have 15% contingency for construction, 15% contingency for right-of-way, 15% contingency for program wide. that brings our total construction contingency and reserves to $692 million and total program costs for 3.7 billion dollars excluding the bart connector. the bart connector is $161 million. we reviewed the bart connector scope with our designers and determined that the direct cost is about $110 million and when you add escalation is listed here and total construction is $4 billion approximately and this program costs has $903 million in contingency and program

reserves. it's the 692 that you see here and the $211 million in design contingency. if we were to use 3% escalation or three and a half percent escalation and the going rate and move the delta between the 5% and the three and a half percent in program reserves that delta would be approximately $175 million. doing that the program reserves -- the total contingency would be 1.1 billion dollars which is a 40% basically contingency. i'm saying that because as we move into the risk assessment likely to use that for the escalation and move the delta in the reserves and if it goes beyond three and a half percent we will fund that and not removing it from the project cost but putting it where it belongs in the line items. this

is just to give i a visual break down of the several cost elements of the project. this is based on direct costs, not including soft costs erescalation and the line tunnels and approximately 151 amount listed here. >> >> and the tunnel stop was added as part of the environmental document to be able to accommodate the rab study and help develop the mission bay area -- mission bay to its full potential basically. this is a break down of how this estimate in comparison to mtc review. the review when

looking at indirect cost said 26% was sufficient. this estimate has 26% for other costs besides the tunnel and 54% for the tunnel and the tunnel is a higher risk item. the recommendation for escalation was 5% and mtc cost review. this estimate is 5%. the contract fee -- contractor fee and review recommended 10%. this estimate uses 15% for the tunnel and 5% for the remaining scope. we wanted to allocate where the risk where it belongs and thought in the tunnel it's more and did that. the total contingency recommended by mtc was 26%. again what i showed you was 29% based on using 5% for the escalation. if we move escalation delta between the three and 5% in the contingencies that amount would be 40% escalation

contingency and added the scope that mtc recognized and the review ask us to review the productivity rates. we will do that moving forward. this chart shows the delta in the various line items. our estimate increased the construction cost it is by $56 million from mtc reviewed and increased the total construction costs by $61 million. $5 million increased design contingency by $5 million. you will see a reduction in escalation of approximately $139 million. the mtc review had escalation of $722 million and used 5% from 2010 when the estimate was developed all the way to 2024. since our estimate was

developed in current 2016 our escalation started 5% from that time to 2026. what this shows is the escalation between that time was less than 5%. it's in the three and a half percent range. the cpi index labor costs and material costs between 2010 and 2016 is less than 5% and what you see here. the program costs were increased by $163 million because i wanted to refresh the soft costs and the program costs. i use that for program wide and increased by $163 million. again mtc didn't review the costs but just accepted our numbers and $86 million in total program costs as a whole. this is a comparison. it's not an apples

to apples comparison but wanted to show you how our estimate is compared to mtc's. for the delivery part we figured out what is the best successful way to differ the dtx and this is a road map to deliver the project and we are able to bring the transit center in 2025. as i mentioned we expect to finish the environmental work and decision in december of this year. between now and a year from now we're able to finish the design, bring it entirely to 30% and then we can also between now and a year from now we're able to complete and develop a funding plan with the region to figure out all the funding sources that we have, when we need them to fully fund the estimate that we have, and between now and a year from

now select the delivery methods to deliver the project. between july 2017 and end of 2019 we can work on securing the funding and funding agreements with our partners, local level, regional and federal level and during that time frame we're able to acquire the right-of-way that needs to build the phase two. we're able to finish the complete 100% documents between july of 2017 and july 2019 so we will have buildable documents. if we do that we can have advance construction contract in july 2018 to do utility relocation work and for the mining or the tunneling work to begin. based on the schedule the tunneling work will be

advertiseed in july 2019 and awarded in december 2019 and looked at other scopes besides this scope to put out a separate contract for flexibility. in this chart you will see the bart connector, the train extension and the ibf facility awarded at a later date and meet construction date and awarded in december of 2020 and advertised in july 2020. based on this -- based on the seven year construction schedule we were able to start construction in december 2018 and end in december 2025. this is based on design build procurement method. if we go to design build likely to shorten it by six or nine months but this hinges on us being able to get the funding that we need when we need it and including the funding for the right-of-way to be completed

on time and this is a road map to get there and bring trains to the tran itd center in the short evaluate time possible. this slide shows the escalation costs based on 5% escalation. if we finish construction later it will increase by $200 million approximately. >> >> if there is a delay beyond that escalation is approximately $217 million a year. if there's a four, five year period it's more than $1 billion so the earlier we can finish the project and bring it to completion much cheaper it is. with they would like to turn it over the presentation over to scott to talk about the funding strategies that we have

developed. >> hi good morning directors. the next step in the road map that mark was alluding to was to develop a viable funding plan and a plan that includes funding sources that key get during the construction period. >> >> this took significant step forward in 2013 when planned bay area was enacted and the transportation plan that is updated every four years. in the 2013 iteration of planned bay area dtx was a federal priority for the new start program. you heard us mention it several times and in this meeting and the largest discretionary funding for this type of transit expansion and major funding for the central subway and bart to san jose and in order to access these funds you have to be designated as a

regional priority in the regional plan so it's a major goal for the dtx for years and we achieved that goal in 2013. along with that designation came other funding commitments from the region and you see here on this slide pulled directly from planned bay area from the planned bay area investment strategy you see the new start designation, the dtx is the highlighted and as you go along the road the first box is the gray box that says 650 million. that's the amount that mtc estimated that dtx would receive from new starts and that amount was based on the overall amount of new starts funding that the region has historically received from the nationwide new starts account, so moving to the right down that row you see additional commitments for 300 million in future bridge tolls, 557 from high speed and the amount

from the sales tax extension and future prop k increase and last column is joint development. you see 100 million there. and included as a place holder for the mello roos funds and this was finalized in 2013 but the initial draft was 2012 and several years before the mello roos district was enacted and at the time we didn't know what would be available and we knew this was a low estimate but we included today as a place holder and i'm going to run through several funding scenarios. >> >> but before i show you the first of those scenarios i want to emphasize that all of the funding sources that are listed are funding sources that have been contemplate for the dtx for many, many years. they're not things out of left field or are speculative. they're funding sources in the public

discussion going back to planned yay yay in 2013 and -- bay area and before that in the environmental clearance documents for the dtx and contemplated and light apparently charges in the document were included at 75 cents for caltrain tickets and $3 for high speed rail tickets so it was a 4-1 ratio. so when we took those initiate new starts -- i'm sorry initial planned bay area they form the the basis for the plan going forward and as we started the exercise of taking on a hard look at our existing funding plan and making sure it was all viable and attainable we started with the assumptions that mark mentioned in the timeline that he just discussed construction starting in december 2018 and 7 year period and beginning

operations in december 2025 which corresponds nicely with the high speed rail plan and has trains arriving in the bay area in 2025 and i will run you through four funding scenarios. the first one i will go through line by bien but there is only one variable and the apparently charge and -- passenger charge and you see in the gray area they're the planned bay area commitments and three categories and above the gray area are the already committed funds and fund that's project has already received and spent in some cases but in any case all of the line items above the gray area are fully committed to the dtx and the gray area is the planned bay area communities and future yet to be committed funds so starting with the first line that is our existing

commitment from prop k, san francisco county sales tax. you see there it's $83 million commitment. we have spent $50 million of that to do the initial 30% preliminary engineering and design work that mark mentioned earlier and important to note there is 33 million available in the prop k commitment that we intend to use or hoping to use to do the cost refresh that mark was describing earlier. the next two line items and the san mateo sales tax and bridge tolls were received and spent on the 30% design work and below that is called regional transportation improvement program or the rhip program. that is a state funding stream primarily of state gas taxes but mix of funding sources. this is a commitment to the program of 28 million. we received 10 million for phase one and

18 million remaining for phase two and the next two are funding sources we are familiar with at this stage. the first is the mello roos special tax district. that was enacted and signed into law in january 2015 and a percentage are designated to the transbay project and the low range and terms of net values and high amounts and will be available for phase two after we fully finish paying for phase one and we can use this for phase two and the $100 million difference between the 275 and the 375 is something that has been mentioned several times today. i think mark mentioned it seven times in the presentation and that's the $100 million we intend to serve in contingency to the phase

one budget that you just approved. if we're successful coming under there will be 375 left for mes reduce and on the low end it's 275. similarly for the tax increment from the transbay redevelopment program and available for phase two over we fully finish paying for phase one. with the tax increment we have the challenge that it flows over many years. this exists for a 45 year period and the net present day amounts advancing to the years of construction. the difference between the between the high and low end of the line item that has to do with our intention to try to refinance the existing loan. we have ative fea loan of 171 million and financeed in 2010 when interest was higher and we

intend to refinance that and if we're successful that would leave other revenues for phase two. the other difference has to do with what we anticipate in terms of future interest rates so moving down the next four items are the bay area items that i mentioned. >> >> and the sales tax and 375 and prop k and funds from the new starts and the way that we access those funds is lining up all of the non federal funds and once you do that then the federal government will release the new starts funding through a full funding grant agreement and noted earlier we have been notified that the dtx will continually designated as a

high performing project in planned bay area and important for the commitments including the new starts designation and then below that 300 million from future bridge tolls and funds from high rail funds and mtc reiterated that and this is included and from future press releases. below that we have the yet to be committed funds and one for phase two and block four. it is the northern third of the temporary terminal so we can't sell it until it closes and we can't do that until phase one is complete and begin operations in the transit center and we're moving closing on the parcel f agreement and

option to purchase block four and the funds for that and that is where the number comes from and the last line this is what we wanted to focus on today. this is the variable that changes throughout the four scenarios. we certainly understand that in proposing a passenger facility charge, a pfc, come up with something reasonable, not just from our perspective but our board, all of the other boards and for the ticket buying public so the amounts in the 2004 document were 75 cents and $3 and 12 years ago. when we started the thought process for the updated plan and thought of the scenario for the caltrain rider if the dtx doesn't exist and if they want to get to downtown core, the financial district, the transit

center, the embarcadero they could walk and time expenditure associated with that or buy a muni fare and use the central subway and have to disembark at fourth and king to powell and disembark and to embarcadero and do it a third time or the option to buy a muni bus fare and go downtown but we thought that was a good place to start looking at what that fare would be if you took the bus. if you buy a monthly pass and divide it per day and $1.60 a trip and $2,016 and we're starting operations in. >> >> 2026 and we estimated that and came up with $2 for the caltrain surcharge and maintained that four to one ratio as i said goes back to

the original 2004 environmental clearance document. a couple other arguments we would make about the reasonableness of $8 for the high speed rail ticket if you take a flight from los angeles to san francisco four paying $4.10 fee and doesn't include getting to downtown and $8 on bart. if you take high speed rail from los angeles and get to the transit center we assuming coming from l.a. you have luggage and not likely to take a bus or walk and take a taxi or uber and $8 is a reasonable fee so we had to consider the same issue with the future tax increment. pfcs flow over many years. we thought it was reasonable to look at 35

year period and capturing pfcs and the favorable lending source is one of the federal programs that the dtx is eligible for and tifia and familiar with that and have that for phase one and there is railroad rehabilitation and improvement program and the dtx is variable for that as well. both have 35 year repayment periods and we looked at 35 period year of casturing that and they wouldn't give that much and it's like a home equity loan. they want some cushion and give you 80% and we will advance these and get 80% but the other 20% is still collected and use the funds towards maintenance of

the rail levels and the concourse and platform levels and share with caltrain and high speed rail and for the expenses associated with the dtx so using the parameters the amount generated from pfc from these and on the low end is 865 million and high end is listed there. the difference is what we assume in terms of annual cpi. on the low end 1% and high end assumed 3% so you see that provides total funding that ranges from about 3.4 billion to 4.1 billion so on the high end we're above the number in america's estimate a moment ago. we wanted -- mark's estimate and we wanted to show you other scenarios with more cushion so in the second scenario we decided let's look

at just taking today's base muni fare, not using a monthly pass but using 225 and conservative because they're $2,016 and not going to 2020. >> >> and it's 425 and $9 and see that generates total funding that ranges from about 3.5 billion to 4 billion and it's right in the middle of the range and trending towards the lower range and we escalated that a little bit to 250 which would representative very a little escalation over ten years during this time and use 250 and $10 and produce totals of listed here and have the 3.9 billion on the lower end of the range and the final number we looked at was taking muni bus bare in

-- r fare and listed here and range with a lot of cushion relative to the cost estimate listed here so to summarize the key assumptions we're using in putting the funding plan together we're assuming that we're successful working with our board, stakeholders, the public in convincing the caltrain board and the high speed rail authority board to enact the pfcs before anticipating construction start in 2019 and there is a challenge and it's seven years before beginning operations and in advance and that's the first assumption. we assumed that the planned bay area commitments are provided during the years of

construction and assumed we would be successful accessing one of the federal loan programs that i mentioned and finally we want to reiterate that all of the funds that you see in the charts are available for phase two after we fully finish paying for phase one. >> and i have one more slide directors, so to make this work and to be able to advance we listed the next steps. these are near term steps and we need to be able to fund these steps. i've had brief discussions with them on releasing some of the money committed to phase two in order to do some of the work that needs to be done and i will follow up with that discussion with them, but first step is challenge is take our design that we have right now and bring to the 30% level and accurately estimate it and accurately update the

estimates as we move forward. we need to updated right-of-way estimate. we need to do some appraisals to produce that estimate because that's another high risk variable we need to be able to define so that once we have an estimate we're sure that estimate is not going to change much. we need to update the ridership study to confirm the numbers that scott shared with you, the passengers facilities charge hinges on having accurate numbers so we need to do that and have a risk assessment and establish the contingency and reserves and used 10% for construction and 15% program wide. we need to do a [inaudible] assessment to ensure that the numbers are correct or use whatever numbers that are correct. using that information we will update the program cost estimates or update the cost

estimates. we will use peer reviews. we're going to have somebody from outside also review the consultant's estimate and do a peer review to make sure it's accurate. we. to make sure what happens in phase one doesn't happen in phase two. >> >> and we will do peer reviews on the estimate that we generate before we present it to you. we need to sit down with the region and look at the funding plan, seses what scott presented and get all the stakeholders behind us. develop a funding plan that we're all behind and the stakeholders are behind to move forward with the project and selecting a delivery method is another step and is it decide build or -- design build and there are benefits to all of

them. we need to select the right one and then present a budget to adopt based on that level of criteria based on peer reviews so that will be a budget that we can all stand behind. currently we have a 2.5 billion dollars budget and not reflective of the scope and the estimates and last but not least we will continue the close coordination our stakeholders for the rab study so that the study is successfully completed and both our project and rab study are complementary to each other. with that i would like to get some direction from the board. thank you. >> thank you. this is one of the things that i mentioned to mark when we went over this earlier this week i want the board to be more directive in terms instead of just seeing a presentation and letting

staff figure out if there's a majority of the board members that said that's a good idea. let's do it so i hope my suggestion is that we actually direct staff in accordance with the next steps. okay. that's what you say you're going to do, and we're okay with that. that's okay to do. otherwise i don't know you know whether we've got a majority of the board that says yes that's a good plan. we like those numbers and we need to do that. i have one thing that i always thought about -- two things when it comes to the bart connector. one is that every time i mention it to a bart director his or her eyes just roll. it's like so far below the radar that they don't even like me mentioning the idea tie

into bart somewhere. they have so many problems and other things going on. it's not that they hate it but it's just -- so it's hard to get them to engage on the idea of connecting into embarcadero station when they don't know how to expand into embarcadero station, so i think we ought to when it comes to planning and engineering for the bart connector i think we should be very -- the other thing in connection with the bart connector i always ask them or they ask me. okay. whose the passenger that wants get out of the terminal or into the terminal and coming off of bart or to bart? i can't imagine the passage is and from the east bay ignored bart until then. >> >> and coming from the south bay is completely ignored millbrae and everything there so i really want an idea past

the profile of the passenger that gets out of there and now get to bart and why they didn't get to bart in another manner before we get too engaged in that. maybe it's out there and i i am oblivious to that and that's just one aspect of this thing, and you mentioned p3. are you thinking of as a delivery method? >> we will share next month the studies and delivery methods and what each one of them brings benefits to the project. p3 is one of them. i would like to wait until next month to give you a comprehensive. >> i don't know about the study and in p3 you have to figure out the scope and reward for the private partner. what are you giving them besides the chance to run a railroad.

>> it's on the list but we want to evaluate it anyway so it will be in the presentation we present next month on the procurement methods. >> any other comments? i mean the thoroughness that you thought about this is great. i mean it's just really you know brings home you know the possibility that we certainly can and perhaps should just let's move into this and i was unsure really until i saw some of these things. supervisor. >> you know i appreciate the presentation. it's great to get more details on our thoughts for phase two. i think the one thing i was thinking during the presentation as much as i like getting all of the details we have several kind of parallel paths moving forward on phase two, and this presentation really didn't cover or even consider the fact that

they're alternatives considered by the city today so it's great to get the work and details on phase two as we originally configured and planned and i am not putting my weight behind one pathway or another but realistically it's hard to delve into the details when i know we're looking at tunneling and other optioning methodologies. these are not questions for today but i am curious a little bit more about sem was the only method that was offered today for our cut and cover and mine tunnel option? it's great to get the sell today and pelt like a sell but i want to know all the options and before the board and why is this the best value and not just told it's the best value option but i look forward to the

continued conversation. i think there is a broader context with phase two that we need to acknowledge and not in today's presentation and i know it's an ongoing dialogue conversation. >> ed. >> yeah. i guess i would add for the reason the agency exists and the reason we're building the building and all the funding partners have put in some cases hundreds of millions of dollars and the city has puts it own balance sheet on the line to complete the phase one is to get the trains to downtown san francisco because i think everybody in the region recognizeslet importance of doing that the regional economy and accommodate the growth in the region so i think it's great and i appreciate the chair shifting the focus of the board now to phase two because that's the ultimate prize as great as phase one project is and i appreciate the staff work

for the presentation. it was very comprehensive to the technical to the financial so that is fantastic and it is what we should be doing. with regard to the technical on the phase two i agree with supervisor kim or director kim that this is one path and it does seem -- i thought it was actually fairly compelling that based on the assumptions for this path that we're going to have to make this s curve because we're trying to connect to the adjacent to where there's an existing caltrain station that sem may be the best path forward. i think the idea of cut and cover construction in the heart of the city for a few blocks is difficult to swallow and where some of the concerns come from but based on the assumptions of the

alignment, based on when you neck out to three tracks which seems like the idea you need to do that before the fourth and townsend station that's why it seems that all leads to the conclusion it probably makes sense to do the tunneling in this way but as director kim mentioned challenging the assumptions is part of what is happening in parallel so i think actually it was acknowledged at least lately in the staff report and even the final slide. with that said i think it's appropriate that the program move forward with what i guess is the baseline assumption of the alignment. i think there is more work even what was done in the environmental to be done in terms of the impacts that would come from this approach especially because of the cut and cover, the impacts to the city. i think there is more work to be done there so i would add that into the next steps

list. there may be a time depending on this alternative or parallel work that comes in the next year where we as a region decide that we want to choose a different alignment but i think we should move forward with this work so we don't lose time because we want get to the 2025 date because in parallel encouraging high speed rail to get to the trans way transit center by 2025 based on their new business plan so i think this general direction is good. on the revenue side i appreciate the work that you all have done. it seems like in the whole report there's a lot of optimism and progressive view on budget and schedule which is good to be optimistic and aggressive. on the revenue side it does seem like we've kind of fixed the

problem with the pfcs. if you strip out the pfcs you're basically back to two and a half billion dollars of revenue for a $4 billion program so i think -- i know you have coordination with caltrain and high speed rail. i think a very specific vetting of the pfcs with the staff and the boards of those entities sooner than later would be helpful because we have kind of have one solution, one solution at different levels but it's one solution, and if we find in shorter order that the solution or the level of the solution is not going to be viable we would need to start exploring others and the same lines i would encourage you to vet the assumptions for the tax increment and mello roos with the people from the city because some of the assumptions are anticipating more than what was

in i think the 2012 plan bay area plan so i think we need there is validating of the assumptions that need to be made but overall a great presentation. we should be moving this forward whether we end up with a different alignment or not we need to keep advancing to get to 2025 so i appreciate the work on this. >> you. >> vice chair. >> i would agree with what director kim and reiskin have said and i thank the chair for bringing this forward now. i mean it is the next big challenge that we have to get the train to the station. there's been lots of conversations and the presentation today has been very helpful to look at whether it's the type of tunneling or what opportunities there are for funding and obviously a lot of work has happened to get all that information, but also we

are looking at different alternatives, times of change, and we need to really start laying out a process that we believe we understand the impacts to our eir, to impacts if we did changes what that would mean for us and still trying to meet the 2025 date. there's a lot of work and i think this board has the responsibility of guiding this process and really start looking at what options we have and what decisions we need to make so we're not all over the place and have to be transparent with the public of course so that's mine. >> mayor gee. >> i want to thank you for bringing this forward and we have to start somewhere. i wouldn't be surprised if this evolves a lot over the next months if not years but as we all agree up here the goal

is to have the trains downtown, and with all the other studies and i'm not going to assume they're done, is that while one study may say it takes more time or money and we have to base it against something and this could be that something and measure success and options so i think we're at the point to move it forward to complete everything up to 30% to really establish a baseline project, and then take it on the road to our stakeholder community and does this work? does the pfc work? does viable? is it too much? we need to validate the ridership numbers and don't spare the peer review early. it's an investment that will save everyone pain, grief and money later and do the peer

reviews early to validate assumptions or mitigate the assumptions we're making so from my standpoint it's a start. this is not the end but it's a complete picture of what could be by when and we need to move forward to test it and validate it and poke at it, throw rocks at it and take it apart and we will have something to measure and again thank you and team for bringing this forward and i hope that can move forward to at least the next step -- we have something to measure against. >> i think what we said is very important. i think taking three tracks out past fourth and townsend station is critical and apparently the rab study one of the key aspects is being competitive it's a two track system pretty much i gather.

i don't know but we need to really clarify that because of course ultimately there are only two tracks going down the pinens laso we need -- i least need to see the operational study and show why it's important to have three tracks at fourth and townsend to do that because we know we will get three tracks into our station but if it's important then we need to know this because it's a major difference and a major thing. i think the secondary costs we have to be very cognizant even though they're not our costs they may be costs to the city and county and so we want to be comparative there as well and want to be honest as the supervisor said. be honest with what the impacts are on the comparative things because that is supposedly one of the other things that the rab study is

trying to get itself hands around and the cost and rewards for this thing but i too feel this would help the whole process i think is take the next steps that mark has said and say okay those make sense to us you know, whatever the questions are we need to start doing some of the things to revolve them so i -- resolve them and i am in support of that and presume what i hear it seems to be that this board these next steps make sense as far as can i tell. so you have your direction. >> thank you very much for your support and i want to assure all of you that as we move forward we're working closely with the rab study and make sure that the endeavors are complementary to each other. thank you.

>> okay. >> you have one member of the public. >> i am sure we do. >> we are close on time and we still have closed session. >> okay. well, it may be a short closed session. >> and i appreciate the comments that the board members made and shorten my remarks and tone them down somehow. i have great news for you. you wanted to appoint a senior program manager and no funding and we have funds laying around from prop k and isn't that wonderful? let me kill the third track once and for all. if you look in the eir scoping comment its explains how we were able to run 12, not ten, 12 trains an hour with three platform faces with the olympics. you will find that the plans for the track

layout and the time table and hopefully that discussion and go to go with two tracks. the only proviso the [inaudible] station must have four tracks and between between that with two tracks is good. looks like i only have two minutes here so the question now is mr. reiskin you're about to deliver the central subway and the tunnel for 1.7 billion dollars so how can somebody stand up in front of you and give a proposal -- [inaudible] $4 billion. it doesn't add up. okay. so in closing i would like to direct your attention to the april 26 meeting of the full transportation authority board where it was presented and -- well, actually my friend

echoed the sentiments of him and in the study and make it possible to connect to the east bay on the other end but the last point i would like to make is that the same board meeting supervisor peskin suggested that the tjpa be terminated and transfer the responsibility to the maintenance of the terminal and different entity -- [inaudible] >> thank you. thank you for what you send us from time to time. very informative. >> [inaudible] >> all right. that concludes members of the public to address you on that item so we can go ahead and move into closed session. >> yes please. >> pursuant to government section section 54956.9 and no members of the public to address you >> the tjpa board of directors meeting is back to session

and announce on closed session. >> in anticipation of legal council there is no action to report. >> that concludes your agenda for today. >> yes. >> adjourned through the chair. thank you. >> thank you.

>>[gavel] >> this meeting is called to order. this is the tuesday, june 7 meeting of the san francisco entertainment commission by name is brian tan. a few housekeeping items did turn off your cell phones and keep them on vibrate. if you're here from the public and like to speak when i call for public comment we have other common speaker cards which can fill out they had to our staff. come up when i do call that. finally, thank you to sfgtv and media service for airing this meeting live to the public. also, happy election day. i

hope everyone is voting today. you have not yet, go do it. let's start with a roll call. >> >>[call of the roll] lee, here. treasures of, here. jen thomas, here. cohen minimum we have a quorum. commissioner frost said he would be 15-20 min. late. and we've not heard from [inaudible]. >> all right. we have a quorum. the first item on our agenda is general public comments. this is for any business that pertains to the entertainment commission that's not currently on the agenda. a public comment? public comment is closed. item number two, approval of the meeting minutes. i believe we will rightfully continue this item >> i move to continue the

minutes to our next meeting >> moved and seconded. >> the approval of the minutes of the next meeting at second. any public comment? commissioner lee seconded. let's of those. >>[roll call vote]. >> item 3 is a report from executive director and our inspectors. i will hand it over to director kane >> thank you good evening. i will make it short. i'm a little bit [inaudible] i was off for the last three weeks. one of the things i want to report on is one of the reasons i went which is to attend this thing called music city conference. it was put on by group by sound diplomacy, which in a nutshell is bringing together people from all over the world to do work in the

nighttime economy in many cases in other countries focus on live music and music industry as opposed to you know, being an inclusive of other kinds of entertainment, but by and large, they were very interested in-and i was able to spend some time talking about our chapter 116 work which is unique in the states. they do it in berlin and they are certainly looking at it in london very closely and hopefully, now a lot of other places.. lots of folks from australia, canada, other obviously english-speaking countries, there were people from all over the world, and i think it went really well. it was very exciting and him and contacting out with people that i never thought i would meet. people from classic officials from all over the place. it was really interesting. so, i hope to be doing more about and then

maybe we will be able to bring some folks here from other countries to talk about how they do the work they do. we are, again as we've said in the past, i had in some ways of most folks in terms of nighttime county management. from the standpoint of the government involvement and really having sort of a solid base to protect and enliven nightlife. however, it does come from a regulatory sort of side of things and we have some stuff we can do better , i think, sort of on the promotion side and the protection of creative industries and protective of targeted jobs. so, hopefully i'll be bringing forward some new things are you to chew on. then, while i was gone, maggie was able to convene the panel

to finally do interviews for the eight 1823 position on outdoor events that haven't talked about forever. they did those interviews and there is an offer being extended or conditional offer at this point, based on background checks and fingerprints to the person who scored the highest, and so i can't at this point who say who that is, but it is-we are almost there. so, the pool was a really good sort of applicants so i think we found a good fit. >> you think bill be here by next meeting? two weeks? >> no. >> a month? >> probably. >> okay good that's great >> yes. there's a lot of work to do and will be off and running. so unless you have any questions for me- >> take me

>> can we all go? >> i will hand it over to mr. polly. >> i will start it up your good evening, commissioners. report about inspections first. i want to correct the date. the first item and union st., festival it says 514. that was a typo. june 4 it was there around 5 pm. i was there for a couple hours in the area observing the surrounding area the side avenues, checking for [inaudible] this sort of thing. huge police presence. in the alleys and side streets. a lot of venues on fillmore street seen a bump in early activity, 6-7 8 pm. the [inaudible] was for street wwe did not receive any complaints so all went

well. on 520, may 20, the second item it says 5-2. i forgot to put the zero. this was at 3:30 pm. we talked about this at last meeting can an issue regarding the noise alley ministry at 1021 sanchez st. i made contact with the church on or before the show took place that we talked about and i talk to her about it looking like what they were doing was entertainment. i told her she needed to contact our deputy director and talk to her to she ended up doing a leader in the week. i'm not sure how it played out in the end, nevertheless, i went by after 5 pm after the event started to see if there was any sound issues for the complaint and i did not notice anything. it was not imperceptible. nevertheless i told her because we don't permit the venue, i didn't-i'll be taking on a hands-off approach and waiting for direction from staff. so will see how that goes. i'm sure

not sure how that's going to play out. on the 19th, this was at 620, i stop by mission cultural center to do an inspection. i talked to-that the operations manager i talked permit they do not have a permit post. they posted it in from inside the information booth. they can you schedule of events and just explain to them some of things. i been there a couple times so it was an interesting place to kind of stop i i was just checking on it. i left this item off last meeting on by accident but because dollhouse, 315 916 straight last year they were subject to an abc action regarding an employee peddling marijuana and me and sean went by with al al view and talk to my brother. nevertheless, that was a good idea to stop in.

then check in on what's going on could honestly, they have mechanical moving devices there like 5-6 pinball machines in the front of the venue. i talked to their bartender just asked about any underage drinking or gambling or anything. stuff like that. but it looks fine. there every thing is in compliance with a couple of 1:20 am. i deserve the sidewalks in the management the audrey and john adult with him before. so, it's been a while since we instructed him to move their line and manage their sound better and then not received any complaints and on this particular night they were in compliance. i took a quick look at elbow room. i was in the area. i pass by a bunch of venues. i just pick out elbow room. i observe the exterior environment of the venue. it was busy but patrons were moving the sidewalks were not too cluttered. so it was fun. fine. on 21 may, at the end of

the night operation, for [inaudible] there sidewalks looked a little cluttered. if i was-i could've the world am a notice of violation but it wasn't really that serious because it just look like they're end of the night. there were no complaints but nevertheless going to stop i do a follow-up inspection i scheduled for this weekend. a couple complaints. one of them is a complaint with the dealing with for a while. this is blatant and 1351 folk st. over the last few weeks i have observed the avenue in the sound environment and what my determination is is that it's collective sound, first of all. not just that venue. that avenue is busy with venues. nevertheless, after talking to inspector burke he states that he can clearly hear the base over everything else. so, the next step is to do in the end tests and compliance testing

whenever i'm out there and they request testing. so we'll see how that plays out. the last item is a complaint in regards to club mala. they got a couple complaints. there really hasn't been many complaints in a while, but it got a couple in the last few weeks. this one was saturday at 11 pm. i was able to go by almost immediately within a half hour-45 min. i stopped out on virginia avenue about 20 feet from the property to see if i could hear anything. i could hear a little on mission street but nothing that would be out of line for the kind of thing they do. but, even though it's particularly quite on the street and neighborhood, it gets a lot quieter in the residencies and the so i'm sure the neighbors are expensive and something. so, i scheduled to do some interior noise testing with them and we'll see how that goes. i'll report back to

you any questions? >> i have one for noise alley ministry. were we not tipped off by someone about that? >> yes. >> did you contact them about just following up about your inspection? >> i was in contact with them. this particular neighbor was a little on the aggressive side. i like to wait until i develop some kind of information before going back and forth because it ends up being just a bunch of stuff being thrown against the wall. you know what i mean? >> sure >> idle her complaint was valid or not so the first thing was to make contact 01 to give the venue to the opportunity to defend himself and discuss the results will discuss the matter with our deputy director >> i see. okay, that's fine. any questions for inspector burke? i'm sorry, polly. the

record should show actually commissioner jan caminong and commissioner frost re:. >> the reason you are hearing this [inaudible] more mundane visits is because they switched areas so i have not done that before. but i did it because i felt like there was in importance and not getting too comfortable. so jordan's visiting venues that sean is very familiar with and different eyes and different experiences i think is been a be a better system to make sure that everyone doesn't get too complacent were too close to these guys at a comfort level

around, you know, how they work and what they do. they're very different operators, these two. i think that is a good thing. so he's can go to malibu totally different than he will now sean is going to go to the nightclubs [inaudible] >> we caught that when you -either that was great because we had heard about venues we not heard of about reported inspector polly, director kane and good evening president >> good evening. a couple new complaints. one for the grand -lounge on geary right round abuelo. this is a establishment that had applied for a permit when ms. can meet locks on what

was with us and something held it up, a be something along the lines of their abc permit. we did get a complaint recently about what sounds like midi karaoke going on at towards the end of their hours. i have been unable to witness that and i'm in touch with the complainant. the complainant has my mobile number or try to work out communication i know susie able to report to me when when he hears sound coming from-. i'll keep you posted on that. we have received a complaint from the hampton inn, fairly new hotel across the street from mezzanine. on jefferson street. upon some conversation with the assistant manager there, i learned that you seven complaining for some time. this is first time that lodged a formal complaint.. everybody was in the organization thought

each other were filing complaints so this is the first time we've heard of it. i've been on site for taking measurements in a guest room there and i've spoken with the owner at mezzanine. we are waiting to get some information about some conversations that happened between the previous owner of mezzanine and the developer of a hotel to see kind of how some conversations went down in planning the construction. i hope to have some more information for you by next meeting. >> are they complaining about music were people in the streets are what? >> on the lower floors there something to picture noise but the upper floors are just base and it's only on the jesse side. i was told that the

mission site is double pained and the jesse side is not. the jesse side >> which makes perfect sense because the jesse side is a nightclub in the mission side doesn't. how ridiculous. >> there's also that. mounted air conditioning units on the jesse side, so there's the free flow of sound waves coming through. >> chapter 116, doesn't include hotels, right just residential? >> this is correct. i confirm this and i've made an inquiry as to the possibility of amending chapter 116 to include hotels because there has been in the news regarding a possible creation of what are called [inaudible]. but i may or may not be able to get that done in time. we will see.

>> thanks. they should be in a just similar. >> i'll keep you updated as i get more info. >> is the picture noise on the jesse side coming through the windows? going through that door work into the building? as they are choosing to put-to do like accept patrons on the jesse side and not the mission side, which is actually the front about oh is the mission side, right? >> poseurs, so the jesse side doors are manned with a hotel representative. the mission side is locked. you can access both ways. both of double sliding doors. >> so let me get this straight. the main entrance about tell is on jesse side, which is the side that does not have a double pane windows and is across the street from a nightclub? >> from the layout of the building, i would say, yes

>> so, the mission street side which is not near anything has double pained windows and is not the main entrance of the building? >> from what i could tell, set yes >> that makes perfect sense. >> little tally narrow street >> a couple of inspections. the chamber of the restaurant at the phoenix hotel had a couple of outdoor amplified events for memorial day. we have a resident off hold, i think i mentioned previously, that has graciously allowed me entrance to his residence. i've taken in the and measurements so i can compare those to he's disturbed at this point we get a good ambient measurement. i was able to get access and take a measurement their weekend as well during entertainment i'm a but that

particular weekend wasn't as loud as previous as he had mentioned. so, he's going to be in touch next time there's an event and will see if we can get a good beating analyzing frequencies and see if there something we can do to contain the chamber sound. >> i noticed they been promoting a lot more events by their pool. >> i think is the season swings there's going to be >> more than in past years >> they definitely capitalize on holidays and-as well summer as well, two. >> is this complaint is the same complaint and that has been complaining? is this a big building a multiunit building? >> correct. on polled. the first physical unit overhangs, and on one side and the chamber

is slightly visible from another window on the property. so he's getting sound from chambers a little bit of people noise, some base, and then actually some noise from fixed mechanical on top of brenda's so i put him in touch with the department of health as well to address that. multiagency investigation. >> i see. thank you. >> quick update about this year's con of all. very smooth. everything was on time. i was on site both days and in touch with organizers. we were able to provide a schedule ahead of time and i was able to check-in multiple times throughout the day both saturday and sunday. no complaints that i came to [inaudible] directly to us. all in all the was a big success. susan sarandon's ping-pong nightclub was brought to our attention. 690 fulsome st. we

were made aware of some dj even said that. i was able to stop by and talk to the manager and now were in the process of getting him permitted. this past weekend, early sunday morning, at the end up there was an incident with a firearm. i paid a visit on sunday evening to talk to security and management of the end up. we sat down for about an hour interviewed 630 footage, talked about what happened. they met with the sfpd today and we are meeting scheduled for thursday at 11 am with staff in the office to discuss the incident and what should we be doing during to move four. forward. >> with that inside or

outside? >> at this point we do not know. >> some of those lease reports are not public record depending on the outcome. >> can you- >> i said some police reports are not a matter of public record, depending on the outcome of the incident. >> i reach out to the permit officer today and at that point even he did not have any kind of incident report or narrative because i think the investigation is still pending. >> forced and social clubs does that mean they're not really open what does that mean? >> they are open with ping-pong at the night that i visited her mother was a dj. now they're in the process of starting. >> so we will see them soon? >> yes >> grades. great. sounds like relatively quiet given how bad it could be. any questions from

commissioners? public comment? public comment is closed >>[gavel] >> will move on with our meeting to item number four police department comments and questions. i don't see any least upon representatives tonight so we'll just will bring along to item number five. hearing and possible action regarding permits. we have two tonight and i'll handed over to a deputy director. >> great. good evening, commissioners. others permit application it this evening is for women in live performance, it is for a limited beer basement located at 222 highest rate in the former space of the basement. new owner, steve smith owns the special specialty beer store and ills unlimited in pacific heights. he plans on expanding this business model that is new premises so is actually did have for entertainment stand up comedy, open mic night, live jazz, and

all can be in a craft beer focused bar. he hopes to be able to of flexibility and when he does an arm but always and by 10 pm. i haven't received any opposition about the permit application. we approve it with a good neighbor policy. the only condition. here to tell you more about his application is owner, steve smith. >> good evening. yes, we just picked up the basement and we change it as a site location from our facility in pacific heights. we only have retail and stability to do like a surf the draft and the limited products we have. there used to

be a stand up comedy before at that location, and open mic and initially we did not have this as a anything under plan, but when he approached us a few times we said, okay why not. we could use the momentum and get the what they already had to i think was every thursday they had stand up-not open mic and every saturday they had for two hours they do standup comedy and so we met with the department to ask if we can apply for that license. >> are usurping any hard alkyl or is it just.? >> just beer and wine. we didn't want to do hard alkyl because that's not our focus. we did it for eight years on. at least a location with hard alkyl but the more premium

single malts. we don't do anything in the mixed [inaudible] actually our focus is more in the upper end of the spectrum of the products. so a different kind of overly different kind of [inaudible] then used to be >> are you familiar with the history of the basement and the neighbors around? >> yes. i just had a few times met with sam. she's with [inaudible] >> great >> i spoke with her this afternoon actually. she had to pull the kids outside to get everybody alerts. she was happy that we moved in because apparently it was some complaint here and there from the previous owners. we picked everything out what they had in their swap the noise complaints there before i got there anymore because we actually don't have anything existing what they had in the. that got pulled out. i reach out to some of the other stores around [inaudible] quite as the

neighborhood. everybody so far was okay with that we moved in, yes. >> great. i think-main complaints of our previous permit holder and so i think if you are if you're spoken with them and actually change the equipment >> i spoke with sammy before-five times. i walked around just to get familiar with the area. i ran into actually she wants to come down tonight but because the whole voting idea she said she may not but in case you need some kind of letter she would be glad to write something up if it's required. but she was really forthcoming and we met the first time i think was one we still were doing renovations. she was very happy that we moved a lot of the equipment out. >> great. commissioner caminong >> are you open until

midnight? >> were open tuesday, wednesday thursday currently from 4 pm-10 pm and then friday and saturday we are open 4 pm-until midnight. that's just because the neighborhood we want to engage first what customer base were going to get but we did not have the intention to stay very long unless somebody asks us if we could stay a bit longer. we had some increase for opening mondays, which we did have in the plan before. somebody wants to watch the wwf on monday nights. we thought would be a cool hangout spot for three hours so will look into that. so we don't open long. we don't do the same thing in pacific heights. we close at 8 pm and pacific heights. we try to be early down. not saving up at night >> you are aware the permit

you're asking for is only until 10 pm? >> yes that's fine. i think the standup was from 6 pm until 8 pm or something like that. they didn't do it long. it's always 10 pm would be the idea. he used to be a green room for the [inaudible] so the will be mays be some people would like to play jazz and obviously they would like to go until 10 pm or something like that for the life >> are you going to be entertaining yourself or do you have a manager doing that for you? >> we do not look into that yet. we just want to get the ball rolling with the permit for the standup comedy. these guys are from day one have a huge following apparently so they want us to do-that he turned down several venues already because it was no permit and they were bit behind with filing a one-time application, and so i just said, look, as long as we have to wait, we have to wait get if they came in a few saturdays want to do something i said, no, unless we have a permit we

won't do anything >> to have someone in-house in charge of the sound system and volume who's going to manage the equipment we pick >> no. there's nothing going to be that loud in the system right now. we can put anything in which can go that route. >> you have an existing sound system >> yes. it's not a pa system it's like a home stereo system with some macintosh and [inaudible] speakers. because of the jazz back onto idea was to play jazz were some there's no subs. there's no base coming. you guys: i think we have [inaudible] but there's no 20 inch whoppers and we don't intend to the one in >> was going be responsible to make sure the sound is not- >> there's not enough volume to go that high. the system we put in is maxed out at 150 w. that's not even remotely in a pa system. they can go that loud. i mean, at least we did

not have a complaint from anybody. we want to keep the level the people can actually talk to each other so there was a lot of people that i think some of it was a very cozy atmosphere and one of the reasons was we had as background music to entertain people. i think that was the difference before. the previous owner got people in because the nightclub. our idea was to get people and for the year and wine and then have some background music just to have it running, but not to actually entertain them with the music. >> president of comedy is entertainment, right? >> but they just talk. you know. these guys they make jokes. he did yes that's entertainment >> i mean i just have no idea because i didn't think was funny but it's just a. no, they're very nice people. i don't think it's can be that loud. i think the noise complaints as sam told me was because of the 2 a.m. electronic dance music they play. that was just the people upstairs for whatever reason that the tenants actually said on my god don't do that but we

said it's not our focus. we have a totally different idea. >> so, i've more than 150 watts in my house. so just so you know, but if you were soundproofed at all? i mean are you know complains that all? you have not done this yet, right? >> were opened and would play musical we don't play loud music. >> have you got any complaints? >> note >> none whatsoever. do you have any soundproofing? >> the ceiling whatever the soundproofing was before. >> so that doesn't work >> if i can interject, this is 222 height. if you remember- >> yes. nevermind. got it. yes. >> what does that mean? >> i'm not sure what that means but i think >> i will tell you >> this is the [inaudible] we

ashley saw the last permit holder not very long ago. it's very different program than what is being proposed now. that was the place of entertainment [inaudible] i think you're actually asking for the exactly right thing. the limited by permit is in ansley ancillary title permit with the comedy were entertainment, whatever it may be isn't the prime reason people are there. >> yes. i think like i told before i used to be a dj for 15 years and that's probably not designed to be anything. so that's what-there's no point to do anything like that. so, we put like for background speakers in the place and obviously when inspectors show up they can see that but the idea was more, they were more designed for basic even the layout we been exhibiting out and put some seats in there. we put leather couches in. like a lounge, big carpets go people

can just it used to be only a country four and too much echo effect so we put a big person kind of rug on the floor to get rid of that problem the echo effect. that didn't seem to help except [inaudible] because they wanted to put drapes with some kind of special spray >> fire retardant. >> yes >> great. i think events are sufficiently our questions. i do know there's others from commissioners? if not, one of you have ac. one recommendation is, know the painful full person could not come tonight if you can get at e-mail sent to us that that would provide us a little more >> she said it's no problem if it's required and i think she knew exactly what it is and she says he wanted to show up, but again the whole today with a voting and everything >> yes. it's not required but i think it helps your case. thank you. any public comment about this? public comment is closed. commissioners, you have

a motion? >> i motion to approve the permit. [inaudible] >> so you will move to approve the permit with police conditions. item i didn't see any please condition to adjust the good neighbor policy. >> moved and seconded. let's think about >>[roll call vote]. >> the motion passes >>[gavel] >> congratulations. we will onto our next and final permit tonight boxcar theatre.

>> so, final permit for this evening is a place of entertainment for boxcar theater. this is at 644 broadway st. boxcar is a nonprofit performing arts organization. they intend to use the new venue as the new home for the speak easy to identity i support about that before, but that's an immersive theater experience allows audiences to explore replica of the 1920s speakeasy in san francisco. they're really cool idea. the performances are going to include live music, cabaret, vaudeville and much more. the planning department has sent a recommendation and stuck it in there. it's not actually three plunged but i wanted you to see. they approved other entertainment use as permitted by right within this district, but alerts the commission that the components of the bar within the premises is currently awaiting a conditional use authorization hearing before the planning commission. the entertain commission is only proving the use of the entertainment for the space so it should not be a problem. the applicant of the neighborhood is an outreach that you'll see in the files that i've not received any

opposition for this permit application. central station approves of the permit with the applicant's existing safety plan as a condition. as well as having bartenders and or tips train and having camera security footage maintained for at least two weeks. so, this is david back from boxcar theater. >> on the general manager boxcar theater good a professional theater producer did i been managing director the magic figure for five years. i also served as the mayor's arts task force and 25-26. the applicant is nick alabama. he's the founder and artistic director boxcar did he not here tonight because he zero personal. our rehearsal. our plan our private use of the space is two remount our production of the speakeasy. we ran this in 2014 very successfully in a venue and the tenderloin behind golden gate.

we did 75 performances were all sold out. we left that location when the building was sold and or tenancy was terminated. we were very happy and lucky to find the location of north beach. it's a much larger venue and it's a very big step up for boxcar theater, which has been around for 12 years and is performed primarily in 49 seat theaters in soma and the tenderloin. it is now building a 9000 ft.2 venue for 250 people along the north beach chinatown border. the speakeasy is a immersive theater means there's no separation between the audience and the actors. there's no actual stage. you build this theatrical environment. not parties were doing a replica of the speakeasy and we populate the environment with actors. they can be 35 actors in the cast that way people from making 23. so there will were one veterans, there are bootleggers and comment. there's regular

people from the group, to the city for a night on the town. many actors by people like the bartender and the club owner and of the chorus girls in the mc. the evening unfolds. the audience members tend to come dressed in costumes. sorry heavily encouraged and weep with costumes out. in your speakeasy it's often hard to tell who the actors are and who the audience members are until the action unfolds. our format includes--it is a speakeasy so the physical layout includes a bar, backroom casino and cabaret space and cabaret space we do a vaudeville show authentic 1923 vaudeville show. control of west, magician, horace goes, chanteuse, and comedy abbott and costello routines and so on. the event goes from 7:30 am-10:45 pm and

were contemplating subsequent show a late-night show that would go from baby 11:30 pm until 12:45 am. how's that furniture and? >> i want to go. >> it's pretty fun. it's pre-popular >> what is your [inaudible] joe's clock shop?. it's one of the false front business. there's a lot of misdirection involved when you buy a ticket you don't get the address of the theater. we give you a wanted viewpoint reader supposed to meet some addressed certain way. maybe wearing a yellow hat. maybe reading a book of burns: getty rotary that we asked them what's your favorite line from howard something like that. if you're on the list the annual map to the theater and let's say a pocket watch to be repaired. so when you arrive at the theater the façade is not a theater it shows clock shop and you going to talk to joke you cannot pocket watch. he directs you to through the employee entrance,

down the stairs. there is a grandfather clock. google open the rent of the pocket has a false back you step through. 1923 >> i love it. tell me [inaudible] >> family laundry is other false front visit. we are multiple entrances. so the venue has three entrances. this one is the skies is a 1920s chinatown london that pertain almost to where we sit on the borderline to do additional communities. in that entrance you also go down to the service entrance and you come out behind the counter with the employees would be. press the cash register and open the counter and then then you enter the speakeasy >> last questions at the easter egg room. what is that? >> the easter egg room good

it's the show was very heavily scripted. the script actually over 1200 pages and there's seems happening simultaneously in six different parts of the floor plan. but there's also opportunities for audience interaction and one of the flavors is: easter egg room where an audience member will be invited by a actor to go into a private chamber and had a one-on-one encounter. it's not a salacious as it sounded just a monologue where i can than no other discussion back and forth between the actor and the audience member >> may call it an easter egg room because? >> that's a not of the had to computer games and there's some influence on in the gamer community on this theater project and so an easter egg in the computer game is when you stumble upon a hidden treat in the game world that is not open to the general gaming public. >> when are you opening? >> our intentions of our first

performance on august 12 we actually went into her so yesterday was our first rehearsal >> my mother's birthday >> anyway, we just went into rehearsal. the 10 week rehearsal process. were sort of racing the contractors out of there as quickly as we can. so that we can stick with the power schedule and of course were working closely with the many city agencies to get all the permits in place in time for that first performance. >> i wish you the best of luck. it sounds awesome >> thank you >> i went to it in the tenderloin. it's really fun. superfund >> i been some stuff like that, but this sounds like so much fun. >> in fact i should put it my calendar summary. i think i saw these book event and i was like speakeasy tickets go on sale. >> yes are going on sale on

monday. >> monday the 13th >> yes >> is it more than one level? it's not like you're going underground >> yes. so the location is a former new world cinema. at 644 broadway and that's completely subterranean. >> is it immersive we pick >> no. were not on the first floor or any of the other floors. that's other businesses on those were good ours is multilevel but expert level because the movie theater slopes down. and was 20 feet or more of ceiling height with the screen was. >> great. >> is actually gambling in the casino area? >> this fake gaming and the casino edge. we are very strict about conforming to doj requirements. so there's nothing you can't win a free drink coupons or a free ticket or even a teacher. there is nothing. you just play for

bragging rights we give you [inaudible] at the end of the night. >> what is the status of the planning commission and the conditional use? >> are hearing is set for july 28. we've been encouraged by the planner, my understanding is that theater bar is using a permitted access radius wherever a theater is permit but there's restrictions that no alcohol sales can be allowed as an accessory use. so, we been required to get a conditional use permit to open the theater bar, but they lead me to believe the planning department leads me to believe that should be a formality. >> okay, good luck >> thank you >> will people be able to drink while walking around? >> yes. we have two bars in the

9000 square-foot floor plan and we also table service. it's part of the-is very much a theater event also was a bit of of your nightlife event. >> that's great. any other questions or thoughts? i'm really excited about is the only other immersive theater extends that was in new york with the no more and that was amazing could i said likely have something like this in san francisco. i'm glad people say arts is dying in san francisco and the scene is dying, is the current attack wasteland, i'm glad you guys are here to fight against that >> i'm glad you mentioned that. it's not just us but the building owners, the bank, there's a whole bunch of institutions behind us who feel the way you do. they want to do-go put aside business as usual and make sure that

[inaudible]. we have a 10 year lease a meal to be there for a long long time. >> that is awesome. so, good luck to you. i don't there's other comes of questions? how much? >> how much are tickets? $100. it's a big >> comedy cast we pick >> it's 35 actors and then seven musicians and there's the gaming cable operators and the cocktail staff and all in all it 75 people on staff to produce one show including the required three security personnel. so, the costs are not insubstantial >> and you said the current 732- >> it's 1045 three point 3.25 hours. 35 actors, $100, a deal. i just came from new york. let me tell you, theater tickets are like-[inaudible] that's

great. >> thank you. >> all right. i don't know there's any public comments. there's not a crowd behind you but with open up for public comments. >> choice of them? >> yes. thank you so much. public comment is now closed. commissioners >> i moved to approve >> >> moved and seconded. great. let's take a vote. >> with police conditions. >> i do not look at the police conditions. i'm sorry. i was just so excited about the whole thing. where are the police conditions >> looks like security cameras to the main maintain for two weeks. >> yes, okay. >> these the same safety plan, sorry. >> yes, that's fine >> so there's a motion with

police conditions for approval. if the second? >> moved and seconded. same house, same call that means the motion passes. good luck. hope to see you there. we have a few more things to cover. one main thing to item number six and appointment of alternate member to the residential moment review committee. when we first appointed or when i first appointed to members to the committee it had been successful so far but we've actually had some attendance challenges at times. it sort of got a lot were delayed. we would like to will forward get a special because the timing of things planning commission might be hearing it like

immediately following after the meeting that we have. so, with that said, we talked to the city attorney, or staff out of his 30 attorney to figure out how to handle the situation. should we-the bottom line was we could appoint an alternate to attend only in the absence of one of our members. so, they would not be there >> [inaudible] >> one of our members. so, that the person could attend it to other committee members were there. do you have more to say? >> no. >> okay. that's the bottom wanted we briefly just one of really help with the applications along and really backlog it. i've already discussed it with commissioner thomas to see if she would be willing to join as an alternate command she has agreed. so, i believe a motion is in order to approve that nomination. so, is

there any discussion or questions before we do that? commissioner, questions, thoughts? with the commotion them. >> i moved to approve and appoint-to approve the women of commissioner thomas as an alternate to rvr. >> residential development review committee. second? >> moved and seconded. any public comment? good question. you'll be a one-year term i think the same term as all the rest of the members. starting as soon as we vote. it would expire i think the same term as the other committee members. >> i have to go back and look

whether you did put a term on this as a committee because typically these were-we don't sort of ad hoc standing committees until the president determine it was not necessary. so may not have a term adult to be honest with you. i have to go back and look at the original motion. i just don't remember. so, i eight- >> let's take about. >>[roll call vote]. >> without the motion passes. thank you for stepping up into that wool commissioner thomas. we will move on to item number seven commissioner comments and questions. i think there is one burning coming to my left we pick

>> yes. i would like to move to close today's meeting in honor of princesses birthday june 7, 2016. >> may he rest in peace. other commissioner comments or questions? >> also to say we approve-we love our commission secretariat, crystal stewart. >> yes. commissioner perez >> it anybody watching please vote. still time. please vote. >> 31 min. >> all right. any public comment on a commissioner comments? i don't see any public comment is closed. finally, were down to new business items for future agenda. anything? none. great.

with that, this meeting is adjourned at 6:30 pm. thank you very much for watching. >>[adjournment] >>[gavel] >>[adjournment]

>> good afternoon and welcome to the local agency formation commission of san francisco board of supervisors. today is may 20, 2016. this is john avalos, joined by cynthia crews and david campos. todays clerk is alisa samara. >> silence cell phones and electroning devices. speaker cards should be submit today the clerk. >> like to announce and thank sfgtv

staff broadcasting the meeting, jim smith and phil jackson. we don't have to do roll call, right? >> no, you stated who is here. >> we are here accept for commissioner mar. do we need a motion to excuse commissioner mar? motion by commissioner crews and seconded by commissioner com pose >> iletm 2 approval the lafco minutes from april 22, regular meeting. >> any changes or comments on the minutes? seeing none we'll knose to public comment. we'll close public comment and motion-- commissioner crews to approve the minutes and second and take that without obio