happened and where we are right now with that, i'll get started open december 9th the commission 2015 a commission meeting was held commissioner president loftus directed the department to draft an update of use of force policy to present to the commission in february of 2016 the request they requested the police executive provide technical assistance for the draft of use of force and create a use of force on the web page and all the relevance use of force documents. >> january 6th are of 2016 commissioner suzy loftus attend a series of meetings for the communities to obtain the recommendations for that the draft use of force and to come apply with the mayor's policies and training relays by

february 15th jam 12 and 13 commission and occ office of citizens complaints attends the first engineering and training on police ucsf in washington, d.c. and members of the department attended a series of meetings where the public provide comments and the use of force policy and the dates are listed january 21st of this year held and the third baptists and january the bayview at the ymca, january 27th at nations high school and the last one on the 27 in the tenderloin at bodecker park. >> those are the moving and the third baptist b mask and those forums were lead by young people from the community safety

for the conversation thank you. >> february 3rd of 2016 the commission chief suhr requested the department be allowed to draft the use of force policy after meeting with the cops office on february 9th of 2016. >> february 10th commission meeting the sfpd presented 4 separate draft policies that covered the department all drafts and covered the general order use of force, 4.0 one use of force reporting and 2 fiefrmz and lethal force and a special operation for the energy or c e d the commissioner president loftus announced a working group to provide the recommendations on the draft use of force policies february 10th this year

commission merging continues commissioner president loftus announced the process for the completion of the use of force policy and stakeholders recommendations and draft use of policies to be sent to doj has been done the department of justice to provide draft recommendations and asked for two additional weeks we spoke about to host two commission meetings for public comment on the draft use of force and this is earlier to mid-april of this month the commission to hold a meeting at city hall to talk about the use of force policies that will be early may and to hold a meeting on city hall whether not for the meeting and confer mid may february 17th chief suhr announced the deputy chief

chaplain the achieve the industries and birthday the stakeholders working group along with d.c. i've done and captain "'question: presented on use of force fannie training for all members of the department and february 23, 2016, the stakeholders group met for one meeting and provided verbal recommendations to the four use of force they were unanimous to talk about at drafted policies that was granted the stakeholders working group included represents from the san francisco police department office of citizens complaints, the public defender's office, the district attorney's office, and they deferred instead of sent sent the blue ribbon panel the san francisco bar association the aclu and the department human services and crisis intervention team and

coalition on homeless, human right and officer for justice and national latinos peace officers association and aging peace officer and the peace officers association and those were 18 members he know most of them i work on various committees and those were the best of best to represent their respect groups with respect to the ellis the department sent the draft use of force to at the direction of the commissioner president loftus and asked spur to provide recommendations on the draft policies retired philadelphia police department commissioner and co-chair the task force on 21st century mrool charles ramsey assistants bernard and personnel

for captains and lieutenants and firearm instructors use of force 40 guiding promises for taking the police to a higher standard as a result of stakeholder request the department and commission agreed to hold two additional meetings from march 2016 for the body worn camera policy throughout the policy areas of agreement and stakeholders certificate of occupancy repetitive consensus but areas where consensus was not reachedarch 21 the department present updated draft policies to commissioner president loftus after the completion of the 3 stakeholder michael's and commissioner president loftus september to the doj with the written recommends and department where

consensus was not researched april 4th the doj contacted the commission and asked for time regarding the san francisco police department use of force policies that concludes my presentation. and at this point we'll take any questions. >> yeah. i think or want to hear from everyone or befsh by one meeting everyone gave in their feedback and a total of 3 meetings he, he have been told i wasn't at the meeting you limited the issues from 65 to 10 is that accurate that the progress. >> there were 65 comments not all bystander bad acknowledge comments from the stakeholders down to 24 comments

non-consensus we identified 10 that were sticking points are their probably 14 issues that maishtd be able to we may not reach a consensus but down to 10 major issues but 24 totaled where we identified them as nonconsensus ordinances by significantly lower and the dynamics in the room was great the aclu and the president of the president - it was a good dynamic as a 27 year veteran i never it out i'd see those folks in the same room working together. >> it is remarkable to see commissioner vice president turman. >> on the 14 items was there a process to go forward to two of

the meetings or coming to us. >> a total of 24 but 14 in may that maybe workable that ultimately will be up to the groups the president and oh, so is idea is to you remember our divisors not everyone agree but have a good discussion and whether the disagreement comes to us a more narrow group of body worn cameras we have had been in collaboration with the doj the next step commissioner vice president turman always you know is will go to doj for them to weigh in and come back to us to bring to the community and ultimately decide we'll have to make decisions on those individuals commissioners and evaluate the option. >> one piece the doj are data

driven we're looking at best practices and asking for additional time to looked at what is implemented nationally on a federal level that meshes with that and may fix some of the issues and so when they show a is it back maybe a better process to get their recommendations and fix some of the 24 issues and rule them down so further meetings or not but if there are there maybe less issues of contention thank you, chief. >> commissioner i'll hear from everyone, everyone is waiting so long to be here. >> one of the areas of disagreement were some is of the issues has to do with with procedures that you know in my world i think of policies to be the sort

of like the statement and that everything else procedures are in place when your latino-american the policy people want to add more language into the policy that miff for instance, for training. >> we have a lot of issues out of the 24 quite frankly issues and how things are worded that is some of the 14 items whereas it is the words where that appears in one location negative impact an order by someone wants it in another location.

>> but there were disagreements were people putting things in the policy that should be more in the preferential manual that you're going have when you do do training not everything goes into a plo should be understood should be simple, should be you know anyone that reads it should be able to grasp what you're trying to say and once you move on move on you can expand on how to and i was feeling last week folks were trying to pit in they're the how to. >> yeah. there are like i said issues like that i think the doj may hash out the other see of coin we commit to take all suggestions and forward to the department of justice not just the stuff if the police department side or the

communities side or some of the other entities that participated the stakeholders minded everybody's view and see out of best practices what should be in under there. >> commissioner dejesus. >> i'm sure the stakeholders will tell us i don't want to jump the gun when it comes to tasers you didn't have a report the aclu the bar association and public defenders the occ didn't participate in any of those discussions they were understanding the tasers were incorporated the use of force so i wonder if i pointed out that out there was no input from those particular fwroupz. >> and in some cases there was not and some of the stakeholders my mind though didn't have the authority to act for the groups

in regards to that particular issue. >> i understand they were prepared it took a lot of studying for use of force they especially\feel they were ready to take on tasers that was my understanding. >> i'll say this saying it on the meetings he was not at the first meeting by people came in coming in with all covets tasers and the legality of tasers they were plenty prepared some folks in the present fox on tazer he saw information with regards to the tasers issue. >> so i'll let. >> he'll jump in hiring as the note just to clarify the point your making the coalition on homelessness has done a great deal of work and certain groups

provided information and others choose not to provide feedback that happened if certain groups and reflected the information we have so message furthers chief before we invite up stakeholders 5 minutes and piece and i was being respect but the coalition of homelessness but that concludes my presentation. >> okay folks if you can library up i see a bunch of shareholders from the bar seeshgs we'll start with the oracle she's representing the office of citizens complaints which is a city departments you've done a tremendous amount of work and you don't have to stay standing if this is not comfortable it's been a link night but hang around there

okay sandra well, thank you. >> i'll ask sergeant kelly shaw to keep us on track. >> thank you it was an informative progress we want to sxhendz the department many aspects of the is deesclation of the core of the policies and the prormentd it and a very realistic policy our agency is recommended many exponents of the use of force policy we agree with and wear glad the department has put those together and want to spend time highlighting 3 areas we hope will be strengthened we provided you a lengthy document as part of that i've looked at the policies across the country there all law enforcement agencies that have been with the doj they're practicing investigation consents or

working with cops in collaborative reform and that's why i want to highlight 3 areas again, we hope to see much more stronger language the first is a minimum reliance on force those words mean a lot from you look at across the country there are over 9 billiards if in their pool they're saying the department is using a minimal responded open force our own police department the commitment is minimum reliance on force not a new ideas in the event of in fact the santa fe circulation the reestablishing rapport and distance all of those covets tactics in training and the ucsf policy are bans a commitment to use force in the most memorial way why not have that at the

center of the ucsf policy that that when feasible and safe a reliable use of force he ask you to look at the across the country the department has used that language the past we ask the department keep the good language from the use of force and sxhurd that we've devised others language that really highlights the the minimum reliance on force and sanctity and the second thing should versus shall it 345kz a deficit dpsz in the forefront their seeking yes, we're changing how we're dealing with force their mandating and using the word shall mandating the deesclation and others tactics good consumption when feasible a so your agency and the community

groups what they suggested make the policies mandatory but, of course, get a qualifying language that permits the when not feasible but if for the mandatory we know show maples permissible an officer can decide whether or not from the top down we're committed to a new way of policing the third thing has to do with with passenger seat an gun at an individual i want it spent a lot of time it is frightening if you look across the country many law enforcement agencies that recognize that that does it circulates and remits the opportunities for officers to do other things those departments use the standard that is consistent with a gun being pointed at an individual that is

a reflex that the situation is circulating to require lethal force right now the departments the standard is simple safety a too low of the standard did fields operation gierdz the guides for krults that guides use of the higher standards if an officer's points a gun there recent a risk of serious boldz injury and that will be included the last thing i want to highlight there is the use of force department general orders on ucsf reporting i yes, ma'am polar specific language the university of california, san francisco data that be provided to the public and this commission on the website, quarterly to this commission in a yearling way and have that in the department general order no

reason to wait it will serve goodwill and transparency thank you very much. >> thank you sandra please listen to her. >> thank you >> next speaker. >> good evening that is electronically and welcome. >> you know there is something about all those meetings they've lasted 6 hours i said to chief chaplain where's the foods we've done them without eating and again, he didn't bring the food. >> where's the food where's the food. >> i'm julia electronically from the bart association of san francisco and what i hundreds you an all of a couple of our comments

we were within thought we doesn't liv our bar association has not studied that most of stakeholders felt that would be better to have a discussion regarding tasers once we roll out the dojs that significant in terms of how their reframing how we police and like to give the d go other opportunities our commission has the task force to study tasers we'll do that comprehensively and tolerantly one of the co-chairs of the task force has taken this on we'd like to report at a later date to true most stakeholders didn't participate so you don't have

the benefit of our commentary i want to talk about one thing that chief chaplain identified angle area with agreed or sdraurld i'm not sure the stakeholders completely agree with that number. >> right. exactly. the problem is this that the process was such what person doing protruding commentary and we were providing commentary and frankly we listened to each other in this process many of us thought of things others had not we listened to the police he hope the police lindsey to us and things that some of the stakeholders raised guarantee he wish i thought of that everyone brought something different what would have been

helpful to go through the areas where agreement and eastbound disagreement and i think san district attorney might do that from the prospective of the stakeholders that is an interesting addition for you to look at we know you're not in a position to make a discussion decision we hope we have the beneficial of seeing what the department recommendations from the department of justice recommend and perhaps another opportunities to speak from that my part i brought to the table i've been part of a world cup and chief chaplain a judge on the working group as well as we advised the ringing of and use of cell phones and other electronic devices are prohibited. police department we everything that is conceptual and while it is important to roll out new d go on the under surveillance to do that in the also known as

absent of training it innovate particularly helpful to make the kind of changes for decades the politicians have asked our police department to act as a place holder from a worry to a guardian and what the presidents called for in 21st century policing and others call policing and watch video after video of police shooting involving men of color and ask the department to do we need to do serious work we undertook and shareholders was serious we've gone to other departments with candid discussions about the prosecutes they engaged in don't have to look far we spent one with was oakland in the last 5 years that has employed body

worn cameras and reduced the use of force incidents by 72 percent their use of force dmraments by 44 percent and ross are the kind of prevent testify measures we need for your department for our city we look forward to continuing our work with you and continuing to offer the services of the bar association task force and presenting further once we've seen is dojs recommendations (clapping.) sir. >> good evening and welcome. >> with the american civil unions chief suhr. >> could you step closer to the meeting. >> yes. he can i have a link aversion to task

force and working group i started that with trepidation and an incredible interesting process and open process but i've had a different conclusion about where we are than deputy chief chaplain i admire i felt clearing in that room was a kind of a reflex and comes centers around the use of level of forces versus the reasonable force if he thought not a big deal after wlns to the you know reason defense from the poa and others officers of why they'll innovate accept they couldn't live in a minimal regime it is dishastening went to the

currently problem this movement is about i wrote and memo he was encouraged at the beginning of this process and discouraged now because i think that what you have front of the you is a document that gives some things to i am not i know there is a lot of pressure and politics rye you in the first page of the policy mention the sanctity of life but the bottom line is the toxicology supports in terms of use of force an outdated notion and, yes that is is constitutional floor but others police departments have duplicated minimal force and others police departments are proudly said their standard are higher than than the constitution you've done that in

the general 8.012 but here it was clearing said i'm not talk for everyone they don't want a higher standards i felt that the insists open repeating a pencil keys from 1957 in the penal code that seriously says police officers don't have to retreat is just a wrong signal but more than a wrong signal if you come out with a document that does on the one way or another and on the other hand, give something to the police department they'll send mixed messages and it is absolutely to this notion of accountable abilities you can't

holds people audible unless your clear if i want to continue the seam standards for 40 years you don't want to make a change it is even worse the document is two 19 nia until now a minimal force documents the drafts presented went to reasonable far as we asked about it under the advice of the city attorney the city attorney didn't make the decisions, in fact, the police department didn't make it so san francisco it the police commission makes the decision it is usual and the very reason you were puts on the earth is now the reason a exists is to exercise seven control of the police department i'm been overly dramatic but a moment of truth if i issue the draft documents with the good things

and bad things this can't be called a reformed measure not willing to the promises by the mayor's and commissioner president loftus and the chief we're going to react with fundamental change, in fact, i feel the document is a resistance to clank and i thought that was a good process so it's up to thank you. >> thank you (clapping.) >> good evening and welcome. >> hi fred bad actor commissions on homelessness thanks so much and commissioner lang not here for giving the commission on homelessness the opportunities to be part of working group question represent a constituency but as an

organization that works collaboratively very frequently with the bradyly city departments and members of the homeless community we were dismayed at the hardline that the many representatives from the police officers association took and this lack of acknowledgement this is a real needs for which was here in san francisco police department and a refusal to kind of recognize there is a next thing what guess acceptable for police and the community prospective was you know frustrating in other words, to forge true systemic change we recognize how difficult given that you have a very aggressive stance but is police officers association pushing for the status quo we

need to move forward with the indifference that incorporates wants i'd like to cover the first one airbnb the idea as amended the department is science moving back to the stone ages by using the word use of force it didn't embrace the sanctities of life it is the lowest bar the perfect thing that police should hold themselves to a hero standard than grand versus connor and police departments are using the world around minimal force instead of reasonable, and, secondly, this use of word shall versus should, shall go used deesclation when safe or feasible gives is police officers contingency situations that allows for the other

situations to happen the only reason that in our deconstruction of this not to use the word shall you want minimum to no accountability for officers there's innovate the reason for this language thirdly, we're really concerned about this crisis intervention team doj we've been told repeatedly by the department that and the commissioners that is considered a alongside the rest of the doj discussion this is not happened yet this is really critical for a number of reasons a lot of intersections with the 5.01 but the san francisco police department can't claim a country's intervention team fill it is fully operation listed we have half of the officer-involved shooting and

psychiatrist country's a consensus that is important now time to move beyond training and really fully operationalize the pieces in the draft doj that has been obstruct to the department are there that came out of the working group and fourthly would like to see the removal of the electric control weapons we called u call them that is really the wrong time introducing the weapons throws fuel on the fire those new weapons are not safe you guys have seen complungsz from me which i have additional ones they'll share an increase not only in into custody dedicates in communities across the country that introduceds weapons but a two-fold increase in

officer-involved shootings which is really flies the face those can be used instead of guns and lastly data critical we want the data on the use of force available for the communities that is commendable the department has taken on and the courage to take on the issue we ask you take not only the courage to amend the use of force that embraces the as an it's of life thank you. >> (clapping.) if anyone is hot i hope we're not voirlt 89 sunshine but it is the heat was turned up. >> i think i'm standing

underneath a vent. >> what a great heating system in city hall. >> good evening. i'm bryan san francisco police officers assigned to the district section i'm a fields offers and the vice president of the san francisco asian peace officers association he took part in the stakeholder members of the committee as well as prove body cameras a couple of things to point out regarding what we saw with the new policies we feel that the current 4.01 and 2 policies in place is a good standing policy not only protects the public but protects officer and over safety one of the key issues that was brought up mid-market first suggests the car rod needs to be taken out

now the can rod can be used like the video we saw i'm not attacking a person with a knife you're putting officers in dagger danger thankfully an officer didn't get hurt but how many times has angle officer tackled someone with a knife and got hurt. >> let's respect every speaker we want to replacement everybody let's treat people how we want to be treated i'm not going to tolerant someone interrupting others speaking go ahead. >> i can tell you from

experience and gardener he encountered respond with a sickle it is pretty much a u shapes machete we got that person into custody but wear encaretaker everyday it is scary there the officers and public the other issue the tazer as the policy the conducive energy device we want all officers to be assigned to be xoipd equipped with the devices they're a useful tool for patrol this is not a tactical patrol tool and only specialists on parole that takes i feel more time and where someone what about hurt waiting for the tasers to respond if an officer is equipped with a tazer

it possibly creates a better solution the 5.02 the use of fooirmz a quick figure paragraph that says all not shoot at a vehicle almost a fuel page you can and can't you can and cannot do shoot at a vehicle it green house gas emissions clear independence and the new policy it is vague and it puts like i said the public and officers in jeopardy i want to reiterate the cutters 5.01 and 2 the use of firearms protects the public and officers and going back back to tasers we

want to see all officer equipped. >> go ahead commissioner dejesus. >> you say current not the one draft but the one that is in place signs ever since 1995 the current 4.01 and 2 the use of firearms yes. >> so officer your position because i want to make sure i understand is that the use of force policies for the san francisco police department shouldn't change the only change to give tasers to each police officer anything else i want to make sure. >> i wasn't sure. >> any other questions for officer yeah. okay thank you.

>> thank you for your participation in the stakeholder group no, no, no, no. >> no, no. >> if you want to stay sir, you get everybody we can get through 24 show respect and please. no, no stop, sir this is my last warning if you want to stay thank you very much please show respect that everyone that comes here deserves respect respect respect this is the last warning i'll give servicing i will ask the deputy sheriff to escort you out this is the last thing i want to do. >> next speaker. >> good evening commissioner president loftus and director hicks i'm martin i'm the

president of the self-police officers association since is release of the ucsf draft policy the poa has been working tirelessly and extensively with the stakeholders and the chief and we will continue to do so we're certainly open for change based on best practices that are out there we welcome the best practices we welcome change if so it beneficial to the exultance that we serve and it protects the officers out there day to day that i want to thank the stakeholders for participating in those mooefgz and especially the officers for just the prides lines and asian peace officers and latinos peace officers and women officers network they spent a lot of time and we'll continue to work with them if we are afforded more time we

believe this is an important issue and we should continue to have the stakeholder meetings after the public comment and should go back to the stakeholders meetings i'm here to presents a presidential from the poa on the use of force policy ivy have hard copies if you didn't get it electronically and shared that request the department of justice and shared with other law enforcement associations throughout the state

we - we also xould about the police

officers use of training under learning domain 20 and finally reviewed the ellis policy by the u.s. pd and the plan and we adopted a lot of the language from both the police department draft policy and the thirty point plan the results is that proposal i've given to you much of the language in there relevance the thirty point plan and the current draft before the commission as that pertains to the effective communication deesclation, force options and sanctity of life all of these proposals i've put before you are primarily based on the best practices through california peace officer standards of training we'll continue to work with the commission and continue to work with the stakeholders we'll continue work or to work

with the police chief to get the best ucsf policy we firmly believe that the proposal we gave you is one of the best he know it takes time to go through it that's why i call for additional stakeholders meetings so i look forward to future meetings and the poa be the bargaining units for the range and file we retain argue right for the conservator or confer i'll take all questions. >> i've read it and dr. mraush so you are model what we did with body cameras it was ambitious we drafted a new deal and we put everybody in a room and said bring that back where you agree and drawing

disagreeable and - it seems from what i'm hearing it must be more difficult to get a consensus he didn't think people will come up with an alternative plan it is good to hear it is not working and as we hoped so, i mean fine we need to hear what everybody had to say what we're harvey hearing is something different from body cameras and there was a general consensus except two or three issues we have not heard from the doj it evolving differently so we'll have to continue to craft something and hope we can get

consensus florida from everyone we didn't get different proposals i was at that procedure that's my first comment from hearing all that. >> any other questions for president i have a question i got this so you're saying you don't want the draft i want to make sure i understand the the ucsf committee and the exclusive board incorporates much of the language the draft policy put forwarding by the chief and the commission and incorporating much of the language in the thirty point plan we believe this is worded best evidence rule or better and has language relayed to the supreme court decision and other court decisions yes. >> thank you so what we'll do with the

document we'll post it on the website and all the members of the public and the stakeholders can check it out and share your thoughts i do know the poa submitted a draft tasers proposal. >> in february of this year we simulated a proposed tasers policy yes. >> i read that there is a prospective your proposals are ignored by this commission i don't know that was a correct quote but for everybody to be clear if everybody gave their version of the policy that i'm already making an unrule process as could he has as possible i appreciate certainly the amount of forecast i know everyone will read it like but want to assure no stakeholders feedback is ignored by the commission and take all the thoughts including

we have been everything you've sent. >> i completed understand and know eventual will come up when conducive energy devices are discussed in front the commission i'm sure your proposal will be discussed we of time we have an obligation to submit policies proposals simply we're the designated bargaining unit and we didn't have a lot of any input prior to the drafts being releases. >> as you've correctly identified for the record you have residences our right to meet and confer as the bargaining units for the police department so i think the question was for the department to provide the departments request for tasers and this is the policy this commission will be evaluating and certainly we've been asked a number of

questions what to consider i imagine a robust discussion and we have your materials. >> i'll guarantee it. >> colleagues any questions any further questions for the president thank you, president. >> thank you commissioner president loftus. >> any i'm looking and scanning the crowd for any other shareholders that were part of progress okay. so we're also going to have a discussion i think their might be members of the public to weigh in we'll benefit before we have the discussion i'll open up for public comment on this matter by proposed comment. >> >> good evening and welcome. >> any further discussion ucsf

use of force an officer is not required to choose the best or remarkably action as long as the range of conduct that is reasonable under the circumstances and it is like okay tomato if you say that to me and i was a hoodlum oh, whatever he decide you're not telling me anything that is business as usual an officer any use use of force to protect themselves not more if exceptional set of circumstances not xhaementd by the over the officer should use any reasonable force to protectism, however, to articulate and reason and articulate the reason far the force so he's got to be

to manipulate and say to what you want to hear no change not any effort to hold this person be audible that only a way of doing things okay and sincerely by point of representative that is submitted by the police officers association not the draft. >> that's what i was asking. >> you emigrate this this is their proposal they shared with us your points are well-taken. >> that's where i got it from they're all the actual drafts i know that was a late edition thank you for your comments. >> do we have a few more seconds. >> it was with the energy source the tasers. >> we want to get the tasers and it was last week you know from the officers all had been

supplied request tasers instead of good afternoon. welcome i understand 7 officers that started they're deadly weapons so you're telling me if you'll 7 officers fired their tasers attachment this individual wasn't have lived is that your concept. >> that you know 7 tasers in one body and the guy would have walked away we need to work on the santa fe circulation we don't give them other trigger 7 tasers on one body. >> thank you sir, thank you. >> (clapping.) commissioners. >> >> yes. i'm from los angeles and lived in the bay area we have the same issues with the lapd as the san francisco police department and this is across the country it is

not gesture main to a particular city but i don't know the issue is tasers or or not but to stop killing people that look my case me and the racist i think that a right thing to do board is limited you folks or are the oversight of the police you don't have the same power the police have the next person that is gunned down the street because some officer felt fairs feared for his leave and not only has the san francisco police department but also that blood is on our hands also too. >> next speaker is there any additional public comment on this matter. >> welcome back

just a few things as far as the police over signed himself up to serve and protect this community and this city but you're afraid to get sliced with a exhaustive knife that's a perfect example of streaming and training and hire about what is going on with the san francisco police department i don't want anybody serving and protecting if their fwrad to get slide by a knife i was tackled if someone is jeopardizing their life any human being should be able to do that so what i'm saying you see those families here for years years you guys see this more than i see that then you guys some compassion and reach out to the families and these mothers that can't sleep you guys are held

accountability the blood is on your handicaps we'll hold you guys audible if i can't sleep i'm going i'm going to to make sure you can't sleep you guys sleeping and tired of hearing from the public we'll take to you the state if you can't do it we'll bring the pressure to you guys everything should be reconsidered and look at it from human beings request examination and understand that people are lost their brothers and sisters and sons and dauthsz daughters because of excess force unnecessary open children so, please i people of hope that stays on your conscience going through this family's going through that for years okay (clapping.)

>> next speaker. >> you signed up to protect us so my life comes first you all work for us if you don't want this job go find a different job but probably continuity get the same kind of pay and benefits sir, your populated to address your comments to the commission not any one individual any future public comment public comment is closed. again, some proposals we got a few minutes ago so let me start off i'll provide the procedural what i out the people of home we'll hear in doj indicated they

actually connected this commission for the level of open but they need more time to provider the recommendations at this time i i don't have a date specific i'll meet with them next week when 45ir in town and figure out the timeline i think colleagues i'll prosper an initial discussion so many materials we need to read and reread to make sure wear well-versed on the issues people are done so much work my proposal would be rather than having the plan was to go to two communicated meetings with feedback on the draft proposal my recommendations would be question found out when doj will comment to commit to look at the recommendations and have a

discussion and set future meeting shortly thereafter to make sure what we bringing to the public a reflection of all the stakeholders discussions informed by i's doj and get the final public feedback and take a vote which again is a preliminary veto by the commission that will go through the department of home sharing the labor process of the meet and confer with the poa jeer we will be taking your vote and go through that process like body cameras. >> commissioner melara. >> i feel that's premature we just got information we don't have a doj feedback question

can't once the department of justice gives us your feedback and be able to read all the documents we've been presented commissioner vice president turman. >> i agree with commissioner melara on 100 percent but particularly want to hear with the doj and others have to say about the minimal use of force i 20u9 that is where we or so i do want to read all that that with one let's bring on everything and bring on the decisions and i agree with both of the pieces my concern he know there was a survey of officers of one

thousand officers that were surveyed on the earlier draft and the feedback was negative this is an essential policy to the department and community in this process i wonder if we can identify ways you how many weeks to provide such accurate information about where the policy is and the intent certainly i think some of the comments i've seen indicated it didn't seem the members that were surveyed had a sense at at heart the requested that we can improve we can give the officers as much as a opportunity as possible to reduce the need foreclose all of these and that is good for everyone i'm sure that message is getting across. >> should i send out an bullet i'll start the unanimous visits

next week and having this conversation directly with the officers across the department. >> okay. no i wanted to second getting to the doj because clearly that is a different animal i mean at this point last time we had one document that would i wouldn't say looking back it at it several minor and two major disagreements but we think we should bundle this whole thing a considerable amount and turn it over over to the doj and what we did because they have their hands on the pulse ofmayor.

>> i just wanted to say i know ii agreed to process i didn't understand that tasers were going to be put into the use of force i hear from the fact working group at that didn't make any input we have this issue of tasers with no community input especially for the package that was given to all of us so we keep on moving forward and we really never crossed that threshold question do we want to add tasers as a weapon at this point or do give a chance for all the fact other deesclation and training and everything we've talked about this is a critical issue i know that people talked about whether or not we'll survivor or go forward with no community

participation it is only a draft i don't feel comfortable delegating the fact issues and taking that on as a separate and distinct issue those are my concerns i have got this over hundred and 70 pages read a lot of that have it we need more time i'm glad to have the comments we'll have not necessarily tonight, i'm surprised to see what the carotid. >> car rooted restraint is in there. >> possess for chorus train and it it got moved to only be just in front of a firearm. >> a lethal force. >> where lethal force will be otherwise justified. >> that's i'm surprised we kept that that the fact law enforcement don't are is it and it came from post.

>> my and we chief it might require to to be trained onion post required it to think on policy but i don't know they'll require it about be the policy. >> i'll defer to the commission. >> so those are my comments we need to talk about the fact thresholds question do we want this. >> i don't think 34 say this is a threshold question this threshold question not about whether or not we want tasers this is a larger conversation about training pool skills queer getting officers to deal with dangerous situations that relative if lethal shoofts as possible and good for the fact offices and good job good for the fact community the department has requested a bulletin which bulletins with written and drafted by the department we over the course district attorney have any say

in the chiefs bonuses that is at his discretion there is a new weapon obviously the fact decision is coming from this commission and so we have had an invited process where people were invited to comment on that order i would have by a preponderance if people choose to comment they choose not to comment that is disrespect they're afraid choice but to say no community input considering opportunity for community input going job agree with there will be look at extra time so certainly as i said from the fact beginning if there is something to be considered please share with us and we will pass that los angeles given that the 3 a departments general odors and the bulletin are together my commission one

gentleman said make a decision make a decision on it didn't that mean i have to support them but to say we can't have a discussion and be held audible did not make sense to me given the nature of the shift that wear teaming to do here and the fact that the department has requested tasers tobacco part of that so that's your request we as commissioners get to may i make your decision i'm not inclined to separate it. >> use of force policy says what force can be you did u used and a lewd what's covered the policy decision has nothing to do with the fact bulletin is

detailed how to use on a the fact field that's that the commission and you know i've made my point i'll not agree to a process without seeing the fact draft i think this is a separate issue by anyway, i'm not going to get into that hundred or so pages i'll continue to read them we should have more input from groups what the best practices off the record moving forward. >> the department actually making made a decision not to put the fact tasers they did a departmentability bun you're correct the fact doj are the fact provision of the commission i have to say to the contemporary of slipping something in there which is a lot of coverage shortly after the fact shooting of mario woods they'll use tasers the process

that was set up, in fact, i ran it to meeting with jennifer and sandy was there the department would be seeking tasers i sautd sat down we'll have an open process everyone will be heard and nothing like i said. >> through the fact idea that 1240u this is about slipping something there to say opposite everyone can say read this on the website any questions and time for decisions to be made >> so we'll have to agree to disagree i say that one one and you is it differently they can ask for tasers that's the decision the decision for that is before this commission. >> that i agree with. >> ongoing nothing furthers colleagues it appears we agree we should good job and vacate next week and be back in city hall we'll

have the first use of force - sergeant can he go back the fact scheduling of line items to d commissioned announcements identified at future commission meeting action. >> sergeant we'll vacate we'll be at city hall and we will reset overseeing communities meetings once the feedback from doj i'll provide the next timeline for next week. >> commissioner we've recessed the fact second meeting for april 20th the incidentally side district do you you want me to change that to city hall all that would be great if we, go to a station i know that was going

to be a focus on use of force the fact question would be from the captain and the community is ready to provide a presentation we'd like that if not see another station now more than ever to get out city hall and we'll work on that sergeant, next item. >> >> public comment on all matters pertaining to closed session including public comment to hold item 6 in closed session and any public the fact fact wear going into closed session sergeant, next line item. >> item 5 veto on whether to loosened item 6 in closed session the administrative code action. >> so moved. >> second. >> to hold this in closed session. >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? motion passes sergeant, next item. >> oh, we're in closed session

thank you ladies and gentlemen, and. >> commissioner president loftus we're back in open we have quorum thank you sergeant next item, please. >> item 7 vote to collect disclose or not disclose any or all items san francisco administrative codes action. >> colleagues do i have a motion. >> i move we not disclosure >> i. >> opposed? that item passes sergeant, next line item. >> item 8 adjournment action item. >> colleagues he would amnesty a motion to adjourn attendant in memory of julia turman mother i'll amnesty that motion from

commissioner vice president turman. >> colleagues my mother recently died the fact mother of 6 grandmother or of 13 a great grandmother of 12 she's just 74. >> . >> 5. >> oh. >> my mother was (inaudible) and it's an honor jcpenney in

here memory. >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> we're adjourned in memory of cle >> hi. welcome to san francisco. stay safe and exploring how you can stay in your home safely after an earthquake. let's look at common earthquake myths.

>> we are here at the urban center on mission street in san francisco. we have 3 guest today. we have david constructional engineer and bill harvey. i want to talk about urban myths. what do you think about earthquakes, can you tell if they are coming in advance? >> he's sleeping during those earthquakes? >> have you noticed him take any special? >> no. he sleeps right through them. there is no truth that i'm aware of with harvey that dogs are aware of an impending earthquake. >> you hear the myth all the time. suppose the dog helps you get up, is it going to help you do something >> i hear they are aware of small vibrations. but yes, i

read extensively that dogs cannot realize earthquakes. >> today is a spectacular day in san francisco and sometimes people would say this is earthquake weather. is this earthquake weather? >> no. not that i have heard of. no such thing. >> there is no such thing. >> we are talking about the weather in a daily or weekly cycle. there is no relationship. i have heard it's hot or cold weather or rain. i'm not sure which is the myth. >> how about time of day? >> yes. it happens when it's least convenient. when it happens people say we were lucky and when they don't. it's terrible timing. it's never a

good time for an earthquake. >> but we are going to have one. >> how about the ground swallowing people into the ground? >> like the earth that collapsed? it's not like the tv shows. >> the earth does move and it bumps up and you get a ground fracture but it's not something that opens up and sucks you up into haddes. >> it's not going anywhere. we are going to have a lot of damage, but this myth that

california is going to the ocean is not real. >> southern california is moving north. it's coming up from the south to the north. >> you would have to invest the million year cycle, not weeks or years. maybe millions of years from now, part of los angeles will be in the bay area. >> for better or worse. >> yes. >> this is a tough question. >> those other ones weren't tough. >> this is a really easy challenge. are the smaller ones less stress? >> yes. the amount released in small earthquakes is that they are so small in you need many of those. >> i think would you probably have to have maybe hundreds of

magnitude earthquakes of 4.7. >> so small earthquakes are not making our lives better in the future? >> not anyway that you can count on. >> i have heard that buildings in san francisco are on rollers and isolated? >> it's not true. it's a conventional foundation like almost all the circumstances buildings in san francisco. >> the trans-america was built way before. it's a pretty conventional foundation design. >> i have heard about this thing called the triangle of life and up you are supposed to go to the edge of your bed to save yourself. is there anything of value to that ? >> yes, if you are in your

room. you should drop, cover and hold onto something. if you are in school, same thing, kitchen same thing. if you happen to be in your bed, and you rollover your bed, it's not a bad place to be. >> the reality is when we have a major earthquake the ground shaking so pronounced that you are not going to be able to get up and go anywhere. you are pretty much staying where you are when that earthquake hits. you are not going to be able to stand up and run with gravity. >> you want to get under the door frame but you are not moving to great distances. >> where can i buy a richter scale? >> mr. richter is selling it. we are going to put a plug in for cold hardware. they are not available. it's a rather complex. >> in fact we don't even use

the richter scale anymore. we use a moment magnitude. the richter scale was early technology. >> probably a myth that i hear most often is my building is just fine in the loma prieta earthquake so everything is fine. is that true ? >> loma prieta was different. the ground acceleration here was quite moderate and the duration was moderate. so anyone that believes they survived a big earthquake and their building has been tested is sadly mistaken. >> we are planning for the bigger earthquake closer to san francisco and a fault totally independent. >> much stronger than the loma prieta earthquake. >> so people who were here in

'89 they should say 3 times as strong and twice as long and that will give them more of an occasion of the earthquake we would have. 10 percent isn't really the threshold of damage. when you triple it you cross that line. it's much more damage in earthquake. >> i want to thank you, harvey, thanks pat for . >> working for the city and county of san francisco will immerse you in a vibrate and dynamic city on sfroert of the art and social change we've been on the edge after all we're at

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