>> here with the equipment the room and please rise for the pledge of allegiance of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all >> commissioner president loftus i'd like to call roll commissioner president loftus commissioner vice president turman commissioner marshall commissioner dejesus is in route

commissioner hwang and commissioner melara commissioner president loftus we have quorum we have present with us police chief greg suhr and contra-costa alameda thank you sergeant good evening and welcome everybody to the final wednesday, february 17, 2016, police commission meeting sergeant, next line item. >> item one consent calendar q the police chief forceps 5 new tablets if the gorilentrepreneu sought into the richmond valued at $700. >> colleagues you have in your packet this is on this consent calendar i'm trusting you read it was wonderful this gorilirl t troops are using their money for the richmond that is used by the community groups and this troop is incredibly generous excessive

anything. >> we want to thank the troops for giving back a community room that is used by many groups the girl scouts use it the most and like to look nicer they're doing something about that and the first one is at least appears to be 20 years old that is great to see a problem and fix it thank you to the girl scout troops i will welcome a motion on this with the consent calendar and so moved. >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? that item passes. >> sergeant, next line item. >> sergeant, next line item. >> general public comment at this time, members of the public may address the commission on items of interest to the public that are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission except agenda items. with respect to agenda items, your opportunity to address the commission will be afforded when address the commission and not to the occ personnel under

police commission rules of order neither police or occ personnel or commissioners are required to responds but individual commissioners and police and occ personnel shall refrain from discusses during public comment please limit our comments to 3 minutes. >> good evening we'll start public comment. >> i see two folks up here. >> okay welcome and good evening. >> good evening my name is michael i represent government assess project i'm here about a few items first up on the screen it is a memorandum to the sunshine ordinance task force it is from the office the city attorney written earlier this month i've highlighted read is

the basis of my complaint to the sunshine ordinance task force about your january 6th agenda when a person of average intelligence and education was interested the police killing of mario woods and the aftermath be aware aware of that item on the agenda that's enough with the image please come back to me turn off the image turn that off terrific so last night at the sunshine ordinance task force i complained against this commission for the january 6th for failing to agendize mario woods was heard and the committee of the sunshine ordinance task force found the police commission in violation of open government laws regarding preparing an

advanced agenda what you've been doing up to now in terms of saying the recent activities will be discussed by the commission president and the exclusively and that's not good enough questiyou have to give u specifics from the memo from the city attorney the basis of my complainant you've not agendized the mario woods killing in the two months you've had it since the killing yes, of course, the death of mario woods this is a come up but not the same as putting the murder of mario woods on your agenda this is what i want unfortunately did sunshine ordinance task force can't tell you to do that i'm here to say to you, you need to improve how you handsome your agenda what is on the agenda and include mario woods killing on the agenda now regarding the killing of mario woods

i say to mayor ed lee you have got to get out of stepchild you've got to get out out f you bubble and hold town meetings about he killing of moses and listen to the community regarding a lot of demand for police accountability and until the mayor gets himself to town hall around the city b about police accountability the mayor needs to understand that he shouldn't enjoy - >> lost my train of thought thank you. >> thank you, sir. thank you. next speaker, please. >> good evening and welcome. >> welcome all right. i guess i'm here for the mario woods just to keep his name in

memory but asking for documents if someone will give a signed copy as received. >> you can hand that to the police commission secretary. >> the question i'm asking now is a suspect and an officer meets facing when does hand combat and other tools slash weapons come into ballet from hur hand in hand to pepper spray or baton or handcuffs or a knife or beanbag or a ak 47 this is the question i'm asking i'm looking for policy and procedures regarding those things and just for the record i'm not very

intelligent but i got questions. >> sir there is a page on the police commission website which the use of force it includes you all the draft use of force policies. >> i think i'm looking for training manuals as well so let's see. >> thank you, sir. >> next speaker >> good evening and welcome. >> good afternoevening my nam juhaun a lawyer i'm also one of the lawyers working on the blue rainbow task force investigating whether there is racial or other bias the san francisco police department i'm here on behalf of myself and my colleague we're here to express our gratitude to the police commission important it's cooperatirdination in

investigations as far i know you've been personally extremely cooperative and conduct interviews with you i'm glaratel and want to thank the commission for disclosing the documents for new materials and let the commission know we anticipate those materials will be helpful to us we endeavor to understand house the commission operates. >> what the commissioners understand about your role when we join the commission i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> thank you very much thank you for your time. >> thank you, ms. yee. >> next speaker >> good evening and welcome ms. brown. >> hello, everyone good evening my name is paulette brown i'm

here again on this thursday to bring awareness again to my son i'd like to use the overhead. >> aubrey abrakasa what was murdered august 14, 2006, to this today his case is not solved i want to let you all know this year august 14th will be 10 years 10 years. >> this year. >> that bothers me but all i know to do what i'm doing and continue and go consistent at it i can't let any sons memories and his life go down the drain like a lot of the children's lives have and the mothers are given up i'm not

that motto give up i'm pretty sure if an animal can take care of are their cuba's what can we do i have children that are living he hwas my only son not t the age it have more children and changing diapers i want closer i've not going did gotten it i bring the pictures he had a father a mother and a father that raised rhim well, hs father from nigeria we're not together because of the death of my son it separated us so he had a good family raised well, i have not qualms no regret for being a parent to my son he had both parents at home but this is what we left with this is what we're left with

this is what i'm left with. >> this is what i'm left with 10 years where you got our former mayor gavin newsom saying i know who killed her son and the da and the police after that was recorded after the examiner and said this nothing else was done about that so so this was what slap in the face nothing else put it the paper but nothing else like i said, i fight for other mothers and children but my main concern is my son my 17 year-old boy who i miss dealer like i said he had a mother and father who raised him well publicity yourselves in my shoes i know

you see three and four every thursday help me. >> thank you ms. brown for anyone watching other home any information of the aubrey abrakasa there is an anonymous tip line (415) 575-4444. >> thank you. >> 10 years. >> 10 years. >> too long. >> good evening, sir and welcome. >> good evening good evening not very often does someone tug at ones heart enough to cause me to is it correct step back.

>> you know dual outlet is a bittersweet pill to truly comprehensive the alliance den regarding dana's ruling the relations and politicians dan refused the king royal faster choosing vegetation and his involvement in killing animals seized a long time in coming in san francisco town the information long awaited by my friend a warrior a broke hearted mother paulette brown i'm not putting father a request or demand it is a command put energy and get this thing squared away someone get this information to chief suhr or sus suzy loftus and do it today.

>> it's not about it is about closer and love not race and sfpd you'll be expanded to pick up the pace. >> denzel washington talks about the cops the chosen people yes chosen to change the whoever we all need to arise together it is a beautiful place this place called the promised land 40 days away we watch the children play and shut down the animal houses and be kind to all elephant and mouse and mania population of vampires but the person in this country jooeesus

christ and cesar chavez their hasten i had a catalythiropract adjustment it is norman yee that pushed the bill to allow the people with california care to have a chiropractic and also talked about true transparency and that's why he was set up one hundred person from the get-go and a missing warrior in san are to slow down the andy lopez case i hope he's already but the case of the car in pennsylvania they found his car and things that he's been missing auto thank you, sir. >> thank you.

>> sir, i have to give people the same time so thank you. >> your time is up. >> i appreciate it isn't. >> hello. >> welcome my name is silvia johnson. and i don't care very much about the police department and upset i missed one of the police officer message they were gone and that we are sometimes you know so aware of all the killings and murders going on that - technology that is not being brought up and needs more

planni explaining on our exercises that we do everyday and we need practice for our act where we're not aware of systems that powers that i've been round and sparing that is not very good. >> because i have been trying to maintain all the paperwork it's been sleepimy friends have been sleeping over and those things we need to be you know explained to where we practice and be aware have to take away the evils and we have all righreadyg

towards to talk away that this is goes to cost money but i'm going to make sure it will not happen anywhere to we'll be more aware of what the parents of how we get the things to stop before it happens i think that as me being ill it's 0 not been very you know much aware of which i'm trying to get everything straight and that category comes up having a tumor and especially it eats the brains and so i think that we

have things that we're not being aware of that is causing a lot of things to happen before we look at the exercise off those things catch it before it hemispheres i have very much experience when i was 14-year-old i first announced on the radio that i curd cancer. >> thank you. next speaker. >> good evening, sir and welcome. >> hello. >> can i give you those mime michael adams thank you for your time and for everything you do. try to help this community last week chief i think you mentioned that shields were not

included in the usd's policy i think there is some dispute about that i'd like to- show you this article from law and order magazine i don't know if it is a legitimate news but it descriptions ablastemic shields as offense weapons i'll encourage you to encourage and include any and all devices the use of force ask our jail staff why they take springs and keys what about used as a defensive weapon you broadened the use of those in training h h those are standard targets what do you knnotice about them in campaign common their mostly all black not hard to understand the

ski psychiatristal and things black translate to the street if you do a google eventual you'll find a few that are not black caucus b caucasian but a long tilook at hostile face the sense of threat associated with the white the black images are generally passive stable second thing is so think about this i wouldn't casuccessor tho if you're the military the reds and this people as they trained toward black the use of tarz policy has an

interesting piece that suggests that avoid shooting in the face the chest area that policy didn't apply to cabins it is very interesting that an officer gun can be allowed to shoot anywhere by the tarz is limited to not the face and other places so i will want you to about that and maybe take all the cabins and give people tarz and only the guns of sound-proofed interpreters or on call individual there are many models for conflict resolution the packet not just binary many choices that person has to deal with conflict and the laced thing please reward officers that don't kill people >> thank you, sir.

>> thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> good evening and welcome. >> the first time i've spoken i'm a little bit nervous i appreciate all you do i've worked with for the police department before i know how hard it is thank you for being here and license numbers listening to all of us i want to bring your attendance to judge canceling i can't and helping when the supreme court against bill clinton and also a very serious and true i'd like to you

to look at david schoed.org da vi d, s h u ter e r.com and talk about the information about judge canceling i can't and very tired of the countertop active system join us for the 2 it full moon and western oak bart we'll meet there and make some changes thank you >> thank you. >> next speaker >> okay there's none public comment is closed. sergeant, next line item. >> be item 3 reports and announcements 3 a chief report this 0 is to

allow the improve chief will give you give an bankruptcy limited will you explain and reo of the department structure and presentation regarding the academy training regarding the usd's and earthquake safety and emergency response and easter bond. >> good evening chief and director joyce hicks and public i'll try to be brief we have presentations quick update we did suffer a double homicide over the weekend on twin peaks early hours of sunday morning and investoigatos had the benefit of very good leads and good partnership are the richmond police department we made an arrest warrant the individual was charged we believe responsible for the two

homicides to very, very sad event but great regional cooperation police work and good work ambassador i sdwoodistrict attorney's office so that person is not at large as far as milestone my comments last week the department has been working with stakeholder to update the policies and procedures. >> limited english proficiency are coordinated with our jamie and marion from the back destructible in helping us k340e7d from representative from the occ and the assault and do know ding /* domestic violence advocates and the commission commissioner melara one 3 department blunder the department is lack of foundation

assess serves attire limited english one department of translation and documents to have reports in booking statement documents as evidenced and third the language services information that is basically a pocket guide and i'm sorry that's the card and the quick reference guide for language solutions we have a very robust language online services the city and two department blood sugar levels are issued one we spoke to the department blunder and training video an online survey with regard to the access it was issued today enable that all officers have to sign initially receipt all members shoring and non-shoring will take the survey the video was produced to remind members of the requirements but most importantly of their obligations

under general 5.20 establishes the language consistent with state, federal and local mandate the second blood sugar levullet capture how many english individuals are getting assistance that we spoke of last year hthat will happen and breakdown by the witness and stunt and do realtime uploaded immediately that's the update on the lapd and the news with regards. >> can i stop you are you moving on past lapd i want to sass say for everyone we're not open this has been a big focus i've been here since 70s working

on the language and making sure that folks with limit english-cy that police will help work 6 them and this video was after the result of investigations that were done i believe at occ that led to a recognition that if there are language barriers sometim sometimes, it is hard for the officer to know who is the victim of domestic violence and the victims world-class inadvertently arrested that causes concerns if so important that after the controversy dies do you thing this is the moment we have to say the process we have worked we identified something to do better and constituted it and the fact that the department will do this with the advocates is how you change culture and recognize the department really needs the

training to be able to serve people that have an english proficiency so i want to under score it feels like the solutions smoking gun sometimes this is a loopholeer. >> i want to acknowledge the secretary she's been instrumental in pulling all the groups together atogether and helped us stay the course. >> it is cool thank you, sergeant killing shaw. >> next, we as we looking at and move forward with the doj review initiate one of the things that's been common the other recommendations that there is a dedicated command level person assigned to the review that person has an organizational structure that meets in this case a hymn took place over the weekend is where

he we have a bureau of professional standards and promise policing the deputy chief is deputy chief tony chaplain bring up the explosive chief and chief chaplain the direct liaison and on this commission for the policies and responsible for seeing to it all the recommendations are followed through an and also already the designee that works with bassett on the same issues and also thibe the liaison to the commission honon policies and the use of force policy that are be presented and oversee our work on the 21st century police and task force president obama and obviously written directive we've can modify change quickly and

effectively and efficiently the chief will have written directives under him as well as the behavorial science unit the cit is a critical piece to this as well as the blue encourage and have hostage negotiation they're sort of the most advanced of those people that duo do crisis intervention and intermediate levels of advanced cit similar to the specialist team those groups that are foster into the hostage negotiation and our youth engagement unit the priority of this administration over the last 5 years of engaging the young people are opportunity from p d candidates to summon

and across the country and on and on and on to try to attack the violent crime the city versus trying to get out of situations not the kind of fruit the engagement has with that, i'll offer the deputy chief the floor for a moment. >> i'll be brief good evening, commissioners this is a surprise i look forward to the challenge presented and moss most you have you i look forward to work the new capacity and important work that will be done and needs to be done a great change for the city and county of san francisco and i look forward to being part that have change. >> chief thank you thank you, chief you can stay there don't run away i'm happy to see you this chief what i

think you heard you saying i surveyed others cloufb review recommendations probably out of league of women and philadelphia and took a recommendation that appears to be consistent if there should be small business and change the organizational structure; is that right? >> yes. we made notehe initial meeting with the advanced meeting with the doj and they were very, very welcoming of the fact we'll have that level position and one with an organization structure blow it. >> when was the last time a new zero was added. >> you'll have to go immediately after 9-1-1 when the security is damaged. >> it was a significant statement like the things are we're talking about are issues to address somehow the culture a structural change a critical

aspect deputy chief share b a little bit give you a little bit of background and that would be helpful to share a little bit about your career the sfpd. >> i stated my 27 year in june and worked exclusive the african-american community by choice the chief kept me in choice positions i spent years are years the gang task force and the attorney villa huge wave the violence started a j.d. program we did the closing statement enforcement but worked with young men and women and tried to transition them out of gang violence and had successes and failures we worked with a lot of the community-based organizations and c joe marshall we worked

wifor the mega sad it is no longer in existence i met a lot of people during that course that i stay in contact with but paramount the career was in gang task we learned about the violence playing the city and the focus of this new position will take many he a chief i know we served on the criminal justice system task force share about the roll in that group. >> absolutely i'm doing the data collection portion so far on the santa fe police department and oakland and others pleasolice departments a looking at they're doing in regards to database but santa fe has a big be law enforcement agency and admittedly a little bit of arm twisting but they are by far the lead in the bay area

with regards to the data collection and right now working in sfmta astanford and doing soe go incredible work and like us to do that that will require a partnership with an outside entity we're doing good but the analysis public schowill be whe is done. >> i see what you see oakland perhaps we can incorporate here and i sat down with oakland assistant chief dr. paul figure right now he picked a specific officers that officer he started the activities then went to race then to his car stops and how many people of african-american

ancestry were zip code by that officer and if they're out of whack with the same officers the same area but also do that with pedestrian stops for the same officers all the officer activity pull that up in his demograph desktop at many given time. >> chief we appreciate our leadership chief suhr a tremendous amount of work both occ in partnership with the doj so it is i'm very happy to see you very happy you're in the roll and thank you for your continued leadership. >> dr. martin. >> can't call him 101. >> i'm sorry, i know laura i know i don't get a twist our arm or doing the mission impossible i'm

glad you couldn't have given this to a better person and i know you're going to do a good job we need the leadership and move forward with this so you know me whatever you want me to do i'll do it so thanks man. >> thank you, commissioner. >> thank you commissioner mazzucco. >> deputy chief chaplain allison park proud of you it's been a long time since i watched you work as a prosecutor and were able to solve but explain to people what we were doing and why and the prosecution and you were an ambassador then and you had a future and proud to say i worked back then as a prosecutor and perhaps help us with the faith and confidence in you. >> commissioner president fong

commissioner wong did i hear you said the cit is under this commission i was supportive of the cit i've heard from the cit community members we need constant enrollment from the police department does the command to make sure that is reinforced how you'll continue the television station of charging the cit as a high priority for all the officers aha a merging earlier today about that i think that chief is he left things out he command the homicide division and maybe and to that end became the commander of all the all the investigations and did an unbelievable job whatever he's been asked to do that. >> that's an incredible

selection to one of the things in washington, d.c. i learned you may have known that the changes we're looking and how sort of how different that had been whone of the recommendatio across the country has said you've got to pick officers with the craigslist and the ear of people on the street and gang task force you understand fundamentally how tough the job and your leadership is going to be very important and setting the path forward for officers this not something that is being imposed on them from an outside place but a lot of good reasons something in it a better way that services the community and the officers just an incredible choice and look forward to seeing you more on wednesday night (laughter). >> i do too.

>> i do, too commissioners (laughter). >> thank you anything further for the deputy chief. >> no next i'd like to ask staff to come up and do a presentation on some of the reengineering of the use of force that is underway and other things proposed. >> captain yee welcome you were in washington, d.c. for this conversation about use of force i want to go thank you commissioner wong that saw your presentation before the board of supervisors and thought that was very helpful and that this commission also will benefit from understanding the ways and the direction and the immediate steps taken so thank you champi captain. >> thank you. good evening commissioners and chief suhr i'm greg yee count san francisco police department within the training division we have the

basic recruit academy continuing training for professional and veterans officers and field training anyways together the ucsf and training review sorry i went low tech. >> the paper. >> the first slide as the chief suhr the department can be the training committee and it will be responsible for reviewing the current training practices and the ucsf and force options the commission open best practices within the region within the nation being look at it and we're constantly making change to policies and procedures to improve this committee will revenge in october of 2015 when we're reengineering this was october we started to look at the

reengineering and use of force within the train within little san francisco police department. >> since that time we've made significant changes the first change was our pistol qualifications where we added an entire day of training for qualifications when officers are on the lion they wihave to hear the word threat to fire at their target not an automatic they automatically fire hear the word treat tea not all target have to turn at the same time, they have to see and hear a threat before they discharge their firearm we're improving the range we're adrc a new toornth system that actually has a three hundred and 60 degree take into account system you can put two targets one at any rate on one side and

non-threat on the other side and depending on the sequence those each office may have a different situation commissioner president loftus you'll have the threat and commission all are the no non-threat and visualize. >> i'd like to comment with only speaker early said our targets are great. >> you read my mind. >> our the fact of the matter a target are great. >> no fast, no fast, no eyes silhouette their rubber kickoff rubber sill wetsuit their blue that signify not non-target. >> your take the opportunity the giant as opposed to be a person it is rubber with blue. >> the cards are blue. >> got it.

>> so also your foyer qualifications the officers fire no more than two shots within each of the shots there is an assessment period where officers assess the situation. >> back up on page with the fire. >> the stages of fire where officers shot from various distances from 3 from the 4 foot to 25 yards and a stage is at one of those distance lines were there can, two shots from the strong hand or two shots from your i'm sorry i'm right-handed so two shots from the weak and two shots from the strong hand or officers are asked to step to the right and assess and a left

so there are also other stages of fire where officers use barriers in between them and the threat cover for distances, so not just standing at one line firing different shots but different stages of different distances with different movements and different really different thinking situation captain hoping that you could talk about what that i think that is a core of the shift to create like the national decision making assess repositioned and reassess if you could i think - to you it might be very plan about how changing these this creates that opportunity but speak to that. >> the decision making a how this creates rethinking and

reassessing the threats as opposed to firing multiple round 2, 3, 4 former mayor willie brown we last weearned about th decision making model it is someo something that officers do but not explain what they did i put on the it's called the overhead there is a picture of the model where officers are asked to collect information what kind of situation are they going to assess the information and assess the threat level of the situation a person with a knife or gun a person in crisis is that a domestic violence all that information is taken in by the officer the officer assess that information and once they their on the line they have to decide policy you know is this threat is that a shoot or a not shoot decision to make

knowing their responsiby're res firing orders and responsible for every round needs to be accountable for ever shot and be able to explain and articulate what we did what they did a policy consideration i mean this sounds like a lot - but it can happen this thinking this quickly thinking can go fast like riding a beautificycle our but as you get experience with the training and situations the thinking and the process can go a little bit faster the other point is the options wheat are the opens options if so a no threat where are my portion who is the response to the threat that faces me from the person is standing there is the target

there with nothing on it but verbal communications as opposed to from the target turned around with a firearm then what is my proportion it will be a high-level and then after you assess the situation you always reassess after you fire the shot to reaccess is the threat still there. >> no, no i was going to do say someone mengdz in public comment how the continual force how officers have been trained you go up the chain and verbal and can be pepper stray and baton and then up to the gun and part of the vision that set out from the report is this idea of when you were reassessing those various moments not ramping up if you're able to take a motel

moment amoment. >> can you it cspeak to that. >> the intentional force it goes forward or up we're stressing every situation is different and ever situation is fluid you could go up the use of force or down depending on the situation what information or what threats or non-threat is facing you so that's part of assessment process if a person puts the knife down you'll lower our response where you'll go to verbal communication that is stressed at ever level verbal communication and with the subject is key and captain our training to you know it's your presentation but train to the current doj so with

the the president and stakeholders you're looking at the language is quite different it goes to the code of ethic and sanctity of life it would be great to cover how the aspect of the policies is in there go ahead. >> thank you. >> and, speak to the sanctity of life now. >> so given the is an activsa life all life matters in our current statements of values you know life is one of the values it is something we need to remind officers and reinforce and bring it forward to see that or is that ever life matters in situations the public is asking for your help 9 police department is there to help and the last thing we want to hear is i asked to help any son or daughter but instead, you killed

them so the sanity of life is that all life matters and given the opportunities for officers to respond in active situations if given the opportunity we're stressing that 9 time to cover before in communications so really deslaescalate the situats given the opportunity to do so. >> a so as of february 8th some officers are required to take 8 hours of practical train at the range and the classroom destructi instruction we tubed weapon scenarios and put the officers through the as far as they are concerned, at police range we've not going downey done that with proportionality the officers are to qualified with their firing range weapon if they're

certified the pistol qualification two hours of classroom instruction community-based organization into responding people of crisis the sanity of life and the options and shooting other moving vehicles and ucsf and again time distance cover and slowing down incident if given the opportunity to slow down it is a time we get to receiview orders are office ars and have that discussion if they need clarity or questions about poli policies and procedures. >> but the position to the range training we're looking at the procedural justice and legacy courses in january of this year we sent core members to do oakland police department to take the course an 8 house

post sound proof course at the end of this month in march sending those to the trainer component they can come back and back to the police department and train with trainers and train the department in procedural justice since argumentative 2015 all recruits the san francisco academy got cit training and sending 4 additional officer to simulator training post sound-proofed to operate those and those officers to santa fe in april the four officers it is important it provides the officers with those scenarios their shoot don't shoot scenarios and the structuinstrun change the snare by a switch by

shoot and don't shoot and make every scenario different and ask the officer why they did what they did it is a critical thinking force machine that is i am peripher imperative the we have a course where officers shoot don't shot situation by sidewalks or around barricades and stuff based on the course we added a deesclation to that course the deesclation basically the person with a knife the room the gun control toe goal for the recruit officer to deescalate the situation and back out of the situation contained the set of the the feedback from the recruit officers said that was

part of most challenging scenario interceptor not expecting that only shoot shoot shoot we switched but it was challenging and they found out they didn't realize one officer didn't realize sthey could back out that was a good very good training exercise we continue to do and with woork with cit to h develop some of those scenarios so we just don't create overseeing scenarios in a vacuum at the academy and there is a line the new department jeopardy orders before you that speaks to the fact that it actually states it is if you decide is back out and not death and injuengage. >> that's the actual code. >> i'm sorry commission auto how many

probation officer monpeople hav taken this and with the scenarios with the deesclation started in october so you had 3 classes; right? >> how many. >> about 40 so one and 20 recruits went through that. >> but for the new force option every officer will get it at least once this year and a certainly amount of officers get it twice and going forward everyone gets it twice a year. >> that is up this idea as far as an american phenomena not just to san francisco there are opportunity to back up you can back away and we're calling a tack ly reproportionately they call it in other country's it is retreat apple issue of officers feeling like the public miter think i'm a punk but the idea the training gives them that

opportunity. >> it is important as as you may know the policy on the officers are not allowed to used ucsf this arrested happening they rush to a scene and do the assessment and back off and stand adopt this is asking them to do this if at all possible and from the perch of they've already have an edged weapon it might not a dogger bdanger but not an active danger to compemp the same tactic. >> the police academy in their present a 3 today course over and over decultivation skill 23 members are attend and tomorrow is the last day and the peace institute is amazing.

>> this was through jan we took up, up, up 0 the over. >> 0 as far the february is great it is look at touchy fe feelly thai like it and always something to learn as that is about the exorcises of cit and conflict resolution and engaging the police department. >> did you say 23 how did you select them. >> i didn't select them. >> good answer (laughter). >> so we wanted to get a cross section from all departments i believe lieutenant jack heart and others collaborated open that. >> long with deputy chief makayla. >> you know i'm not familiar with the piece can you talk about when you say it is touchy

fe feelly. >> actually a friend of mine that i had known from the puc her partner is a member of the jams so a colleague of hers when we were moving into the last year had a lot of conversation about the cit and deesclation had it's name a close to mine but done the training at lapd those 23 officers will be capable after this classed to train the rest of the police department the same model. >> what is touchy feelly about it. >> the officers go through the same training. >> part of it it talks about feelings and getting to know each. >> touchy feelly that way i thought you meant touching. >> part of it getting to know

the other person to find a common interest have the confidence once you build the ripper and have someone in common you'll work towards - >> i got it thank you. >> whether i think the power is with all the officers skills one of the best skills are the verbal skills and does an analysis we're seeing our common core we don't train enough people and being a good effective communicator but people in the department that the department values the ability to communicate verbal you'll back up it with training. >> and many of the officers are sergeants and seasoned veterans that are represented known within their commands so as they differ the train this is

credibility the presentation who they are. >> exactly. >> you know there is address to the fair and i am partial training depended on science and bias research on the bias so the power of the police department reached out to us they're putting on the trainer to trainer for impartial policing we'll be sending members to that the value we send officer to santa fe we send them inform palo alto and oakland and selectively decide what fates san francisco's needs. >> the palo alto police department is in this training. >> yes. the palo alto police department. >> so as far as professional development in june of

relationship a2015 we hosted th blue encourage it remind the officers their purposes why they became police officers to help someone and take care of yourselves to help others and inclusive leadership young sergeant and lieutenant to help 7 habits with stephen very difficult if you haven't read it we're doing another blue encourage the 18 and 19 of this month and every recruit class they get 4 hours of blue encourage to remind them why they became police officers. >> i wish we were doing it on the weekend. >> that's a busy i'd like to see it on the we understand

weekend. >> commissioners. >> i'm trying to work it into my schedule i contacted the captain i believe we can attend part of it i'll try. >> i think the - the thing of note for blue encourage and the idea is one of the things that does mitigate bias the notation what you started for and why it matters and what you care about there is another strategy to do that and that's really very powerful and that's lieutenant hart has been working on this this is i take another thing th. >> and i see that executive officer direction committee policy committee that was compound and the committee was responsible for research and review and discussing proposing the changes to the departmental policies for the usgf options

and chief suhr and this policy committee developed the policies that were submitted to you last week. >> almost there. >> we did have an opportunity to send robert co-bell to visit the scott irrational pleaolice. >> he was already there we didn't send him, i was on vocation in london and offered to go we extend his trip we already there. >> i'm i want to put that out there. >> he needed our backing to get to the door but able to review the policy and the train that police scotland provides their officer it is really a different philanthroosophy the k but the tactics and the

communications and a huge training requirement the way they train on deesclation they don't have firearms 2 percent of their police department do but their forced the situation they have to deescalate okay. >> 6 percent. >> two more slides. >> just a quick comparison of the based on the study of the e reengineering use of force so we put our san francisco police department side by side and mostly all the categories identified by pursue the san francisco police department exceeds the numbers of hours of training for the recruit officers you may note that e.c. w is tasers that's my rapid zero but efshlth we steady the national average. >> and lastly our percentage

wise based upon the perk study for officers we see every other year you know we steady we excel in some areas and other areas we need to increase the baton they'll actually, their zeros those components are the baton train as the pepper spray are incorporated with the defensive tactics the 10 percent and the ucsf scenarios where the officers get the poll to use the tools based on the situation presented to them and that's it. >> sxherlg. >> i'm occurs about the concept that i've been thinking about asking a question the whole concept of sanctity of life my only training i could

not comprehensible lists but teaching human rights people understand the right we have at ever aspect of our existence but sanctity of life how to teach someone and insure vethey have grasped that concept. >> again, i think that the constant threat assessment that the object has stop the threat not to topping take it up the turn away that mutually turning farthest there is so many things the constant reminder throughout the training and policies the statement that the priority is the sanctity of life so i think that this is something they don't a lot in urge united kil

in washington, d.c. they added that more into the critical decision making model the same thing those 4 things in the critical decision making model the root of that at the beginning the captain accurately described we were awkward negative impact continuing to pass through it is seemed it was laborious the way it was explained your fluid the whole time constantly it the repetition and over and over and constantly playing the core values and the sanctity of life proportionality and going around and through every single thing you're doing passing measured according to the core of that decision making model. >> okay. thank you i get a.

>> a work in process but commissioner dejesus question one of the reasons people speak to the culture is when we have done firearm training twice a year the same thing and becomes muscle memory we' be chang this muscle memory over and over and over and over again until nobody remembers what used to be. >> okay and commissioner wong i have a related question had a abo there been a philosophical shift. >> i cshift like the task force shift our police officers inform a guardian model their protectors the community a paper written by sue of the washington state that talks about changing the academy it is more studiuit that be a protector of the community and sort of the

tactical and the things you've actually done in shoot don't shoot a philosophical change in the academy >> it's changed it going back to purchase why we're here and what the warriors and the guardian you need both it is like a path to the- depending on the situation we want the officers to learn the nuances and learn they have choices to make critical decisions on how much warrior is needed now as opposed to as guardian monthly guardian to protect those unable to protect themselves to emphasize in the courses and reemphasis it in every aspect of planning e training whether driving or physical sense of tactics or law or ethics have we

shifted we really rahave not bu emphasis the guardian visas the warrior but a need for both it is dynamic i think that the root of blue encourage is not fact so blue encourage is ongoing and speaks to the code i don't have it off the top of my head its been a long time coming it's on the tip of my tongue but the officers recruit going introduce blue encourage for 4 hours and certainly the conversation we'll have about the sanctity of life will be the communication work in process. >> thank you. i think you imaginatio mentioned there have a was ha shift in the take cancel decision making and for the officers having their gun drawn

ask a question before drawing their own weep or what is the threats or something along the lines and that's part of the cit training questions as opposed to if you the officer arrives at a scene and sees it we were with a sxhaf drop the other knife drop the knife but the cit training understanding mayor philip levine millionaires /* mentally ill why do you have those the little green people are coming out and i'm protecting myself that's part of the cit training we try to emphasize not about you about but that person is feeling you'll not know that unless you ask the questions. >> one of the interesting things in the skoolts if you pull the fine. >> someone 3 times to drop the

knife drop the achieve you have to think of something else. >> yes. jd. >> thank you, captain we will continue to monitor the process and have you come back and let us know because as we're you know assuming our roles and policymakers it is clear the direction at the academy is your moving and that i have east you're not waiting for us to finalize the piper we'll have you back. >> all right. thank you. >> i'm going to suspend item 3 a temporarily in order to return to this item we'll go to item 5 i'll invite supervisor cowen welcome supervisor cowen. >> colleagues item 5

discussion and possible action inform adopt the resolution in support of xhoelgz promoted indicator an amendment to increase the office of citizens complaints to investigate the officer-involved shooting question. >> we were briefed by director hicks last week on the cheater amendment that has been offered by supervisor cowen and i put this on the agenda this week for us to discuss whether this commission and body want to weigh in on an important reform right of charter and give the occ additional authority to investigate all officer-involved shooting s so i'll innovative supervisor cowen to share. >> thank you. >> this information with us and let us know more. >> good evening i speak in the fafternoon so its the evening it is quote in here looking for more action tonight. >> (laughter).

thank you. we like it >> you like it like that. >> it's been - and the police commission has a tough job as it to any colleagues on the board of supervisors we have a tough job and a serious responsibility and this particular time so today i've come before you to ask for your blessing in a measure i am proposing to bring before voters in june it is a simple and clean measure very straightforward it is requires the officers excuse me. the oh, my god office of citizens complaints to have an independent investigation any time a 0 police officer fires his firearm you guys know what triggers an occ investigation and this is another the request

not a request made in person but what happens is that those officer investigates are only performed with the request is made so as a result there are several officer-involved shootings that go without an investigation so what i'd like to do have an opportunity to educate them about the work with the department and again to open up the dialogue around the discussion on many of the items if you've been discussing here today and in a heightened awareness and also the sense of responsibility we shoulder where we're commissioners or elected officials are not i imagine you guys well-versed on the measure it is the large project authorization is also in line with the recommendation president obama police officer

task force and under the blogging agrees i'm exist this will come back to the rules committee next thursday on the rules committee it about come to the board of supervisors we go listen and vote on it twice and after that, i hope an unanimous off and running and take it to voter and it becomes a campaign issue i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> i'll be honored to have your support. >> thank you commissioner wong. >> thank you to supervisor cohen for bringing this important irk or issue to us i guessed my concern we discussed the controller's office set an acceptable timeline for resolving the complainants and with the staffing at the occ they're having a problem right around that deadline so i'm concerned with adding an additional function to the occ without providing additional

support in that the budget what i was joking saying to the press we need to quadruple the occ budget 90 minutes an officer accused of swung wanting to clear his or her name and a citizen making a complaint having the budget so we can take on the job and cut down on the 9 to 10 months that folks have to wait and as you may know when you're bringing things to the ballot aesthetmany moving parts the conversation with director hicks and continue to move forward that is wohy the measur is important it allows us to have the conversation with other members of the board will not i

have unanimous support on the board how that translates into mower dollars i don't want to put the cart before the hours but making additional requests. >> it is our job to advocate for the department and the occ i told director hicks that is absolutely essential to the healthful department and the housekeeping has their budget fully fund and following best practices around the investigation you're doing our job as a commission you i want to say that one of the items i'll say attending the officer-involved shooting town hall that involves the otherwise, i always make that the three the occ will conduct an extinct investigation in this a complainant is filed that's at antiquated reminder that frankly

didn't suit the time an absolute desire and need for an except investigation i'll let you know you attend but an assumption on behalf of the public this happens i'll offer this is an important situation to fight for the resources for occ then while bring that back to mr. rosen in he her chair. >> i want to comment that director hicks is successful coming to the supervisor board and i think last year, we did very well and continue to work to champion an increase the particular budget and the other thing i don't want money to be the reason not to have the dialogue it is important we have this conversation. >> thank you supervisor. >> commissioner dejesus. >> i want to thank you for your leadership this is very difficult all aspects of that life matters and the obeses a

officer-involved shootings we tell the public that very angry and upset they will the eject will investigate if someone brings the complaint what but the occ will investigate and months later their surprised no action the occ does a great job i believe they go out for you will officer-involved shootings and start the investigation and where it end up i want to commend you i agree we need to move forward given the temperature of the city we moved quick quickly. >> there's a point i wanted to bring as you may know from attending the town hall meeting you get a ray evolution i agree the folks the community it is

had a rig hard to receive information they want to share how they're feeling but in 2014 only 25 percent of the officer-involved shooting s that are investigated and again. >> by the eject. >> excuse me. you're right investigated by the eject so that's why i'm bringing the measure forward. >> i want to finish that thought when we're there we know the department will investigate and the district attorney and everyone assumes the occ will investigate they're the most - i know that they're as you said that is necessary this is great the time is great i know that the occ gets a percentage of the departments budget so they're at least something about that percentage in there anywhere. >> well make sure a percentage we know the departments budget is going and it makes sense when w it comes time they'll have the

responsibility. >> i'll you sure to copy and paste those remarks and send them to the budget committee. >> commissioner vice president turman. >> i think that director joyce hicks. >> i don't want to preempt gell go ahead respond to the percentage the occ will get a percentage the departments budget a provision in the city chapter that is a the occ will receive one investigator for every one and 50 police officers. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. >> commissioner vice president turman. >> yes. i just want to commend mr. rosen as well for bringing this important issue up i will say that even though in the office of citizens complaints we investigate 25 percent i even in -

>> correct. >> i'll tell you at the beginning of ovever officer-involved shooting they respond to every single one always on site because of the process begins in which they have to pick up an investigation your proposing a natural continuation of efforts again from the beginning as it responsive as you've been on the issue i want to that the eject he commend you for all the officer-involved shootings it is a natural thing the public expects the eject will you're right money should not be the reason we do this we'll be asking for (laughter). >> try to take up a collection. >> commissioner marshall. >> i wanted to say like everyone good job no seriously

this is i use this anything eal you're in a person crisis the last thing to shut the noise out from the ipad and igniguide you through it and coming up with ways to get you there to me a community crisis and understandingly maybe we've had all the noise what we need more me to people to come up with things to died guides us through the other side and the chief is proposing will get us there we want to get introduce the crisis on the other side so thank you very much. >> commissioners you flatter me i appreciate the in his accolades i don't get a lot of compliments but complaints this measure we've put in also come from a body that is grounded from the community and license and developing some sound

strategy they're responding and the way i see it a compliment to what the mayor and chief has done and this body with making changes to the general orders to maya angel making yourselves available it is a difficult time in terms of transition but i believe that something positive will come out of that the end. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> director hicks. >> yes. commissioner president loftus and members of the board i'd like to thank supervisor cowen for her vision for the office of citizens complaints for so long with the police commission and vision for the officer and the support of occ budget and so we can do the work we're mandated to do by the chapter and in recognizing that, yes the eject roles out to officer-involved shootings and

there is an exception from the community that we are going to immediately begin our investigation and while the chief and the commission indicates this is the complaint is received the occ will investigate that is not what the community hears it is very, very r ra raw and emotional 3450eg and we'll conduct on investigation and in the review that i did of the officer-involved shootings the last 4 years 35 recorded at the sfpd officer-involved shooting s yet the office of citizens complaints received 8 complaints in the 35 this is would increase the occ workload i'm goi i'm sure that will be addressed that as very important step for the office of citizens complaints i thank you. >> thank you. >> well, i'm ready to call the

question laura well, first we must take public comment so thank you supervisor cowen and i will innovative a motion regarding that resolution. >> good evening. >> hello mistake again government. >> public comment on item number 5 just to be clear. >> you know you guys were found guilty yesterday excuse me. in violation of the sunshine act tonight, you changed the agenda in the middle of the meeting to accommodate supervisor cowen you should have changed the agenda at the beginning of the meeting you've got to get it together on setting our agendas better you're doing a disservice to the public this is showing up and watching now on the merit - matter you're talking about a policy resolution where is it it was not posted on the website can we

have a copy a written copy of this resolution it is available? >> i think so. >> well, that was not posted on the website not on this table it is really a problem with this commission not putting things in writing you may take a vote now on a resolution that none of us have seen if you're going to show it to us now it is really another disservice you're doing to the public if you do pass this resolution and supervisor cowen get with the what she wants sounds good more investigation but i'm not hearing since she made her introduction i haven't seen anything that says the names of the officers will be releases are we talking about more investigations conducted behind closed ignores

the certificate of appropriateness get protection and their names are confidential are the names the cops be revealed details on the information that was shared with the eject occ those questions have not been you've laughed with chairperson johnssuperviso the facts you've not presented us with the resolution and not addressed those important matters will the names of the officers be disclosed and exactly what kind of information will you share with the public when the investigation is over will the files be transparent or held in confidence you've got to address those questions and i really am thinking you've got to put off the vote until the public has ample time to look at the

written resolution thank you. >> next speaker. >> or any is there any additional public comment? >> >> i have concerns as well i know how the court if the court sacase they don't ask me they ask me where the money our fee waiver and copies or weather whether where's the money at and basically consider what type of investigation you do if there's no money you know what you going to do put chisel everything you don't have money for pencil and paper not enough money for an investigator to come out or enough investigators older computer equipment is just like you adding an extra burden on an

overly tacked system where's the money where's the money he doovl feel that when people work on prevention many times they'll take extra time to make sure that legislation is right it is correct it makes a strange parallel with the others watchdog organizations in san francisco they decapitate them but not providing the money i know that go ahead with the motion but you need another document for the money and it needs to be hard-wired into the occ or the budget i mean, we need it it to be hard-wired i mean it is not good enough and not ready they need the proper resources to do their

j job. >> thank you. >> is there any additional public comment? >> on item number 4? >> hearings item 5 is closed so commissioner mazzucco did you have a question. >> no for the record this is to voice our support but for the pga the will resolution the occ is simple on the record the occ does do an investigation in every officer-involved shooting there is not ambiguous there is just to be clear the occ responds to every officer-involved shootings do they continue with the investigation unless there is complaints this is the confidence of public do they continue an investigation of ever officer-involved shooting i's i move to approve supervisor

cowen's amendment. >> i move we support supervisor cowen's charter amendment because again, it is an action item for the commission and an action item for the legislation that will be passed at the board of supervisors and another level for voters it is incredible i move to support supervisor cowen's. >> i second that you i want to clarify that there is a draft resolution we have that in your packet the commission staff make that available to the public the reds supporting supervisor cowen's proposed charter will amendment to increase the jurisdiction over the officer-involved shooting whereas the occ jurisdiction to investigate the officer-involved shooting s when a complaint is filed whereas 2015-2016 has the charter amendment to investigate officer-involved shootings whereas brown recent this chapter about enable them to

begin a officer-involved shooting investigation and serious or bodily injury therefore, be it resolved they support the charter amendment to increase the occ jurisdiction to investigate the officer-involved shooting s that is there is a motion and a second and . >> can i make an amendment that the public has not seen the resolution. >> can i talk. >> can ii was any - since the public has not seen the resolution we vote to endorse the expect and th content /* concept and support an actual resolution to bring it back to the public so would you accept a friendly amendment we endorse

the concept that supervisor cowen has put for the that the police commission endorses that occ investigated all officer-involved shootings? >> i'll turn to the city attorney. >> yeah.s, if you approve the amendment you can go forward. >> for point of clarification that that the other option if we can get print copies available we'll come back for the vote and do other public comment on united items for actions looking to the city attorney what the best way. >> for the combines i suggested but - >> it seems like the safer course to say an action item on tonight agenda would be before the commission to go ahead and approve that if you go that requires there is a written

recuse resolution so the commission can vote think on a verbal resolution. >> to add to the record. >> right addressed the commission secretary draft according to, however, the commission would like to read and draft it according let ultimately put the item back on the agenda for the public to see but the concept is properly appropriating on the agenda for endorsement of that particular matter. >> so it sounds like the motion before us is whould you accept american people friendly amendment by commissioner vice president turman i procured the concept sforp the commission staff to draft we'll vote on that and it will be brought back for official adoption and agendized were there will be public comment on the actual document. >> commissioner mazzucco.

>> i heard from the city attorney we can actually act on the verbal portion so at this point, i move to move as i did earlier with the verbal description of our support for this i feel confidence and confront with doing that. >> i second that. >> okay. >> so - >> sergeant, next item. >> call the vote please. on the motion to accept the verbal resolution superviso david chiu's. >> no commissioner vice president turman marry no commissioner marshacommissioner marshall what are we voting for so accept the verbal resolution

that commissioner president loftus read into the record. >> sxhaush how do you vote. >> i'm still. >> this is pretty straightforward a verbal resolution the public has not seen on a piece of paper commissioner mazzucco didn't want wants to vote on what is read into the record and to approve the concept when everyone can look at it. >> he didn't want to make the amendment an up and down vote go. >> commissioner marshall how do you vote own the motion to accept the verbal will motion from commissioner mazzucco. >> i've heard a no vote means what your you're not accepting the verbal motion as read into the record by commissioner president loftus. >> it's not about the issue.

>> does that make. >> make another motion dr. marshall. >> we're the middle of a motion we have to follow procedure dr. marshalls vote how do you vote. >> i'm sorry was that a no. >> the original thing we did so i don't know what that means. >> vote yes or no dr. marshall. >> he needs clarifications are you are you voting yes or no on commissioners vote to accept the verbal resolution that commissioner president loftus roared supporting supervisor cowen to increase the eject to investigate the officer-involved shooting s. >> supporting. >> supporting. >> yeah. i'm aokay. >> commissioner marshall commissioner dejesus councilmember brooks

commissioner marshall and commissioner wong and commissioner melara. >> the. >> yes. have it 5 to two that item passes. >> so this is ironic i added it to the agenda we could support this effort so i fully support it this as i said it is unfortunate that is a tremendous amount of security in any this commission following sunshine rules i believe we can do better to make sure the public is aware to clarify it but we will direct the commission staff to draft that and please posted it on the website and just for the record i support supervisor cowen's legislation as well and voted no for the same reasons that commissioner president loftus. >> just for the record the city attorney said we can adadou

want in oral concept. >> to give the public school a chance. >> a.a. so i'm technique scheme i've been interrupted let me fetish. >> that was my (multiple voices). >> i had the microphone maybe you should watch it later and see that. >> so i think the woo it works is one person at that time. >> commissioner dejesus we can't preach deesclation to mro police officers on the streets and not practice it users if you want to speak there is age button and i say snocommissione dejesus. >> i made my comment. >> thank you supervisor cowen. >> thank you. >> (laughter). sergeant, next line item. >> did thshe get what she wante

>> presentation regarding earthquake safety and emergency response easter bond. >> i'd like to ask the department of public works one of whom formally was a member of the san francisco police department captain john goldberg before they start the presentation i want to remind the 3ub the names of officers in officer-involved shootings haar not kept brief but made public. >> good evening. >> commissioner president loftus and directs and chief and members of the public john from the department of public works we want to give you a quick overview quick overview on 2014 the bond issue that is worked on the police facilities that was in nodding that was for construction of new substation

and fire and emergency water and fooishth system that substantially completed and easter 2014 that bond measure was passed in january of 2014 with the 79 percent support great support for the police department the parts that have bond are one and $65 million for the traffic company and sources facility out of 1995 evans and additionally $30 million for yugd and fix some of the problems that the district stations and the range excuse me. not the range but the stab he liv he lives along with the police department dpw did some- today is dollars 2 add and $74 million a substantial amount of money is

a fraction of what is needed those needs are you know upgrades to the mechanic system and space needs as we move inspectors to thons we've infer envisioned and some of the stations are one years old as much as some of the repair done the lifetime there were actually thirty years ago and things that needed to be repaired and go be workshops upgradeed there is changes in codes none of the work was seismic and since then the loma prieta and other earthquakes a great amount of knowled knowledge and the wireless internet to move into the future those issues will be addressed in future bonds i want to josh

the 200 and $74 million are bans today's dollars every unique repair and improvements costs b will that go up $30 million and people will say here's $30 million towards a 200 and $74 million project and we only need 200 and 44 we need a great amount more and some of the good news the exampwork has is gone first priority and public works to do to insure stacy for others disabled community from the public right-of-way to the calaveres station work is on bayview and mission station some of the work , work is going don and we have here lisa from public works the project manager overseeing the project she'll go

over what is planned for the stations as we know today could be changes there's work as far as tested on seismic and structural things so if there is big changes we would come back to you and let you know the commission on we know that the plans are in lisa also stated a week extra due on maternity leave so she's very dedicated new employee to dpw and doing on excellent job and in a side note i've been working with dpw about 3 years and the dedication to you know the police facilities and tentative to the police needs is a wonderful to work with i think the department is getting an excellent product i hope you've seen from the police

heralds with that, i am sorry to lisa. >> thank you john and - under 9 program so as john statistics the eer was passed in the evaluation of $4 million which $30 million are allocated to renovate, upgrade or upgrade the exit police facility the police facilities under the 2013-2014 program there is will include federal and state exist facilities of which 9 are district stations and that are related facilities

those are police academies and the golden gate stab he livles e areas are whether or not they're big enough to accommodate the police station they surveyed the security and accessibility and compliance and also exist building conditions that computed mechanic systems and electrical systems and plumbing systems building envelope matt haney roofs and doors and wall and windows e so the cost along with those assessments a list of recommendations were made to address those proficient sisters the facilities and the cost

estimate come back came back to a total combining of 200 and $74 million this is how much we'll need to meet the current codes and meets the operational needs by the planning commission practices so obviously 200 and $74 million versus the $300 million would we'll audddrs the critical needs of the station and use the city's capital improvement plan guidelines to help us prioritize some of the things we need to address immediately and based on the cap guidelines priority one are those improvements necessary to meet the code reminded those are ada accessibility for the general public and priority 2 those for the lives health and safety the occupants and prevent the

loss of access a priority 3 the maintenance and existing infrastructure those will be the emergency generators and the systems repair roofs etc. so, so the next misleslide we w to show examples of the exist buildings that shows efficiency roofs that are leaking with standing water and shows water damage within the workstation there is also you know deteriorated extra walls that are exposing rebars that spell need to be repaired the next slide shows the total overall need across the facilities and also what we have buggdgete for everyone facility so the overall need it 200 and 74

bottom line and the estimated cost over all $24.9 million so we built the 15 percent we serve that comes to 4 or $5 million unexpected issues the future so the next slide shows graphically the overall need at each of station versus what we have budget under the 2013-2014 program and the next slide is the spreadsheet that shows the details how we are allocating the budget across the different stations and across the areas of improvement so we can see that we're you know spend some money on ada upgrades and all of these stations and spend most of the budget on seismical upgrade and

the mr. flanagan >> mechanic system another graph looking at go where and how we plan to distribute the budget so the firstgraphy is showing we're spendinglism thirty percent of our budget on seismic upgrades and the rest is kind of the history of the mechanic, electrical systems and the iceland gets a little bit and plumbing a little bit we don't have much budget to renovate, upgrade the sites but we have a small bit of sites upgrades and one of the stations so the next two slides is actually - we with this assessments from the professional team and also with the budget we've identified 10 projects that will execute the next 5 years and there's going to be si5

projects and upgrades and grants of the projects will pass a service component to it with the system upgrades a so currently 3 projects that are underway of which two or ada upgrades one under construction and the other at the end of the design and about to go out to permit and construction is slate for later this year and so i can - maybe we can look at the schedule this is a 5 year look ahead of our plan started in 2015 and mr. will complete the projects identified by 2020 and there is how we propose to deliver the projects currently shows that we have 3 promotions that are in different stages of final

construction and the future we'll - these are our planning documents it maybe change but at this point this is what we're doing and our goal to complete by 2020 that concludes my presentation. any questions. >> so we just accepted a enlist fromal girl scout troop that's pretty sad looks like a lot of the dollars how is the public being told is it just us i am not i say i'm not showure high the dairp we have loyal viewsers but the captain to talk to make sure that the folks said the investment and why it is important. >> we're working closely with each station as we deliver a project at the start of

construction wei'll let the public know this is a project this is what we're doing at each stations and as i understand mounted on the building and educate the public about the project and there will be i believe community meetings that we can attend if there's questions we'll answer questi s questions. >> that's good there are comments i've gotten comments i don't know if you know there are issues with the heating system at bayview station i bring this up. >> i lived there so it is - the air conditioning works when is cold and the heart only works when it is hot so lisa promises me this had been fixed. >> there's different level one of the preliminaimer areas of improvement we're looking at it

to you know fix as part of projegram that is different levels work and each of the station i'm sure as we look at that aspect of the project we'll talk to you and the occupants and find out there's complaints and assess the existing increments and make recommendatio recommendations. >> we'll make sure the presentation is on the department website as well and i want to thank leah and captain goldberg and captain harris lisa thank you and good luck with the rest of the things you've got going. >> thank you commission lemon is that one lisa is out to all stations to find out what their concerns but to make sure that we planned the

work around you know their schedule never mind not look at central station and not work at mission station during events but work with their schedule additional we're - there is be disruptions but to the decree possible minimize ait and communi communicate with their groups with the station meeting but the er ether - all those are done at doesn't to the the voters to a commitment for e either 10 or

2014 written reports will go or will say on the work and you know honey shot pictures of the new building it looks nice so all the contact information for this e they are program advertised possible without spend a lot of bucks on outreach and other opportunity that tend to communicate to the public the best we're able to. >> can i encourage that to continue if we're meeting people where they are this is a great thing to be agenda decided that was a long time ago that greg y suhr was the captain at the station but it is propose pretty extraordinary the that - we don't pick one in the southeast sector they can ended up at the

end of the line but to factor the concern we've heard i lord to hearing i think there are a number of considerations and thank you for being with us here tonight appreciate it very much. >> thank you. >> puerto. >> saethd. >> occ director's report this is agency to allow the eject director to make announcements and reports on activities. >> off there she is. >> on cue.

>> sorrow to keep you waiting commissioner president loftus and commission of the committee i have no recent activities to report this evening thank you. >> sergeant, next line item. >> item commission reports and discussion and wanting report and use of force the policy working group and commissioners report. >> colleagues as we decided last week the commission staff has invited a stakeholder group to look at the use of force and sergeant what district attornay >> it is schedule for next tuesday february 23rd at the public safety building from 10 to 2. >> in addition colleagues, i did have i reached but to the united states doj and shared with them our timeline it is

again our design that we will be able to provide did draft policies with stakeholders february to the doj and hope they'll return it in time for us to bring it to say public and vote here early in april that's my update over and over the acholic beverage review will be having an information hearing everyone got their e-mail and posting it on our website it is going to be next wednesday sergeant do you have the details of the location. >> i don't i believe we posted online and over at table. >> i will. >> sorry i do it is right here wednesday february 24th p.m. to 8:00 p.m. and marshall auditorium in san francisco. >> and he will share that is it is being described as a

listening and first step in the doj process and the goal to listen and hear the community and priority a forum in which the community members can express their opinion we're dark on the fourth wednesday that provides an opportunity for folks to attend and share their thoughts next wednesday. >> colleagues anything commissioner melara. >> just a question somewhere i saw the police department will not be present i believe that representatives of the p d police department will not be present i'll wonder if we are seei seen as part of representatives of the police police department so i'm just wondering because when i saw that and wanting to

allow the public to freely speak their mind should we stay away as well. >> so well, i can't speak for everyone prospective we're not members of the san francisco police department we are the policymakers that handle discipline we've been insisted i think certainly as policymakers it will be good for us to hear and also the acholic beverage reform is designed to work together to addressee their concerns and so i would very much building that to see which commissioners are innovative but i wonder if other have thought. >> to get paid we're on the police department project

sponsor project sponsor. >> i'm assuming less than 4 respect right maybe 4 issues so just to be clear we're given one hundred conflict of interests stipend and get into the building we're distinctive a civilian employee badge that is confusing to sass say we're on the payroll as s the city attorney could you have guidance. >> i'm sorry can you repeat question i was busy. >> because we're saying this meeting will not have police presence interest so small business people from the police department and i was wondering since we're part of mr. johnson where we would be seen as art ever police department commissioner president suzy loftus size that you know because we're policy marking body we're not necessarily part of department and so - but that

means only three of us can how much not more than 3. >> couple of things important that the commission sets the policy for the department i don't think that is seen as a separate it is part of the city and county of san francisco and in terms of the acholic beverage reform effort it is a community meeting open to the public and they didn't mines they didn't express not to have a police presence so if any individual members of the commission time to attend that is in our individual capacity nothing that stops or public comment on this item prohibits that but at the same time it is an appearance issue that is which is the purpose i understand the department of justice would like to have those meetings so the public feels save in a different environmentalist obviously the members of the public can come

hear here the commission goes out to the community but having a different lens in. >> different view of that so to answer your question morning of an appearance issue. >> also just to be clear the duftsz invited us is a matter of fact, i understand when we have the community forums it on officers in uniform this somehow chills the conversation but as commissioners have been invited. >> we received the invitations from doj and i received the e-mail from the office manager for the mentioning whether or not they were invited. >> we'll clarify with the doj to our point ma'am, deputy director city attorney. >> sxhoupg. >> i had a quick question the

question have we had increased community participation a working group if you could share with the community folks represe representative. >> yes. there are and we carved out a specific spot for the jennifer on homelessness not the person taking the spot for the working group a young person that didn't participate so sergeant do you want to. >> so there are representatives on the stormwater or stakeholder from the alu the district attorney's office. >> they've been invite and heard back from some of them and this district attorney's office and the department in human right commission and police officers association, all the police employee groups ahave ben notified the women's as police

officers association and the asian egg peace officers association and latin and the san francisco bar as superviso david chiu's said the coalition on homeless unless and the member of the mentally ill outside the scope and 3 members the police department including d.c. chaplain and acting captain. >> is there is is 20 agencies. >> well 20 people have been invited. >> i'm sorry and the eject. >> sorry of course. >> directs from the eject my apologies. >> a couple of quick reports i attended last friday, a conference supports by usf in the entering faith accreditation code violation coalition how the police officers could be involved and the speak writer

for martin luther king was a close congressional dependent a close meeting that brought tonight felisa library john that is for the justice of mario woods and blaeks they might be a group they boardwalk out into human rights commissions and it was present at the gathering i think there will be fallout session with the fight leadership to start taking a leadership position on the issues trying to bring together police and communities talk about how to improve police community and a organizer was michael from the san francisco interfaith a member of the human rights coalition last friday the attended the one billion the

worldwide event to fight against domestic violence and last sunday i attended the chinatown the ymca joint later than you think and the black history month that is a good function the bayview to bring those communities together and finally time to you building there was an invitation that went out from the peace officer association the parade is coming up this saturday. >> saturday night. >> saturday night so for the commissioners who from the occ want to march and see the parade i believe there is an open invitation to the entire commission you'll do you get to ride or march. >> you can march (laughter). >> are there any other items to report from any other

commissioners? >> sergeant before we move own to the next item i will use my discretion as chair to reopen item number 5 and colleagues, i would like to entertain a motion to resend our prior vote because as both summary and i made clear we support the intent and the spirit behind the reds it would be unfortunate to have f that move forward without a anonymous vote we get into a procedural so i want to correct that as that move forward it is clear to the board of supervisors so i'll i'd like to entertain a motion to recess accepted thascind that v

>> it was confusing while we were voting and dr. marsh i don't understand if you understand that motion and was voting and he felt the same way i liked it well, i want to put a motion forward we rescind the previous motion and refirst class the motion to make sure that everyone has the ability to vote. >> and make another. >> do we have a second. >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> i'm sorry, i have to take public comment any discussion before public comment.

>> i want to for point of clarification the chair niefrtd a motion to rescind is that proper. >> you have a paramounty so i'll defer that. >> yes. she can thshe can't me a motion beyond why we're having a discussion when we left why is assault all of a sudden this motion to rescind let me finish let me finish if we move to rescind anything in place or rescind period. >> the first part of motion to rescind i have a motion to rescind or not excess e rescind and therefore, post a motion that understanding what they're voting for and vote for it maybe

the sense or similar motion now the motion is on the floor and you can choose to vote the chair can take a vote. >> okay commissioner wong. >> i think that commissioner melara answered any question again by way of discussion although the compliances with such i may not be perfect it sounds like urgency to pass this any kind of effect on the board of supervisors rules committee and so if i understand commissioner melara correctly that we were going to vote again and - >> i agree if we vote again with more language that makes that more comfortable i agree with commissioner president loftus i want this to be anonymous. >> commissioner vice president turman. >> i'm fine when we left i was - i think we're fine.

>> okay. so let's pack public comment any public comment on this item? >> okay. the guys what referenced to san francisco 67 dash 9 your supposed to have these documents before the public so you can see them ambassador the other problem is that okay before you start changing the agenda items your supposed to do that at the beginning the meeting not the middle i mean legislatively you're looking like a bowl of spaghetti from one area to other area and going back and trying to vote and unvote you're looking like a bowl of spaghetti than a legislative body

those are robert's rules of order things that some of you are lawyers i'm surprised you haven't figured this in this for a few people's questions if you want to make a motion make a motion the motion is second than conversations then public comment and then after that, you vote on that so that's the process - i'm just it is very perplexing you know. >> thank you. >> is there any additional public comment? >> public comment is closed. >> we have a location to rescind the prior vote. >> so moved and it is seconded sergeant call roll. >> on the motion to rescind to accept the verbal resolution to

support supervisor cowen's proposed charter amendment to increase the office of citizens complaints jurisdiction to investigate officer-involved shooting s commissioner president loftus how do you vote. >> commissioner vice president turman how do you vote. >> commissioner marshall 70s how do i vote. >> no. >> 70s votes no and commissioner mazzucco is i commissioner wong how do you vote. >> commissioner melara how do you vote the i's are 6 to one. >> that item passes. >> okay. so at this point, i will i'd like to entertain a motion to support off charter

amendment consistent with the resolution that we have in our pukts which i read into the record do you recommend ma'am, city attorney i read into the record again. >> i think the motion should be to support supervisor cowen's promoted charter amendment to increase the office of citizens complaints and direct the commission secretary to draft a resolution and you can read the word you'd like her to draft that is xhvenltd wiconsistent wh that motion. >> i'll visinvite that motion support supervisor cowen's proposed charter amendment to increase the jurisdiction to investigate the officer-involved shooting s i direct the staff to direct that whereas the occ curiosity jurisdiction to investigate a officer-involved shooting whereas on wednesday,

february 17, 2016, supervisor cowen introduced the mainstream to investigate the officer-involved shootings and the occ to immediately begin the investigations in you'll officer-involved shootings relatedly in death or seriously bodily injure therefore, be it resolved we support the chartered amendment for the officer-involved shootings do i have a motion. >> so moved. >> sergeant discussion any discussion amongst the commission all did we just do this we read it entered into a record. >> i know i'm happy to clarify if so it still confuse not confusing to in the point i made there was a procedural hiccup other commissioners have explained the reason that commissioner vice president turman and myself voted no, because of the out of procedurals we could do that

better but give him the fatigoc tfa fact that was xhufkts you about that vote we voted to rescind and now a new motion to support this resolution. >> i was told that was the same motion when you voted and marshall voted for i understand you want everyone to vote with it. >> same motion. >> on the intent to show unanimous support s. >> i get did now again, i can't speak for commissioner president loftus and sxhaurm their issue whether or not we were move in an appropriate fashioned with the reference to the regulation i think there was clarification and a goal for which community it is a great resolution that's the clarification they're no vote has nothing to do with with potty legislation only a

prouder. >> one more thing i think we all agree we support it and want intoxicate anonymo to be ntoxit >> i want to take public comment is there any additional public comment? >> hearing no public comment public comment is closed. >> thank you. >> can i get a call thank you, sir. >> can i hear it. >> we're going to vote on the motions at this stage call roll. >> thank you. >> on the motion commissioner president loftus how do you vote. >> summary how do you vote.

>> sxhaush how had had vote. >> commissioner dejesus how do you vote. >> commissioner mazzucco how do you vote. >> commissioner wong how do you vote. >> sxherl how do you vote. >> it's a unanimous vote 7 to zero. >> thank you thank you. i think this is a much more reflection of where this body is at thank you for the patience and the members of the public to have to see that twice it is more important we get overseeing things right. i appreciate everyone we're going to move back into the agenda sergeant, next line item. >> item 3-d commission and scheduling the item for future meeting agenda. >> colleagues items that we

haven't discussed to be placed on future agenda. >> okay. >> remembering the public that the commission is dark next week. >> thank you we'll now have public comment on items 3 a through 3-d. >> if you want to make public comment come up to the front, sir. >> good evening and welcome. >> thank you i appreciate the opportunity my name is a period of time a president of berkley but virtuosa citizen of the bayview i was truman medical center officer jyee he promoted transmy be seated television station the alameda we got that close and

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rehabilitation and officer train whether i hear you're looking for options i see the issue of training i just wanted to introduce this topic and say from personal experienced okay so i have been assaulted a number of times in any life mostly 64 years old have some kind type of experience he was being throttled i love you stop it and the total strength of this grip was weakened at the mention of love and other time i have an 8 inch achieve at my throat the back of a car i said what you you do i love you guys stop is that energy changed from violence to a soft enmaybe sudden and upcoming expelled expression of caring and love and good will is

a weapon in defense a he and this needs to be looked by police training and into the public the choice between goodwill and ill loophowill the fundamental choice and if in crisis you see that beautiful sympt symbol captures this image this on elementary school classroom walls all around the world not just in san francisco and the united states it wouldn't mean so much if not a lot of thought behind it i want to leave it troy of documents for the public. >> thank you. >> thank you, sir. >> doctor king said love our

enemies i'm sorry any future public comment hearing and seeing none,. >> sergeant, next line item. >> item 4 blue-ribbon task force for the materials provided to newly possibility vote whether to waive the taking a look attc for newly appointed commissioners action. >> colleagues you heard early open in public comment we have gotten a request from the blue-ribbon panel for many documents we turned over the binder that was given to us we were instructed we were the privileged document so the privilege is held by the commission in order for that department document that bloiin to be released we wave that prim we're here to discuss and the

city attorney to discuss how we make our decision. >> just so reemphasis the commission getting got a blue-ribbon request sorry for all materials to newly exoneratappointed commissioners the new materials are assembly by the city attorney office and given to the new ly appointed commissioners no other document either from the department or the commission staff and so to the extent i want to make sure that that a a case by case brace basis so whatever the city attorney's office garter the materials it provides the process of attorney giving you advice it is a

attorney/client advise but different to each the commissions at the time our appoint the materials are attorney/client and rightfully so the commission didn't disclosure that the commission need to take a vote and it had been to say a majority vote to releases overseeing materials as case by case boos in terms of making sure you're fully informed of what materials are in you to releases to the blue-ribbon task force we're not to treat any member of the public different once it is available it is available to everyone what you have front of the it is not available to the public it operationally is still the attorney/client until the privilege is waved you have a list of material that is come

appeal fil pile - and provided that information to the blue-ribbon task force and commissioner mazzucco a couple of questions for the city attorney and the tnt attorney/client we're all clients of the city collective mynt attorney/client we're all clients of the city collective t attorney/client we're all clients of the city collective attorney/client we're all clients of the city collective myattorney/client we're all clients of the city collective myattorney/client we're all clients of the city collective my concern is. >> my second question is as the attorney you get nervous and work or worry about waving the privilege are we waving the privilege down the road for other documentation related to our roles commissioners what we do in policies and procedures we ask for the city attorney like we saw and ask the city attorney for voids whether on your side of frenence so mime concerned at waving and privilege to get those document and put ours in a position we're waving the

projepr privilege for all the communication and document maybe commissioner vice president turman has follow-up on that. >> the question was my question is it a commission wide privilege or individual and so for the materials the table of inspection if so for the commission to waive you received a coffer letter that is addressed specifically to you that requires each individual commissioners toy wave you're the holder the privilege what you have before you the materials that on the table of consents covered are are you asking for today what materials we will disclosure the future the city attorney's office come piles additional materials the laws change maybe thing that are more important as you may know you were postponed before any time with the commission there

may be able additional thing i think are important and excluin that if this is a waiver they existed 0 currently is before you to be waved if a future request we'll have to go to the exercise again to entertain whether or not the commission want to waive aboit but only co i the materials to be waved has to do with with thas nothing to with with the letter that the commission would like to waive that within our discretion to do so. >> commission so the table of contents what i hear you tell me anything a public documents incorporated indemnity city attorney's packet to the commission is that the city attorney's legal impression

work product and formula it. >> the materials before you are coming piled for each commission that reflect when the city attorney building at that time was important with our discretion within our position to the extent it is a work product and very much so we believe that you should know and should be fully aware of as your entering the job. >> i understand it is your work product the question why in the city attorney privilege instead of the commission. >> the work product i put together in pie files once i turn it over to the client that's you itself its attorney/client privilege of the attorney/client privilege not my wor

>> any other questions. >> i'm sorry. i'm in number - what i'm looking at the table of consen contents. >> before the privilege is waved refer to each individual item just berptd or better to ask the question in the abstract what saying excuse me in an a strange way whatever the materials didn't matter for the purpose of the discussion but until the commission waves that privilege. >> that's. >> 411 absolutely n11 absolu >> 411 absolutely n11 absolua >> i don't if i'll answer our question irrespective there are

materials that are publicly available need gathering the information and all the materials are available you can go to the city charter but specifically is to the thought process and the direct look at this body of law or look at this i don't know if that helps. >> that helps. >> actually i'm not an interest. >> commissioner mazzucco. >> if we wave the privilege that the public doesn't see is that a waiver for any further request we wave the tnt and the blue-ribbon want for but we ant object we file the motion and we've waved the privilege i see in my line of work once the waiver flaws i want more clarification i look at those documents and work with the committee and cooperate and that

that this commission has not authority but come piles and sometimes they come down to the region we want the documents regarding this you have to be careful the attorney/client we as the guclients uphold the privilege i want to make sure we have that we discuss with the counsel and the city attorney's office in our if we wave the privilege it becomes law this is my concern if we can't tonight we should people postpone for other week. >> the only materials you're being asked to waive is the materialsism if there is a question from the commission that asks about any of the items how it applies to the commission

are anything like that had will not be discussed within the perimeter of today waving that prim that is operaseparate only specifically for the materials compiled new further in terms of you wave the privilege forever yes, it is available to everyone those materials at that time, are available to whoever asked them their pubically available. >> what i'm saying wave the privilege forever yes, they ask for the documents but come back in weeks from now and saw this is sensitive can we reinsert the privilege for an unrelated document not before us tonight. >> no, no we will assert the tnt against documents related anything that is not within the

four corners of this document we will not- we will assert the tnt and bring it back to the commission if you want to waiver each and every document ever document need to be amongst the commission and the commission will look at whether or not to waive the privilege. >> commissioner wong. >> i don't if you heard you right was there a specific request for the table of for all the materials that the city attorney's office prepared. >> the request for all materials give him to newly appointed commissioners my understanding no other materials other than overseeing come appealpiled to every commission. >> i guess i have a question for the hypothetical to maybe the representative the imply rib

but answer this whether or not there could be a summary the general categories of the materials as opposed to providing specifics concerns as trying to understand the intent the general description we were to address that and say well those are materials related to how you request such and such a general description to the actual context. >> you don't have to wait for public comment that's a question that the commission has. >> may i ask that. >> did you understand my question. >> whether it would if you submit and summary for newly commissions and generally, the

teaches materials that are provided to us. >> our request is aimed and the primary source document we were interested in keying e seeing what is provided to you commissioners we won't object oto our summary like a requester inform summation we currenterta wouldn't object hour our position we prefer to have the exact documents to examine for ourselves. >> we're making more of a mystery this is not. >> that was confusing. >> no info, no i understand ts publicly assessable document if we tell you those materials are related to you know how the police commission works you can find the document in public record i understand commissioner mazzucco concerns the concern is

about generally waiver as opposed to this not a it up secret document i'm wondering a different way to satisfactory what you're looking for. >> i've stated our position with respect to the documents the city attorney has clarified the city attorney's position with respect to the general versus the specific waiver but i will say that we are concerned about the assertion the tnt over the compilation of documents we also have a hearing before the sunshine ordinance task force secondl schedule within the rules that we would have to pursue the event that the documents were not disclosed here to the extent we can reach a resolution on that tonight be appreciative of that. >> but i do think this is a simple matter of disclose or not

disclosing a table of consenten >> sxhaucommissioner turman f of all, your concern over us what is that concern. >> we're reviewing we received to shoppers task force letter that outlined the city attorney and the commission response to our compliment that letter said that the reign that the attorney/client was proper is because the stha as come appealed city attorney has - we're determining whether it is proper may have concerns about the privilege we'll bring to the task force. >> but what i'm concerned is that i don't want to make that more than what it is either but

the as a matter of fact i've been an attorney since 1992 one of the duties as an attorney to protect the privilege of the attorney/client and i'm concerned that prousz this material first of all, as compiled didn't give you a sense of what you're looking for it may appear or emphasis that something that i don't know that is necessarily true and i also believe that the communications that i had with the it don't make any difference city attorney's office was an intendi attorney/client communication i'm not comfortable waving that i'm comfortable with you pubically assessable documents but the ways their conformed and put together talk they talk a

self-ma skated duty and trust between myself and i have a problem with the sunshine ordinance but i'm not confront i don't want to make this more than what it is but this is all those documents i don't want to give you - you to be mislead by just the documents as to how i was trained or what i believe of my duties to be i don't think that helps our cause. >> i think you get much more out of talking to us as the commission we don't have reference what went on between us and the city attorney just my thoughts of. >> do you wanted to respond.

>> thank you commissioner vice president turman i don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill but we have really appreciated seeing the source document that commissioner president loftus has permitted pursuit as us and rachel has been combrashs in helping us putting in context we spoken to each of you and would be more happy to revisit our understanding of the tomentsz if we can see them so that's role i appreciate your consideration of the issue and thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> commissioner melara. >> yes. again making - >> if you - and feel like we're making is a bigger deal you have missing documents and you can - she don't oh, okay. >> didn't have the anything's

document oh, in that case the issue you can ask for specific documents our interested in local governme looking at rather than us providing you with these documents and was because you have an idea what your looking for i have a feeling in talking to you guys i understood what you're trying to do so i i'm confused why this is such a big deal. >> and again, i'm concerned about my the issue of the my giving up any privilege in this case. >> certainly respect commissioner melara we did specifically request the documents that we're trying to found we're requested the materials to the commission all we're trying to learn here is

what you learn when you join this role the kinds of roles you're presented with how you understand your role and responsibility and it really is that simple and so this was our intent in requesting oversee documents teemed e keep these in mind this was part avenue broader list of request you've been gracious in providing in our minds one small piece of that larger puzzle. >> commissioner dejesus. >> so i guess my concern the city attorney advise the commissioners including in terms of asking oanswering our questions we might have and all that part and parcel of those things so it is an attorney/client i i'm sorry i was late i have a couple of questions i don't know why you

need those and as part of that, of course, our conversations are part ever that so you know why you need it exactly when i interviewed us we told you what we think our role is and our responsibility and some of tus might have explained to us we've given you that and i have concern concerns about the authority asking for the attorney/client privilege materials and that's concerning we want it does fit well and especially knowing the roles of each individual commission. >> sure commissioner dejesus we didn't request any materials abused the attorney/client privilege we requested all materials provided to new postponed commissioners now the response we received from sergeant killis haw you, we fild

a climate what the sunshine ordinance and a letter we'll be filing overseeing complaints we wonder about the basis. to assertion i suppose it can, said we were surprised because the commission is a public body it is meeting the public and opportunity for public comment the all the materials provided to newly appoint commissioners will be privileged it sounds like from our discussion take our pubically order documents it is stranger there was a attorney/client privilege being asserted so for that reason we filed the complaint and at that point we received the letter back indicated indeed those are

the - privileged in terms of our conversation with the city attorney when you joined the commission it is not what we requested we requested the material provided to us so the documents provide to you we're not seek any advice about other matters or your individual capacity we're seeking the information your given in our binder has a appears with you join the commission >> but i guess it is like it goes back to the authority your requesting something asked you to sit on the commission go not any different from any other community group we want to see what the city attorney provided you when how came on board i don't understand what makes it commission to be asking asking these types of commission august

has nothing to do with with the blue-ribbon and the sunshine ordinance laws in the city of san francisco that permits the interested sentences to petition the body for documents we're preceding under the laws of the city this is a the authority under w which we sought those documents we don't contend nothing we don't any intending should be overcome by our assertion we requested those documents and grateful. >> you are missing my point you say we understand the vehicle i understand that but i want to get back to the authority of we as the authority of commission i've not heard an answer. >> an authority from the blue-ribbon comes from the laws that permits the city attorney

to have a passive meeting body that body advise the district attorney that's our role we have been created to be independent of the district attorney and we're all law firms and work pro bono hours to do that so that's what we are again my authority for requesting the documents has nothing to do with with the meeting the body rules. >> so city attorney you want to say something. >> we're treating this as a public records request and make in difference to the querequest not allowed ato show you who is asking for the information. >> i'm sorry with only question just one question i hear what you're assessing the issue that you all had was we're the client we declined to

turnover the blind at the advise of the city attorney that was attorney/client privileges it sounds like your question with the city attorney advising us that the attorney/client privilege that is the issue you have we're skep over a step to resolve it in deciding whether in body wanted to waive the attorney/client prim but the issue you have is actually with the city attorney's office; is that correct. >> we were preceding why un y yes what our proposing mutes that on or about we'll certainly presenter the consideration. >> i got did. >> the northern lawyer in me as figured out it auto. >> tell the rest of the

lawyers. >> i am something you, you can't have it. >> i want to make sure this is a request that came to the commission one that department and the commission has an obligation to collect all the responsive documents now the question was asked is this material the attorney/client and the answer is yes, it is okay. so the holder the privilege is the commission. >> i got it so my questions on my kids i'm assuming that was done for a reason; right? an attorney/client privilege that tested that. >> well, i don't know if that's a good assumes necessarily. >> i don't know but just a non-lawyer again, i'm assuming that was put in there for some reason and you're asking us to do that to undo that i'm moral

confused than ever why we should do this. >> what i'm asking you to do to really consider the value of the withholding the information you have in front of you and weigh that against you are request to understand what it is that you do and learn about our role as commission when you join the commission we think as representatives the blue rainbow panel and members of the public. >> that part i see that part i see that part. >> the value nice words. >> nice words but i'm assume that was put in there for a reason and without me knowing why it is. >> that is raised in my mind. >> privilege is not applied by someone and according to the city attorney to arises in this instance because of the nature the activities not that someone

made an actual decision to apply the privilege the city attorney is suggesting that it applies here due to the fact you come pile the document put thought process into the documents you compiled. >> that answers my questions. >> so colleagues the question how do we want to handle this like when you don't think of american people ice cream sunday you immediately think of one we've created a tremendous amount of interest what is in the blinders and in an era of transparent i think that the spirit of the intent of the blue rainbow to hopefully to provide recommendations and a lot of smart lawyers i've always viewed this is as this will be conducive and help us do a better job this is the spirit in

which we've provided documents that our staff as made ourselves available ultimately the question is down to the alllaw we want to handle this unfortunately, one the challenges i've read is in a statutory privilege not new issues but important we have this discussion and whether the commission want to wave the ability we could a we can choose to wekeep and assert the privile and if we do choose to insert the privilege not to dealer a summary of what is the materials and obviously you have your rights and responsibility as a citizen sea that could demonstrate we do want to coopera coordinate and be as transparency but i'll leave it up to the group to bring a motion if we're ready for that.

>> commissioner dejesus. >> i certainly appointment the panel to a lot of documents i'm wondering if some sort of compromise to reach. >> public documents really he last week the idea i'm sorry i like the idea of providing a summary and of the documents and possible you know if it operationally is assemble you can get an idea where to find the documents that would satisfy our needs and your needs. >> well, we can't speak to what satisfies her needs over and over is whether you rainbow panel i understand what you're saying potentially would be resolution for the immediate time and again, we, provide a

summary of what is in under and if this is still unsatisfactory maybe agendize this for a future negro have a briefly from the city attorney on essential any of the issues that can be plummeted thoroughly colleagues is that the direction are anyone bring a motion to waive the motion. >> commissioner dejesus. >> what a summary violate the attorney/client. >> any individual commission thought of the president tossed take on come piling a summary (laughter) purs then will be appropriate or staff. >> the commission oh, boy (laughter) i - >> coke colleagues what's on the table if not a motion to

waive the privilege than any recommendation to that we work with the commission staff to provide a summary that is fully taint about the documents given to us and hopefully see the resolve and give the panel what they need. >> that's a good first start. >> thank you. >> and thank you so much for being here we know you came last week and didn't know we'd inquiry of you but appreciate you're helping us to go e get through that. >> thank you you'all fewer see appreciate it. >> nobody brought a motion. >> do we need a motion for a summary. >> that would be helpful a motion for a summary. >> i'll move we have commission staff provide a summary to the attorney and if

it if violate attorney/client we'll have the summary. >> is there a second. >> he sktdz we need a roll call vote for that. >> i think i need to call public comment. >> any public comment? hearing public comment is closed. >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? okay. so majority it passes. >> okay. thank you everyone. >> sergeant, next item. >> item 6 public comment on all matters pertaining to closed session including the vote to whether to hold item 8 in closed session. >> any public comment on these matte matters. >> when will you release those documents the audio and the notes from the closed session. >> so this is a public comment

not a q and a pairperiods. >> i definitexoovl understand another question so have you ever releases any closed session meetings other side or notes? >> again i'm sorry we're governed by rules. >> i read the rules our allowed to respond. >> i am allowed to. >> i'm asking have you ever releases any closed session audio or notes. >> okay. >> so 15, 20 years of goals stuck in closed session you've never released it. >> ever disclosed. >> ever releases anything in closed session like 20 years,

thirty years are, 50 are 60 years or one hundred years ago have you ever releases anything. >> i don't know. >> you don't know okay. >> so it's almost like you doing is that going into a black hole we never know. >> okay. >> is there any additional public comment? >> on this matter hearing public comment is closed. sergeant, next line item. >> item 7 vote on whether or not to hold item 8 in closed session the administerrative code actio >> do i have a motion or seconded. >> go. >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? we're in closed session thank you>> on this m

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>> good morning, everybody. thank you for coming to city hall first of all, thank to all the departments it under the general umbrella of the emergency management public

works and area our economic & workforce development office including our faith cbo community and penguin and others we've been explicit expecting some big storms to come our way as conversations with meteorologists i think that's their property name and scientists warn us of the el nino storms that are coming here that will certainly our city and our area will be a focus of what necessary expect to be flooding i haven't seen any rain yet but i want to be and so our department desirable reduce if we lucky we'll be offeringly prepared we deal with unexpected dangers about you it is good he

appreciate the departments and our direction coming together and doing everything we can to prepare not only themselves and their operations but to the public to the medium large and small businesses particularly to the residents for most now we know that with the exceptions we've been working in the private segment and public sector as well as with the faith based partners to make sure we're all ready and reemphasis that everyone should continue at their time when there isn't a big flooding going on to assess sf 72.org that is where there is good information we work on that site very well to prepare everybody and again thank our department of emergency services for putting out robust sets of information for i cannot we will

definitely be taking care of people on the streets as much as possible and hear more detail but 11 hundred more beds more than the shelter beds and in addition to the winter she will not beds that enter faith council is helping us to identify that are human services will identify an additional 11 hundred shelter beds for those people that that she will not should that large storm come our way we're preparing those sites and want to make sure that people who are on the streets know we have your outreach teams letting them know we have additional shelter so we simply do not try to experience the effects of a large storm by

themselves but reach out to as much as possible thank you to public works and the public utilities commission for work together i've seen the crews and done videos with their volume trucks i know how loud 38 they are they've been looking every catch bacon and with all the leaves they'll be plugged so we have to refresh those catch bacons by unfleg influencing them and any residents that see them plugged for trash or leafs report those to 311 and those agencies will get out to take care of them and make sure our infrastructure can go as much as they can to deal with 9 emergency our office of economic

workforce development i want to thank them they've been in communications aimed at our small businesses that are particular flowed prone areas their preparing and making sure we know what they can do and the services we office public works and other agencies working on those sites we'll have those sites up where residents and visitors can object 10 i think 10 free he moomd for their use at locations that convenient for them this is one location we'll have them at a number of locations nearby historically identified places of flooding but i do want to say our attitude as city hall is one we want everyone to know that alert

sf and the 72 hours.org is there we're preparing for a disagreeing discharge that is man made or otherwise we're prepared and want to put out as much free information as possible so when people plan for those disasters it is less changing more before corning sea making sure they take care of the communications and their families and businesses and their neighbors i want to say again, thank you to our event our police department they'll be out there making sure they respond to any specific needs that are there along with public works as we have our deniable that can assist people in inspecting areas the city or the homes and apartments what might be needed

as well as public works we emphasis that if there is any life-threatening emergency people for sure call 9-1-1 but when no life-threatening emergency please call 311 steady and that will be taken care of and the distinctions are in the tree branch falls on the street none it hurt that's the 311 but if a life wire ryan falls and people around that that is a 9-1-1 it is life-threatening we need to distinguish that so we don't have our lines filled with inappropriate calls to those lines we want the public to be read i again offer my thanks to the departments that are here today they are ready and they're willing they're able to engage in the departments and we want our city to be safe and prepared

and doing what we do early and often so again, thank you and up now with more details along with the other departments is ann from our department of emergency services. >> thank you, mr. mayor and good morning in the early 80s and the late 90s we had huge storms here in the bay area well, actually throughout california according to a recent released e released report 46 days of rain in january and february of 1998 that's a lot of rain we learned from each experience each large storm that go things happy you you know you have downed power lines and the mayor said and power outages and flooding all

sorts of thing we need to prepare we've gone through 4 years of drought a lot of trees coming down they don't have the root structures and the mudslides we have been preparing for this the impact is on the whole community of san francisco we started developing plans last fall working with all of our city departments agency and our nonprofit partners in the faith community and developing a game plan for el nino this year our concept of proclamations or game plan is continuous operations through a storm it if a severe storm tweezer in constant contract with the national weather service that provides us with information on point telling you the impact and

severity of the storm and the potential hazards to san francisco we will queen a conference call with the city storm incident management team or i m t to update the partner agencies what to expect with the upcoming storm if necessary we'll open our emergency operations on 1011 turk to make sure we're court reporting our response activity with rains as the little spitting rains out p there and right now our city is preempt twenty-four hour to make sure that the residents and citizens and the visitors to san francisco are safe our game plan relies on the corridor response at all levels of government navigate our lead

integer managers my lead el nino plan is meeting with fema to talk about our court reporting response effort our success relies on all our partners like pg&e, and our community-based organizations who are integrated with us at all levels of emergency operations in the field on the tv monitor you'll see sf 72 hour or city now the information hub and find information updates i'd like to take the opportunity when not an emergency this is a live site i encourage people to go check it out and finally with alert sf our text merchandising service in san francisco we have a new feature that will make that easier for people to sign up all you have to do a text 888777

triple 8, triple 7 and type in alert sf you're connected to this environmental service i encourage all people in san francisco and visitors to sign up for alert sf by registering you'll be able to keep yourselves save. >> what to expect as we approach the el nino storm on that note i'm going to turn it over to trent roar the director of our emergency services. >> thank you. i'm trent the human services and hsa is the lead agency for providing shelters in emergencies and we're stepping up for el nino on both ann and i were actually

involved that the shelters in the 7, 98 a lot of lessons we learned the biggest one we don't want a single shelter with one thousand plus people but shelters where the homeless are and a plan as the mayor said 11 hundred shelter beds with others depending on the demand located throughout the neighborhoods in san francisco admission and south of market, tenderloin, civically and southeast part of city and bayview and the hatred golden gate park but the process we'll undertake when we prepare for this storm will be meeting with the national weather service we'll look at winds and temperature and duration and amount of projected precipitation based on those

factors we'll decide whether or not to activate the shelters we'll prepare in phases so if we do make the determination we need to activate for our long phases do it in phases the way we stage the locations allows us to bring the shelters up to two or three hours so that excludes mats and partnering with meals on wheel easy this salvation army and others meals on wheels and staffed with city staff as well as the nonprofits the shelter will operate on to a form 700 to project how long it will last and probable a half or a day after the transitioning out of the shelters the types of location the first thing we look at where are the existing be

shelters are providing shelters for folks our emergency shelter some is 15 hundred and 25 beds right now at hsa and that's 1 hundred plus for single adults women and families and some have drop in areas or cafeterias to allow individuals that's the first place we'll look and activate and have our partners with the rec and park department their 3 rec centers that will be used and then the nonprofit partners and others who have facilities we can use and lastly other facilities ymca for example, has stepped up to provide their give him nature in the western edition and activating weasel be learning was a as we go it is hard to

anticipate but in 1998 we had a thousand beds that seems to me you looked at sort of the homeless places in the at any given time 3 thousand people on the streets some don't want to good indoors and at risk of our harming themselves partnership with other agencies and temporary accommodations for two or three nights and others for the homeward bound the transportation program in other cities and shelter the remainder as we assess the storm and the demand and already have contingencies for hundred additional beds should we need that the facilities will not be some discussion or word on the street to have tents they're not

tempts those are permanent structures that will be adding mats and other things to - some of the facilities some of the bigger sheds might be heat and in those cases erect a tent inside of a structure but no plans for tents on the city streets and thanks to the partnering with tdm and others nonprofit partners with the department of health we'll be doing the street outreach and the hope sf so we feel that we're prepared and almost finished with the memorandum of understanding and contract for locates we'll be ready to activate within a couple of weeks we anticipate the weather is hard to anticipate but the heavy el nino rains from january so february we'll be prepared for the homeless residents

thanks. >> thank you's interpreting we'll hear from barbara garcia. >> good morning the district will have roving teams to make sure that the medical needs and the mental health needs of clients are taken care of we're working with the outreach teams for the serviced to make sure they know that the sheltered will be available particularly our homeless outreach team that have mooeveng relationships with the people over the years will have the ability to get the people into is the she recalls we feel confident about that and our teams will insure that any individuals that needs services and ongoing support will be provided by the teams the roving teams are ready to go thank you very much. >> thank you bearing now we'll

hear in mohammed nuru the director for public works from san francisco. >> thank you like the mayor said over the last few months all the agencies have been working to present prepare for the upcoming storms as part of work we've done over the last few weeks had a couple of sandbags give away gaze and 15 thousand sandbags were given out we still have a large supply of sandbags and any residents feels their vulnerable to any kind of flooding through the garage or door or the back of their house come to our yard chavez a large number to supply people and in addition our crews are scheduled to work around the

clock performing inspections of trees any potential tree hazard that the public seize they should let us know when we have storms we're vulnerable to branches and trees falling so call 311 number will allow us to get and work on that emergency preparation for the storm it is fall and with the fall we all see the leaves with a little bit of wind the wind leaves can clog our cap baselines so if you see any catch by an that has a number of leaves again call the 311 number the 311 comes through the system to us we'll have crews that will be out there to

clean up the catch baselines with the rain like el nino can flowed pretty fast and if that catch by an is not clean quickly water raise and jumps the curbs and gets into homes the public can help us you know when you see a situation like that it is an easy job get a rack or broom and put the leaves in a bag so we're ready for the storms and we'll be working around the clock but possess importantly the public eyes on the streets so when you see things you believe that creates a situation please call 311 and we'll be out there thank you. >> thank you, mohammed next michael deputy general manager of the public utilities

commission. >> michael. >> good morning so we're you're wart and power providers in san francisco and the bay area many of the remarks are my remarks on that and i think to emphasize with the mayor said we need to be prepared we are we have been working on this for quite sometime and corridor with the public works and actually working with the city attorney's office if we do get into a situation where there is damage in the city one of the things that mohammed said i want to emphasize you'll help yourselves by clearing storm drains 25 storm drains in san francisco we can get to 9 thousand plus so many we'll not be able to get to if you get out there and make sure that the water goes away from buildings and protects the

property the other thing in a low lying area you're there elevate our belongings and put them up high to not get disadvantaged i don't know wants to lose their prized possessions and fled insurance you can take out flowed insurance and lastly we have a grant program at the public utilities commission for eligible pertaining to help to protect their property from flooding and finally if flooding 311 we're monitoring that our crews without with the department of public works and that's the best way to respond to our concerns thank you. >> thank you very much, michael this time i'd like to acknowledge our partner here with us today ashley from the

meals an wheels, bruce makinna with the corporation thank you. >> major sheryl with salvation army and marty with project open hand thank you. >> and charles from st. anthony's and berry anderson from pg&e that concludes our press conference we'll stick around and answer questions if i want to do individual interviews thank you all for coming thank interviews thank you all for coming thank ui want to do indi interviews thank you all for coming thank want to do indivi interviews thank you all for coming thank

as a society we've basically failed big portion of our population if you think about the basics of food, shelter safety a lot of people don't have any of those i'm mr. cookie can't speak for all the things but i know say, i have ideas how we can address the food issue. >> open the door and walk through that don't just stand looking out. >> as they grew up in in a how would that had access to good food and our parent cooked this is how you feed yours this is not happening in our country this is a huge pleasure i'm

david one of the co-founder so about four year ago we worked with the serviced and got to know the kid one of the things we figured out was that they didn't know how to cook. >> i heard about the cooking school through the larkin academy a. >> their noting no way to feed themselves so they're eating a lot of fast food and i usually eat whatever safeway is near my home a lot of hot food i was excited that i was eating lunch enough instead of what and eat. >> as i was inviting them over teaching them basic ways to fix good food they were so existed. >> particle learning the skills and the food they were really go

it it turned into the is charity foundation i ran into my friend we were talking about this this do you want to run this charity foundations and she said, yes. >> i'm a co-found and executive director for the cooking project our best classes participation for 10 students are monday they're really fun their chief driven classes we have a different guest around the city they're our stand alone cola's we had a series or series still city of attorney's office style of classes our final are night life diners. >> santa barbara shall comes in and helps us show us things and this is one the owners they help

us to socialize and i've been here about a year. >> we want to be sure to serve as many as we can. >> the san francisco cooking school is an amazing amazing partner. >> it is doing that in that space really elevates the space for the kids special for the chief that make it easy for them to come and it really makes the experience pretty special. >> i'm sutro sue set i'm a chief 2, 3, 4 san francisco. >> that's what those classes afford me the opportunity it breakdown the barriers and is this is not scary this is our choice about you many times this is a feel good what it is that you give them is an opportunity you have to make it seem like it's there for them for the

taking show them it is their and they can do that. >> hi, i'm antonio the chief in san francisco. >> the majority of kids at that age in order to get them into food they need to see something simple and the evidence will show and easy to produce i want to make sure that people can do it with a bowl and spoon and burner and one pan. >> i like is the receipts that are simple and not feel like it's a burden to make foods the cohesives show something eased. >> i go for vera toilet so someone can't do it or its way out of their range we only use 6 ingredients i can

afford 6 ingredient what good is showing you them something they can't use but the sovereignties what are you going to do more me you're not successful. >> we made a vegetable stir-fry indicators he'd ginger and onion that is really affordable how to balance it was easy to make the food we present i loved it if i having had access to a kitchen i'd cook more. >> some of us have never had a kitchen not taught how to cookie wasn't taught how to cook. >> i have a great appreciation for programs that teach kids food and cooking it is one of the healthiest positive things

you can communicate to people that are very young. >> the more programs like the cooking project in general that can have a positive impact how our kids eat is really, really important i believe that everybody should venting to utilize the kitchen and meet other kids their age to identify they're not alone and their ways in which to pick yours up and move forward that. >> it is really important to me the opportunity exists and so i do everything in my power to keep it that. >> we'll have our new headquarters in the heart of the tenderloin at taylor and kushlg at the end of this summer 2014 we're really excited.

>> a lot of the of the conditions in san francisco they have in the rest of the country so our goal to 257bd or expand out of the san francisco in los angeles and then after that who know. >> we'd never want to tell people want to do or eat only provide the skills and the tools in case that's something people are 2rrd in doing. >> you can't buy a box of psyche you have to put them in the right vein and direction with the right kids with a right place address time those kids don't have this you have to instill they can do it they're good enough now to finding out figure out and find the future for welcome to the epic center

did you know that many buildings in san francisco are not bolted to the foundation on today's episode we'll learn how the option to bolt our foundation in an earthquake. >> hi, everybody welcome to another episode of stay safe i'm the director of earthquake safety in the city and county of san francisco i'm joined by a friend matt. >> thank you thanks for being with us we're in a garage but at the el cap center south of market in san francisco what we've done a simulated the garage to show you what it is like to make the improvements and reduce the reflexes of earthquake we're looking at

foundation bolts what do they do. >> the foundation bolts are one of the strengthening system they hold the lowest piece of wood onto the foundation that prevents the allows from sliding during an earthquake that is a bolt over the original construction and these are typically put in along the foundation to secure the house to the foundation one of the things we'll show you many types of bolts let's go outside and show the vufrdz we're outside the epic center in downtown san francisco we'll show 3 different types of bolts we have a e poxy anchor. >> it is a type of anchor that is adhesive and this is a rod we'll embed both the awe hey

that embeds it into the foundation that will flip over a big square washer so it secured the mud sell to the foundation we'll need to big drill luckily we have peter from the company that will help us drill the first hole. >> so, now we have the hole drilled i'll stick the bolt in and e post-office box it. >> that wouldn't be a bad idea but the dust will prevent the e post-office box from bonding we need to clean the hole out first. >> so, now we have properly cleaned hole what's the next step. >> the next step to use e post-office box 2 consultants

that mixes this together and get them into tubes and put a notice he will into the hole and put the e post-office box slowly and have a hole with e post-office box. >> now it is important to worm or remember when you bolt our own foundation you have to go to 9 department of building inspection and get a permit before you start what should we look at next what i did next bolt. >> a couple of anchors that expand and we can try to next that will take a hole that hole is drilled slightly larger marathon the anchor size for the e post-office box to flow around the anchor and at expansion is going into the hole the same

dinning room we'll switch tamet so, now we have the second hole drilled what next. >> this is the anchor and this one has hard and steel threads that cuts their way into the concrete it is a ti ton anchor with the same large square so similar this didn't require e post-office box. >> that's correct you don't needed for the e post-office box to adhere overnight it will stick more easily.

>> and so, now it is good to go is that it. >> that's it. >> the third anchor is a universal foundation plate when you don't have room above our foundation to drill from the

top. >> so, now we have our foundation plate and the tightened screw a couple of ways to take care of a foundation what's the best. >> the best one depends on what your house is like and our contractors experience they're sometimes considered the cadillac anchor and triplely instead of not witting for the e post-office box this is essentially to use when you don't have the overhead for the foundation it really depends on the contractor and engineering what they prefer. >> talking to a qualified professional and see what