that close off the retail but given that i'm supportive. >> commissioner moore. >> i think given the length of the sacramento retail corridor generous actually with the
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wonderful stores with the storefronts i'm not opposed to closing and the refinishing the storefront that will be better aside very a overriding concerns with i go to that part of sacramento frequently that the city's parking regulations are not at all supportive of small businesses. >> it is like two minutes and 25 seconds or a minute and a half it is almost impossible to do leisurely going around in that retail environment in support of small business owners that needs the parking more relaxed in order for us to be supportive or those who fear competition we need to help the way we're mardi gras the
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corridors to help those people that are there obviously when anyone comes from treatment i think someone needs the parking space longer than one coming in one hour this is a push back of how to manage supporting this kind of a store by not tipping the scale against the small business owners that's how i look at it enough said i'm in support but appreciate in planning and staff trying to manages that side of corridor. >> commissioner wu. >> thank you. i think i have a question for staff so on the accessory use the fact that is 1/3rd i'm looking at the planned there seems two types of rooms like a lazer and something of a facial room is that only the lazer room that are are
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considered medical or both the rooms. >> right to so the medical room is the cosmetic injections the facial treatment are 9 personal service. >> so the 1/3rd of the square footage is only what looks like maybe 4 rooms?. >> yeah, it is 1/3rd of the total square footage i'll mention with the architect taking a look at the land use percentages the retail is actually a higher percentage if you consider the fact that open the plans the packet it shows the percentage square footage based on all including the common areas so the retail percentages is higher. >> okay i want to just to be clear for
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the record those 40 rooms legal cosmetic and lazer treatment that's the accessory use and that is what need to be with the >> schizophrenia i ask the owner one question in this other stores what percentage of the clients are booked by appointment versus walk in so if - >> well again somewhat of an evolution a lot more walk in when we first start and as we develop relationships less but a good i mean, i'll is in palo alto our oldest store we still
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have probably 20 percent walk in. >> maybe like a hair slogan 12 chairs. >> yeah. we always have some availability not 100 percent booked all the time but the beginning it will be a lot higher. >> to build up. >> commissioner moore. >> of personal interest how old it the interior of the existing store. >> the interior picture unless the picture is out of context is a lovely picture to it has lovely qualities and the question i'll ask is there anything to the interior or is
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that much older. >> people will have to come up to the podium. >> the interior was to look at novs arc a toy story like flat wall on the wall and all the columns are just spurred out to look at are look like the inside of a boat. >> thank you. >> okay jonas. >> all right. there is a motion that has been seconded to approve that with conditions staff actually amended the motion by reading a section into a findings into the record i'm showing you are you amenable >> approve the motion as amended by staff. >> yeah. >> that should be fine. >> and the seconder is okay.
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thank you very much on that motion commissioner antonini commissioner hillis commissioner moore commissioner wu commissioner vice president richards and commissioner president fong so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 6 to zero and places us on item 10. >> oh. >> i'm sorry. >> can we take a short break please. let's disruptions of any kind. proceedings. and when speaking before the commission, if you care to, do state your name for the record. commissioners, we left off under your regular calendar on item 10
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franklin street this is a conditional use authorization. >> good afternoon president fong and city council members of commission allison park coming down the pike listen the item before you it request for a conditional use authorization to allow pacific heights in to establish a thirty room tourist home e hotel on a four story building located on the northwest corner the n c-3 zoning district the upper floors are a variability of unpermitted use that exist since the 1970s include permanent and medical and service and professional service there is a condition of approval promoted in the draft motion that insures by unauthorized use are vacated between thirty days the restaurants is not part of plan it is worth noting this was built agents a hotel in 1904 and
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parades until 1970s when was illegally enforced to office space this is process under the business propriety with conditional use authorization to the condition use the planning commission it considered to consider the following criteria one of the impact the competence of the public transit and childcare and other social services to the extent that the commission shall consider the assessable and part time permit of hotel and two the measures will be taken by the project sponsor to employ residents of san francisco in order to minimize increased demand for regional transportation and three the type property as a quick aside this third feelings with inadvertently left out of the draft motion to commission
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manager has passed out the revised draft motion with the highlighting horror our review the standards cu fbld the department building pat kruflgs is nvshl and compatible with the projected shortage of tourists hotels rooms the city the sponsor as committed to hiring local san franciscans through the city's fir source program even though this is the triggered due to the small size of the project total 5 full-time and others apartment no significant increase no housing or childcare or other social services the proposed occupancy will be high year-round by returning this to the did original tourist use it providing community benefits
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with hotel resumes outside of the downtown in close proximity to c camtc hospital and japan and other tourist designations duo to date the department has correspondence if two people in oppositions with that said, the department supports this and recommends approval with conditions the participated bay area locally owned hotel is to serve travelers out of hotels in the use activates the upper 3 fleerz restoring the building to the tourist hotel use and staff asks that the planning commission finding be amended to state that the commission finding of feels there project is necessary and desirable and comparable with the neighborhood character and surrounding use and as so forth the application
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submitted that concludes my presentation. and i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> thank you. >> project sponsor. >> good afternoon commissioners from mary tell joined by the building owners and operators and a project architect i think or want to thank mr. clark for work or working us with getting if project before you and appreciate his time and effort spend a little bit time adding meat on mr. clark presentation and about the way we will operate the hotel and how we will hire the employees for the most part my a complies are small hotel operators own 10 hoeltsdz in nell most of them from 25 to 75 rooms of small to
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medium sized hotel this is within their office space they were told there was basically an office and professional used kind of building and wrote a letter of determinations and findings the zoning administrator opine that all the uses were professional bike sharing were unlawful and low and behold the last legal use was a tourist hotel that is lapd had to seek another cu we filed under the processing program and at the time my clients took ownership of the building of the spaces were fully occupied by a preoperative meeting in july of 2015 tenants said that the property management most vacated by attrition we filed the papers
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9 tenant left in the building prufrt to vacate the building within thirty disof this project approval we so you get the notice of determination and basically, their leaving we have not heard anyone challenging the vacation it will be in compliance with the continuing condition the basis themselves actually, the 33 spaces are anywhereing what was there originally and the changes we're to reduce the size of the spaces to thirty rooms to expand the bathroom facilities for the hotel and provide for assessable rooms and assessable bathrooms the demographics are in basically for travelers and others coming to the city either to visit northern california or the tourist designations or
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because of the proximity to 9 camtc facilities they have a loved one that they may end up being a patient the europe style of the hotel is going to fit it demand that is unmet with the transient location and a well run hotel getting people to the place they need and to be the city as mr. clark stated we will video telephone employees apartment and not a big business but use as he said the mayor's office of economic workforce development as a source to find qualified employees and we believe that ms. hester give us a great suggestion in here lessor i'll submit we use the serviced of chinese affirmative action so they'll are qualified folks as well that is a nice
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range of organizations to hire folks to work this hotel we're in transient rich location and seeking a parking space permit because of the nature of the democrat grafkdz there is not a lot of folks staying the hotel are are a rental car they'll use muni or take a taxi but not a need for off-street parking to satisfy the needs of this hotel no parking provided there mouse's and in terms of arrive and drop off we are first and foremost changing the address from franklin footage where the existing restaurant to the others building and work with the believable and provide some kind of signage again that bruno heights let's folks know the
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intaps is not on franklin and again if agreement with mr. ms. hester's letter anymore robust getting to the hotel available on the hotels website as well as at the management desk people can have a muni map to get around town. >> with that said, i don't need to additional anything if you have any questions, i'll be happy to answer them. >> open up for public comment any general public comment ms. hester. >> sue hester attorney for united here local two the hotel workers have some concerns their minor and most
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they're by project sponsor - our too big concerns we're asking your attention for is the exhibit a to first of all, the resettle who you hire is very important and the addition of camtc program subsistence mission hiring is important that is on page 2 special finding for hotels going to page 5 there is a provision about how you exhibit a to the revised motion a lot of stand up language and changes and modifications that the at the bottom of page one based on be burned by the last hotel that come through the
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commission we want the addition of the following language that if the zoning administrator wants to approve the changing unit i understand they're not planning and they'll have a hard time they have do go back to the commission and at least tell you last hotel they came through came through as a 94 room hostile and had large hostile rooms it was converted after you had a hearing to a 200 and 4 room hotel babes staff analysis it says offering we're counting heads of people that will be there in beds no hotel the planning code when the administrative code anywhere the city is other than rooms of a hotel but all of a
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sudden it came beds administratively interpreted ass at bed we have 7 and market approval for 200 and 4 room hotel instead of a 94 hostile so the planning commission should pay attention to try get used to depriving the zoning administrator of the ability to change the nature of what was presented the commission i'm glad they added assessment accessibility it good and signage all the issues i've talked to other attorney on the other side and i think they're in agreement and i heard that in their language thank you very much. >> is there any additional
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public comment? >> - good afternoon commission cynthia research with the hotels union we're not taking a position on this project one way or another but want to speak to a few concerns one the planning department relies on analysis of project and transportation analysis that has the assumption that hotel employees will be san franciscan as walk to their jobs the conditional use for hotel and molt section requires that the commission evaluates this this particular project might be small in terms of room and employee count given the proliferation of the micro hotel projects you'll expect to see planning must recognize the dwindling hotels as well as the
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rapid displacement of san franciscans that work the city hotel business the conversion of rent-controlled to short-term rentals and the growing number of sros that are seeking to go to hotels major help the shortage of san francisco this is a backdrop to the workforce you should look at the analysis given the proliferation of those micro hotel or short-term rentals sro conversion, etc. and the loss of rent-controlled and the resulting impact on the workforce local 2 asked that planning look at the in terms of third floor their cumulative and not project by project i'm submitting pursuant to the sunshine ordinance the written summary of fortune one and 50
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words ask to be the minutes as well as a portion of my copy thank you. >> is there any additional public comment? >> okay public comment is closed. >> commissioner antonini. >> yeah. i think that is a very good project and obviously as we've heard didn't remorseful any housing i think the last speaker was knowing in terms of general job one is getting a job and it creates job that is most importantly and housing is important but have to have a job to support housing i'm very much in favor of that and converting badge an neuron authorized conversion i know a lot of the bones of the building will remain the same the floor plan shouldn't have to be changed i like the last address that gives it more character we know that i don't know if we have the
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statistics here i think historically in terms of hotel workers the percentage of san franciscans residents is pretty high so that is a good thing and there's a shortage of the small hotel this particular neighborhood does have a few of various sizes but a need for that a lot of people will visit and stay in a neighborhood and they don't want to stay downtown not to go back and forth to visit friends they want to be close to where the family and because of constraint of the people they can't stay the house with their friends that is really good especially with the cal pacific medical center that may have a patient foreign a few days they want to be close he this is a really good use to
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give us a lot of feel of european types of hotel i think that meets the criteria and glad those annexations were made in conformity with the conditions we have to have and the finding are included the revised draft motion i'll move to approve using the words of the revised draft motion. >> second. >> commissioner moore. >> january i think that is an interesting project and returning to its original use is better a ramon house not a europe partner hotel over there you have the significant attempt on price and at least it included a sink or toilet on their own that's a separate discussion the point i'd like to make when
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directed towards the zoning administrator i want to see particular attendance towards supporting the alley and the moving the entrance to a more impressed way the idea find entrance the alley is giving an identity of the address and location because frank it is show along you, you're not knowing which block, however, i would like to see the support for the alley as living space i'm not talking about shared space but one that helps to take some of the unimpressed ideas we super not yet implemented into activating the alley through 9 positive space that can be done to escaping and signage but have an active commitment to the alley that is important we try
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to build the network and those moves are the beginning point for helping the department to move from policy into prelims i'd like this particular project to participate otherwise i'm no support and support the motion. >> commissioners, if there's nothing further there is a motion that has been seconded to approve that matter with conditions small property owner one more time and amended. >> as amended by staff. >> can we amend the motion with the address of two attention to the alley i want to make that part of motion i don't know what but give the staff the ability to talk with the owners we're doing more as suggested the plan. >> yeah. that is fine as long as the embellishments to the alley are that good idea. >> very good then on that
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motion to approve this matter with conditions as amended by staff with additional attention to the alley commissioner antonini supervisors commissioner moore commissioner wu commissioner president fong. >> so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 5 to zero excuse me. >> and places us on items 12 ab 11 ab geneva and santa fe avenue you'll consider a conditional use authorization and at zoning administrator will consider a request for a variance. >> good afternoon marseille with department staff the item before you request for the conditional use authorization for the use at the power house building within the complex known as the geneva carbarn the conditional use authorization is required because the property is located within the public zoning district historically known as the san
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francisco and san ma to it is a city landmark and the building those buildings are together the national california register owned by the rec and park department and are sited along the north west evidently of genevadge of geneva the rec and park department is prototyping american people awe adopt reuse of both buildings the overview is provided in the packet due to the anticipated funding allegations and the certificate of appropriateness by the historic preservation commission and their request by you for conditional use authorization request see will mirror those if phase one the majority of work is proposed within the power house from the
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industrial to a community facility as a event of arts exhibition center because the constraint the 0 no parking property the project is not asking for class one bike parking the site altercation are required to support the work at the building and the historic preservation commission approved a certificate of appropriateness for faenlsz work on november 18, 2015, the entire scope of work is included in your packet and the phase one will be before you at a future date i have received the letter if supervisor campos office supporting in project and have copies for the commissioners the project sponsor has more information about the delayed ever details the project
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i have end my presentation if you have any questions, please let me know. >> thank you project sponsor. >> good afternoon, commissioners i'm nourishing with the rec and park department thank you for hearing this item i want to give you a little bit of background did brothers did the geneva carbarn and the power house it is a reminder of the first light rail it owned in 1944 when taken over by muni it was damaged the loma prieta earthquake it was demolished and a group of community members came together to save it was the friends of the given power house and the rec and park department inquired the building and the stabilization building was
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completed the vision was development at as community art center it is arts training for underserved use but provides programming for all ages from toddlers to seniors and the cafeteria community meeting room and student lounge and, etc., etc. at that time no designated theatre in all of will district 11 in 2010 the building was listed on the national register also no 2010 darlene design was chosen for the building this design has received part one and two from the preservation office and the national park harvest historic tax credit in 2013 it received a categorical credit and in last fall approved as a from the historic preservation commission the roommate the carbarn for short the carbarn
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was compressed of over 25 hundred square feet for the historic places will be applied as well as the best practices and conservatism will achieve the gold status based on the final documentation the project is approximately $29 million the rec and park department in partnership with the office of economic workforce development the office of district 11 supervisor avalos and the san francisco arts commission is pursuing a two-part with the power house and the phase one is the improvement to the office building and the additional improvements not power how we believe that is more feasible and speed up the activation of the building and generate more interest the project the power house is approximately 31 hundred square feet with 35
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square foot ceilings that will be exceptionally beautiful it will have the visible professionalism arts and more likely by nonprofits arts providers additionally moving places clay's for senior like joking and others classes can be offered that the space will serve as a community meeting and rent-controlled unit for short term events and performances by other arts groups and accumulate wedding and dances and on the space will have been is a catered kitchen and bar and independent of a moveable stage the power house design was a simplified version and the vast majority of improvements will be reigned in the master plan phase one will be having hazmat
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- improved entrances and restored windows and mechanic and electrical system and a new floor with the heating given the historic nature of the building we're unable to change the envelope of the building or the power house and thus accommodate class one bilk the rec and park department has committed to allowing the employees to store their bicycles in their office spaces lastly the planning department has included it is a modification and thus has no effect on the ceqa and the carbarn has sat empty across the street from one of the busiest transportation hubs the city it is a great historic building with the flexibility and to enter jiujitsu the community the balboa station the
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restoration will serve as an anchor for the neighborhood that also states the national trust for the historic considers the use of stores for a catalyst for attracting bids the synergy between the car barn will help with the connection and help to create and successful newtown center and arts place the transportations and allow the carbarn for geographic focusing informational point for this district thank you very much any other speakers if rec and park or the project sponsor thank you. >> opening it up for public comment if there is any for this item. >> i'm speaking as a chair of the friends of the office
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building and pour, however, house that was created in 2002 we organized to save the building the 1998 and 1999 beginning of the 1999 then willie brown directed the mta to cease effort and work with us to create a neighborhood center focusing on after-school program for youth in 2004 the rec and park department made an off to the mta to take over the building the mta accepted we've been working on this since as i said 1999 not only is the given carbarn in charge of that i don't know anyone the neighborhood it isn't it is great this is actually moving
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forward thank you. >> any other speakers on this item? okay public comment is closed. >> and commissioner moore. >> thank you for a thoughtful presentation this is a fanatic idea i couldn't be happier seeing a project this is a long time to have it stand other than but nevertheless, it is there the light at the end of the tunnel i hope the zoning administrator will not stick us with the bicycle requirement but indeed rec and park is helping us deal with the bikes one question i have and that pertains to page 4 of the report and under the issues of consideration mr. woodrow under
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item towards the become of the page the third line no formula retail use is proposed the project i hope we'll find encourage to not have formula retail being a consideration for something that in a scale and i don't know what it tries to express the character the community i'm not sure this is possible but there clearly not proposed is absent disturbing to me. >> i understand i think i said in phase one a restaurant and retail proposed i think i'll let the nicole in rec and park answer about the the city proposing retail formula but this will be retail is not actually any formula retail action being promoted at the moment but i'll let nicole from
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rec and park speak to you on phase two. >> i'm sorry, i missed part of question from coughing but will the retail space we were anticipating perhaps that was a gallery for local artists are maybe some of the students working this will hopefully have a job training component could work in a june venture they are selling work as part of program at the least people will be connected to the mission of building awning i appreciate usual explaining that the small business commission and the mayor's office has an active program helping the small businesses to reach out to them first, we have a june win city
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efforts i'll notice. >> we've been in discussion with the conveyer merchant association and 09 excelsior people working for spaces for local merchants. >> move to approve with conditions. >> second. >> commissioner hillis. >> so thank you for this this is great to see is move forward and thank you to dean weaver that worked countless hours and right-hand side it is debris know that rec and park stepped up and took on this building not up their alley but did it you know for saving that it is not ideally in two phases but getting the phase off the ground is good just a question who manages it if someone want to rent it have a community meeting who is ultimately managing it.
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>> two different models we pursue both of which the rec and park department has like something we're doing with bodecker a new clubhouse and the masters tenant managers the business for community uses and sub tenants and other models are multi tenants mo' magic in hayes valley and self-help for the elderly in chinatown and so we've got organization that manage the building part of time and they cooperate with other organizations the third model we have a rec and park staff member we're not at this point providing programming it will not be a harvey milk or rec center but have a staff person there. >> thank you. >> commissioner antonini.
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>> i think this as wonderful project and yeah. i will encourage you to have when it eventually comes is that as possible allowing it to be used for rentals is going to be a source of funding that helps to continue the ongoing costs of operation of the center so he very good driven uses but good to have the opportunity to rent it out to private parties for events and things like that that will help to fund that. >> our goal to underwrite our partners ability to provide arts use for the people in the neighbors and have an tndc income to do that a great opportunity. >> more reason to do it and some kind of food service is always a good thing it is a source of funding. >> we'll have a 99 black box
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theatre sow people will have a bit before a show and stay afterwards. >> the pedestrian access is non-community right now i understand that bart's and muni are revising the area i have occasion to once take the m and a transfer to bart they stopped the m and said this is the end of the line and you walk along the sidewalk and try to get into bart that's how you transfer it might have improved. >> there's a lot of activity going on the neighborhood with the scrape encroachments and required to make our building aids assessable and working with the mayor's office on disability and interest is things we need to get done we're doing it.
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>> that's important. >> there is a motion that has been seconded to approve that with conditions on that motion. >> commissioner antonini commissioner hillis commissioner moore commissioner wu commissioner president fong so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 5 to zero. >> thank you very much. >> commissioners that places us on item 12 excuse me. oh, i'm sor sorry. >> i will close the variance hearing and grants it with the conditions. >> thank you zoning administrator. >> now we'll move on to 12 ab market street conditional use authorization and zoning administrator will consider a request. a evaporates it appears we have time to get through it >> yeah. >> yeah.
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>> commissioners i want to introduce you to another new staff member you've not met yet this is jeff horn jeff has been with the department for several months he's in the south west quadrant with 8 years environmental planning experience working with the transportation and infrastructure projects his previous work is with the county of riverside and he's worked on large project like the california high speed rail and planning projects for pg&e of alameda and berkley and san rose. >> thank you director and commissioners jeff horn planning department staff the item before you a project proposing to
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demolish a two-story commercial building to construct a mixed use building with 52 dwelling units and 2 thousand 6 hundred space along math and 14th street the ground floor frontage on market street will contain a lobby and leasing office and mail room and bike parking and incorporate an existing muni elevator the footage will include two ground floor unit and a service vehicle bay did project will widened the sidewalk and add 6 street trees for the better streetscape plan on the triangle lot within the upper market district and within the market octavia the proposed new construction has been reviewed by the preservation staff for design within did
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standard of the upper math ceqa district it requires conditional use authorization to planning code section 3037314 to the lot exploding nine hundred and 99 square feet and the next section to have and in an official bike route it requires a variance from the planning code for rear yard and one 4.1 for ground floor non-residential ceiling height with 14 feet the project is one of the lasting last walks between within the controlled and as much the project has issued the community plan and therefore you'll be adopting the ceqa finding the project sponsor has worked worked with the neighbor groups
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to insure that meets the neighbors needs and one of the primary concerns that the affordable housing remains on site and because the project will provide rental units they've entered spots costa-hawkins and a draft has been provided to staff so the materials we triumphed transmit willows end and st. francis luther republican church. >> two letters of concern from a neighboring property so the department is recommending approval because the project creates 62 residential units that makes a studio and one and two bedroom units to expand the opportunity and enhance the district it is appropriate
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development as of an in fill and underutilized property the property provides housing including 7 new affordable units on site and it will be destined to comply with the upper market residential guidelines on market street and a short element with the gown units on 14 streets with the neighborhood that fits the market street corridor is provides no off-street parking for residents and provides 62 class one and plus that is figuring out the transit first policy that concludes my presentation. i'm available to answer any questions thank you. >> okay project sponsor please.
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>> good afternoon, commissioners first i want to thank you for louse us to present was a tight schedule i appreciate your accommodating the project my name is barry from the development i'm a small local san francisco developer the last projects were pled many 2014 where i built market street a one and 50 condominium project as well as 16 market street i built a 24 unit building with 23 bmr units i'm here to present any proposed development for 2100 market street repeating look what jeff said we're proposing to build a 62 mixed use apartment building that had
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replace a 2 story space vacant since 2011 i'll give a brief he overview following my introduction i'll ask my architect to go to the design process in detail how he ended you been u up with the current proposal give you a little bit of background various restaurants are been here over the last thirty years the home restaurant closed and been vacant in june 2013 the landlords was turned down i by the planning department to lease the space which would have been been a formula retail and you conditional use authorization the owner was initially designed to lease leasing the restaurant he reached out to discuss other possibility we came to a did 9 year ground lewis lease i'll
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develop it never to a condo that was zoned 85 feet with the market octavia zoning after market octavia plan was initially approved also zoned 85 feet and pushed to lower the heights 65 feet so the current height is 65 feet and we're within that envelope a little bit of the planning history we've been working with planning for two years and submitted our initial conceptual design to the p pa to planning in 2014 we followed up with the e e application in august of 2014 and wasn't until january of 2015 that we were assigned a planner and move forward with the conditional use authorization we are complying with the inclusionary housing with 12
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percent bmr's on site we're currently working with the city attorney on the costa-hawkins all the time that allows us hocking to continue my a attorneys are here poor as jeff alluded we were going to provide 25 or 15 cars but after a series of meetings with planning and the best use of the neighborhood we decided if this transit rich corner we didn't need to provide parking but better to activate the 14th street cultivation and with ground floor stooped inspires to activate that location per the project has gone through several minor divisions which alex will go to we were to have a third party consultant because of the proposed building a potential
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contributor we are working closely with the team and very please line up on the screen side of the room pleased with the final design we feel it is a strong proposal are more conceptual with the fabric of the existing neighborhood the project present logic challenges a muni elevators on the premises and a muni escalator the tunnel in addition we've agreed we're feasible to widen the 14th street sidewalk and setback our building 7 feet from the corner that adds better pedestrian assess around the building is an actual corner with the church street as well i have presented to numerous neighborhood groups including getting the support of castro district and castro merchant and the coalition we presented twice
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to they're not currently supportive we fully supported the properties on the immediate west they wrote and letter and support the project in any historical of history it is unusual and jeff mentioned other numerous businesses have expressed support like the bangladesher shrber shop and i currently an eye soar into a vibrant corner with a. >> mixed use this building that provides permanent rental shock i'll present alex. >> i'll give you a brief design how it evolved i'll show you the
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first design to planning you know as you can see in this design it has contemporary and conceptual and shows our earth edge and show us the principles we kept celebrating the corner we wanted to market so in here last week the centering central design hug that corner that is grazing and the other part we had sort of wanted to play with the concept of the san francisco bay window and to make it a contemporary feature as all the bay windows comply that the zoning code with the bay so those are the principles that we started with after we submitted this we had some basically comments from the planning as you can see our set
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straddles over two heights of district the 65 feet and on 14th street disproves to 40 feet as you can see also the backyard that is tucked the back of the yard facing the neighbors we like i said, it up with their setback to benefit from light and air on market street we were the corner of church and 14 in that corner pushed back the building more room it on the sidewalk in this area we also got some basically comments about the look of the building mostly they wanted to us emphasis that corner i want to say we added height as you can see here and talked about market street as the civic street of san francisco we
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started is to bring those piers down to give it more of a formal look on market street and also, we took out the bay windows and placed balconies in sort of back and forth rhythm that you know with we got at the same time looked at that's we were getting commissioner campos comments from the historic preservation commission and you and that's what took us to the next design we are at things like bringing down the piers so the building is more grounded address giving it a top, middle and bottom and generally using better quality materials and the coloring that is more appropriate to the neighborhood so that's where we are right now as you can see for the top middle and bottom the glazing and also, we like how it
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actually comes forward and ties into the vertical elements we we brought back the bay windows and alternated the bay windows and the balconies the judea balcony gives people a chance to get air and not store things on the balcony and let me show you the other elevation we have 3 bay windows and two julia balconies that again comes from the rules for the design of the bay windows and as you can see how on 14th street we're sort the dropping the height of this to make that more fine-grained based on the residential quality of 14th street
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yeah - here on the ground level one of the things about the materials we had siding on the building and the structure. >> thank you, sir, your time is up. >> your time is up. >> i think the commissioners may have questions for you. >> okay times up open up for public comment we might have questions for you. >> okay we have a number of speaker cards if you want to line up on that side of the room that would be great (calling names). >> if your name has been called
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feel free to please approach the podium. >> my name is sherry king ma'am, if i could ask you to bring down the microphone. >> my name is sherry king i'm an owner of the victorian the first block of 14 i'm here to oppose anything above 4 stories in the first block of 14 there is like a little row of victorians i circled there so i'm open as a building it is allowed to go up past 4 stories i'm concerned that the victorians will be dwarfed the tone of the street will be altered the street as i understand is part of historical
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district which i would assume intend to keep the look and feel of the era intact the owners of vindica victorians are to keep this historical it would be beyond four stories not go one thing for a building on math to steady four stories but since this building is part of 14 a suddenly difference in height will not be appropriate and next to the promoted building are two small commercial buildings the laundromat and pizza place i'm imagining if this building were allowed to go above 4
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stories it will set a precedent and at some point those two commercial buildings with rise up also i just on the large building should stay an market street and not encroachment our neighbors also it sound like not parking for the residents i know it is present as a transient friendly building but no enclose the occupants don't have cars and add to the parking problems that's it thank you. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> hello commission i'll pull up any presentation on that ground tom will set up the presentation can i pass around now the - >> sure.
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>> we was hoping to find a full screen view i'm not sure it will show up i'm tom on the triangle association i've been a resident of the area on 14 between noah for 13 years i bike and walk and drive past this site dale multiple times a big supporter of developer and an architect myself i focus mostly on more than developments i work in and among
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san francisco neighborhood so i understand the challenges of working in an existing urban context and the design review i'm not convinced this educated proposal is there yet in terms of the design so i'll speak to the design and also, this is the first of many proposals the upper market area and sets a precedent for things that have groundbreaking or impressive or sets a bar for others to follow so - in the upper market design guidelines words we focused on creative, sorry that i have light incentive and high quality materials i think overseeing things could through a colleague
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of mine on the land use commission we came up with buildings that we think are good examples of the architecture around the world and why are we seeing those in our neighbors this berlin random ord of facade and the features i think starts to break down this sort massive quality i think that is graceful and interesting and it evokes emotion this is the tokyo the different size of the massing and show interests this is a corner building that is a building in italy it has four
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stories a straightforward destine by the facade treatment beaked the treatment of the order of windows and i think that is good visual interests here's a local example of the richmond apartment in hayes valley interesting roofline the arrangement of the windows and massing break down the large development this is a corner. >> sir, your time is up. >> >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> david troop where the triangle association i'll try to continue here the slide show from - >> so this was another
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flatiron building that is more visibly interesting and has more features last project was a project we spent a lot of time on and frankly disappointed on how the building once built like quite a bit different they used shading to try to make it look like there was a lot of articulation. >> sorry but the final project reads flat this is another project on market is also very vertical and didn't read very interesting. >> and we have similar architecture that is proposed in
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the inn deboss an sanchnn debo z the inn deboss an sanchnn debod you've seen how the renderings evolved i'm going to move on to retail we've been long proponents of smaller sized retail spaces that provide opportunities for local biz businesses to prosper in those spaces. >> the market octavia plan spells out the development should include a range of retail spaces some that are larger and some smaller. >> we were part of a retail study with other neighborhood
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groups which found that one of the problems and one of the reasons we have a high vacancy rate the large spaces of high rents they command so as a case study renée came on board came almost two years ago and right now only one of the 3 retail spaces is occupied the other two never occupied and the one occupied by a h ar block financial services and not a preferred sort of retail. >> thank you, sir, your time is up. >> >> next speaker. >> and dillon (calling names).
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>> peter cohen long involved the deboss triangle i don't know they explained the component 8 proximate causes that are moved over the course we were involved in every of them now they're built out a couple in construction this is a second wave this is the first of 6 projects the precedent sets in terms of second wave and we as a community learned from the first wave is important we want to impress on the details some folks say yes, it is good but details matter the issue is
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affordability you've heard 12 percent affordable is good these days people are will not argue it as low bar we found the pissing pieces of upper market hat dramatically increased with the new development and only the only tool a onsite available we've not had a project in the upper market so onsite closing arguments is good deboss triangle was part of an effort with a number of community organizations eureka valley and hayes valley and lower hate association all standing and articulating a policy position of 20 percent acknowledge onsite is what the community need how to make that happen is a project by project but we have advocated to the project sponsor and frankly zero interest in
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surfing no effort on the part of project sponsor how can that happen we realize the concentration can't force this but that is an issue for us i want to point out one aspect of this particular project flip forward now. >> that i would argue give us a handle there is 7 stories 65 envelope is typically a ground floor of 5 floors above and the market octavia had a 4 foot bum and intestinal exclusively having generous height by a variance request to squeeze in and the upper levels enough space to get a 7 floor the calculations a 20 percent increase the residential floor area that is the threshold of
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prop c that laws the city to propose a higher requirement i suggest you eliminate the floor or make that more alaws the cit propose a higher requirement i suggest you eliminate the floor or make that more laws the city propose a higher requirement i suggest you eliminate the floor or make that morlaws the city t propose a higher requirement i suggest you eliminate the floor or make that more olaws the cito propose a higher requirement i suggest you eliminate the floor or make that more wlaws the cit to propose a higher requirement i suggest you eliminate the floor or make that more propose suggest you eliminate the floor or make that more affordable. >> hi commissioners sorry about the e-mails you got but i was sending overwhelms for director rahaim and thank you director rahaim for coming to the land use committee on monday taking up his evening we presenter the design issues and especially he knows what he is talking about i want to talk about the process and my colleague handled the rest better to be safe than sorry as we expressed on monday we didn't believe they decide the issues this is peter cohen spoke about
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the first of 3 developments 21 hundred market and next on market and after that 2201 the industrial site and no one of the developers have been encouraged to talk with us seriously since the designs are getting less interesting and less affordable just to put up our model in the neighborhood 21 hundred market they've engaged and squeezed in 20 percent accountable and turned a profit it's been appointed those are the pipeline for a long time but they've been advocating for affordable housing and no longer than prop k was passed in 2014 asking for 33 percent of all new housing to be affordable and the
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center of the city and setting a model of 12 percent hoping this is not a model and as our neighborhood gets built out on market street represents the last opportunity inform create income levels we're asking for sorry i guess i went the wrong way on the last slide the best thing to do i mentioned this earlier postpone the first 6 weeks that may not be enough time to discuss and add the extra story or get rid of and get more affordable it can't be done in a walk welcome back and not done up to now the last minute planning is not good planning i ask you to postpone
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this for 6 weeks and give us time to create a building that is beautiful and neighborhood serving in terms of income and there's time we'll sit down with bryan we like him and get something that will be good for the neighborhood thank you. >> hi laura clark staff i think we have two issues and been pled and this happens often in san francisco housing number one it is pretty that's an argument i have little tolerance in 1973 better than all railing that mr. was a anyone extras extras on the horizon that is lovely i really like it on my t-shirts right now, we're in a
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housing crisis every time we spend too much energy and too much fighting we all agree on what is pretty we're waste of time there are people being evicted today, we need to create the housing for people moving here tomorrow i urge you to stop delaying overseeing projects the second argument around affordability i have a lot of tolerance i love it when we talk about affordability we need this city to be accountable and maybe chance the laws and make that a higher requirement and spend 25 percent affordable housing fine let's do that legislatively we should be forcing more people to do that onsite fine that's an argument we have citywide something we can't let projects that are lodged on top of muni station to be downsized in the
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name of supposing adding a higher percentage of affordability that reduces the number of total of homes we need to think about the total number of homes that we are creating and maybe they have shorter ceilings i'm fine with i live in a tall ceiling space i don't spend much time at the top of my ceilings we need density around transit rich on a place that has been abandoned this is perfect i thank you guys not to delay and delay and delay every time you. >> delay a project is another week a family goes without a home i urge you to be efficient in our process. >> thank you. >> good afternoon,
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commissioners my name is dillon i'm the owner of the wood house property across the street from the proposed site and a partner at the swedish-american hello hall i've been doing business in the neighborhood for nearly 10 years and for the last 5 the site has been vacant and a magnet for illicit activity and coasted in graffiti we like to see that building with some activity in that and see that soon it's been a long time i'm not an architect and can't speak to how the building looks at we want to see some something there and something soon thank you very
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much. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> afternoon commissioners i'm chase chambers the general manager of academy a medical cannabis dispensary serving 50 thousand member patient on market street we take pride in our business and prathsdz since 2011 and have contributed to the improvement of the environment at intersection church and market nevertheless, the by building combined with the large supermarket across the street another several other entry buildings created a volume it is filled with graffiti and other hazards we think this will improve the environment bryan and his development company have been an integrity and a track record of a success and
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development in san francisco which speaks for itself i think we are delighted to support this project and urge the commission to swiveling approve the building as a president of guerrero and market street across the street from the other project i understand there is a few concerns about the bottom floor rep i attended the meetings that bryan gave there was a considerable amount learned from that project they're making a very good effort to understand the needs of neighborhood northbound a retail aspect and they correct me if i am wrong but i would building this kind of made changes to the ground floor to address some of the issues i believe that there is already more excitement throughout the empowering retail in this project so i do believe
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there is a guarantee gave me thought put into in project i personally support that. >> i've seen the abandoned location glow a lot of really hard times and fires and encampment and it is a hazard we do need to do something that that as much as possible. >> as quickly as possible. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon, commissioners i'm andrea and the executive director for the castro hill upper market benefit district i'd like to echo what that woman eloquently said about design a few minutes we know that design changes from over the years and over the decades and not so long ago when that space was zoned and 85 feet i remember all the
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talk the city about the manhattantion of san francisco we were not concerned about housing but the manhattantion of san francisco and doesn't want density now everyone says we need density and housing and housing and housing it is a shame at the corner sitting over muni that was it was changed because of community pressure from community organizations and so i really urge towing you not to delay it is important that that corner has been a source of blight for many, many, many years the community benefit district and bryan spears has spent thousands of dollars remove graffiti and broken windows and boarding stuff up we have to get that building torn down and the new building built
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as quickly as possible and additionally the cv d some folks referred to bryan spears was one of the members of the retail team and the cv d in about 4 weeks will begin implementing the recommendation and to pull the brokers and property owners together at church and market to talk about decreasing the vacancy and bringing in businesses created a vision for 3 corner among the property owners that cv a will be part of that to bring in violate of vital businesses so i'm not worry it is divided into the so to speak spaces that as restaurant that we urge you to
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the cv d board and prvrnz irregular to you pass this and pass it now thank you. >> good afternoon, commissioners rob pool point housing action coalition speaking for the individual member thank you for allowing me can i please have the overhead. >> walk you through the report card so members reviewed this recently and we're very supportive of it obviously the site is completely underutilized for bad behavior it make sense they take advantage of the studios broken and two bedroom and we'll asked for parking
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units we're support in their meeting the letter of the law with 40 first antidepressant we support that obviously the city had a lot of discussions in 2011 and 2012 and now having it discussion again, it was purchased the law was 12 percent a decision that was made and we have to respect that open the developer said that he was open to exploring the inclusionary we'll be more supporter and actually conduct the affordability its an important topic that the transit oriented as you can get cars on top of the muni station is highly appropriate we will support the new bike lane he is open to that idea nothing from the could
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urban design this property will encourage active use and widens the sidewalk and the to tell you the picks up on the rhythm for environmental futures they're meeting the basic standard and do anything to help enhance those features we'll be incredibly supportive we have a good job atheism not been in agreement with everyone about is hard to do in san francisco on affordability stand point you know some people say there is precedent for a junior high school level we've seen that in 5 m and mission rock rocking about this is in upper market we
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saw it in another plays 12 percent in 2011 and envelope this project has been the work for two to three years we have to respect the law thank you. >> my name is silvia johnson you know i'm looking at your instructions that there's no table i've been looking mission street to you know do this process i've been really sick but getting better i've been feeling a whole lot better those promotions that muni agreed on we rebuilt as far
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as the law but it is included on the policies and we need to have more politicians put on the policies to insure that the context were more building construction during other you know procedures open other contracts and i think that is that the reason why smooth those projects on market street has been hadn't regret and no right-hand turn is we - garden, you know, this is a what we need on a lot of these to respect people you know do our you know
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- this is what there's a lot of fighting and stuff last week this going on and i am going through high school and college to go ahead and cbo to the university school since i've been better and i'm more you know - really moving on in a car and want that car to be processed and already to be reserveed and it would not be class here because i have you know things that have not been processed on the police
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department because they've not - he's a father additional rather have the process in close nearby and that way we get this preened and making the other procedure on the project thank you. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon, commissioners my name is victor i'm a property owner and a neighbor of the proposed project it was a tough act to follow anyway, i support the project that was proposed and regarding the affordability requirement i speak in general i think that
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changing the affordability requirement makes it tough for projects to get you know new projects to be proposed so i think you'll see that 25 percent or 20 percent is a smaller number that will be a lot less than 12 percent of a bigger number. >> commissioners victor goes on a development consultant working on the 2198 market street 6 months away from completing that project it was entitled in 2014 with d t and a-12 percent rental onsite all of a sudden a lot of talk recently recent talk about the housing crisis and always been a
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housing crisis the triangle upper market street is half rent-controlled unit and stabilized in if that regard and the other half homeowner for that regard and the first wave of development is the you were market street those are underutilized sites for abandoned homes that need a mixed use development and getting mixed use development under the plan i think that is a great endorse time it is happening with great results when the gentleman was before you i was here i was interested it was urged several times by neighbors and having been d t and a we don't want another retail formula we should tear it
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down with onsite affordable housing and that's what the owners took from that hearing and that's what their presenting i'll urge you to support the project and get on with that in our surveys current rents we see the rent stabilize there is a lot of rent control in mission bay that are flael flattening out the rents the argument of supply and demand if that matter we do a lot of work in seattle seattle's relents are dropping they've developed a much larger supply of agreement then we have thank you very much. >> i'm sorry a neighbor the neighborhood for 25 years i pass
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that corner for many, many times most of period of time it has not been an eye soar this is perfect if you can upgrade that will would be better for 50 units is great but 18 would be better you've goes to got it in the middle of town i'm fully in support the design is for the holder it is perfect. >> up in the housing the lower-income why we put the burn in the bedrooms this is a problem for all of us the city as lands why the city didn't need the new housing we have all responsible and we all should be dealing not only just for
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businesses it process would be approved as quickly as possible thank you, thank you any public comment? come on up. >> other speakers come on up as well. >> yep. >> my name is mccain wall deck it is district attorney gentleman have you i was before you in 2013 with the same group was opposing then as now the design i didn't really listen to them and realized they were the design czars of san francisco sorry they didn't look at tokyo and berlin but picked someone no california
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i was a representative i'm the representative of family that dealt with that property for the last ten years i'll tell you we tried ever possible tenants and a number of small restaurants i won't name but i'll disclosure privately dealing with bryan has been a pleasure he's an honest and humble person that is building this for his family and signed a 99 year lease and you know that he will build an excellent building and an design it is worthy of the city i'm with everybody else that the delaying tactics are ridiculous and to change the goalpost like they do the and try to change
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this goalpost is outrageous so i hope you'll approve this project >> any other speakers. >> public comment. >> okay public comment is closed. and commissioner antonini. >> i think this is a very good project carefully thought-out i appreciate the arithmetic presentation showed the development and to those who were critical of building that was like one group said it would dramatic enough and showed a lot of examples and bizarre looking buildings throughout the world and others said it didn't fit in with the victorians but it strikes a good balance the only thing i'll say in looking at the pictures i like the julie let balcony i'd like to see these a
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little bit darker you have the gray and bleak you need to eliminate maybe in a forest green or dark gray to offset a little bit and make sure those are not interpreted as floor to ceiling windows and make them look at more every solid elements or if you have the railings in at least no weird colors nice rich color would help out that's my design comment on that this is a wonderful site i remember when homes was there you can't get any more the k l m j and n they aligned the t an extension of the k have their large are win a half of block of this site certainly easy to get around those parts of city
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served by metro and not far into bart to assess other parts of bay area we passed market octavia after many years like the eastern neighborhood this was an eardrum neighborhood but a better neighborhood and established and certain level of affordability that is what the rule is and onsite makes a lot of sense and the laws are trying to squeeze more of a small development after the fact is no not a way to do business this is well done two years at the site of 124 and the units are onsite it is important and a lot of support from neighboring properties as well as mom and the castro merchant have a lot of groups in favor of that
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i like the way on 14th street the building setbacks to accommodate the lower heights i like the tridesign those buildings many of the buildings on upper market are old enough they followed the formula that was around since the 60s probably to it does fit in well with the architecture and i have no concerns about the size of the particular restaurant in there home do very well for the time it was there and a bigger place will do well it is easily assessable for people riding muni and people driving to the west side of san francisco and often stop there for dinner and it was a great place to go on the way home that makes a lot of sense and i'm supportive.
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>> director rahaim. >> i wanted to commission mention a couple of things first this is consistent with the market octavia and i think the pardon is correct zoned for 85 needed and after that a discussion of the historic survey that came after the plan and the decision to lower the height limits at this point i also want to among the land use committee we had an interesting robust discussion about design issues and i if i may kind of give you any precipitation what i said to them is i know there is a concern amongst members of the neighborhood our position we thumbs down but the challenge is two-fold one to create a building that is a contemporary
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design and i think we all agree that the department's policy for a long time has to design building of our time but at the same time this or building that are conceptual not an easy thing to do the other concerns we've had in the department when we do embrace buildings that are two-fold and very non-traditional it is very challenging to build those building in a way that comes off in a way that really works ultimately with the actual execution one thing to do that here and to look at the buildings that are a conceptual design level but challenging when the bold contemporary buildings are to get them right in terms of the materials not that it can't be done those are good examples in my opinion but that's the challenge we often
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have thought department you know david winning closing slow worked $16,000 or hours a day and understands those issues far better than me but to understand creating building contemporary but work in the context without being a building that in 10 years we'll role our eyes why did you let that happen that's the challenge as always with the projects we'll continue to work on the design after you approve that and talk about whether or not your comfortable or not but wanted to give you my prospective with the neighbors discussions i had on monday. >> commissioner vice president richards. >> to the people that were urging us to you approve the project and maybe asking why we'll display it nobody is
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disputing everyone agrees whether or not they like the building still a mixed use building we're all starting from the same place. >> speak louder. >> i guess a question for the project sponsor architect i sat through the market octavia you know for 5 years understanding that the 64 feet meant 1 feet on the ground floor and every others floor was 10 feet can you tell him from the design how you got 7 floors and 65 feet please, please. >> you know actually easily he mentioned the building is out of concrete structure so typically the number of floors that you described will have to be a wood construction by using concrete basically we're reducing did flap to 7 inches so basically
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floor to floor is close to 9 feet and the 8 by 4 ceiling that's how we psychiatries in the other level and keeping the 14 on the ground level. >> did the grade from church to the muni elevator have has to do with. >> we measured from the center that was yes, if you divide it to two, thirty inches with using accurately concrete as the structure we achieved the comfortable floor to ceiling. >> okay. thank you. >> i guess under t you and i had chufgsz and trying to get in extra floors we have two harrison and another one down 5 feet and project at 6 and clara
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i think the floor to ceiling were 8 feet of you mentions a minimum you'll feel comfortable with what is that in height and how does that project relate. >> city administrator. >> it is true the planning code didn't have a minimum requirement for floor to ceiling and nothing preventing the plan for the height granted to it to squeeze in an extra floor if it is probably the question what we're comfortable with the interpretation the policy called from the department and the design team and so personally sanchez we don't have a position on the height of floors but this may be a position that a policy or design level so the director or someone else can speak to that issue.
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>> director rahaim a health to floor ceiling pea what is that. >> i think we have typically when this issue came up the last year we typically said 8 feet to the minimum and we prefer higher but that 8 - the building code says 7 feet that's ridiculous in terms of the quality of space but 8 is the minimum my name is in my opinion. >> it is interesting when we did the market octavia plan we envisioned this happening if we used accruals one say was for the project on 6 and clara and aspire design for bill at 12 and harrison so the commission should say hey are we okay with those additional 5 feet height districts what is the criteria we'll be to approve or what
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should we tell the project sponsors that we want those to look from the design point of view mr. win slow you have a few comments. >> only if asked i've heard - to up zone the historic survey that identified an are article 10 this parcel is in upper market california likable district around transportation commercial district so given the fact the paper is the district what specific limits it has in terms of design. >> let me speak jefferson so
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the specifics are beyond my pail but director rahaim indicated you know what we're always trying to balance and achieve buildings have their time and in this site in a exceptional quality is a transit corridors on the premium street market street. >> so with the drastic angle every architect to have a shape and some kind of discretion and at the same time balance the fabric the city and the fabric of the city every or exemplified by this historic district to there is a kind of fabric that has to be respected and there's the designer that has to be spriertdz so the marriage is
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complicated the upper math and the limousine controls this project does a fair job of doing that almost a fully activated ground floor so it has balconies on the upper floors and you know substantial given the side that was a substantial two ground floor units on the street. >> i guess another question they're asking for a variance by a foot you're more maybe akin to this than me i'll probably look at the manufactures is there a difference between the ground floor. >> you know the cases you've mentioned we look at with great scrutiny the height limits was are for the
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