again by another $3 in 17-18 from $44 to $47 in fy 17-18. again, we have the same recommendation that we made on the first item. we revice to report to budget and finance committee instead of separate legislation and recommend you approve the files as amended. >> thank you mr. rose. any questions? any comments on the recommendation? >> we agrie with the budget analyst. >> move to public comment. anybody wish to comment on item 18 or 19? seeing none, public comment is closed. we have recommendation by there budget analyst. comments, questions, motions? >> motion to send forth to full board with positive recommendations. item 18 and 19. with budget analyst recommendation.

>> motion accepted budget analyst recommendation. motion by supervisor tang and second by supervisor yee without objection. item 20 and 21. >> item 20. [inaudible] control board [inaudible] waste water revenue [inaudible] item 21, ordinance authorizing issuance and sales of tax exempt or taxable waet waster revenue bond in [inaudible] public utilities commission in principle amounts not to exceed 1.1 billion to finance the cost of various capital waste water project benefiting the waste water enterprise. >> thank you very much. >> eric sandsler, 20 and 21 are

similar to the legislation you heard with respest to waste water enterprise. two year capital appropriation for the next 2 fiscal years and funding authorization for those capital appropriation and total 1, 112, 601. that concludes the presentation. >> assume you are okay with the budget analyst recommendation? any comments? >> on the bottom page of 34 of the report we note that the proposed projects are included on page 37 of the report. page 35 the sfpuc bills for

water and sewer bill. the average is $86, 40 is water and 46 is sewer. according to the 16-17 to 2526 financial plan the puc plans 7 percent increase in sewer rates in fy 16-17 and 11 percent increase in sewer rates in 17-18 to cover the waste water enterprise operating and capital cost. the puc estimates that the average monthly residential sewer bill increases by $4 in 16-17 and by $7 in fy 17-18. we have there same recommendation thatd you amind file 60471 to require the sfpuc to

submit report on budget and finance committee on the sale of the bond. we recommend you approve. >> seeing nobody for public comment, it is closed. >> like to make a motion to approve item 20 and 21 to amend with budget analyst recommendation and send both to full boret with positive recommendation. >> take those without objection. colleagues, we are-we blew through 21 items in a hour in 20 minutes. we are going to go into recess until 4:30 p.m. where we will have a joint meeting with youth commissioners so with that, we are okay, welcome back from recess. we are ought our regular scheduled

boferd supervisor bijt and finance committee meeting. thank the youth commissioners mpt supervisor yee and are not here. call item 23. >> item 23, hearing to receive update on san francisco youth commission policy and budget priorities for fiscal year 2016-2017 and 2017-2018. >> thank you madam clerk. we have the youth commission here to share their priorities. welcome and thank you for spending the time and putting together your packet. want to welcome you up to make your presentation.

>> good afternoon budget committee u , thank you for having us. i'll jillion lieu. our charter duty to present to the budget and finance committee the budget priorities this year. there are things we have been working on this year and things we hope for the youth commission working on next year and into the future. i'll present the first budget priority which is investing in education and engagement of young voters. we would like to thank you again for sharing the chamber with us in the first youth xhirgz board of supervisors joint meeting and voting this into the november 2016

ballot. so, as you all know i won't go into history explanation of what vote 16 and this priority is, but briefly go over updates such as 16 and 17 preregistration opportunities [inaudible] work as poll workers in the june and november election and school district and board of education promises to step up the [inaudible] crimulum and stuntd registration efforts in public high schools. our recommendation is we hope that vote 16 passes this november even if it does not we hope the board and mayor lee encourage voter par tisitation especially in 16, 17 and young voters which are historically low voter turn out. partner with the school

district registering students to vote and exploring opportunities and supporting already existing efforts to allow 16, 17 year olds to vote or encourage them to vote such as youth empowerment [inaudible] created in the youth commission and you may have seen this speak in the cojoint meeting. they have done a lot of work to get the initiative where it was. theyprinted two different leaders to community members and work behind the scenes and like to thank them as well. moving to commissioner lee recollect on the next priority. >> thank you for having us today. i'm commissioner lee, district 4 commissioner and our second priority is engage youth and community benefit agreements and community

benefit districts so the youth commission has championed youth choice while investigating the [inaudible] better support youth, we hosted a town hall and returned with a wide range of asks, there were about 20. we thought there was no better way to encompass young peoples perspective than having a youth representative sit on the citizen advisory committee. so, our next priority results from one of the most popular requests of the town hall that i mentioned earlier and that is more work force development opportunities especially from technology communities. some of the companies have already done work in the area however, work force development is a priority. in

the 2014-15 fiscal year [inaudible] had 30 percent more participants that expected so we met with office of economic and work force development to see how well we can work with private sector companies to create more work force development opportunities and they told us a lault of these companies are willing to work with us so we want it take advantage of the many technology comps companies in san francisco. i'll pass it over to the next commissioner. >> good afternoon budget and finance committee, thank you for having us, my name is [inaudible] from district 10. i will present priority 4. we ask the board of pr visors invest alternatives to building a new jail. last year the full youth commission we

supported to not have [inaudible] a lot of youth came out to the hearing we had from youth experiences who experienced parents of incarceration and how that directly impacted their lives. we came to the conclusion to oppose the detention center. so, for -there is adult young court which is established in the process of last year 2015 where from the ages of 18 to 25 year olds are accepted into the program. this excludes homicides, gang and gun violences offenses also. this is a way to invest in the youth and give them another chance which is a great way and alternative also. we want the

city capital investment to reflect the values of young san franciscan responsible for paying for jails and jails would cost a lot of money. recommendations we ask the board of supervisors invest to alternative [inaudible] considering there are a lot of youth in the jail population. and also we provide need services for non detention settings and include minuteal health, job placement, educational resources. and as for the priority 5, we ask the board of pr visors also include services for [inaudible] incarceration is the most adverse childhood experiences and there are [inaudible] so, we have 3 areas so one is time of arrest. there is a

department general order 7.04 which is the police commission [inaudible] which is just police officer making sure there is [inaudible] when is a parent is being arrested if the child is present. also visitation policies so communication barriers are a challenge with children with incarcerated parents have so we ask that support is also [inaudible] visitation. [inaudible] county jails. we had met with sheriff hensy committed to supporting this. finally, school district support. sfusd has committed to support children with incarcerated parent and implementing a [inaudible] for

our recommendations, we just ask that there is expanding and training of department general ordjure ask it is actually implemented and really follow through and continue to advertise and evaluate [inaudible] support communication between the parent and child and the school district [inaudible] focus school districts and yeah, just helping them out. and i'll move to priority 6. >> good evening supervisors. my name is jeo vona sotey and district 9 youth commissioner. increase service and support for homeless youth and declare 2017 the year of recognizing homeless youth. so, nationally there are about

over $300,000 homeless youth. we have recommendations to solve this problem. the first is declare 2017 the year of homeless youth to know homeless youth are not bad and erase the stigma they are run aways. we want to dedicate staff to help homeless youth at the new department of homelessness. we also want to revisit the youth homeless count because if you see the numbers from the different reports there is a lot of variances which the numbers-we get a better system for that. our next priority is to fund and complete the transitional age youth housing plan and [inaudible] there are

approximately 8,000 youth in san francisco and to combat this issue in 2005 mayor newsome created a national transitional age youth task force to help the city support the youth and create a housing plan. it is supposed to be completed in 2015 with 400 units but there was a lot of neighborhood opposition and the recession happened so there want time and money to make the units. and there are 730 unit that need to be identified and our recommendation is we complete the goal of 2015 housing plan and that we make a new one to make sure there is enough housing for everyone with the current numbers. we want to plan budget for the on site supportive needs

of tay and supportive housing and address tay housing. we want promote learn wink the tay population so they know their rights and can have things like credit history and yeah, all that stuff. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> so good afternoon supervisors. [inaudible] current chair thof youth commission and one of 6 appointees. for priority 8 we ask the may rs aufs and san francisco boardf supervisors look into had expanded youth fund and allocation for tay services. the childrens funtd was expanded

with 73 voter approval. the childrens fund received additional funding and as a result after school and youth programs have been implemented but as a consequences we have not seen the same amount of allocations for tay services, so as our policy recommendation and as our recommendation to all of you is that you look into the different possibility to expened the childrens fund to reflect the amount of tay services needed within the city and we see a proportional amount of tay funding allocate #d to the same amount of age groups funded under the childrens fund and other allocations. thank you. >> moving to priority 9. we also ask the board to insure there is respective relationship with sfpd and youth in

general. the youth commission has met with the police commission and as paresult of that there is also the mou which will-the relationship between ros's and the school district. the only recommendation we have, there is ongoing relationship with sfpd and youth and ask there ask de-escalation and training strategies youth can interact because you have been protested when alex neito and mario woods shooting this year and present at the youth forums hosed by [inaudible] and also the police commission.

>> so, for priority number 10, we ask the mayor and board of supervisors to look fl to methods for implementing successful [inaudible] as you know, 12 n is a administrative code policy since 1999, but for reasons for better or worse, we have seen it is a severely under funded mandate. in 2014 the youth commission and supervisor avalos held many works groups to see what the issues were particularly with 12 n and from the conversations held it was noted that what really need today be implemented is funding. money city departments that primarily serve use such as dpys and jpd would like a tracking system that identifies lgbt youth and see the different services but the implementation isn't what we expected or ask in the years past so

like to see this policy revisit and see for ways city family can come together and have successful implementation. >> so our 11th priority is continue support for free muni for youth. as you know the youth commission is working for a long time to make sure free muni is accessible for all youth and we have seen really good improvements in the ridership of youth with less fair evasion and using clipper cards so we want to make sure this stays on the budget. yeah, so we are grateful for support of the board of supervisors and mayor and google and want to ask you guys to continue supporting it and to commit to keeping

the funding. thank you. >> for our 12th and final budget and policy priority, we ask the mayor and san francisco board of supervisors continue to support city college of san francisco so it is open and accessible and democratly run. as many knhoe, city college has been under attack for accreditation and caused a mount of concern as this caters to a lot of under represented communities. most recently after an injunction filed by the city attorney, dennis her reaa the institution was granted a two year period to come fl to compliance after a debate between [inaudible]

decision and many community advocates that advocateed for the college not to be closed. the college is under a 2 year period to come into compliance and ask that the board to continue for ways to continuely support the city college of san francisco. as a result of the accreditation crisis many student have dropped out of the college. the enrollment dwidled. many people were not happy to see the democratly elected board of trustees chs revoked but recently put into place and ask to continue to keep an eye on city college for potential future debates which it is accredited and open access institution. thank you. >> i like to thank you again

for having us and i hope that we continue to work on these priorities with you further and if you have questions or comments about any priorities. >> thank you very much. colleagues. supervisor tang. >> i just want to thank you for all the time you put into this incredibly detailed document. i look forward to reading the supporting details behind your budget priorities and it is helpful for all of us to hear exactly what your priorities are for the upcoming fiscal year so want to thank you for that. this is really great. >> i aults want to acknowledge the youth commission. this is one of the most impressive presentations i have seen and really comprehensive and touches on the important ish oo as we are facing in the city and talk about at the boferd supervisors. i also you

know, something that i would love to see in terms of priority 9 working with police officers, i would love to figure a way to get nor san francisco student into sfpd. it is good job but we know residents that grew up here can serve the communities better because this is their city and they are familiar with our diversity. now that we have ethnic studies and lgbqq studies in the high schools are getting the education they need beyond the communities they live in so love to the work with the youth commission to figure how to recruit more san francisco youth residents especially young people because that is important getting more of our residents in that department. finally, i love to come speak over the summer about the city college proposal to make city college free for all resident and love to have the youth commission support on that through the luxury housing

real estate transfer tax. we can be the first city in the country to make city college free for all residents and it is a important institution as many of you know and would love to be able to get your feedback and thoughts on our proposal and how we can make it work administratively so many student from your persfecktive perspective and what you are hearing. >> let me echo the comments. thank you for your hard work on a monthly basis. thank you for your presentation. to lily, in the back you can't hide. thank you for being here for all yourheard work. thank you everyone and look forward working together in the budget season and having the conversations as we go forward. okay. if colleagues no other questions or comments why don't we open up item 23 to public comment.

anyone want to comment on this item or sing about this item? >> good afternoon budget and finance committee. [singing] when the lights go down in the city, and the sunshines on the budget bay, won't you may it better for the youth commission today. they really need your help. won't you help them with college free, okay. >> the budget has magic you know the money has it and suddenly the school youth turns into gold filling up their lives with golden budget, coming their way today. >> city goal finger, the city

with the midas touch and it has budget too. thank you. >> thank you. anybody else wish to comment on sing on item 23? okay, seeing none, public comment is closed. i will reopen public comment. >> my name is jessica williams and a youth advisory member for larkin street and work for transational age yulth for san francisco. i attend san francisco state university and the only reason i'm able to attend this university is because i live in tay housing and one of the main reasons i live in tay housing is because i can't affords to live in san francisco. with gentrification and all the things going on in san francisco a lot of transitional age youth whether we are student or do vocational jobs,

whether we are working diverse jobs we need spaces to live and are here and want to give voiz and rise the voices of lgbtq youth in san francisco especially transitional age youth. i want you to consider everything the youth commission has done and appreciate the work and also want to emphasis if you can look over more in depth the affordable housing for transitional age youth because without it people like myself would be on the streets and just because i cant afford to live in san francisco or live in san francisco and attend san francisco state doesn't mean people like me don't deserve to be here but there isn't space to be here now and you have a opportunity to create the space. there are radical orgners creating space and you can be a part of that movement as well. thank you. >> thank you very much. anybody else wish to comment? okay. seeing

none, public comment is closed. thank you everybody for being here today. colleagues can i entertain a motion to file 23? >> motion by supervisor tang and second by supervisor kim. any other business in front of us? >> no, mr. chair. >> okay, thank you everyone, we are adjourned. [meeting adjourned]

>> good afternoon i'd like to call the sfpuc inform order it's monday, may 2, 2016, at 1:307 mr. secretary call the roll. >> >> commissioner vice president moran commissioner courtney are expected horizontal we have quorum thank you next item, please. >> item 3 approval of the minutes of may 10, 2016. >> approval i'll second. in any discussion or public comment from the minutes >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> the minutes carry next item, please. >> item 4 general public comment general public comment at this time please.

>> good afternoon. >> afternoon thanks eddy with bright line defense i wanted to thank the commission on a particular item not on the agenda the calaveres mapping tool you've noted didn't currently include bayview and there's legislative effort that the department well aware have to seeks to include the factors that includes the disadvantaged communities across the state not identified under the mapping tool it is not just important for more than reasons but he itself statewide disadvantaged communities in legislation for reorganization an odd thing to

say most were not taken pride in being disadvantaged but for the purposes of this environmental discussion when we are addressing injustices this important to have bayview hunters point included in this conversation that's why in the letter i'll read to the committee diverse organizations ranging from young developers to iran do have to other groups in commission has worked with in the past and shows how service providers that work on the ground have united in terms of of making sure their community our community can be included so again thapgs to the commission commissioner vietor and general manager kelly that provides the leadership necessary in rallying

bayview hunters point together and finally to staff including the general manager julia as well as emily the public affairs person and the leaders without this departments leadership and commissions leadership not enough would have been created in momentum right now, we're seeing a process and regulatory agency as well thank you. >> thank you for your work on this this is really important work and if you need additional support please let us know. >> to that point love to see it agendized for future commission hearings as well as the process ongoing as well. >> thank you very much thank you. >> any other general public comment at this time? hearing none,

item 5 communications >> so you have before you communications any questions or comments commission any public comment on concessions hearing none, next item, please. >> item 6 other commission business. >> commissioners? hearing none, item 7 report of general manager >> good afternoon, commissioners like to first give an update on the drought. >> good afternoon steve just a minute general manager for water can i have the slides the update on those the drought and the actions for the exclamation for

us first, the storage level is looking good the water bank is 4 hundred plus bank a fair amount of water in the system the rest of the slides will retail use this if you look at another reservoirs around the state they're looking at for drought and cumulative permission is up states gums and the snow make not as average we've done better on precipitation but better in the last few years your forecast water available for the city continues to climb again nine hundred and 22 thousand acres that is available for the city last year, we only have 50 and the year before that one hundred thousand that's the

water that allows us to refill the water bank that's critical and on the hetch hetchy again those funds were above average and - same on the local front a lot of precipitation particularly in march well above normal for the local reservoirs are doing quite well on total deliveries available we're doing a great job of conserving that is based on temperature and i want to talk about the state regulatory action that acted last wednesday and in the regulations through january 2017 directed this executive order that we need to be prepared for next year being a bad year we've not completely out of the woods

and the prohibition this is a temporary prohibition and make these permanent use of water 3 is no irrigations run off and no outside hoses and water in restaurant served on request they came up with the unique approach to how to look at whether or not those had enough water for the agencies we have plenty of water shouldn't have to have the regulation an conservatism for the consuming of precipitation and 2016-2017 in the 2013-2014 basically enough water to get to the next 3 years the state will not need a regulatory act but if you don't have enough whether or not that shortfall how you set our commercialism level of course, this presumes your zero water at the end of the 3

years our official way of looking at if it there's enough water so if we took that action we basically have that analysis not a shortfall for the state board look at but you know our storage is not done totally one bank will for the completely fill up and don't know about next year to the analysis is not a good thing may not be over like a ohio at that time but - we propose to move before where the state had the regulations in system wide voluntary reductions of temple percent and reduce the retail customer use from thirty to 10 percent, with the excise tax and the interruptables for

everyone and reduce the irrigation from mandatory 25 percent to voluntary charge and modify the statewide restrictions we have already in place that's a prudent case going forward and at the next week meeting we'll formalize those recommendations into our drought program going forward to this year certainly it is off a little bit but we still need to conserve but looking at the next slide that like that cross the middle is 200 and 2 gallons blow the 2013 that is achieving the water use reduction in the 2013 it is below that we're talking

about easing off on commercialism but a demand we know that get that right and carry it forward so people don't go froifk and take effect we'll not see a big rebound it is a prudent measure to stay another that point i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> questions. >> thank you public comment? please good afternoon, commissioners nicole ceo i just wanted to get up and speak on the item in support of recommended staff approach of the continuation for the 10 percent reduction i too agree with mr. richie that that is a prudent approach given

where we're at it will not fill maybe we're in a long dry period that's the approach that we talked about i think that is consistent with sending the message to the member agencies thank you >> thank you. >> any other public comment on this item? >> next general manager item please. >> barbara hale. >> good afternoon, commissioners barbara hale general manager for power i have 3 general deputies and second a little bit of a highlight on a grant we're precipitating in and finally charles will talk about the community plan on general update we're continuing to serve 4 three hundred customers with new locations our opt out ate is one percent now but still very

low i mentioned at the last session we're incorporating hetch hetchy into the portfolio with our sf cleanpowersf customers that represents 28 percent of the customers coming if hetch hetchy and we're continuing to sign up customers for the august deadline in order to receive service from us in november we have three hundred and 70 folks with raised their hands wanting to be part of program and 70 percent are signing up for supergreen with respect to the grant opportunity i mentioned we're praent with the department of the environment and a grant that allows us if we prevail to provide some interesting programming for the cleanpowersf customer base with

a u.s. department of transportation smallest city grant application the city named one of 7 finalist for the smart program that makes us eligible up to 70 o $40 million if we're successful we will be manufactured with department of the environment and the transportation sfmta and as well as ourselves the paul allen bulk piece is a parallel offering where the paul allen foundation is putting up an additional $10 million that portion is intended to focus on zero emission vehicles and vehicle electrification with the goal of decashtion we're well

positions to particle in this the 234i679 that will be including that are being included in the grant proposal that involves of puck r puc are the tariff for the cleanpowersf program and something i mentioned in prior reports we're preparing for your consideration, we're also participating in the evaluation of opposition to help to facility plug in electric vehicles and propose a pilot that includes financial incentives and financial mechanisms for bill financing for example, for electric vehicle infrastructure for the customers we're also collaborating with through this grant with proposing to collaborative with lawrence national lab and pg&e and berkley that will help us with the electrical vehicle

infrastructure and the senate it way and opportunities through this grant to work with the private sector and partner an electric vehicles charging for multi unit dwellings and one hundred percent with the bulk as part of housing market to help with the infrastructure and we're proposing to develop a modesty fleet plug-in vehicles policy that increases the pucs electric sales in san francisco so if we prevail in this grant application we do the proportion of the fund proposed to the puc to fund staff working on those related program areas to try to booster that area with the cleanpowersf offerings so if no questions for me i'll turn to charles. >> yeah. >> on that 28 percent of power

from hetch hetchy. >> yes. >> what's the plan moving forward that we get a local build out to replace that power or you know we're able to sell it on the retail market. >> the plan typed it has been that if we have hetch hetchy power available and a need in the cleanpowersf portfolio we've purchase it a win-win for the hetch hetchy and our cleanpowersf side because of our opt out rate is so much lower than favored we need to have more power than we planned for it is helpful to have hetch hetchy that's why we're relying on it right now the plan going forward will be to replace that power with third party sources either because we're doing local bill or procuring more from the third

party private sector bidders that participated in our rfp okay. >> advance calendar update was some comments on the project i've been interested in certainly tying the go solar into cleanpowersf and kind of laid out what you're doing take a while for all the hoops give me a thumb nail of the process. >> so we're looking for integration is how to modify the incentives that are embedded in the go solar program to extend them to the cleanpowersf customers and to provide more of an incentive to participate in cleanpowersf through the go solar program

so what - we have a meeting i'm not or the date but a data soon that will be to discuss the proposal with the broader stakeholder community they've been participating in the go solar completion implementations and a lot of interest from that community and seeing how we can integrate and hopefully sort of leverage the market opportunity i expect there will be a lot of ideas expressed how we can take the cleanpowersf communications plan and integrate go solar into it to help booster the sales of one time to capture a lot of folks that are interested in

clean power and using solar at the overall billing experience with the interslar it is cheaper. >> i'll be looking for i can't really see any reason why there wouldn't be a direct tie if you're go solar customer that should involved a good part of cca so any deviation i'll be looking for discussion. >> we're definitely excluding that in the dialogue the idea that participation and go solar is depending upon cleanpowersf and we'll see what sort of reactions from the community of interest. >> and there is a situation where some people don't have that available to them yet i think the solution is simple you

know they will agree they would be part of cca what and if it is available to them. >> we're using the term enrollment i report to you every week with the folks that signed up to participate they've not our customers yet but the level of requirement we were describing i think that is consistent with what you've asked us to discuss with them. >> okay. thank you. >> other comments any public comment on this item? >> if i may bring up charles to report on the cleanpowersf communications component. >> absolutely mr. sheen welcome. >> good afternoon, commissioners charles acting decorate for the puc identify got a few new items to update you on and give you a general

picture how we're doing with the outreach and approval of the draft minutes towards the august enrollment since the earth day weeks ago we've have successes of signing you up but we found in the earth day weekend working with the 350 volunteers from the earth day fair on that weekend we pulled in 67 sign ups on monday alone and at the other fairs we did about 10 over the earth day week timeframe and averaged 90 sgrr folks so going forward we'll have 350 sf volunteers on june 12th, july 10th august 21st and september we are glad do have the community partners that increase the

presence at the fairs and events this summer right now, we're using the mayors arithmetic day with the out takes and video a social media on facebook not paid and paid and targeting various members on the social community and people that be on sf water power and sewer page asking to sign up for sgrr we talked about the numbers and seeing new sign-ups in the part of this as well as we prepare for august hiring more entry-level assistants and going to the process we'll be staffed appropriately when we enroll the customers 2, 3, 4 august we're talking about thousands and

thousands of acted that is different from the last enrollment and much less many more customers merry megawatt as compared to commercial and then the big move identify talked about it we're working with the department of the environment using they are team to do some door to door neighborhood cabling and campusing and door to door in august targeting residential customers specifically asking him to update or sign up early sgrr for our residential customers for this fall enforcement period. >> those are the major updates so if any questions. >> curious about sierra club

because they were telegraph hill involved have you been helping with sign ups. >> they've helped there have staff - we want to do the joint marital to reengage on the dialogue we need to reengage with them. >> it would be good they were trying to take advantage of that opportunity. >> sure any other questions or comments thank you very much. >> very exciting public comment? hello mr. freed >> hi jason fried, executive officer i hadn't intended to speak but i agree the best approach how to do that is we're not - there are anyone that gets go solar fund should be agreeing to be in the next phase

or how far in advance automatically they'll be part of this and not opt out of the program that's the smart approach and good use within the puc money once we get a larger program go solar will be one of the first go solar fund that will be clearly dedicated towards the customers i want to encourage but want to make sure you're not forgetting about the po u customers to get go solar and should - as long as we're not fothd about the po u customers and i know that speaking away from any day job as the person of the customers i am trying to figure out how to get our building go solar so hopefully keeping that available for everybody within the sfpuc

at some level. >> thank you other comments on cleanpowersf; correct? >> yeah. >> hello, my name is silvia johnson. i've been over sacramento and noticed that they have a sign saying stop the waterfall clean-air act f and i thought that was particular and already took over as that legislation i said to myself what is this really around fclean power in sn francisco i told them that the first i was going to go to

school and go to mathematics and interested in the stanford university they've got one start the whole new process to cure cancer and already got it done and i think we need more of this solar system for clean power for our same in all of your news we have had in the martin course and, of course, this is one of the plans that can stretch in a manners of building and contractors which we've already trying to do with that. >> thank you for your

comments. >> any further public comments on cleanpowersf? next general manager item please. my last item is hetch hetchy power and even though quarterly report kathy govern kathy how are you assistant for infrastructure i wanted to point out this quarter for the quarter ending march 2016 we have four projects that are over budget 20 two i discussed last quarter but two additional ones one is san joaquin with the higher cost of actual construction and also have a small rim fire project that is for eleanor watertank to install a bladder liner inside

the tank to extend the future life and projects that are behind schedule 6 in total but the ones not recorded last time are specifically mountain tunnel and inspection and repairs we had originally came up with an aggressive schedule for the second shut down instead of repairs and had them schedule for january 2018 we have pushed that out to october 2018 but extended the shut down period if 60 to one hundred days and also had the margaret facility for rim fire and done some emergency repairs and so additional inspection was done this project may end upcoming off the list those

emergency repairs are sufficient and may not be replacing part of that line we also have oath smaller project related to pursuing a boundary correction this is delayed awhile staff negotiated with u.s. forest serve and national park service and the last one is back to eleanor watertank this was added to the bladder inc. any questions >> we thought that the our facilities were with the puc right-of-way but it turns out that part of that alignment was within u.s. forest service property

other questions or comments. >> public comment on the water and power cpi quarterly report hearing none, next item, please. >> i think that's the ended of general manager report. >> thank you, supervisors. >> item 8 bosca report. >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon. >> ceo first, i wanted to express my appreciation for you providing me this opportunity it is a trurnls effort in the communication so i also value my time and your time i want to speak on one par thing the act plan that comes up comes to you in june in 2008, many commission and some of you were on this

body at that point adapted it when this environmental document was adopted several water decisions were were deferred those issues are coming back to you we've heard about that a little bit and start discussing them bosca along with other agencies we've discussed those with the staff and talking about issues and talking about the documents moving forward to being actively involved in the maps and the results in the actions definitely should results in the action but in particular thinking ahead of you receiving this i want to call things turk as first bosca and the member agencies expect 9 puc to go make the goals and your contract all

councilmember curls k349s one of the investments to make sure those goals are part of the water map and we believe this is necessary and that's best for our planning we support so and so actions and second as part of your page at the next meeting you'll get 3 letters actually, one from the palo alto and santa clara and each of them asking for specific things as part of the process east palo alto is requesting water in a unique situation in which their growth is now being essentially halted due to the lack of supply and san jose and others for permits into the future. in each of these cased bosca

supports this request and important for you to you understand the staff understand this we're aware of it and looking forward to hearing this commission feedback and your staff begins the discussion and looking forward to be actively involved in the solution and really just i anticipate this will it takes time but look forward to the process that concludes my comments >> thank you for being here in the meetings and your participation moving forward and a lot of work to get this right so thank you for being here. >> thank you, very much. >> any public comment on the bosca report. >> hearing none, oh,

hello, my name is silvia johnson. and as far as traveling around with the investigations you know doing our best written on this this instance i'll be learning more about this situation and learned the masters and might be a little bit of change in building the construction areas really interested. >> thank you. any other public comments on the bosca report next item, please. >> item 9 a flooding workshop for the resiliency study for the policy options and the second of

seizure and discusses regarding the san francisco rules committee a long time plans to reduce flood risk. >> good afternoon and congratulations. >> thank you good afternoon stephanie project manager i'll talk about the focus on providing different levels of flood protection like the costs concerned with the flood protection and the benefits that we, achieve by studying those dollars i want to say we have to consider this in the critical priorities with the sfpuc faces identify heard general manager kelly is that anyone issue we can agree we deserve more

attention and investment but we - so if you think of flood protection as a level not - in doing so the sfpuc faces a switchboard of letters and making other adjustments if we'll notch this up we can't look anyone isolation but look at the policy options and then put them in the complexities of capital planning and start the discussion on flood policy if i could get the slides up. >> briefly we'll talked about give you a little bit of background on the review i'll go through it quickly and talk about the combined and the resilient study the process and the finding and then we'll talk

about next steps so in the background perspective i'm going to briefly touch on terminology i'll be using when we talk about stormwater we're talking about run ogenerated by rule of law we're talking about residential and mostly industrial watermelon that is carried away from homes and businesses when it is not raining the main 2rib89d when it is not raining other than historic creeks when we talk about combined water that is a combination of instrument and sanitary sewage our pipes with sized much learn in a combined system because of the wet water and rain flow capacity so the flow in san

francisco pipes in heavy rainfall is mostly stormwater but in a 5 year storm the made up of our collection system is 99 percent san francisco entertainment commission and about one percent sanitary flow during the peak rule of law during a 5 year storm event we're talking about flooding in san francisco it is stormwater that can't get into the system and on the surface but low lying areas in the city that combined water can came out and that combined water which as i mentioned earlier the peak of the storm is 99 percent san francisco entertainment commission also mixes with stormwater we talk about flooding i wanted to give you a sense of what the water looks like so how flooding occurs you

saw this other than the storm size the in addition, trap graph has an effect on stormwater this is a map prior to develop san francisco is naturally hilly and typography it is the waterways are concentrated from this map the rights ribbon colors the preliminary colors show flooding that is simulated by the model in the large storm events it exceeds the capacity of the storm system the blue and pastel in the background the historic waterways but the rainbow colors their imposed what you see the

green category of flooding 6 inches or less contained we care more about the resolution and oranges and all within the historic waterways so we'll look at this example water shed system to talk about how to typography creates challenges the bulk of mission creek with a large drainage area in blue goes from the panhandle to cesar chavez and outlined in blue is down stream all the water - the area on the map impacts how the waters moves through 17th street and fulsome when we look at the profile this is the map on the top of this slide shows you the route on a map that a drop of water might

take if it fails from a cloud and the profile is the corresponding elevation of the ground shows gray their nylon u underground, as you can see the top grateful is escape to the west and flattens out and that rapid slow down causes the - in the typography that shows so much water that end up and unfortunately, there recent places in the city that are flooding in the low line give you a little bit of background on the combined system the collection system was built over time in the 1840s that's a really a long time ago to prior to the 1950s they went to the bay since the 1950s we have treatment and major

infrastructure we have a regulatory pharynx that guess how we regulate our system at one point upstream and the water shed was individual water sheds were evaluated at the end of the day on the shoreline were built because of the construction impacts were unacceptable for the neighbors in the water sheds where people lived so we ended up with a shoreline transport box system in process today this is the treatment plant in red and then today, we have one hundred and 80 thousand individual accounts and a very complex network of pipes as you can see the green shows the ever pipe in the city and a lot of them so how are the pipes built over time the first century in the 1840s

to 1941 pipe sizings guidelines were evolving and increased over time so there was always an attempt to go to the 5 year storm that looked different over time and in 1941 the city engineers were fined to the 5 storm curb part of the system and separation for the bitten investments with the treatment plant construction and the transport storage box that happened in the 1950s but the resulting curve which is shown by the gold line on the graph the curve that the city relevant today by 1952 and the subsection regulations required that pipes be sized to handle a 5 year storm for new developments and that's remained in the updates the regulation and then as power

planning for ssip in 2010 the commission looked at a comparison of capital costs and endorsed the 4 year 3 hour zone it is for the duration of the stormwaters and in 2016 recently in march when the baseline was presented in the level of services was confirmed so specifically a level of goals the commission for the ssip endorsed and the flooding this is the goal in green and gray for the infrastructure and the level of service we're striving for the construction for a 5 year storm duration with 6 inches of rain with a correspondence of 5 years how does this relate to other cities

nationally on this slide new york city and chicago and philadelphia and seattle and kansas city missouri they use the 5 year storm criteria for a combined system in sacramento there is a small portion of the city had has a combined system right now they're working torts the intern of minute missing flooding in the 5 year storm of a major capital project a final goal and a 10 year storm where typography is different from san francisco ball shaped with a flat bottom that has a greater risk of flooding with 24 shape but san francisco is hike a mountain and flooding is in the historic

waterways. >> whether or not new developments can impact i have two slides you'll talk about the commissioned or contributions so storming run off from large areas is the culprit when it comes down to flooding we have the management ordinance in place for this requires the onsite management that resulted in 200 plus project so we're making process in the half decade the city is looking at incentivizing management when it comes to sanitary flows small contribute to the collection system especially during the large storms that causes flooding so the graph unfortunately is not showing up on the handouts you'll see there is a shaded below background that shows the population over the last thirty years on the

rise continuing for thirty years what you also see in blue a water consumption and the dry water sewage flows and that is the wastewater in the system on non-rainy days we find that the city's growing population water and the flows have decreased instead of 7 to 8 percent in decades this is due to drought cutbacks resulting habitant formed and longtime conservation measures into the building fixtures and things like that so what is san francisco plan for flood miniaturization promotions first, we have beamed that san francisco entertainment commission management and flooding is one of many critical

priorities sfaid the ssip is includes projects capital projects for flooding and r&r is presenting opportunity to sort of in an incremental way to replace the angling pipes in the city at resilience study to to the policy conversation we are starting today that will in the future drive our capital projects so, now i'll spend a lot of time talking about the flood resilience study so first talk about the finding flood resilient is a capacity and limit the impacts and recover quickly from flooding we have a two prong approach today, we'll focus on infrastructure

and the risk based framework to assess and identify the capitalized investments in order to review the current level of service important to remind the problematic side we're looking at problematic measures to build did citywide resilience to provide safety net for the vulnerable areas and getting flood insurance people can have on their property for larger storm events the partnership between public speaker and residents and other city departments is for safety net we'll talk about infrastructure and infrastructure policy so the residents approach in short the first two steps to conduct the analysis and fwraf

our cost benefit curves that was the scope of study the next step we're kicking off today to consider the policy changes to confirm our current level of service or make a deliberate decision to have a level of flood instruction with the costs and benefits associated with that decision and once the decision is made then we need to implement specific projects as part of capital work so the first step was to define what policy options will be evaluated should this shows the top set of number is the numbers as part of study from the 5 year storm to the one hundred storm and people talk about how much rainfall has preceded with the annual probabilities from each the storms and performed a sensitive analysis but a report on line

and provide that. >> so the basic process consisted of a series of model in 2, 3, 4 diagram the gray silo shapes with the modeling platforms platforms we us the h and h hydraulic model for a particular storm in a particular collection infrastructure in place what is the flooding that results on the surface we will run any storm and take today is infrastructure in place or one of our projects in place and see what the flooding is on the surface that goes to the gi s is the virginia lit an example a set of muni tracks with 3 inches

inches of standing water an example of a acid impacted by flooding and properties goes into the economic model that tells you the socialal impacts using san francisco specific thresholds and assumption this example of the mta track we met with mta to determine from their proclamation staff to constituted u shut down a line if there is 2 inches of water from the track has 3 inches of water the track will be shut down and look at the sovereignty or society impact whether the value of sometimes time sitting on the track or can't get to work for productivity, etc. >> so in the in the interest of time skill the more detailed slide and jump to the economic

impact it is comprised of 13 issue areas when i mentioned the muni tracks i got to transportation in traffic and got to potential business effects but a whole host of other economic impacts the four that the right hand column shows you the economic impact shows the significance from high to low and the four that are marked as high account for 90 percent of the total monetary dollars noticing percent of dollars are for the city's high impact categories the relative impacts here is not an dictation of the importance for example, public health department shows the low impact that means that we talked and

met with public health department to identify the process to determine what the economic impacts results from flooding and one is dampness and mold and we talked about who is imposed and the rate of contribution and the economic impacts from the resulting hospitalized and the reason it is marked as although the total cost impact relative to the others categories the low directing amount when you add in looking at total overall impacts not matt haney that public is not impacted issue areas. >> that's from an economic perspective not whether people

can indeed. >> sorry. >> it is only from an economic from a hospitalized not the people that get sick. >> it take into account all those the people that are impacted by the floodwater with the asthma and others rate of getting a waterborne disease. >> x extrapolating all the factors. >> can we go back. >> they're based on the fema and other federal agencies we again make anything up there is precedent for everything that was done in the study and where possible we customized the

economic 3408dz with local data like the example of the mta tracks i gave you that 2 inches of water on the tracks is a threshold we use that threshold so we use 11 city agencies and conducted a field survey we didn't have certain gi s from the databases they don't track driveway down slope or is the front door higher-up than the sidewalk we did a survey of 5 hundred parcels within the one hundred year flood area to find a probability that the buildings will have a barrier to flooding or entry to 2010 and find those in the economic models so let's go look at the flood location policy options they're what it takes to address flooding if a particular design storm from the

5 year storm to the one hundred storm and it eliminates any flood risk and each option as we go through this part of presentation you'll see a recommendation of what projects infrastructure we need to get to the level of protection as well as the cost benefit and the benefit ratio for different levels of protection as well as the ratepayer impacts so you'll hear the term project assess we talk about representatives infrastructure projects that in order to evaluate a policy option we need to understand the level of investment what to build we're calling project assess their representative and just one way to do it not optimize all the variables for all the storms that will be done

with the policy is made and a group that we're moving into high-risk but may not only spend a lot of money in areas that are identifying with low risk in that particular design storm their high levels of the purpose of comparing options and have a seat and informing policy discussions so what does it mean to minimize flooding we have a high-risk this graph shows you across the bottom each of the policy from the 5 year to the one hundred storm the blue line the volume of floodwater a small percentage the rain that has fallen for example, in the 5 year storm that 25 million gallons of flowed water on the blue line

this is 4 percent of volume generated by the storm we have a 96 percent of rain from that storm and 4 percent is flooding given the current infrastructure what the red shows underneath is if we were to implement projects that can manage the 5 year storm and eliminate high flood risk and potentially leave lower realistic water on the streets which is it between curves and parking lot not going into buildings and causing damage 4. 7 million gallons remaining as flood volume on the street there is diminishing returns as stayed we're trying to remove every drop of water from the street we say minimize we're talking about minimum alter flood risk and remaining especially.

>> that's based on what size area. >> statewide we will look at a map in a couple of slides in the presentation that is will show you how it is distributed across the city. >> okay. so when we think about what is the level of investment this table shows you our for our different policy options what have the projects look like if we are trying to minimize flooding in a 5 year storm versus a 100 percent storm for example, in a 5 year storm we'll need to put in pipes or up size 61 million dollars of pipes

but provide protection against one hundred it the one thousand miles a quarter of our streets torn up to replace an up size or install new pipes it basically gives us the option the last two items surface retention have opportunity to integrate infrastructure in thinking through specifics and the row at the bottom i put on the screen the capital costs associated with the option as you can see for meeting the current 5 year storm we're looking at $2 billion of capital funds in 2030 but if we wanted

to provide protection against a 100 percent storm upward of $100 million i'll looked at a closer dive on costs i just shouted the range from $2 billion to $11 billion and the way it splits off we have some planned projects underway about 7. billion dollars worth of work we think about the $2 billion to meet our goal we have plans to do a 3rd of that work so the remaining 1. $3 million is new funding that is needed to get completely to our goal of a 5 year storm as you can see how that goes up the line up to one hundred year storm. >> this is based on as citywide. >> yeah. >> have you broken down into

the other areas. >> this is eliminating high and very highest flood risk citywide it does include the areas where we have heard a lot from the repairs of people that live in those areas but there are other areas that are experiencing high flood risk that are included isn't cost is taking a step back and look at the transparent approach that tells us where the high-risk in the city and addressing those particular areas altogether. >> citywide. >> so of 7 point plus billion dollars that is including some of the projects opening we're planning to do and then the new funding line would have the new funds needed for some of the other areas we don't have ongoing projects.

>> so another way to look at cost is through our life cycle and this is what we use for our cost benefit analyze it includes not only the cost but the opm this is in $2,016 what you see is that the life cycle is a combination of goals with the capital costs in that value as well as the opm and present costs those numbers 2. $3 billion to $15 billion for the rank of flood protection is what you'll see across all the policy options moving forward so i'll take that same 2. to $15 million and put them on a

graph this is the life cycle and combrafd against on the bottom ac excess so this tells you that it is shows for the volume of the gallons of flooding we take off the street what the different projects that tells you that the costs associated and a linear curb there is a unit cost for removing the water off the streets i'll take the same numbers to a lot of almost $16 billion on a simple graph this has all the flood policy options from 5 year storm to one hundred year storm and explain the benefit costs this is the cost does the life cycle but the costs it takes to

maintain the infrastructure that would provide this level of protection in a certain design storm those are unconstrained in the infrastructure we spent more money so the next slide shows the benefit side alone what you see in the benefit graph on the left hand this is the baseline for today is infrastructure in place if we do nothing no flood projects today is system in place and we run one hundred year timespan this one hundred year timespan is the storm for all sizes one one hundred and 25 year and modeling based but a hypothetical 100 percent timespan that follows storms of all sizes and what that baseline economic impacts of flooding on

the for left the total impact today no new infrastructure we'll see 4. $7 billion of economic impacts over that one hundred year time period now for each of the different pop flood options in the 5 year versus the one hundred year it is associated with the projects to provide that level of protection so for the 5 year storm with the 5 year project set in place what you see in red the $1.0 billion is the impact in the same 100 percent year timespan put the 5 year plans into the model and run the same 100 percent rainfall pattern and one billion dollars remaining out of that 4. 7 with that tells us the difference between the green line is the impacts we

avoided by building those projects that's the benefit is that instead of experiencing 4. $7 billion that impacts over 10 years we means we're avoided 3. $7 billion in impacts that's the benefits the green is the avoided or the benefit of the projects as you can see by build outably our 56 year project set we get 80 percent of that back and we build bigger and bigger projects we get closer and closer to eliminating the impacts that we expect to see if we did nothing so this graph puts them on the same side by side this is the benefit cost ratio a simple

calculation in goad and basically benefits divided by costs green by blue and you can see that in a 5 year storm the benefit cost ratio is 1.6 and one point one and large storms it dropped below the thresholds that is sort of like economically justifiable expenditure you'll want an equal return in terms of what you're spending on a project so when you get into the large storm as you can see the benefit cost ratio drops blow one so the liv let's talk about the 5 year storm and 10 year storm the 5 year is the current standard our current goal we've already recognized we need to spend 2.

$3 billion to get to that place if we make a deliberate decision for the 10 year storm we have to recognize we're acknowledging we need an additional $1.4 billion the difference between the costs of the 5 and one there storm the benefits the difference in the benefits is 4. plus billion dollars to get a 4. billion dollars return in the scenario the dollars is benevolence one percent of the land in san francisco that floods whether we choose to protect against a 5 year or a 10 year storm as an increased level of flood protection most of dollars will be benefiting the land area that

floods san francisco less than 1 percent i'll take a look at the land area that shows you the area that is effected by flooding at any land area you see a combination of low risk and high-risk and it is included in the structures that are flooding the footprint of the land use i'll show you a series of green dots those green dots are the area that floods in model simulations in a 5 year storm their scaled to the map the dot is scale to the neighborhood and the scale to the map if you take for example, this mission dot right here remember we said that mission is a big area of the city and we broke down so a smaller area this green dot represents the

total area scaled to the map that floods in the 5 year storm with today is infrastructure in place now if we were to implement our 5 year project set say we fast forward and continue into the future with the projects we've implemented the next click you'll see the yellow documents nestled inside the green they if show up on this particular map the low risk flooding we're leaving on the street we're eliminating the high reflex most of green goes away with little dots in the middle that is the area that is still flooded by definition that the low risk flooding one of the - example that is kind of covered by the scrolling text here cayuga is

the general not the - where cayuga is the larger cayuga shows the yellow that is remaining after we implement and in large part from one parking lot a large land area with shallow water that flows from one street to another street no buildings 19 are impacted the safeway parking lot a large area of low risk flooding that makes the areas bigger in the cayuga dot and a dot what we're calling a bit of cayuga the cayuga corridor about a mile-long catch-22 you go street from 280 about a mile and what you can see on your handout but not showing up here text that is

scrolling on the screen that there is essentially no flooding no projects that are geared towards that neighborhood the last thing i'll put on the slide now is a dark green ring on the outside of the light green ring so it is this is the - the additional area that floods in a 10 year storm getting back to how much of an impact are we going to are an area of flood protection 5 year versus the 10 year storm this will not show up i have a blow up that shows one part of the city the dark green has the most impact that the 10 year storm has the most incremental flood area with the 5 year storm even here the dark green is still not much burn the light green so

again, the light green floods in a 5 years and the other green in a 10 year storm if we choose to address a 10 year storm we'll spend more money but the area we'll impact is an incremental amount of the city in the same neighborhoods just a little bit more land area that will be residing benefits to. >> so there's it varies with flood a natural communicates of typography; correct? >> they're all low areas in the typography but you see that - if you think about the fang the green the first green circle i showed you what happens today and the yellow sarmg what happens when we put in improvements that we can make to

minimize flooding and identified those by adding to the collection system by capacity or pipe capacity we can further reduce the areas that are flooding but all allow lying areas and yeah - >> but that typography existed before san francisco existed. >> in many cases like land settlement that is something that didn't exist before but if you build on waterways grounds you might end up with settlements is that a result of settlement. >> thank you. >> okay. so let's talk about rates. >> this graph shows. >> rates are subjected to change this is independent of the options we're talking about

today, the current value is $51 a month based on a minimal water consumption in today on the far left side of the graph the next 20 years with the oh, my god we're looking at the bill over 20 thousand and this is not a new graph rate in the past what is new is the lines on top that shows how rates can additionally be impacted by the policy options we're talking about today so these incremental lines shows what happens with the rates over the next 20 years with the 5 year storm inhibition if we try to implement the whole 5 year goal to get to our 5 year to the 100 percent storms

so we'll take one snapshot that look at the year three 6 and what you see that the $51 a month the current sale and add on the projected rates to get a state of good repairs with the ssip treatments and ssip collects and omgsz and for each the policy options as you can see the additional incremental rate increases relative to the other policy options that would be required on top of what is planned how we're planning to increase the rates this is one representation of how rates increase there is an absorption but more to be done to make sure

we implement in a sustainable way can i ask a question. >> you said earlier that one $.3 billion additional will be needed in 5 years it translates to 15 on the left. >> that's additional. >> additional. >> so the president 7 is accounted for in the middle bar; right? >> this next slide puts everything together with the benefits and costs and rate impacts for the policy options you'll see that altogether. >> next steps the public has a continue to have opportunities for input so we've this shows what we've been done to date on may 24th and the workshop on the

top in the center at the second half of the year continuing the outreach with the new policy information we have generated through the study and then in early 2017 kept expect to come back to the po board with a specific recommendation so today we've hoped to provide you an introduction not policy options there's more work to do into sb in addition analysis towards having a specific recommendation we'll be present in the months to come that will include development of prioritization of projects with the flood risk that is to the question which neighborhoods we're looking at now and next on the list and implementing and phasing approach that takes into account the other priorities that the cca is facing and how

it integrate and the future we maintain the affordability and to the extend possible try to capture of sin i didn't see with other xoold programs like r&r in interdepartmental opportunities to make the project more cost effective so that's what we're looking at in the next half of this this year. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> i have a couple of questions here. >> so we know that the climate is changing does this - and it seems to me incommissioner fetu see the sea level rise the waterways should rise has that been incorporated into some of

the data. >> looking at sea level rise is definitely part of the analysis we did for this study but mostly with respect to the way this discharges can go into the bay and the ocean so there's a higher receiving water level then the water has a harder time and can back up the system more when it comes to indication sea level rise there is the mayor has convened a corresponded sea level rise correspondent committee and puc lead the effort for the rise indication that is used citywide for the capital purposes we're well aware of the indication zone for the sea level rise scenario that was not considered in - the purpose of this study was to

look at one - the purpose of study to look at what we need to do to the collection system to booster our resilience against flooding not seawalls on a corroborative basis and necessarily come back to 100 percent for the financing of those types of infrastructure we were focused on the collection and our puc assets to understand how and when we spend money on the collection system but for implementation it is a type of type of infrastructure like seawalls and things like that that if you're talking about over topping. >> i wasn't talking about that. >> one is that sea level rise it definitely impacts the way we discharge we can - and address

that to a 5 year standard or whatever standard i think the other is the intense rain for the shorter duration in a 5 year storm may come more frequently that is something that really none can model you know how frequent those storms will come over a long time. >> with respect to the changing of patterns how those changes will look into the future so we don't have like a basis on which to do a sensitivity analysis for rainfall there is no agreement in the community about how those changes will happen and the duration of rainfall be impacted we are through as the puc is

partnering with berkley national lab to spend more time and energy on that piece of science to quantify and bridge into that kind of an analysis. >> i would say no matter what the science you know after cooperating with the science shows or demonstrates that the quality of san francisco will not change so the circles we've showed you are the circles that will be impacted with the new 5 year storm or 10 year storm and the cost of the infrastructure you know pretty much be the same for that. >> the 5 year storm maybe a 4-year storm. >> right. >> which is so - yes on the storm piece the second part of storm question i think there is something in this i think dictation question binundation e

hiring there will be more cop coming from the top i'd like to better understand we wade through this policy decisions if there is information we can factor in and be on the storm i understand not a consensus but work that has been done and frequency as well as the question of sea level rise which are projected 3 to 6 feet in the next year's by the end of the century that focuses the underground system in san francisco and if this might inform our decision or not one last question i was struck

by this comment you said that you know the large impartialerm easier- if there is some strategy in green or whatever it is i know we're talking about fees and whatnot is there something we can do infrastructure wise to really be smart about the big impermeable surfaces and responsible for so much of the flooding. >> stephanie was referring to if we were to spend money for 5 year storm you know projects what areas would still have flooding on them and she talked about parking lots will have

standing water that is low risk not condos with you know you have been impacted this is what being at risk you're talking about. >> i think we completely agree with you trying to minimize the amount of impermeable surfaces with with respect in a process we can influence have an influence so our stormwater management ordinance trying tries to do that looks at managing the onsite and you know that kind of gateway that a project has to go through before approval we are trying to make an impact on that has made