and operated oppose this is i'll read my letter we request you have a one by one replacement of pdr says that the supreme loss of pdrs will come back to haunt us if we're not - some may argue it is underway once again we request this commission take into consideration the negative impacts of the presidio on hiring and one of the unstable areas the city the mayor's office released a study to keep a range of jobs and keep a more balanced economy how we can do that if we allow the pdr loss approximately insist the developer change the flaw in the design instead of spec retail on the ground floor spectacle

affordable for commercial uses keep the bottom floor flexible to shift over time you this is not working we need a new zoning designation with flexible use or maybe there is one in the city that can be applied as prop c is requesting a remove the unaffordable requirement and more discretion of the board of supervisors in rakts to the change in the economy we may need more flexibility in the bottom floor commercial space the potrero hill has a wide range of uses the turnover in the neighborhood making that one of the more stable castro hill was a successful community that should be preserved and this property effects 2 of the most important streets in the neighborhood that connects to the rest of the city this plan

needs more work and please don't pass that thank you. >> hello my name is july 4th i'm more optimistic than shawn i think this is a interesting opportunity you have you have an eir that actually studied a viable alternative and you have a community that was very engaged in development of the middle shed alternative i'd like to talk about and also you this is kind of the first impression in terms of the traffic management going forward and you have this intersection which is just the embodiment of multi modes of transportation

and figure out how to support this. >> i have a couple of things to address one is multi modal transportation and the other one- so the project proponent i enforce the shed before an planning but given the proponent i strongly object have not proposal to take 5 feet of 16th street to expand the sidewalk instead of ranking the building away from the existing sidewalk this is 17 hundred square feet that they need to comply with better streets and pedestrian right-of-way and they're proposing basic they made 16th street more near and 16th street is very useful for all sorts of modes of transportation the

other thing we want you to do the exception from the on-street parking loading and putting a loading zone here this area is extremely dangerous i witnessed it everyday you have - it is beyond yeah. i need to use my time more quickly pursue don't create more hazards please deny that and also there is a credible amount of toxics in 2, 3, 4 area because of it's historic use and i wrote in any comment letter there was a whole week of a bunch of days at thirty mile-per-hour winds and no enforcement now in terms of the current construction in terms of stopping construction activities

during windy periods i submitted this in any written comments and urge you guys to look at enforcement of protecting neighbors from dust during construction thank you. >> thank you. >> mr. boss. >> good afternoon, commissioners i certainly agree this is a project that has been well vetd with all the community and thereer certain percentages prlgz i can't please all the time this is a fine project i do say i've been following that corner for probably 25 years since it was owned by someone eastern neighborhoods is not a perfect solution and has

problems we're talking about you talk about pdr, etc., etc. etc. and then there has to be continued work on this so by you know this is not this project is not deavoid of pdr and also i understand that the planning commission in the city is somewhat aware of that by approving the project which is in conjunction at this time with the cca that allows pdr in a bringing building so i think we can't say that the city is not doing absolutely nothing or anything and confined to it as far as affordability i hate to say this a designation for

too many people and drives the prices i'm fortunate ii figure out dog patch was a good place to live 34 years ago so the only thing positive my house is worth 4 the as much, however, i never thought about the traffic and had a hard time getting out of your garage so you know you take with the good with the bad i do think josh has been attending i attend a whole love neighborhood things and planning commission and so forth i always found josh to be taking notes and making changes to his plans he's engaged two extremely good architecture am firms first time out of shoot when he was trying

to work with kaiser kaiser didn't go forward because kaiser got a good deal at mission bay that's a bad place for traffic compared to having it here but you know - the mission bay has some eir and so forth i'm totally frightened by usf and we have to make that comment that they don't have to comply with anything in the city their a state agency they don't pay property tax or impact fees except we'll try that's i look forward to this project >> thank you, sir. >> good afternoon commissioners john well another thursday and a

market-rate project wow. i'm sure right thing to doed approved as part of the departments obviously relentless caption to destroy pdr especially the affordable pdr that is disappearing i've told you a dozen times and what your priority the baseline you'll approve with the market-rate housing we know parking even though this project is a short 4 or penn 10 minute walk from the thousands and thousands of places like the housing but the department the retail center rather than pdr prioritize let's more hip restaurant the one hundred we got last year is not enough your actions you know

argue what you approved is what you probably want and your actions speak for whatever words you come up with we poll the voters periodically on developments and last month we polled their opinion been the planning department and planning commission about the growth of the future and your approval rating is 32 and this approve is 4 your below the board of supervisors and the mayor in the charter allowed us to put a recall you'd be fired you're failing the city so, please don't plain to me when you find us resorting we have to take that route to guide the city's future because to meet the needs of the people of

san francisco today because you're not and this particular have you do issue is stretching across the board >> next speaker, please. >> i'm ronnie moved to castro hill 14 years ago mile concern of the degradation of the opportunity being missed not to have an architecturely interesting project which draws people to the community in the neighborhood the reuse of debris bus station was an interesting example what can be accomplished

rather than massive scale and massive traffic, massive unnecessary building that has been take place here now, when i stand on any street texas street i realize this castro hill has a gentle earth to wall 2 in it is happening damaging even though a perfect example is completely wrong to move a wall close is doubly wrong you able you to reject this project the hill has an alternative in the long run it is more interesting architecturally and create for unity in castro hill thanks. >> good afternoon. i'm james

a castro hill resident and a research scientists in the ucsf i walk to work and everyday he walk from my house on pennsylvania to the hall to ucsf that is fantastic stierdz the thing i want to talk about what is going on mississippi 17th street and 16th street the traffic there it is already unbearable every afternoon there is gridlock all the way to townsend street and so what i wonder is what happens when we have another her density housing development right at the corner of mississippi and 16th street i have not heard any litigation

plans for traffic in this area the on thing there is a business running along 16th street i think that is going to mitigate the problems that we'll have where we have this large housing complex so the question is, you know, what do we do? i think one solution to this is to just limit the number of housing units according to what is available with the infrastructure so our infrastructure i would propose to you can't support this housing development and i would strongly urge the planning department to be more i don't know what your confusions with the mta but i think that

overall development strategy in the city consider this is as whole so not only housing everybody knows we need housing there is a lot of people moving to san francisco no question the question though to develop the housing and at the same time have a infrastructure that supports this housing and so far as i know, that i talk to believe we have not come to the solution so i strongly urge to consider this project in the context of the infrastructure that is available thank you >> good afternoon. i'm joe

butler the architect i've been coming to the planning commission for thirty years it seems to me not a moment like this one there is an ifd a metal sheds building that plays a significant roll in the rebuilding by it's ability to frame steel building downtown with the after the 1906 san francisco earthquake mr. global patrick the owner the mills was the for man at the previous rolling mills at potrero point and served uninterrupted to the time he was given the material and machinery to take to the new site and located at the corner of texas and 17th street in the years that followed patrick and his son edward built a business from the people from

the old firm and integrating new hires from a limiting trade school that if they didn't build it themselves at least made the steel frame for it and he is a friend of mine and in order to have an industrial san francisco draw and execute the steel frame as those men saw as a the future their future is our future and to turn our back on that building no better pdr space if san francisco, california bar none and the buildings on 16th street and mississippi should be retained, the housing should be tucked into the site between what used to be texas street and points west this is the fabric our that put

together san francisco general hospital in order to do that he had to build railroad tracks from his plant up to castro avenue to bring the steel to that site san francisco grow and philosophized because the men had the ability tool make structures we've not seen before now what we we are doing pouring concrete we're in zone 4 when we have another big won those buildings will be damaged over the years this building has modified to a bunch of uses that's why in the dark of the knitted at the end of the day one of our commission said this is not historic it changed in appearance that's the point of a factory building i want you in support of melting shed and reuse alternative thank you for

your time. >> okay is there any additional public comment? >> okay not seeing any, public comment is closed. >> commissioner vice president richards. >> i guess for instance i hope since we'll be doing separate votes on the eir and the project we've limit our comments to one and another this will go faster a couple of points first there are times up here it may look like we're not paepgsz one of the speakers said our hours your throwing stuff at us we have paperwork come on over the railing and put 24 into a coherent process to ask questions that make sense and form opinions and have a logicalic, i.e., i was not looking i was taking notes it

looks like confusion as to what the a laxative no a conditional use to my knowledge and necessary and desirable and compatible doesn't apply to the specific approval and then the third thing in terms of trying to understand the eir and the make sure of the context of this project in the planning eir i mentioned and some of the comments the speakers made in terms of lawsuits and initiative i look at the paper i think it came in a day ago and have questions i'll start with any questions on the eir in terms of the planning or maybe provide ms. jones some context there were 3 sorry on the planning eir step back on the planning eir there was a abc alternative

; right? so which one was actually chosen and the ranks of development that was forecast. >> good afternoon, commissioners sarah jones environmental review officer the eir analyzed 3 instead of having a simple preferred project and alternative transportation instead destined is analyzed 3 potential rezoning as far as they are concerned, at a level of detail actions abc the i'll skip ahead which one was adopted what was adopted sierra club a rezoning story between alternative b.c. that deferred in regards to how much pdr land exclusively pdr land

will be provided versus how much land would be housing would be permitted and so each of the rezoning options predicted or projected a certain amount of residential development and a certain amount of non-residential development and pdr loss all the options are an exception of alternative a resulted in significant impacts related r related to pdr and no adaptation keeping the same zoning and allowing the development to occur will result in a significant amount of pdr loss in terms of the actual numbers i believe wade or chris thomas is prepared to go over what those

numbers were. >> from please. >> you can speak about the eastern neighborhoods and talk about the showcasing. >> i'm looking in the response to comments on page - well, there's a whole section an impact fees and the number of units and the number that is entitled in the pipeline i have the number kind of written down but go ahead. >> sure so in terms of the options as sarah was saying option c 3rek9 the net housing units were the highest i'll give you the numbers. >> is 9 thousand 858 option c and b-7 thousand 384 and option a was 9 thousand 15 units

currently total analyzed for the eastern neighborhoods in our ceqa documents those are their active under review and those are cases now closed is 9 thousand 749. >> so it is quite close to the highest number of opposition c. >> so let's assume we certify the eir and approve this project in 8 away from the top 9854 with a proxy with nine hundred more unit next week what happens we certify other eir what do we do. >> this is all new i think that is public is interested in understanding this as well. >> i can answer that question so remember those projects were analyzed in the eir were used for the basis of saefgdz the

impacts we projected a certain amount that we were 3rek9 would occur under 2025 and assessing what the physical environmental impacts and took the residential unit and not that i recall and figured out how much population that translated and assessed the impacts of adding that population so you know one piece of it operationally is that we are you know continuing to look at the impact have added population looking at the growth as a whole you know we're tracking both residential and non-residential but matching up and making sure the impact assessment is covered ; right we're looking at the impacts of the population that had been added. >> great. >> the second piece we have

continuing been updating our analysis with new information coming in and also with new programs that have been put into place you know in the 8 years sing eastern neighborhoods was approved weer taking a look at in our impact analysis and accessing the new impacts we're aware of we couldn't have been aware of at the time of the plan we had had environmental impact work we're making sure the eastern neighborhoods analysis on a pragmatic level with the cumulative impacts is still relevant that is what is in the context if we reach the point the project impacts are not accurately covered at that pragmatic level then we not be

able to issue a c pe. >> do you do that as at overall level or the sub level if you have an x number of units does that get thrown into the total. >> since we're really looking at the impacts around the project site and making sure that the project is not raising new impacts not covered the sub level area is the more relevant for some topic areas like public services recreation and transit those kinds of - >> could we look at the population. >> to follow up as explaining the total projected population under the eastern neighborhoods plan was 23 thousand 974. >> was that option c. >> no, it was the total population for . >> could we go by option like

on the units. >> we don't have that broke down this is a through c population total so 23 thousand plus to 33 thousand 26. >> okay. this is what was proenld and the analysis the ceqa documents the range 23 plus to 25 thousand plus. >> non-residential development do you have a rang we do the non-residential development option a was that million dollars plus. >> okay. >> option b-4 disquiet and will option c-6 million square feet. >> where are reauto right now, we're at total analyzed 2 million applause. >> great do you have pdr

office as well handy. >> we do under option a a total of 5 hundred plus square feet that was predicted to be lost. >> okay. >> option b-2 million plus square feet that was lost. >> option c-4 millions square feet plus. >> and we're at. >> right now, we're at one millions plus and one. >> so then a question i will have if we're looking at the impacts i know those are all analysis data points so is there a formula that is use if we are looking at the impacts for residents it is is certain fraction of units on the loss what is the formula you say we've exceeded is there a formula in ceqa that calls for something like that. >> i'd like to have that if

ceqa gave that guidance you know we do not have - we - i conducted our review based on our professional experience and our judgment and the data the data that generated we - we did not have a clear bright line this eir will that note work our topic areas we've supplemented the analysis for things population b we came in and talked about the splimentd the analysis. >> but i wanted to address one point that was raised in the comments that was i know we have a certain amount of the development in the pipeline if this project is approved we've exceeded the projections and i

do want to correct one issue that might not be clear behind that that was the pipeline as recorded in all of this does include this project and to conclude some of the projects have been approved the number of projects that have actually pulled building permits is much smaller. >> and that is the hard data we'll use. >> we have that information and are tracking that information just to try to predict when the units are going to come online and be there our feeling we'll have we've not - while it is very true we have a large number of units in our pipeline and that many people acted on the eastern neighborhoods plan zoning changes kind of all at the same

time it is if you look at the horizon that is 2025 we are not far off some of the projects that are submitted are many months away from assigned to a plan. >> there is a timing thing on the floor. >> yes. >> so looking at backwards which does this all baseline get started can you give us a baseline. >> the projections in the eir and analysis was saying what is the amount of development that will occur as a result of this rezoning we looked at the second impacts with the eastern neighborhoods with the project was the rezoning sworn looking additional development that could be electricity and occur you know to occur flat rezoning so the developments that was

approved prior to the plan, which was not relying on the rezoning was iowa's not attributed to the plan in terms of the projections so our projections are were looking at forward from post plan adaptation that means that 2008 which is the year that the plan was approved is developments after the plan approval we're counting against those projections. >> our baseline in 2008, didn't include projects in 2006 and i. >> this was the development this is the confusions the baseline in the eir the development on the ground at that time, under construction at the time the eir was in

preparation was put out a certain amount of development between the notice of preparation for the eir and the actual adoption of the plan that development was part of the cumulative analysis for the plan but not part of the eastern neighborhoods project we're counting whether the eastern neighborhoods impact analysis has that department not part of it. >> so in line with the permit where is that slowed down. >> in the pipeline with no approval i mean the reality the projects that were in process at this point by and large needed the plan to be able to go forward or have preceded as such, if they went forwards under the old zoning not counts under the plan. >> so after the entitlement was granted is that where you

draw the line. >> there was certain pipeline projects we're not counting these towards the development but they were ones going forward under the old role not under the new role that's the old rule. >> one or two more questions. the city attorney we have letters a question, please approve the project with over riding considerations and we must adapts those with the litigation measures any comments did you see the letter mirena burns i can't comment but your question is about the project and what requires ceqa has in terms of the project approval so you know this is as with any

project an irreverence you first have to certify environmental impact report as adequate and reading all the standards and requirements of ceqa once you've done that in adapting the ceqa finding for the project you'll have to make a number of finding under ceqa first of all, for any identified significant impact you'll look to whether you impose the mitigation measures recommended in the eir if for any reason not to do that you'll have to make the specific finding why it is equal assume you're going to oppose them then you'll do this through our adaptation the mitigation letter and reporting program you also, if you were going to approve the project reject the

reject them you can do it if you lay >> the social jeopardy policy reasons for finding the alternative to, infeasible and put out not ceqa finding that are included newer our packet under 15 a then finally in order for the project to identify significant unavoidable packet make a statement eve overriding considerations that report your decision that despite the fact the project has significant committal impacts you'll have significant policy movements for approving the project and the policy reasons can be technical social basic all the policy

reasons for approving the project with significant eir if you make the finding you can approve the project the finding are in our motion under the ceqa finding item 15 a. >> my final question we heard additional potential metal shed reuses, etc. from my understanding not a feasible way to do that where is the analysis around the feasibility come from project sponsor or have a financial deal with the numbers what is required there. >> commissioner christensen planning wade the senior planner ceqa requires if economic finding are made which the project sponsor put forth that a

financial feasibility shoed u study must be conducted individually reviewed and we did that here so the planning department staff with the expertise and reviewing performas reviewed the report and concurred with the finding and additionally in terms of the she had the significant impacts in the eir was related to intersection levels of service the metal shed we use alternative is addressing other changes to the project there are not significant impacts that are addressed by the metal shed reuse alternative we want to commend raise that point. >> sorry. >> further clarification sarah is correct but the melting shed

reuse lengthen else's the pdr impact so there 9 alternative transportation pdr impacts only the metal shed has a less of an impact. >> it will not be feasible. >> correct. >> thank you. >> commissioner johnson. >> thank you very much i'm thinking that because of the questions that commissioner vice president richards has i think we're moving close to the project itself i know that the final eir for this project is sufficient and it includes a lot of information with the analysis even though this eir would not be under that way of the changes for the los so i'm going to make a motion to certify the eir and what the conversation around the project i think there is valid

ordinances that we can tend to discuss about the project itself and about the metal shed reuse and the density alternatives that are listed in the internal revenue i think the analysis of the alternative transportation are sufficient second. >> commissioner antonini. >> yeah. he agree i think that the eir is very accurate and adequate but i the president to bring you think a quite a few of things ♪ issue it comes back i did reading and zeroing in on the issue of number of units in zalewski and other things that were spoken about i think you talked about an analysis of much

to showplace square - it didn't mean it is declared mentally approved or approved for building permitted or like that but of that number 1836 permits so just because something in theoretical in the pipeline i know some projects they never actually make it to us for the approval process if their fraufd they don't get built he ever every single building is in the project in the process including this one is actually approved and built we'll be below what was analyzed and the same thing

applies to the population figure that was something like 9 thousand 8 hundred and in terms of population and apparently those in the pipeline are seven hundred plus quite a bit below and also particularly with non-residential uses a million seven hundred thousand with 630553 speaks for itself that's the important issue the other thing that is for the day or night december 19, 2000, that's when the eir eastern neighborhoods came in being so 134ig missing that was approved for or analyzed before that point is something that was under the m y zoning so you got

to compare apples to apples and what was actually analyzed and for the eastern neighborhoods this is with reference to a particular area and once again when we do alternative transportation alternative transportation we are obligated not to consider alternative transportation it is impossible this was stated by staff and just because nevertheless of less sdruchs not the impact that the part of project that should be approved one can say if we have ceqa one hundred and 50 years ago they were thinking about putting in golden gate park possible alternative transportation it went as far as

cross over driveways and i know environmentally less invasive for the stench footing outburst to pacific ocean but not the most preferable way to go i agree with the analysis of staff that there's been many entertainment commission's and sheds not representative of what they were when they were functional sheds those are you think staff did a great job and in terms of traffic analysis taking into account what the traffic will be and this project is factoring in and realizing we're going from los to vehicle miles travels in the future but even used vehicle miles traffic the impact of the higher level

is not comparable to the vehicle traffics the traffic is 3 to 4 or early in the morning people are not moving around very much and a lot of it is traffic where people do live near but the people are using the area as conduit to get to other areas and that's what's happening it is very well done and supportive of eir >> commissioner moore. >> i have a question does the eastern neighborhood identify in any pdr building with historic protection in a manner that people at that time are considering it as being it needs to be reduced not talking about the american cap building the

converted enough towards a strong pdr use i'm talking about more like hard pdr core buildings. >> there were buildings identified the known and historic resources were in all of the eastern neighborhoods plan areas were identified in the eir and age eligible buildings were identified there was a sixth impact on historical resources identified as a result of the eastern neighborhoods area plan so it was presumed that the development would result in demolition of historic resources not that i'm aware of of specifically pdr buildings that were identified as being - this should remain in pdr uses in order to residential their interrelating, however, i want to chris thomas to clarify the

historic status of the project site as identified in the eastern neighborhoods eir because the it is my belief and chris correct me if i am wrong or gretchen from our preservation staff that the brick warehouses be building inspection was identified in the eastern neighborhoods pdr as a historic resource. >> so the office building is not in is sense a pdr type of building. >> i'd like chris or gretchen to come and discuss the historic status of the building. >> or wade wade with the department. >> the eastern neighborhoods - there was a lot of history of the history of the building the eastern neighborhoods eir identified a portion of the site potentially could be historic

they didn't specifically talk about related to pdr use and i'll concur with sarah not that i'm aware of of the building that were identified through the eastern neighborhoods eir was identified because of their - they were not identified as hectic historic - the site itself after the eastern neighborhoods eir there was further analysis that came prosecute the historic preservation commission that identified a office building was historic and not other buildings that is also unrelated to retaining pdr use in the future >> the reason why i'm asking it we're applying ourselves again

and again to no ground to stand on it happens again and again and again milestone my entire time in san francisco only one larger warehouses - this is the only one we have a cannery and deli square turning into something else based on what was there in the eastern neighborhoods we have hardly anything we have a leg to stand on here in the commission only conforms to the economic discussion it is about economic value and we use fitting the project of the developer we are losing out agreement and the reason for any question is there

really anything in the eastern neighborhoods which is presevereable and reusable even as the history that that mr. butler has a story about a person who did certain things at a certain time but in and of itself that story is not enough to preserve the building. >> well, for this building specifically the conclusion - the historic resource evaluation report agrees with mr. butler's history of the building of the conclusion of the building itself has under gotten a lot of modifications since it's period of the significance to no longer retains authenticity dignity so essentially broken the link which is an important part of

site and what exists there now. >> the reuse as a piece of memory are a piece of recognizing the importance the structure as much as we can do this is well done i think that is better done in many other buildings of that you're saying that's all - >> i'm only able to speak to the ceqa conclusions under ceqa there is not a basis to say the building has to be preserved or retained in the use in order to what is significant environmental impact we'll see under ceqa about it you know the assessment of the best that can be done not further retention of the building wasn't not go further

towards the resources the building no longer residence integrity as a resource. >> schematics. >> i guess a question to commissioner moore into my preservation then to my brain the aspects of district that are in the response to the comments pages one hundred 23 and 24 the question of the integrity of design and setting back and the district of workmanship is there a formula the dignity of the materials is the reason why not the historic preservation commission acted because they did shed was the metal was added to it in the warehouse - is that the main reason it if pass the

test. >> mirena burns they underwent- the mill opted out the site and alternated for a glass company from the melting shed to exposure or endorse them to metal glass for the metal sheds and adding the material around the perimeter of the buildings and so we felt that there was significant changes that happened specifically to the buildings that pa made them no longer maintain the integrity to maintain the site. >> the question going down that i'm thinking of the gray shed a different color but a large kind of balloon structure looks to me last week an open heart furtherance i came from pennsylvania if we ripped 9

co-gaited metal off that building is it concrete. >> possibly 3 has structure appearance on the revolver that is was it is. >> okay. >> so it still as integrity. >> we look at it in the current condition so other buildings you make alternative transportation but restore it and reevaluate it it maybe have dignity but under ceqa we have seen the changes. >> you on the changes that happened to the this on the inside say if we took the co-gaited and have a. >> i've not observed much of the interior but from the outside there is build outs inside but not open on the

inside maybe from the project sponsor. >> one of the things to point out the original building handbag inform walls great. >> it was an open shed. >> so we took it off and - >> okay. >> okay. thank you. >> there is a motion that has been seconded to certify the environmental impact report shall i call the question? very good commissioner antonini commissioner hillis commissioner johnson commissioner moore commissioner wu and commissioner vice president richards and commissioner president fong so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously. >> okay. so the matter of the

project. >> commissioner wu. >> so staff talk about the upcoming open space project in the meadow vicinity of the project. >> chris planning department staff i know somewhat about the improvement impacts just a minute so i think the most direct is the 22 fillmore priority transit and part of mta's muni forward program and the 22 line that runs on 16th street street, you know, is part of the you know one of the main elements that includes transit

lanes and island with traffic signals and pedestrian safety upgrades staff was in order citywide staff had the architect and you know planned for this improvement improvement to their dimensions have in what the final plans will be improvements both along 16th street and 17th street was kind of led to their sort of consolidation of vehicle traffic that a site it con strains you separate from this proposal but responded to. >> any i'm responder to the question of the structure keeping with residential development is it the plan

focused on damaging even though across the street. >> so jaufks is in the vicinity in the broader vicinity not in the direct part but the second actually, the largest open space in the broader neighborhood. >> just one clarifying question that came up in public comment what's the number of three bedrooms and the number of two bedrooms i will clarify that. >> can i put that up on the scene. >> so on the title sheet to be

clear about the pragmatic numbers of this project as a whole so in this chart as you can see the 1200 17th street and as 90116th street in the columns the totally in the third column the total number of three bedrooms it is 14 between both projects the confusion was that after the packet was published did project sponsor had communication with the neighborhood group and receptive to the count although not submitted in terms of plan that is where the sponsor to elaborate on. >> so is sounds like the project sponsor is open to that to reflect that. >> correct.

>> thank you. >> commissioner hillis. >> excuse me - >> so i think we've heard a lot this is helpful but put them into two broad categories one there were specifically issues will the issues itself with the architect and two kind of the growth that is happening we certainly seen we're familiar two the faces from potrero hill and seen them here talking about the eastern neighborhoods plan is being implemented but so first, i want to take the project itself and talk about some of the issues that came up about the project first i think we've also i've been on the commission for 4 years and tracking or heard or seen iterations of this project through the entire time and i want to say i think that is improved dramatically i think

that is one of the better projects that is earth architecturally seen this 17th street does the fact not two architects designing two different buildings but breakdown almost 5 distinct buildings a large kind of 16th street building and then the historic building on 17th street and two hour buildings are connected by breezeways very much distinct not to attempt to change the facade to make the buildings different they are and a little bit lessen is 16th street side it is monolithic i like the break it is wider than it has to be i think the

pedestrian passageway works in a good connection i i get it the point of opening the east west not an area that people want to travel but worked out to get to dagget on the hill that is a good part of project and will work so my two architectural issues one there ability to break up 16th street facade more in a authentic way it is a long facade there and you do change kind of after that break and kind of reverse the treatment of the building do i want to talk a little bit about and how that responds to the context in the neighborhood we've heard some issues as we see the buildings across the street and dagget being built

they're fairly long facades and you know uneasy how those projects look. >> i'll be happy to we looked at the project in the beginning with the architect and looked at the overall neighborhood there is a lot of variety in the neighborhood we pointed out some things of some of the buildings in the area and generally you're moving along 16th street and to the north the scale of the buildings is absent larger pear larger buildings also to the south the brewer 19 brewery is one of the fabric changes so i think the zoning that is implemented in the eastern neighborhoods rshgd that by 9 heights on 16th street versus the heights allowed on 17th street this is a good thing and reflects the fabric of the neighborhood we specifically looked at all of the elevations

we were working with the other architect mindful we felt that is appropriate on 16th street to have more buildings that are larger than 17th street but predicament scaled to 16th street and appropriate for the neighborhood we have breakdown into several pieces there is starting on the west side as i mentioned a is really taken two buildings and turning in 90 degrees west side a glassy facade that there's a lot of balconies and simple facade begin to see vertical windows on the right-hand side to scale as i mentioned the reduction in height at the center the site as you mentioned wider than the code requirement that he felt this was appropriate and gave you a nice look the one the building the

next section it did longest within the facade we've broke down into different areas if we pull up - >> not proerj but the - sorry. >> can he get the - >> so here you see this image this was the first part of building along 16th street to the west more terrace's and those brick walls and they run north and south to the right smaller scale and vertical bays that given to get to a smaller scale and the center is much wider we've activated that under the corridors and make it a

residential lobby and then as you move down towards the corner of mississippi as i mentioned before the longest facades of this with a rhythm of bedroom and leadership and at the far end a different expression to break down the scale and on the far left this is the only presented we've been working being them recently on trying to create an opportunity for central remnant but we be in this is important so a lot of retail and parts of san francisco gets shortchanged they've done a good job of having the space height we look at the proposition of the this go height 16 and 17 feet we like the idea of pushing public

school just to be clear there's the second story is residential but put it within the reference is stitches across the building. >> thank you. >> i think that helpful. >> yeah. i like the architecture i think the materials you use are appropriate and mroo along good and good job good to get an understanding of your thoughts of in breaking that facade up and had that debate how you built to the larger scale lots i generally think that you know it was successful in the neighborhoods pushing on the developer to keep that believe authentic on 17th street side and adding the shed building others on issue would the shed building it looks like we're building what was there and instead maybe a more modern interpretation of that building

and i think that would be hispanics - it's a great space that will be good it remind me of the shed more modern than what was there a little bit more interesting architecturally and so those are my kind of architectural mapping issues a question comes up of approve or disapprove and retail and the question for the developer you've got a lot of rob on the ground floor and he guess you'll be successful in what teaches retail use and could those spaces be used for pdr within the code to use them for pdr someone mentioned a letter some of the pdrs spaces could the

developer lease under the code the shed this that kind of shed building to allow that. >> yes. pdr is pertaining allowed in the umu they've promoted commercial retail and what we're hearing from the community outreach but i think this is opportunities to consider others principally permit use in pdr. >> the way the approval is drafted they can use that for pdr. >> yes. so it would be within the approval of the mental defects. >> mr. smith can i ask you what you're thinking on the retail spaces and the types of uses i know you may have heard in the neighborhood about wanting more retail about preserving some of the pdr. >> sure we've heard lots of

from people with opinions but seems like a strong consensus for the neighborhood serving retail spaces retail use like a dell d deli a ice cream shop a neighborhood serving retail use we hear again and again and the spaces on 16th street and 17th street are designed to be flexible terms of smaller shop tenants or some larger tenants who may need more space so if so designed to be flexible and sliced up for different types of neighborhood. >> are you on to the possibility of pdr use. >> we are. >> and then the question of kind of parking a little bit kind of the family parking i get it the ordinance i have 3 kids

myself i was thinking there's about 60 families in my twins class and you know if you do want i'd spend a lot of time on muni going to a soccer game but i think as we view in the transit structure evolves in the ways of getting around the city evolves it had been easier to interest no parking we're not there yet but we have car share and ride share this is going toga better opportunity to do that to have a family with one car or no car but you know we're not there yet so i'm torn on the parking by lean towards the ability to have parking if we go to the

requirement what does that do to the space you have one-on-one w in one building subterranean parking one subterranean parking do you needed or need stackers or - >> correct all of the parking in into building is below grade so there is nothing else that can occur in that area in the effectual there of the less parking in other words, not displacing any of the uses and there's no stackers being used it is not necessary and there would be storage or bike parking or things like that. >> we have bike parking at a higher than required rating at

one parking space per bedroom. >> thank you. >> and just briefly i'll turn over the time in the macro issues of eastern neighborhoods planning and how the city is growing we know more than most what was unhappiness with the growth happening and potrero hill and other spaces on the other neighborhoods this is not we did what you consider to side how you do the logical planning we approved the eastern neighborhoods if you read what the nuke district is it is naturally going to be housing we need housing so we can open up eastern neighborhoods but you know outside of this room when i'm out and about housing is the issue and the need for housing

whether it is affordable or market-rate we need full neighborhoods with pdrs uses eastern neighborhoods preserve the areas for pdrs but i'm open to debate opening umu you may that is 3 it needs for preserved from a policy stand point i think that housing is critical and important we went through the process and encourage housing the issues about kind of how development happens and that is fairly lumpy and happens not in all realms directing times of recession their driven by transit how people get around in traffic impacts a question for staff i know as we implement those plans we are working closely with the mta and had a

presentation by mta here you know but how we are looking at those transit issues and working with mta to make sure we've got the infrastructure and coming online naturally not happening automatically or vice versa all united states housing will be lumped in and one specific issue about owens street kind of dlaeltsz the traffic. >> i'll- your right the kind of lumpyness of development didn't coincide how we invest in the transit improvements so the 16th street project is kind of for lack of a better term a service along 16th street and

the third street light rail investment a lot of concern about the facilities but my understanding it simply opens and greatly will improve the efficiency may or may not be true that is what the mta is telling us they'll quickly have a line and the site i think when you point out the site is a about 3 blocks away from the third street light rail so i'm clearly this is the problem with transportations investments their capital costs and it takes for the mta to approve the costs for the projects they're in the pipeline and 16th street is laurel funded if i'm not mistaken. >> to get to our question in

working with the mta with the projects i'll say yes citywide staff - but also i've come before you the transportation sustainability program has involved an interagency effort how to address the new growth impacts on the transportation more specifically on 16th street there have been some changes that are already in terms of of improving the service temporarily and we talked about we came before the planning commission for an informational hearing and the mta talked about the transit improvements in potrero hill in october the 55 line now runnings along 16th street with an older version the 22 bart improvements that occurred i want to make a distinction

there are the capital improvements that takes but the major improvements from that project is actually the service from mta increased that's a huge deal i know that potrero hill is continuing the neighborhood is talking with mta as well as about the potential to the neighborhood and owen street tooivenlg the construction is complete but there the city bureaucracy about permitting that is still occurring that is not open like we expected it this year. >> thank you. >> commissioner antonini. >> thank you. we have very good project a few reflected in terms of the traffic impact we're discussing we approved the project and somehow we feel we'll see the impact the projects immediately that is

almost always not the case after approval we go through the permitting progress even from the project sponsor is shovel ready takes and sometimes, we get economic downturn and delays projects for years as brought up owens is visually complete and makes an improvement offender the on ramp and also discussed a third or half of a mile walk to the light rail on third street and one mile from two caltrain students the 2 street and the fourth street while it is a little bit of a hike we're close to a robust transportation and the other upgrades on 16th street will improve there's more

work to do with the high speed transit for 16th street and potrero hill that area the city needs more rapidly service the other issue that came up maybe i'll ask the project sponsor to verify the fact that a motion either i will make or another commission has 23 two bedrooms units and and all the units have two bathrooms i think outside the box had been part of motion regardless of what it says in the plans we have before us that would be a motion and the other thing that is for the middle-income passage thirty feet a minimum of thirty feet and that is much more than code will ask it is generous and also building on 16th street adjacent

to that fourth floor or top under oath that building has a 40 foot setback and agenda to the mid block passage a visual passageway bringing up that that is a good improvement the metal the brick building for that elaboration an active use not just an entrance is is a very good one and i'm completely supportive of the flexibility with the retail being used the pdr uses should they present themselves - also having a non-residential use my recollection the entertainment concerns with the entertainment facility that the resident might

object to the sound with warning of all rernlts about the entertainment in the area letting them know the uses exist takes precedence over the housing uses they have to realize they have to put up with that 16 percent onsite units and 23 percent in lieu because the two projects went the different ways and those figures are bmr figures may happy with the election and only higher union contractor has mentioned and contributions of about $3 million to eastern neighborhoods and $3 million to transit are among what was that presented in the total $79 million in fees that is quite a bit

and the setback on 17th street is very nice feature 17th street is the shorter building at 48 feet and 1668. >> use of transmittalize cleaver use i'll speak to the industrial use and are there i think that is all works very well the other things that were brought up that is a kind of dead area particularly in the evening a site of a lot of dumping and graffiti dark and unwelcoming twenty-four hour presence helps everybody in a neighborhood and so the 25 thousand square feet of neighborhood serving

retail or less than depending on what is pdr and as far as the parking he totally agree with the request peri think that is point a 5 parking we have a lot of units that are bedroom units and encourage the families with children if you don't put in at least one parking space is unlikely a family with children will rent this space i think that about having two generations of children and going out for on outing but not in time for the children to take their naps and sifting sitting in the garage and waiting for the nap to be over rather than disturbing the child you can't do it if having you have to park a mile away and certainly waking

him or her up the families needs parking if necessary have children the other thing that was brought up by the couple of speakers the project sponsor so agree to have a point of contact on the environmental clean up that's part of the approval motion but there are issues and we want someone to speak to if there are concerns and those are the main issues i sawcy i think those things can go worked out. >> commissioner moore. >> not one project in the entire area which people have not strongly october to this project does many of the things that we have 30r7bd in any cases not able 0 effect the change number one being engaging

multiple architects in a successful way not just kind of like dropping the facades vaurthsz but really trying to attempt to understand the site and the different challenges i know that is done successfully contemporary an interpretation is a reasonable word i think the shapes conforms and the successful vaurngz there is a lot to think about i'll agree with commissioner hillis concerns about the 16th street facade and partially because the problem of that facade was exacerbated by what is across the street any facade looks at longer than because the fact and when i look at the renderings unfortunately, the variance you're creating innovate helping me to not get

caught but the other side so i for that reason i kind of encourage and reinvite the scale of the facade relative to understanding all the scale when you look across the street that's an architectural comment as far as compliance i would hope that the required unit mix with the three bedrooms would be followed onsite but does agree that parking is required because the number of 22 three bedrooms is not tipping the scale of what the eastern neighborhoods envisions as a parking space requirement and given the fact there are so many units in the building it balances itself how the r out and the increase in

one bike per bedroom doesn't impress me two people are sleeping and most of them have 23 or 4 bicycles anyone bicyclist in 2, 3, 4 town have 23 bikes and there was smaller scooter and other things i believe that the increased for the bicycle for this area and after we went through serious learning curve of understanding t s p we believe that we should be strooj encouraging to stick with the code required amount of park so m itch with only 22 bedroom units it is a fraction and plenty the additional park with people to share will not be

impacting the success of those three bedrooms unit. >> what else the comments made and commissioners rewarding the ground floor retail if we have to meet the ideas of eastern neighborhoods the ability to reflect those relative to the retail interpretation is a healthy with an i can't believe that that much retail he everything can be ice cream or coffee or postcards or flowers so we know quickly from our own neighborhoods in allowing the project sponsor supported that the users can come yoifl so see

that has part of the motion interested to hear more that the historic preservation commission of the brick building i found myself unfortunate not in the distant past approving what i say a prevention and restoration of a historic building only to see that only reduced to a facade and hope this about not happen which i'll appreciate our hearing and confirming in this building in its dissimilar it will be preserved and not taken down you want to speak to that that would be great. >> sherry scott with the architects

and i'll direct to you to the plan if we can get that on the screen the brick building is here in the center currently that is actually inside the melted shed wafers the white space around the brick building is the entire four side of the building not just the facade but the left we have - the separation there on the backside is the open courtyard we have 90 feet of separation on all sides you'll preserve is it as a object not a facade and building across the street the off and on top it is no building on top of the brick building a rooftop open to the skooib sky

gun on all sides this a real object and not a facade >> could you envision what have inside. >> we're looking at a restaurant one hundred square feet not a big space by like i picture a restaurant will be awhile. >> commissioner vice president richards. >> several things i need to ask the pardon you know the building across the street mr. smith the building across the street is obviously already there with the same height and some folks are called it kind of a canned effect what other places in the city are you aware of two 85 foot building with the 16th street. >> sure there is a similar

condition on the corner of broadway one standing at that intersection looking at west on broadway there is an older building on the right the north side of broadway and a new building on the left south side of broadway that is similar condition i believe that those streets are 80 feet wide somewhat compatible. >> one in question donna you don't have any photos dowdy want to see what the buildings look like when they're completely the same across from each what the appearance will look like. >> gentleman different the

building on the right hand the - south side of broadway was built recently. >> any more that does somewhat look like a cannery to me. >> we have townsend. >> hill place square. >> the ever seen the little on the left and a mixed use building on the right. >> okay put our project up. >> please. 16th street view. >> so a little bit different maybe a lot of the same two buildings that are along with a

pattern i think there is a cut out through somewhere down there oh, commissioner moore's concerns in the final project we work with staff to break down that a little bit so it didn't appear a canyon i am sure something you folks can easily do. >> yeah. >> something our willing to do. >> great the 40 fiat feet the passageway to dagget park we heard it car republicans and . >> that's a passageway for 16th street and 17th street secretary street with the dagget park the code requires that be 22 feet high and up to thirty feet too wide interest 25 feet up what

we've done voluntarily made that 35 from gated all the way down and now stoops that project into that thirty feet wide at times as narrow as 26 by weirder than the 20 foot width the code requires and as mentioned previously set back the top floor of the 16th street building on the west side 10 feet so at this time a 40 foot wide opening and the stoops are there to activate. >> that's right provides activation. >> some flex space versus pdr spates maybe the staff can tell you the difference a dedicated pdr flex in the code.

>> flex is like certain accessory provisions for the between a single contributor person architect and in a house would be a like a permitted use and a flex space allows you to broaden the definition to the public can came in a storefront but the core of the unit of the space is a dwelling unit. >> and you have 6 flex spaces. >> 6 of them all of them are required i believe to have assessable bathrooms as a commercial space so they could easily be a commercial space for i wanted to say a modern basically folks that live and work there or artist or something could be commercial not just residential but it permits it bike toad coding to be commercial.

>> you have to live there. >> that's correct. >> i think you have to live there and by depiction because of the flexing it legally had a commercial use. >> sure when i came out to the pond grove flowers it was probably didn't use that space they have deliveries coming out erica you see a flower going to a flex space. >> difficult keep in mind the bike lane that is call the roll on 16th street as art of the changes of the eastern neighborhoods is being moefld of moved and relocated to sfreert that will do that will eliminate all the parking on the north side of 7th street where those units face and the loading areas no loading or parking on the 17th street you included in the

plans as i'm sorry defected. >> the condition to be look at fib one point to see what that looks like if you go 6 blocks further west to 16th street and kansas city at a point heading west. >> so our loading zone on mississippi to the first flex unit the leanier feet will be how much. >> 80 foot loading zone that services both the residential and retail in the metal shed. >> so floors instead of the production line because literally across the street we had a space the litigation 0 project on 16th street our thoughts on what afs community was asking for for a contact

point and sure the pencil contact point we'll be happy to have that and mentioned in the public comment. >> something we'll agree with. >> we'll have to comply with the ordinance and okay. >> we went back and forth on the historic sixth of site one thing i know i was thinking when i shot this over to you i think we need to honor this path by putting up trellis and put up placards so people understand what is the water tower or something like that you'll willing to do. >> absolutely. >> i'll ask if this project goes through to completion you

work with mr. butler or other folks on that so the loading zone we covered was 40 feet why not one hundred and 20 why not 60 why is that the magic number. >> after working with the city staff in terms of there is a balance between having loading that is serving project but also the longer the loading zone the, of course, it taxes up additional parking spaces that is to accommodate two medium sized commercial vehicles without encroaching on the street parking. >> maybe you've followed this any projects we've improved built within a quarter of and i a mite mile very loading and

unloading drop off and pick up. >> yellow zone. >> other projects within the quarter of a mile do they have a the same set up that is 4 hundred unit. >> wade planning department staff i believe that dagget has goal loading zones which is obviously across the street other projects a quarter of a mile i can't speak of specifically but in general we're seeing projects of this type of with 0 off street loading. >> a restriction on mariposa. >> i don't know. >> there was a big one and i've been told it is all on street loading. >> maybe mr. smith any way to

have a little bit of off street loading. >> we actually have a few look at the plans for the 16th street building an off street loading dock for the commercial space so as to minimize disruption on mississippi street to a long time with the engineer to make sure it is well-designed and designed to create minimal interruptions on the city streets. >> so i move into one of the building i pull my haul is there a place to unload into the elevator instead of the loading zone. >> depending on the size of the you hall we'll had loading

near the elevators where residents could pull up their u-haul and load or unload obviously if so per one of the 3 bedrooms with a large truck 345i6r7b9 fit into an underground garage but assuming that is a regular sized u-haul we'll create a specific loading and enloading area in both the garages. >> something you agree to. >> yes. >> great on the parking i maybe in my infancy land with light and air by allow flexibility it is 41 spaces. >> yes. >> i think that a good way strict a balance or give back it is subterranean i don't know

what you'll do but offer more car share. >> currently we have 5 car sharing spaces we'll increase that. >> mr. eric on the van ness project went back and forth 5 to 10 and 4 to 12 were created. >> sure. >> that will mitigate concerns people are not constantly they need a car share space. >> on the place in the pillsbury he like it and maybe i like it. >> thanks. >> i don't know. i wouldn't want to do anything with that so i i feel comfortable making the motion to approve with the continents we continue to work with staff on the massing the

appearance of massing on 16th street. >> the articulate. >> the articulate sorry on 16th street do have a hazardous material litigation plan that the community has waisted the person and a concessions there is an interpretive element working with mr. butler and his staff, car sharing go from 10 to 5 and you establish a loading and unloading with the two garages so they'll move their sofas in front of the shed and have brunch people do not - the last one of the number of two bedrooms commissioner antonini. >> 22 two bedrooms and, 23

week one hundred 46. >> commissioner moore any thoughts open that. >> some of us talking about the patricia parking. >> i'll talk about that we're making some into car sharing. >> i'm sorry have you spoken yet. >> no, no, no that's fine so, yeah i agree with everything in the motion i'll okay with the parking and the car sharing i'm okay with the parking as requested and just going to say we had one commenter talked about expanding one of the public assess from the 20 to 40 something i'm not sure that we need to do that i think between the public and the private

assess space enough open space throughout the property but think want to make sure the project sponsor has some open space ♪ this schematic the private ones in the north-south is appropriated so i'd like to have the amuse for the public seating >> okay. he accept. >> sorry i accept what commissioner johnson has proposed. >> yep that was the only thing i don't consider flex units to replace the pdr but the project sponsor agreed that the spaces are outfitted. >> can i ask a question.

>> one question sorry on the retail space he forgot it i know a paramedic was mentioned does retail formula require a conditional use in this site. >> i don't believe in this zone rich. >> so formula retail use is required in the mixed use. >> okay from. >> thank you. >> if i may i want to add one more item for classification chris townsend planning department staff with regards placement the applicant makes standard represents as a few recommendations embedded under the design compliant that planned stage so those are for your consideration to include or not included in the final motion. >> definitely want them included. >> and the sponsor will accept

those conditions. >> okay commissioner johnson did i have anything else. >> no commissioner antonini. >> yeah. the other thing that may have been in the motion we'll allow the flex spaces by the retail to be pdr should that be possible. >> that is principally permitted. >> just making sure we're clear on that and i think ross the oh, yeah. the other thing we have a motion that includes both parts a motion for accept the ceqa finding overriding considerations as well as the request for large project authorization we're taking them together. >> talk about the park we're increasing the car share but

basically proposing code compliant parking. >> i was allowing the project sponsor up to 35 more spaces they gave 5 back to the car share but under the impression loading and unloading downstairs you might have to cut a few more. >> you're not creating loading and unloading downstairs but creating a drop off for someone from the elevatoro to create a low grade for the ceiling height ramp that is different than the building the loading had occur at a normal loading and unloading at the curb moving advancing it obstructs the deliveries to stores, etc. but all you're doing is creating the place you can stop our car and get a baby carriage to the slate neat not considered to be

basically common kersey. >> but it eats up two or three parking spaces. >> i personally building that given everything that we have gone through regarding the tvpsz 27s this is not the time to increase of what - i don't see that reason particularly in the student given where we are given the description iowa he know that happening open 16th street we know that so how can we possibly sit here and increase the parking space rash that continues towards the tps policy we're supposed to move into. >> i i cannot support of

project with a type of accommodates. >> so commissioner antonini. >> yeah. i'm supportive of the motion and i as i understand whatever the project sponsor asked for as far as parking the findings has 10 he can go for the 12 will be car share spaces those will be subtracted from those individually assessable to fissure total number. >> commissioners to the point of the deliberations the maximum amount of car share a 10 per the code so only provide 5 accessory car share spaces in addition to what they're required to provide onsite. >> 10 it is number. >> a question he envisioned the loenld mr. smith found under the ground i was imagining

pulling up the second largest i mean the second largest walk to get the clearance and i've lived in buildings you don't want that on the sidewalk especially during the month that people have brunch on sunday talk a little bit about how getting in and out with a u-haul not an - >> sure as you suggested for moving vans and trucks living in smaller studios with one bedrooms they'll be able to drive the smaller vehicles into the garage additional use a loading area near the elevator to move their belongings in and

out of that vehicle directly into the slate and up to their unit for the larger units - the two bedrooms and full bath and he did three bedrooms 3 full bathsd depending on the kind of vehicles they may or may not be able to drive that vehicle into the garage and had had same thing as from the second they were using because it is a larger vehicle that was not able to fit spot subterranean garage they'll use on the on street loading zone. >> i believe - i believe that is 12, 11 for 12 for a commercial garage. >> okay just to be clear i sidewalk right loading zone on mississippi. >> there are two of them. >> correct 3 parking options if you're

coming and loading and unloading. >> correct. >> commissioner hillis. >> just on the parking because i didn't hear all the sides i'm supportive of this additional parking i gave you any reasons the exceptions we have a theory to create two bedrooms and somehow single-family homes with living there i question that is happening in the city and i think this project has made a more accelerated effort to make the unit attractive they're larger and three bedrooms and two bathrooms and i think where it is located it is not on market street in market octavia it is there's going to an a need it and attractive the families for a parking space for those 2 and three bedrooms i don't see that has precedent setting he wouldn't want it to

be i think will be good i'm supportive don't to see if this actually encourages we won't have data but we need to look at ultimately do our two bedrooms and other projects toxic the families in doing things like that does it attract more i'm supportive of the motion as it stands. >> commissioner vice president richards. >> i'm looking at the u hall van i was referring to say 6 foot 2 from the combimger to the roof and 2.6 from the bumper and that's six or eight a foot less than the clearance is so it looks like it is possible potentially i could look at those and give another foot to - >> commissioner moore and the

reality of the residential moving in san francisco other than a friend to help you rent a u hall large trucks are parking for a monument of time and people that move out of space they share the space you'll have to basically expect that large moving vans will be parking at the curb for a resemble amount of time and most of the people don't come during the sunday brunch you'll accept them it is what it is but the reality of moving most people most of their things in large vans and they don't go into - i don't want to argue but this is normal i want to accept that is as basically a real condition. >> the house next to me sold the

people moved in within one big van and came two or three times they didn't bring an 18 wheeler it happens but usual one a one or two trip. >> strangle i do so many trucks around. >> commissioner wu. >> commissioners, if there's nothing further, we'll move on to a there is a motion that has been seconded to adopt ceqa finding and authorize the large project with conditions as amended by the commission to continue drinking staff to continue excuse me - directing the project sponsor work with the staff on the articulation along 16th street to develop a hazard mission plan for an